CEO Ken Choo:”We can’t continue to spend in the Championship

If he had a brain they could blow the championship away : Tan don’t even visit the club anymore- : No exposure for Malaysian government - if we had a big club in the FA Cup at home half the Malaysian government would be in the stands : any serious owners would be in the mix with his players and fans on a regular basis - he as no relation with the fans - all their comments and excuses shound like a scratched record

Exactly Mallo

we have either been having premiership money or parachute payments for 7 years now and all we hear is paying debts off..
I don't get it mate...
the year we went up we lost 38 million. yet had a squad absolutely nobody fancied to go up. there were no hasselbanks, fowlers or bellamys..it was halford and Bryson... so if we are losing 38 mill with parachute payments how do the likes of leeds and derby manage without them ..?
ive always gone along with this debt thing but this from Choo is crap.

Debts which the current regime have made themselves and for me the original debt should of been cleared at least after 5yrs, it’s now 10 yrs and that’s all we ever hear we all clearing our debts.

Yet we have received 100’s of £millions, then people say they are running the club well, they are the ones creating the debts, the famous so called committee.

We were losing well over 12 million a year before he came in with no way of paying any of the debt to pmg or langstone back ,weve had definitely the most successful period in our history under tan ,last season it looks like we will make a profit but still you moan ,it looks like you are just holding a grudge over the rebrand

Think they’ve overspent on the infrastructure of the club with not much to show in terms of development and youth as we don’t seem to be bringing anybody through the ranks anymore, apart from 1 or 2 young names on the bench this season (Nelson mainly) the last “youngster” to come through the development squad was a certain No.8 Joe Ralls......

All well and good having the training facilities etc but we also need a thriving line into the club for youth and a match day 18 that can score goals and win games.... at the moment we have neither and are riding on the edge of our seats. Honestly can not see us getting into the play offs this season, we will finish somewhere between 8th and 14th.

Harris is the wrong manager to take us forward, he seems to have a Russel Slade style job to do, that’s my opinion, can’t see him getting a lot out of the club in the summer and next season is going to be a mirror image of this season, looks like we have been setting up for a drop to L1 for a while and that’s the way we are currently heading if Tan doesn’t start authorising a few decent players to help us push onwards

Think they’ve overspent on the infrastructure of the club with not much to show in terms of development and youth as we don’t seem to be bringing anybody through the ranks anymore, apart from 1 or 2 young names on the bench this season (Nelson mainly) the last “youngster” to come through the development squad was a certain No.8 Joe Ralls......

All well and good having the training facilities etc but we also need a thriving line into the club for youth and a match day 18 that can score goals and win games.... at the moment we have neither and are riding on the edge of our seats. Honestly can not see us getting into the play offs this season, we will finish somewhere between 8th and 14th.

Harris is the wrong manager to take us forward, he seems to have a Russel Slade style job to do, that’s my opinion, can’t see him getting a lot out of the club in the summer and next season is going to be a mirror image of this season, looks like we have been setting up for a drop to L1 for a while and that’s the way we are currently heading if Tan doesn’t start authorising a few decent players to help us push onwards

The under 18s of the academy now were under 8s when tan came in ,it takes time to bring players through it's not a quick process ,at every level in the academy we are competitive hopefully we will bring a few players through

Think they’ve overspent on the infrastructure of the club with not much to show in terms of development and youth as we don’t seem to be bringing anybody through the ranks anymore, apart from 1 or 2 young names on the bench this season (Nelson mainly) the last “youngster” to come through the development squad was a certain No.8 Joe Ralls......

All well and good having the training facilities etc but we also need a thriving line into the club for youth and a match day 18 that can score goals and win games.... at the moment we have neither and are riding on the edge of our seats. Honestly can not see us getting into the play offs this season, we will finish somewhere between 8th and 14th.

Harris is the wrong manager to take us forward, he seems to have a Russel Slade style job to do, that’s my opinion, can’t see him getting a lot out of the club in the summer and next season is going to be a mirror image of this season, looks like we have been setting up for a drop to L1 for a while and that’s the way we are currently heading if Tan doesn’t start authorising a few decent players to help us push onwards

The under 18s of the academy now were under 8s when tan came in ,it takes time to bring players through it's not a quick process ,at every level in the academy we are competitive hopefully we will bring a few players through

I understand that but in 10 years we’ve had a handful come through, well saying that Joe came through the season after the PL in red, and now Nelson so in what 7 years we’ve produced 2 players now that is worrying (and I’m not counting Rabbi Matondo in this as he was snatched up by Man City we should have kept hold of him)

Think they’ve overspent on the infrastructure of the club with not much to show in terms of development and youth as we don’t seem to be bringing anybody through the ranks anymore, apart from 1 or 2 young names on the bench this season (Nelson mainly) the last “youngster” to come through the development squad was a certain No.8 Joe Ralls......

All well and good having the training facilities etc but we also need a thriving line into the club for youth and a match day 18 that can score goals and win games.... at the moment we have neither and are riding on the edge of our seats. Honestly can not see us getting into the play offs this season, we will finish somewhere between 8th and 14th.

Harris is the wrong manager to take us forward, he seems to have a Russel Slade style job to do, that’s my opinion, can’t see him getting a lot out of the club in the summer and next season is going to be a mirror image of this season, looks like we have been setting up for a drop to L1 for a while and that’s the way we are currently heading if Tan doesn’t start authorising a few decent players to help us push onwards

The under 18s of the academy now were under 8s when tan came in ,it takes time to bring players through it's not a quick process ,at every level in the academy we are competitive hopefully we will bring a few players through

I understand that but in 10 years we’ve had a handful come through, well saying that Joe came through the season after the PL in red, and now Nelson so in what 7 years we’ve produced 2 players now that is worrying (and I’m not counting Rabbi Matondo in this as he was snatched up by Man City we should have kept hold of him)

Curtis Nelson signed from Oxford and is 26 mate and Ralls was signed from Farnborough at 17 and had made his 1st team debut within a month so not really a product of our academy..

Our ACCADEMY in the last 10 years had produced virtually nothing, we have had three clear outs and still achieved nothing.

DVP get poor results as well.

Think they’ve overspent on the infrastructure of the club with not much to show in terms of development and youth as we don’t seem to be bringing anybody through the ranks anymore, apart from 1 or 2 young names on the bench this season (Nelson mainly) the last “youngster” to come through the development squad was a certain No.8 Joe Ralls......

All well and good having the training facilities etc but we also need a thriving line into the club for youth and a match day 18 that can score goals and win games.... at the moment we have neither and are riding on the edge of our seats. Honestly can not see us getting into the play offs this season, we will finish somewhere between 8th and 14th.

Harris is the wrong manager to take us forward, he seems to have a Russel Slade style job to do, that’s my opinion, can’t see him getting a lot out of the club in the summer and next season is going to be a mirror image of this season, looks like we have been setting up for a drop to L1 for a while and that’s the way we are currently heading if Tan doesn’t start authorising a few decent players to help us push onwards

The under 18s of the academy now were under 8s when tan came in ,it takes time to bring players through it's not a quick process ,at every level in the academy we are competitive hopefully we will bring a few players through

clubs including ours have produced players forever and a day whether they train on dog shit park or are molly coddled in state of the art facilities... the main ingredient for a successful youth system is talented kids..
I agree with Snoopy.. and what happens to all these facilities if Tan leaves and we drop a division.. same as Swansea mate who are trying to sell Landore after spending a fortune there..lots of call to be buying training facitities in jackland its going to end up being a drop in centre..

Think they’ve overspent on the infrastructure of the club with not much to show in terms of development and youth as we don’t seem to be bringing anybody through the ranks anymore, apart from 1 or 2 young names on the bench this season (Nelson mainly) the last “youngster” to come through the development squad was a certain No.8 Joe Ralls......

All well and good having the training facilities etc but we also need a thriving line into the club for youth and a match day 18 that can score goals and win games.... at the moment we have neither and are riding on the edge of our seats. Honestly can not see us getting into the play offs this season, we will finish somewhere between 8th and 14th.

Harris is the wrong manager to take us forward, he seems to have a Russel Slade style job to do, that’s my opinion, can’t see him getting a lot out of the club in the summer and next season is going to be a mirror image of this season, looks like we have been setting up for a drop to L1 for a while and that’s the way we are currently heading if Tan doesn’t start authorising a few decent players to help us push onwards

The under 18s of the academy now were under 8s when tan came in ,it takes time to bring players through it's not a quick process ,at every level in the academy we are competitive hopefully we will bring a few players through

Wez, the ACCADEMY when Tan took over was at its best ever and had great players in all the age groups .
In the last 10 years we lost many to Bristol City, Swansea. Even Newport and many just faded by the way side as we kept clearing coaches out.
I knew two main coaches and 6yrs ago they told me then the ACCADEMY had been run down and many kids were just lost by the way side.

The proof is there produced nothing for 10yrs.

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Have to agree, but can anyone in the club identify these players?
DJ and Risdale certainly did know, or had the contacts.

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Think they’ve overspent on the infrastructure of the club with not much to show in terms of development and youth as we don’t seem to be bringing anybody through the ranks anymore, apart from 1 or 2 young names on the bench this season (Nelson mainly) the last “youngster” to come through the development squad was a certain No.8 Joe Ralls......

All well and good having the training facilities etc but we also need a thriving line into the club for youth and a match day 18 that can score goals and win games.... at the moment we have neither and are riding on the edge of our seats. Honestly can not see us getting into the play offs this season, we will finish somewhere between 8th and 14th.

Harris is the wrong manager to take us forward, he seems to have a Russel Slade style job to do, that’s my opinion, can’t see him getting a lot out of the club in the summer and next season is going to be a mirror image of this season, looks like we have been setting up for a drop to L1 for a while and that’s the way we are currently heading if Tan doesn’t start authorising a few decent players to help us push onwards

The under 18s of the academy now were under 8s when tan came in ,it takes time to bring players through it's not a quick process ,at every level in the academy we are competitive hopefully we will bring a few players through

Wez, the ACCADEMY when Tan took over was at its best ever and had great players in all the age groups .
In the last 10 years we lost many to Bristol City, Swansea. Even Newport and many just faded by the way side as we kept clearing coaches out.
I knew two main coaches and 6yrs ago they told me then the ACCADEMY had been run down and many kids were just lost by the way side.

The proof is there produced nothing for 10yrs.

I dont agree with you ,the academy has got good players all the way through at the moment ,if the academy was so good in 2010 when tan bought us why havnt any of the the youngsters come through since ? Apart from motodo? Also the facilities are 100% better now than they've every been ,better pitches ,better changing facilities ,its not a quick process bringing them though as I've said in another post the under 8s are now the under 18s when tan took over ,if we get a couple of players in the next 2 years coming through it will mean tan and the club have done there job ?

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

"Edited" promotion was the thing we wanted because we hadnt experiencd it. i think most fans now will all agree that the exciting thing is chasing promotion, rather than getting in the premier league. and after years of absolute dog shite football, we would all love to see some excitement again like the days of DJ

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

"Edited" promotion was the thing we wanted because we hadnt experiencd it. i think most fans now will all agree that the exciting thing is chasing promotion, rather than getting in the premier league. and after years of absolute dog shite football, we would all love to see some excitement again like the days of DJ

Agree about jones ,its was time for him to go but seeing as malky had money I think dave jones would have done brilliant with it

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

Its all very well being “ambitious” but by the sounds of it most people think that’s chucking money at the problem. Yes some clubs have done it and its worked (for now) but there are many many that have done so and failed. I guess Fulham would seem more ambitious than us but what happens in a year or two years, is chucking money at it sustainable especially if they don’t go up.

Personally I would rather we were made self sufficient, yes most teams need a little helping hand from time to time from the owner but not to a stupid extent that it cant be controlled. It wasn’t that long ago we wouldn’t go a month without another winding up order from companies or owed or former owners that wanted their money back.

Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Birmingham, Derby are all teams who have got themselves into trouble for reckless spending. Villa will be added to that list if they don’t survive this season in the Premier League.

I’m glad that the club is being managed sensibly for once.

I’d be quite happy if we were finally debt free and worked on our youth policy. I dont think Warnock spent 100 million either, possibly 60 and almost half of that has come back at a guess? Also, 180 million from sky alone, 30,000 crowds average last year and 23,000 the year before. Surely that’s decent revenue.

Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Birmingham, Derby are all teams who have got themselves into trouble for reckless spending. Villa will be added to that list if they don’t survive this season in the Premier League.

I’m glad that the club is being managed sensibly for once.

I’d be quite happy if we were finally debt free and worked on our youth policy. I dont think Warnock spent 100 million either, possibly 60 and almost half of that has come back at a guess? Also, 180 million from sky alone, 30,000 crowds average last year and 23,000 the year before. Surely that’s decent revenue.

No but we made a huge loss the season we went up (as do most clubs because of bonuses). I think the general idea/hope is that last season we made a decent profit but it has to be sustainable otherwise whats the point.

Surely those who don't like Tan and have digs at him at every opportunity want the debt to come down and us to have a sustainable wage bill so we don't need to rely on him for money every month

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

Bobby Reid sold for £11mill do you can wipe him out.
Plus we still have many of these players.


Neil Warnock earned promotion in 2nd season and earned £160mill min end off

6 yrs DJ achieved nothing.

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

Bobby Reid sold for £11mill do you can wipe him out.
Plus we still have many of these players.


Neil Warnock earned promotion in 2nd season and earned £160mill min end off

6 yrs DJ notjing.

so i am a bit confused annis, is your arguement then, you have to spend big money, to achieve promotion ?

Edited : he earned £160m Min, but then the CEO has come out and said we cannot afford to keep spending ? so where has the money NW earned gone

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

Bobby Reid sold for £11mill do you can wipe him out.
Plus we still have many of these players.


Neil Warnock earned promotion in 2nd season and earned £160mill min end off

6 yrs DJ notjing.

so i am a bit confused annis, is your arguement then, you have to spend big money, to achieve promotion ?

Edited : he earned £160m Min, but then the CEO has come out and said we cannot afford to keep spending ? so where has the money NW earned gone

Wages the season we went up and in the premiership ,promotion bonus 25m, higher costs ,and transfers probably might have got 160 turnover but costs are massive

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

Bobby Reid sold for £11mill do you can wipe him out.
Plus we still have many of these players.


Neil Warnock earned promotion in 2nd season and earned £160mill min end off

6 yrs DJ notjing.

so i am a bit confused annis, is your arguement then, you have to spend big money, to achieve promotion ?

Edited : he earned £160m Min, but then the CEO has come out and said we cannot afford to keep spending ? so where has the money NW earned gone

Wages the season we went up and in the premiership ,promotion bonus 25m, higher costs ,and transfers probably might have got 160 turnover but costs are massive

Wez
The agenda benders are out in force again
God knows why they dont understand about costs etc
Just take ried ascan example
Bought for alledgedly £ 10 million + costs agents solicitors medicals etc
Plus wages
Sold for alledgedly £11/10 million + costs agents solicitors etc
Yet some on here question what weve done/ doing with the mo ey we got for ried from fulham
Ffs if those who want to know exactly how the club has been spending
Without guessing or making inacurate comments read our bone fide accounts

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

yes ive seen the list a hundred times, never ceases to amaze me that we have fans that actually think those fees are throwing money around or over spending for a club that got promoted and played in the premier league and are now shocked we are not top of the lge.
its like people have blinkers on over blindfolds and ear muffs over cotton buds and have not the slightest inclination of what other clubs have spent.... throwing money..?
well you know what mate. we aint ever going up again unless the budget is one hell of a lot more than your throwing money.. try taking a look at the fees and loans Wolves and Fulham paid out, 2 clubs that were in our division in 16/17.. got promoted with us 17/18 and were in the prem with us 18 /19... its THE reason no pundits/bookmakers fancied us to go up, stay up or be favs to go up this year... real quality costs more..you don't get trevor francis for 1 million anymore and fruit salad are not 4 for a penny either.,

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

Bobby Reid sold for £11mill do you can wipe him out.
Plus we still have many of these players.


Neil Warnock earned promotion in 2nd season and earned £160mill min end off

6 yrs DJ notjing.

so i am a bit confused annis, is your arguement then, you have to spend big money, to achieve promotion ?

Edited : he earned £160m Min, but then the CEO has come out and said we cannot afford to keep spending ? so where has the money NW earned gone

Wages the season we went up and in the premiership ,promotion bonus 25m, higher costs ,and transfers probably might have got 160 turnover but costs are massive

Wez
The agenda benders are out in force again
God knows why they dont understand about costs etc
Just take ried ascan example
Bought for alledgedly £ 10 million + costs agents solicitors medicals etc
Plus wages
Sold for alledgedly £11/10 million + costs agents solicitors etc
Yet some on here question what weve done/ doing with the mo ey we got for ried from fulham
Ffs if those who want to know exactly how the club has been spending
Without guessing or making inacurate comments read our bone fide accounts

the bona fide accounts that have a value for stadium we can not sell for any purpose we choose and due to that is not saleable as a stadium ? and player values that are guesses..im sure Madine, Peltier and Bogle all had values for the paper pushers but ultimately went for zero ?

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

yes ive seen the list a hundred times, never ceases to amaze me that we have fans that actually think those fees are throwing money around or over spending for a club that got promoted and played in the premier league and are now shocked we are not top of the lge.
its like people have blinkers on over blindfolds and ear muffs over cotton buds and have not the slightest inclination of what other clubs have spent.... throwing money..?
well you know what mate. we aint ever going up again unless the budget is one hell of a lot more than your throwing money.. try taking a look at the fees and loans Wolves and Fulham paid out, 2 clubs that were in our division in 16/17.. got promoted with us 17/18 and were in the prem with us 18 /19... its THE reason no pundits/bookmakers fancied us to go up, stay up or be favs to go up this year... real quality costs more..you don't get trevor francis for 1 million anymore and fruit salad are not 4 for a penny either.,

Its not just fees either
Running costs are massive
Transport alone must run into £10s of millions

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

Bobby Reid sold for £11mill do you can wipe him out.
Plus we still have many of these players.


Neil Warnock earned promotion in 2nd season and earned £160mill min end off

6 yrs DJ notjing.

so i am a bit confused annis, is your arguement then, you have to spend big money, to achieve promotion ?

Edited : he earned £160m Min, but then the CEO has come out and said we cannot afford to keep spending ? so where has the money NW earned gone

Wages the season we went up and in the premiership ,promotion bonus 25m, higher costs ,and transfers probably might have got 160 turnover but costs are massive

Wez
The agenda benders are out in force again
God knows why they dont understand about costs etc
Just take ried ascan example
Bought for alledgedly £ 10 million + costs agents solicitors medicals etc
Plus wages
Sold for alledgedly £11/10 million + costs agents solicitors etc
Yet some on here question what weve done/ doing with the mo ey we got for ried from fulham
Ffs if those who want to know exactly how the club has been spending
Without guessing or making inacurate comments read our bone fide accounts

The average football fan is not too interested in the costs involved in running a club, and doesn't really look much further than the end of the current season. Those running the club are looking at long term sustainability, not just until May this year. There is far more expense involved than just the purchase price of players. Wages are nearly always the biggest drain on any company's resources. Be interesting to see the next lot of published accounts. I have a feeling they won't be anywhere near as rosy as some fans anticipate.

I will answer this straight to Tans biggest fans.

The debts our club had went up four times under Tan and the facts are there .

All these debts which everyone keeps saying yes we need to bring them down were caused by Tan and Co.

We have had 6 CEO’s & 9 managers in 10years under Tan.

Our debt Tan inherited from the Riddler was around £50mill and under Tan in his own words rose to £200 mill, terrible management of our club to let it get out of control .

Manager after manager was blamed and CEO. But for me the buck stops at the Top.

We had the famous Committee and guess what managers are still blamed , you could not make it up.

Our club under Tan has been to taken to court or threatened with action and we have either lost or given on 5 times at massive costs.

I won’t even discuss the despicable Red in how much that cost us.

The truth hurts , but there it is and once again we discussing this all again through bad management and guess who stool runs our club.

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

Bobby Reid sold for £11mill do you can wipe him out.
Plus we still have many of these players.


Neil Warnock earned promotion in 2nd season and earned £160mill min end off

6 yrs DJ notjing.

so i am a bit confused annis, is your arguement then, you have to spend big money, to achieve promotion ?

Edited : he earned £160m Min, but then the CEO has come out and said we cannot afford to keep spending ? so where has the money NW earned gone

Wages the season we went up and in the premiership ,promotion bonus 25m, higher costs ,and transfers probably might have got 160 turnover but costs are massive

Wez
The agenda benders are out in force again
God knows why they dont understand about costs etc
Just take ried ascan example
Bought for alledgedly £ 10 million + costs agents solicitors medicals etc
Plus wages
Sold for alledgedly £11/10 million + costs agents solicitors etc
Yet some on here question what weve done/ doing with the mo ey we got for ried from fulham
Ffs if those who want to know exactly how the club has been spending
Without guessing or making inacurate comments read our bone fide accounts

the bona fide accounts that have a value for stadium we can not sell for any purpose we choose and due to that is not saleable as a stadium ? and player values that are guesses..im sure Madine, Peltier and Bogle all had values for the paper pushers but ultimately went for zero ?

Total crap reply missing the point
The accounts show alll the figures the majority of fans on here either purposly ignore or dont realise they exist
Transport . Kit.food.training facilities .stadium maintenance/repairs
Laundry fitness coaches , analyts, media, ticket office, merchandise ,
Gas, electric , water, council taxes , security, insurances ,stewarding
And many more
The stadium value is probably not a value for a sale but what rent could be worth ??

this idea the squad needs "serious investment" always confuses me, because i always assume people mean "spending money" to improve it. at the moment i would say we have one of the highest paid teams in the league. we could and should be getting rid of deadwood like Jazz back last summer and not extending his contract. plenty of teams are built on free transfers and loans, DJ used to do it for us for years, there is always quality out there, its all about finding the talent and paying the right money

Dave Jones brought all the big names in on high wages, but after 6yrs No promotions, so the debt for higher as we had no returns, plus as I say what really mattered to our fans was promotion and he failed.

Mcnaughton, Rae, Purse, Rog, Loovens, Chopra (first time), Burke, Whitts, (brought Rambo through)
thats just a few

he did that, while year after year, he had to sell our best player, he had the most exciting football i can remember.

NW came in, threw big wages and big transfer fees around and we're are a shambles at the moment. if DJ won that play off final, he would of gone down as our best manager amongst a load of fans.

threw big money....that's a joke surely ?
we signed 2 players that had been without a club for months ,loaned a keeper and signed Greg Halford in his 1st season and dragged us up to 12th and 62 points...
I agree with all of what you said about DJ ,he arrived here having not long lost kav, Collins, gabbidon, mcanuff, langly vidmar and more

i don't mean in his first season with regards to transfers, although £6m for Madine is still an absolute joke. although his first season, he spent a few Mil on Tomlin, (although now he is coming good) but he must of spent a fair few bob on wages.

in regards to threw money i mean, the last two years, look at the money he spent and what we got in return, (all the transfer fee's are rumoured and reported, but might not be accurate)

£6m - Flint
£4m - Smithies (when a decent back up would of been fine, he bought a number 1)
£4m - Cunningham
£4m - Pack
£10m - Reid
£10m - Murphy
£6m - Glatzel
£4m - Baccuna
£2m - Vaulks
£3m - Vassel
£1m - Bogle.

now annis argument was, DJ brought big names in on big wages and had no returns. i look at that and ask, what about NW, surely thats alot worse than DJ, i know he won us promotion. but my arguement is, you dont to spend money to find quality, you can do it on the cheap. and i used DJ as proof that it could be done, and has been done at the club

Bobby Reid sold for £11mill do you can wipe him out.
Plus we still have many of these players.


Neil Warnock earned promotion in 2nd season and earned £160mill min end off

6 yrs DJ won nothing.

so i am a bit confused annis, is your arguement then, you have to spend big money, to achieve promotion ?

Edited : he earned £160m Min, but then the CEO has come out and said we cannot afford to keep spending ? so where has the money NW earned gone

Not at all.

It’s about the right managers.

DJ’ spent big on signing on fees and massive wages and we won nothing in 6 yrs.

Malky and Warnock were allowed to buy players, but were the n my opinion and their records show better than Tans other 7 managers as they won promotions/trophies.

The facts are there our club received £160 mill in Oct from Tv/Sky/Prem/ Parachute payment.
Our losses are due to how our club is run in general and that for me is bad management at the Top.


We keep hearing every 2 yrs we need to calm down and run our club properly well then after 10yrs surely we should be not having to say this yet again.