Have a day off for gods sake

Pembroke why don’t you take a day off. How on earth do you know that Klopp wouldn’t get that extra % out of this squad and actually develop some of them I.e robertson, Alexander Arnold or Pep, Sir Alex, Mourinho. Do you really think they would have the same affect on the player as ex-Millwall gaffer Harris?

The fact is you don’t know but keep ramming the same rhetoric down people’s throats.

Most of us have no idea of the full facts of any subject. What we post is our opinions, sometimes those opinions are backed with evidence but generally they are not.

Pembroke Allan is posting his 'opinion' which he is perfectly entitled to do so and he should take no notice of your pathetic attempt to silence him by using the age old 'you don't know' slur.

Instead if you think he is wrong then make an intelligent counter argument which avoids personal slurs.

Healthy debates are always good and difference of opinions are what’s makes football.

If you look at this message since the start of the season the clue is in the threads started. There has been numerous threads on this player shit this player shit going through nearly all of the team so what is that telling you, whilst you say the manager is shit maybe just maybe he has inherited a pile of shit.

Give NH a chance he is here to stay - give him a summer transfer window and a pre season and you might be surprised,

Spot on fella

I didn't want Harris either but in 12 league games he's only lost f*cking 2.

4 wins, 6 draws, 2 defeats.

7 of those 12 games away from the home against teams who were at the time doing well in the League.

Things could be a lot worse, it's a tight division, 5 points off the play offs with with 54 points to play for. Turn a few of those draws in to wins and we won't be far off top 6.

Stop being so self entitles and spoilt, we are Cardiff City not Real Madrid.

Agree with a lot of these points. We are not good but not completely awful. We are around where we have been the last 4 or 5 years even with promotion and prem season. We were still around the quality of a mod table championship team.

I didn't want Harris either but in 12 league games he's only lost f*cking 2.

4 wins, 6 draws, 2 defeats.

7 of those 12 games away from the home against teams who were at the time doing well in the League.

Things could be a lot worse, it's a tight division, 5 points off the play offs with with 54 points to play for. Turn a few of those draws in to wins and we won't be far off top 6.

Stop being so self entitles and spoilt, we are Cardiff City not Real Madrid.

Bravo sir, I support your every word.

Pembroke why don’t you take a day off. How on earth do you know that Klopp wouldn’t get that extra % out of this squad and actually develop some of them I.e robertson, Alexander Arnold or Pep, Sir Alex, Mourinho. Do you really think they would have the same affect on the player as ex-Millwall gaffer Harris?

The fact is you don’t know but keep ramming the same rhetoric down people’s throats.

Most of us have no idea of the full facts of any subject. What we post is our opinions, sometimes those opinions are backed with evidence but generally they are not.

Pembroke Allan is posting his 'opinion' which he is perfectly entitled to do so and he should take no notice of your pathetic attempt to silence him by using the age old 'you don't know' slur.

Instead if you think he is wrong then make an intelligent counter argument which avoids personal slurs.

I'm not bothered by his comments considering what he posts but seeing as I'm not only one who have said similar things his opinion should be directed at the forum posters aswell! Anyway like roathy he's a waste of space getting into debate with him .....

Healthy debates are always good and difference of opinions are what’s makes football.

If you look at this message since the start of the season the clue is in the threads started. There has been numerous threads on this player shit this player shit going through nearly all of the team so what is that telling you, whilst you say the manager is shit maybe just maybe he has inherited a pile of shit.

Give NH a chance he is here to stay - give him a summer transfer window and a pre season and you might be surprised,

the trouble with this is you can go back further.. all our players have been getting slaughtered for years..
people expect 4mill players to be as good as 10 mill players. infact general expectations are way too high full stop.
the owner isn't giving it a go { I have no issue with that } he didn't the year we went up.. didn't in the prem and is not now. that's not either managers fault and certainly not a players fault for not being a better more expensive player and only being what he is.

Healthy debates are always good and difference of opinions are what’s makes football.

If you look at this message since the start of the season the clue is in the threads started. There has been numerous threads on this player shit this player shit going through nearly all of the team so what is that telling you, whilst you say the manager is shit maybe just maybe he has inherited a pile of shit.

Give NH a chance he is here to stay - give him a summer transfer window and a pre season and you might be surprised,

the trouble with this is you can go back further.. all our players have been getting slaughtered for years..
people expect 4mill players to be as good as 10 mill players. infact general expectations are way too high full stop.
the owner isn't giving it a go { I have no issue with that } he didn't the year we went up.. didn't in the prem and is not now. that's not either managers fault and certainly not a players fault for not being a better more expensive player and only being what he is.

I agree mate.
To be fair to the owner, he said he was no longer going to have a go since he turned us back to blue. As you, I have absolutely no issue with that and I’m grateful he’s working to clear our debt.
I remember when VT stated all of this when turning us back to blue and many many fans said that was fine as they’d prefer to be blue in league 2 etc etc.
We’re doing ok imo. I’ll continue to get a ST and support the team what ever happens and I do agree that ALL opinions are welcome here.

Healthy debates are always good and difference of opinions are what’s makes football.

If you look at this message since the start of the season the clue is in the threads started. There has been numerous threads on this player shit this player shit going through nearly all of the team so what is that telling you, whilst you say the manager is shit maybe just maybe he has inherited a pile of shit.

Give NH a chance he is here to stay - give him a summer transfer window and a pre season and you might be surprised,

the trouble with this is you can go back further.. all our players have been getting slaughtered for years..
people expect 4mill players to be as good as 10 mill players. infact general expectations are way too high full stop.
the owner isn't giving it a go { I have no issue with that } he didn't the year we went up.. didn't in the prem and is not now. that's not either managers fault and certainly not a players fault for not being a better more expensive player and only being what he is.

We are obviously treading water until either the summer when you hope tan will give funds to get players in or will tan sell up now debt is apparently quite low ? One thing is certain us fans like it or not are not going to see much change in things simply because it looks as if some players are not good enough and to many are of similar type so impossible to dramatically change tactics from NW time here.

Healthy debates are always good and difference of opinions are what’s makes football.

If you look at this message since the start of the season the clue is in the threads started. There has been numerous threads on this player shit this player shit going through nearly all of the team so what is that telling you, whilst you say the manager is shit maybe just maybe he has inherited a pile of shit.

Give NH a chance he is here to stay - give him a summer transfer window and a pre season and you might be surprised,

the trouble with this is you can go back further.. all our players have been getting slaughtered for years..
people expect 4mill players to be as good as 10 mill players. infact general expectations are way too high full stop.
the owner isn't giving it a go { I have no issue with that } he didn't the year we went up.. didn't in the prem and is not now. that's not either managers fault and certainly not a players fault for not being a better more expensive player and only being what he is.

I agree mate.
To be fair to the owner, he said he was no longer going to have a go since he turned us back to blue. As you, I have absolutely no issue with that and I’m grateful he’s working to clear our debt.
I remember when VT stated all of this when turning us back to blue and many many fans said that was fine as they’d prefer to be blue in league 2 etc etc.
We’re doing ok imo. I’ll continue to get a ST and support the team what ever happens and I do agree that ALL opinions are welcome here.

All good valid points - yes I mentioned the blue in league two - problem is our fans want it all ways and we can’t. Accept what we have get behind the players and the manager and see where we end up.

There are clubs far worse than us and could end up going out of business it is not so long ago we were on the brink

The players do not want to play the NH way, quite apparent that a change to direct NW way at half time produced a much better 2nd half.
One way or another it is reaching breaking point, fans are fed up of watching the insipid performances.
An absent owner a chairman looking to buy another club, all is not well believe me.
We need a manager who can unite the club just like NW when he arrived, I have as much faith in NH as I did in Trollope, he is totally the wrong fit for our club.

The players do not want to play the NH way, quite apparent that a change to direct NW way at half time produced a much better 2nd half.
One way or another it is reaching breaking point, fans are fed up of watching the insipid performances.
An absent owner a chairman looking to buy another club, all is not well believe me.
We need a manager who can unite the club just like NW when he arrived, I have as much faith in NH as I did in Trollope, he is totally the wrong fit for our club.

don't know how long you've been going ..but this club used to be support the club 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th etc etc… be concerned about results was about 50th..be concerned about results when you've lost 2 in 14 there isn't a big enough number on the list for that... breaking point..? if this is breaking point i passed it 40 years ago..

Aug this year city will have done 100 years in the football league.I come on board in 1975. To me we generally bump along in the second tier(as the amount of seasons played at this level testify).therefore Harris is a traditional Cardiff manager who will keep us bumping along.

Aug this year city will have done 100 years in the football league.I come on board in 1975. To me we generally bump along in the second tier(as the amount of seasons played at this level testify).therefore Harris is a traditional Cardiff manager who will keep us bumping along.

this is my 49th season,, and apart from the first season and the last 12. we have been lower than where we sit now for all bar the one year where Ritchie Morgan got us to 9th .even that year we were bottom half until the last day of the season..
breaking point.. ?

Unfortunately todays football doesn't resemble the 80s or 90s.

Expectations are high as the stakes. We are in a league where money talks and promotion is the reason for playing.

Twice we have been able to get promoted, twice we havent given it a go in the premier, we were told or it was suggested that we would likely follow a model that Burnley had used.

We havent, we have bought players in a random scatter gun way, put players on contracts that beggar belief and paid over the odds for average players. What was hoped when Warnock mutally parted company was that we would change the approach and build.

Yesterdays comments from Harris where he stated that we tried to play, different work, so went long are not exactly inspiring. If he's any good we would be seeing shoots of growth and implemenation of a system, his system. Its just not happening. Not about being quick enough to change for change sake but at least set something up we can hold onto and get behind. My sking crawls when I hear about the Jacks in any way, but as hard as it is to say they have an identity and plan which they on the whole get behind.

If its a four year plan, fine. Tell us its a four year plan. At the moment the information which is leaked by Wales on line changes direction more than a cat on acid. We have money, no we don't. We want ball players, then we want Moore. We want new full backs, striker and wingers, now we want one face may be two. Bloody hell its like the ministry of Misinformation.

Just for the record, I didn't create this thread to suggest that other people's opinions are not justified because trust me, that is not how I operate.

Perhaps I could have worded the thread better but I came on last night after a few bottles of wine and it was so negative on here, Harris out, Pack is shit blah blah blah and we had just drawn away from home.

These are not bad times, it's a tight, poor championship, we should be getting behind everyone and keeping the faith, that's the Cardiff City I grew to love, not hanging people out to dry when they are doing their best, and in all honesty doing OK.

Just for the record, I didn't create this thread to suggest that other people's opinions are not justified because trust me, that is not how I operate.

Perhaps I could have worded the thread better but I came on last night after a few bottles of wine and it was so negative on here, Harris out, Pack is shit blah blah blah and we had just drawn away from home.

These are not bad times, it's a tight, poor championship, we should be getting behind everyone and keeping the faith, that's the Cardiff City I grew to love, not hanging people out to dry when they are doing their best, and in all honesty doing OK.

Wouldn't worry about it RV but your right could do with a break from this player is crap sell him now ect ect.. this board at moment is full of people not interested in why we are in position we are more interested in blasting every thing NH does or says or calling certain players crap donkey and even players linked get same treatment! Like you say not the best football but seen worse in my time, and now is not time to throw in towel which some have done already... after summer window that will give us better idea way we are going but unfortunately we will still get same the manager , players, signings are crap voices regardless, Supporting team doesn't seem to be fashionable anymore.

I didn't want Harris either but in 12 league games he's only lost f*cking 2.

4 wins, 6 draws, 2 defeats.

7 of those 12 games away from the home against teams who were at the time doing well in the League.

Things could be a lot worse, it's a tight division, 5 points off the play offs with with 54 points to play for. Turn a few of those draws in to wins and we won't be far off top 6.

Stop being so self entitles and spoilt, we are Cardiff City not Real Madrid.

I didn't want Harris either but in 12 league games he's only lost f*cking 2.

4 wins, 6 draws, 2 defeats.

7 of those 12 games away from the home against teams who were at the time doing well in the League.

Things could be a lot worse, it's a tight division, 5 points off the play offs with with 54 points to play for. Turn a few of those draws in to wins and we won't be far off top 6.

Stop being so self entitles and spoilt, we are Cardiff City not Real Madrid.

WELL SAID

Mmmm.....where to start!

I think the main problem here is that fans took an opinion on Harris' appointment and immediately drew their own line in the sand. Annis obviously did not want him here so every view he posts is gilted with that original personal assessment, along with many others on this board.

I wasn't particulary enamoured with the appointment but also feel that time is needed to really judge what NH can deliver to our club. He is using the players that he inherited, and trust me, in business if the staff can't cut it it takes a long time to weed them out and bring in like minded people.

Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, but also it is quite obvious that many posters either have a half full or half empty attitude to our club. I like to look at the positives. NH has lost 2 in 14 but equally there have been too many draws.

IMO NH needs to stay until at least Christmas 2020, when hopefully he will have been able to cut the chaff from the wheat, get a few of his own signings in, and then he can be judged fairly.

Not every team does bounce back from relegation but look at Fulham who have spent well and are comfortably ahead of us.
The issue I have isn’t so much the results but I think they are hiding the poor performances .....
We still don’t seem to have a style or to be able to consistently put a good 90 mins together bar Sheffield W away.
My mate is a Birmingham fan and said that yesterday in the first half we were the worst team to visit St Andrews this season but in the 2nd ‘ you murdered us ‘....

It’s because it’s easier to blame Harris due to him having a lower profile than the previous Manager who some people cannot; or will not admit, that he left us because he knew he’d got it wrong and built a team he couldn’t do anything with. None of this is down to Harris. Warnock built the squad. Harris just has to deal with it.

Not every team does bounce back from relegation but look at Fulham who have spent well and are comfortably ahead of us.
The issue I have isn’t so much the results but I think they are hiding the poor performances .....
We still don’t seem to have a style or to be able to consistently put a good 90 mins together bar Sheffield W away.
My mate is a Birmingham fan and said that yesterday in the first half we were the worst team to visit St Andrews this season but in the 2nd ‘ you murdered us ‘....

Spending well equates to well over 100m plus what they've spent on players and loans which are several this season But are still not top two! Plus of course they have a 20m striker who as scored 17 goals this season .. if get promoted can see them coming back down as still same frailties as previous two seasons, we spent lots and got not alot to show for it.

Totally agree, give Harris a chance FFS..
Tan is not throwing his money about at the moment, Harris is finding his feet, could be a lot worse
I remember when we were a third division club, with under 10k crowds. Support the team and manager

Fans are allowed their opinions/ views even if others don’t agree that’s the beauty of the game of football and the UK is about freedom of speech


For me NEIL HARRIS football during his 14 first team football matches has over all been boring/dire and no excitement.

Way to many draws, if you want to go anywhere you have to win games.

Also Harris keeps changing his team way to much.

Harris has also stated he is “happy with this squad, great squad, full of quality.”


Harris is not looking to strengthen his squad.

So far I think Harris has let 4-5 players go , agree with that

But if Harris is not going to strengthen then no one can say then Harris has not had a chance to change his squad as for me he has stated time and time again he is happy with them.

Yes for me after 14 matches in charge, you can see what type of manager he is and if Cardiff want to improve Harris is not the manager .

Of course all fans are entitled to their opinions but you seem to be leading a crusade against Harris and I don't understand why. You moan about our play being boring and dire but the fact is he's having to work with the players he inherited from Warnock. Warnock's style was boring and he brought players into the Club to play in a certain style. He also paid well over the odds for many of them and we're now paying the price.
Whichever manager came in would have to work with this group of players. Could anyone do any better?...I doubt it. He's trying his best to change the playing style but these things take time. Players revert to type in many situations and it will take a while for this group to adjust. You keep saying that he's happy with the squad. I strongly suspect he's being diplomatic because he knows that he's not going to have the money to do what he would like to. He's been looking for players and has said that he's been close to signing a couple but lost out at the death. He thinks we'll do some late business so I don't understand you saying he's not looking to sign anyone.
You also complain that he's changing the team too much but let's look at the facts. Since Harris arrived we've played virtually two games a week, we've picked up a lot of injuries and suspensions so he's had to change the team. Also, as a new manager he needs to know what players are capable of and what their attitudes are. You only find that out by playing...he's got a large squad so he's had to rotate a bit to see what's at his disposal. I'm sure most new managers would do that.
Personally I don't see what Harris could have done differently at this stage. You suggest that 14 games is enough to judge him by. He needs a couple of windows at least. At the end of it all he might well turn out to be a poor manager....but he could be brilliant. How can anyone know at this stage? I say give him a proper chance. People's expectations are not realistic.

i Don’t get this argument that this isn’t his squad and somehow we won’t see the best of him until he’s had some transfer windows.

Most managers take over someone’s else squad so it’s not like Harris is in a unique set of circumstances. There are plenty of examples where managers step in and kick a club forward without or with limited transfers windows - Southampton last season, Watford this one bring two very recent examples.

However, the example at Millwall gives us the clearest indication and most direct comparison - that was undoubtedly his squad, they were his players. This season, they have progressed hugely since he left them. His average points per game with Millwall this season was 1.1 (W2/L3/D5) and it has jumped to 1.9 since Rowett took over (W8/L2/D5).

Warnock got an average of 1.31 points this season - Harris has got 1.5 so far - so whilst marginally better, it was hugely bumped by 10 points in his first 4 games (2 of which were against the bottom 2)

i Don’t get this argument that this isn’t his squad and somehow we won’t see the best of him until he’s had some transfer windows.

Most managers take over someone’s else squad so it’s not like Harris is in a unique set of circumstances. There are plenty of examples where managers step in and kick a club forward without or with limited transfers windows - Southampton last season, Watford this one bring two very recent examples.

However, the example at Millwall gives us the clearest indication and most direct comparison - that was undoubtedly his squad, they were his players. This season, they have progressed hugely since he left them. His average points per game with Millwall this season was 1.1 (W2/L3/D5) and it has jumped to 1.9 since Rowett took over (W8/L2/D5).

Warnock got an average of 1.31 points this season - Harris has got 1.5 so far - so whilst marginally better, it was hugely bumped by 10 points in his first 4 games (2 of which were against the bottom 2)

Rowett had 5 more games and is more experienced at championship level than Harris to achieve 1.9 points.... As for others totally different league different quality of players! But yes can improve with new manager but can also go downwards just depends on what as been taken over squad wise and quality of manager helps, like said rowett better than Harris and more experience! . Harris by popular consensus as got a squad that is lacking in quality players in certain positions and that is restricting him greatly,

Healthy debates are always good and difference of opinions are what’s makes football.

If you look at this message since the start of the season the clue is in the threads started. There has been numerous threads on this player shit this player shit going through nearly all of the team so what is that telling you, whilst you say the manager is shit maybe just maybe he has inherited a pile of shit.

Give NH a chance he is here to stay - give him a summer transfer window and a pre season and you might be surprised,

the trouble with this is you can go back further.. all our players have been getting slaughtered for years..
people expect 4mill players to be as good as 10 mill players. infact general expectations are way too high full stop.
the owner isn't giving it a go { I have no issue with that } he didn't the year we went up.. didn't in the prem and is not now. that's not either managers fault and certainly not a players fault for not being a better more expensive player and only being what he is.

I agree mate.
To be fair to the owner, he said he was no longer going to have a go since he turned us back to blue. As you, I have absolutely no issue with that and I’m grateful he’s working to clear our debt.
I remember when VT stated all of this when turning us back to blue and many many fans said that was fine as they’d prefer to be blue in league 2 etc etc.
We’re doing ok imo. I’ll continue to get a ST and support the team what ever happens and I do agree that ALL opinions are welcome here.

All good valid points - yes I mentioned the blue in league two - problem is our fans want it all ways and we can’t. Accept what we have get behind the players and the manager and see where we end up.

There are clubs far worse than us and could end up going out of business it is not so long ago we were on the brink

That's right,try getting behind the team and manager,it's certainly not neil harris's fault,he has inherited in neil Warnock's words"a team capable of top 2,well we all know that was b@locks,or he'd still be here,I have noticed a trend growing,where certain posters are cursing tan and NH ,saying he isn't interested etc etc,we ALL know he has been looking at getting this club on a sound footing regards debt,and would sell if the right offer was forthcoming,but do these posters believe the gate money is paying the bills?? It's a known fact that we are pawns in the game,and clubs (not all of course)can function on tv monies and sponsorship alone,I read a very interesting article regarding the championship bubble about to burst,and it's only a matter of time,and a championship club could go to the wall,due to excessive spending trying to reach the premier league,made a lot of sense to me.would some fans really prefer tan to do one? I fear for us if he did.

Neil Harris latest interview this weekend



NEIL HARRIS:

"Adding to the group, I'll say it again, it's a fantastic squad on paper and a big squad full of quality, they just need time to play my way.”

"I work with them every day and they are a good squad. It's about getting the best out of them and having variety.”

"You need variety in your group and we are just trying to add support and variety to the group we've got already and that's the aim of the window, to keep trying to add to the group up until January 31, because it's a long second half of the season."

Aug this year city will have done 100 years in the football league.I come on board in 1975. To me we generally bump along in the second tier(as the amount of seasons played at this level testify).therefore Harris is a traditional Cardiff manager who will keep us bumping along.

this is my 49th season,, and apart from the first season and the last 12. we have been lower than where we sit now for all bar the one year where Ritchie Morgan got us to 9th .even that year we were bottom half until the last day of the season..
breaking point.. ?[/quote

Have to give it to you dogfound,I completely agree 100% my honest belief is that the younger genration of supporters have been spoilt,especially where ccfc are concerned before that,it was my grandad that enjoyed the other successful spell in the 20's I do wonder myself,what will be the breaking point? Was reading a very interesting article regarding the championship,and how the bubble is set to burst! And now look at derby some of fans would rather tan spent umpteen millions for another shot at the prem,and risk the club going tits up,if we do not stay there,me I love the idea of stability,but it doesn't come easy.