' SO MANY CARDIFF FANS ARGUED LAST NIGHT '

With Neil Harris, No one really knows who Harris’s really will start in his first team games , that’s the truth .

I went last night the team we had on the field I'm sorry going forward looked ok decent defending was atrocious the Carlisle winger tore jazz apart for whole came I wouldnt have begrudged carlisle taking it to extra time or winning it in the 90 .. dont get me wrong a very entertaining game cant recall going away and seeing a 4-3 with the city but boy harris needs to sort that team out the 2 chances they had at end game the shot just wide and the one off the line that could have been 5-4easy but boy we were lucky

We have lost 2 of the 13 games since Harris took over. Stop moaning.

Why are our fans the only ones to call last nights team our 1st eleven? Did any club premier or championship called their team who played in cup game 1st eleven They called them a reserve side a mixture of 1st and squad players is that not what played last night? .......And nobody is saying the players last night are not in 1st team squad! but big difference between 1st eleven and 1st team squad players one plays every week others play when player injured or they play cup games ? This argument is being manipulated and twisted to suit an agenda bit like what roathy does!

Allan, I don’t get what you and a few others argued about me stating this last night?



NEIL HARRIS FIELDED VIRTUALLY A FIRST TEAM THAT HAVE ALL PLAYED AT SOME STAGES DURING THIS SEASON IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.


What was wrong with that statement?


Remember Harris & Warnock rotate the first team squad all the time

Nobody is arguing that the players have not played this season for 1st eleven but you call it a 1st team When blatantly it was a squad team just like all the premier & championship teams were in cup games! a 1st team plays every Saturday a squad player plays when picked, or a player is injured or will be a sub, and of course cup games? Only flint as played regularly this season others have played occasionally or just starting to be in 1st team..... the question for you is how many of last nights team will start Saturday and rest season.. that will be 1st team... and yes display was not good no argument there, but premier and championship teams went out to lower clubs playing mixture of 1st and squad players so let's be thankful we are in next round.

We have lost 2 of the 13 games since Harris took over. Stop moaning.

Changing the topic

So we are not allowed our opinions?

Is this not what a forum is for ?

Wasn’t moaning? , but now you say it, yes I don’t rate Harris and he is not for me or Cardiff City in my opinion.

How many games have we won under Harris?

How would you describe our defence?

How would you describe the current football?

We have lost 2 of the 13 games since Harris took over. Stop moaning.

It's the fact that performances havent changed we were awful last night yes scored 4 but we could have easily lost yest 7-4

Why are our fans the only ones to call last nights team our 1st eleven? Did any club premier or championship called their team who played in cup game 1st eleven They called them a reserve side a mixture of 1st and squad players is that not what played last night? .......And nobody is saying the players last night are not in 1st team squad! but big difference between 1st eleven and 1st team squad players one plays every week others play when player injured or they play cup games ? This argument is being manipulated and twisted to suit an agenda bit like what roathy does!

Allan, I don’t get what you and a few others argued about me stating this last night?



NEIL HARRIS FIELDED VIRTUALLY A FIRST TEAM THAT HAVE ALL PLAYED AT SOME STAGES DURING THIS SEASON IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.


What was wrong with that statement?


Remember Harris & Warnock rotate the first team squad all the time

Nobody is arguing that the players have not played this season for 1st eleven but you call it a 1st team When blatantly it was a squad team just like all the premier & championship teams were in cup games! a 1st team plays every Saturday a squad player plays when picked, or a player is injured or will be a sub, and of course cup games? Only flint as played regularly this season others have played occasionally or just starting to be in 1st team..... the question for you is how many of last nights team will start Saturday and rest season.. that will be 1st team... and yes display was not good no argument there, but premier and championship teams went out to lower clubs playing mixture of 1st and squad players so let's be thankful we are in next round.

Allan,


Please carefully read these words again




NEIL HARRIS FIELDED VIRTUALLY A FIRST TEAM THAT HAVE ALL PLAYED AT SOME STAGES DURING THIS SEASON IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

We have lost 2 of the 13 games since Harris took over. Stop moaning.

It's the fact that performances havent changed we were awful last night yes scored 4 but we could have easily lost yest 7-4

Oops your not allowed to have an opinion if it does not suit him.

We have lost 2 of the 13 games since Harris took over. Stop moaning.

It's the fact that performances havent changed we were awful last night yes scored 4 but we could have easily lost yest 7-4

Oops your not allowed to have an opinion if it does not suit him.

Ahh fair enough lol I not going lie glad we won but I wouldnt have begrudged carlisle getting the equaliser or winning it yes going forward ok but defence midfield again we were horiffic jazz whole game the winger for Carlisle had him in his pocket poor to say least

We got the right result but not the performance really which does disappoint.Our club has not taken this competition seriously for a number of years so let’s move on To Saturdays league game.
A big well done to all that travelled

You just got to laugh at some of the jokers on here arguing that City never played first team players last night

That's not what people, including me, said.

We are arguing that in the original post last nights team was described as a First Team XI.

That simply isn't true no matter how much spin you or the original poster put on it.

There's a pretty strong argument that of last nights starting XI only Smithies, Whyte and, possibly, Ralls (only based on Harris's comments rather than recent selection) would be in Harris's first XI. Or are you arguing that he played a weakened/rotated team against the Jacks

I'm no Harris fan but the simple fact is he hasn't bought a single player yet so this mess of a squad is actually down to Warnock who continually stated he was being backed and how he rated the Choo/Dalman/Tan support.

So either something fishy went on or Warnock lied.

But hey ho, never let the facts get in the way of finding a scapegoat in Harris. Football hasn't been great and I'm not wholly convinced but I'll give him until the end of the season before I start having a go. He has made us more difficult to beat (QPR game aside) let's see if he can get us scoring more too.

We certainly put out a strong and experienced team last night. It is the cup though, and anything can happen. Plenty of us on here will remember Hereford, then a non league club, drawing with, and then beating top flight Newcastle in this competition. Even more will remember little Cardiff beating the mighty Leeds of the PL. That's what makes it an exciting competition, and we have avoided one of those cup upsets which is the main thing.

I said this last night.. the gap between us and Leeds was fifty odd places very similar to last nights..only the other way around.
its what the FA cup is known for.

Slight difference being we were a team on the up and full of confidence when we beat Leeds.

Carlisle are almost bottom of the football league they are the worst of the worst. We should be crushing teams like that easily.

no mate we were under performing when we beat Leeds and sacked our manager 5 weeks later... the Leeds result probably kept him in a job a few weeks which could well have cost us automatic promotion .
might not have been as poor as Carlisle... but we are hardly like Leeds were either..

No mate, we definitely were not under performing prior to the Leeds game.
We went into that game with only 1 defeat in the previous 10 matches, and the likes of Earnie and Kavanagh in our side.
I still remember to this day being in the Lansdowne in the old back bar downing a skinful of ale with some top boys, and we were all in agreement that we could win that game .
I also remember the following game at home to lowly Peterborough when we lost 0-2 , and to me that was the game which cost us automatic promotion as we finished just a single point off automatic if my memory is correct.

You just got to laugh at some of the jokers on here arguing that City never played first team players last night

That's not what people, including me, said.

We are arguing that in the original post last nights team was described as a First Team XI.

That simply isn't true no matter how much spin you or the original poster put on it.

There's a pretty strong argument that of last nights starting XI only Smithies, Whyte and, possibly, Ralls (only based on Harris's comments rather than recent selection) would be in Harris's first XI. Or are you arguing that he played a weakened/rotated team against the Jacks

I'm no Harris fan but the simple fact is he hasn't bought a single player yet so this mess of a squad is actually down to Warnock who continually stated he was being backed and how he rated the Choo/Dalman/Tan support.

So either something fishy went on or Warnock lied.

But hey ho, never let the facts get in the way of finding a scapegoat in Harris. Football hasn't been great and I'm not wholly convinced but I'll give him until the end of the season before I start having a go. He has made us more difficult to beat (QPR game aside) let's see if he can get us scoring more too.

knowing your being backed to a point where its the most your going to get and getting on well with board members is what it says on the tin.

saying that is not lies even if you think you actually need more...its called being sensible and reasonable.

I was slightly disappointed in the team we fielded last night as I hoped Harris would field his strongest possible side in the FA cup as we really have nothing else to play for this season.But we got away with it and it probably did some good to give the likes of Coxe Vaulks Bamba and Jazz an outing. One thing for sure is if we fielded this side against Reading we would be stuffed, we will need to be at full strength for that match. At least we appear to know what our best defence is now and it doesn't involve anyone who played last night.

I was slightly disappointed in the team we fielded last night as I hoped Harris would field his strongest possible side in the FA cup as we really have nothing else to play for this season.But we got away with it and it probably did some good to give the likes of Coxe Vaulks Bamba and Jazz an outing. One thing for sure is if we fielded this side against Reading we would be stuffed, we will need to be at full strength for that match. At least we appear to know what our best defence is now and it doesn't involve anyone who played last night.

You just got to laugh at some of the jokers on here arguing that City never played first team players last night

That's not what people, including me, said.

We are arguing that in the original post last nights team was described as a First Team XI.

That simply isn't true no matter how much spin you or the original poster put on it.

There's a pretty strong argument that of last nights starting XI only Smithies, Whyte and, possibly, Ralls (only based on Harris's comments rather than recent selection) would be in Harris's first XI. Or are you arguing that he played a weakened/rotated team against the Jacks

I'm no Harris fan but the simple fact is he hasn't bought a single player yet so this mess of a squad is actually down to Warnock who continually stated he was being backed and how he rated the Choo/Dalman/Tan support.

So either something fishy went on or Warnock lied.

But hey ho, never let the facts get in the way of finding a scapegoat in Harris. Football hasn't been great and I'm not wholly convinced but I'll give him until the end of the season before I start having a go. He has made us more difficult to beat (QPR game aside) let's see if he can get us scoring more too.

So your saying the team that played last night wasn’t 11 players from the first team?


Where are they from then?

Nobody is saying that it was our strongest team but it wasn’t a bunch of untried youngsters. It was a team full of seasoned pro’s and the performance yet again was absolutely rubbish.

They should be putting games like that to bed easily.

An if that team wasn’t a first team squad as your saying why the hell have we spent so much money on them?

You just got to laugh at some of the jokers on here arguing that City never played first team players last night

That's not what people, including me, said.

We are arguing that in the original post last nights team was described as a First Team XI.

That simply isn't true no matter how much spin you or the original poster put on it.

There's a pretty strong argument that of last nights starting XI only Smithies, Whyte and, possibly, Ralls (only based on Harris's comments rather than recent selection) would be in Harris's first XI. Or are you arguing that he played a weakened/rotated team against the Jacks

I'm no Harris fan but the simple fact is he hasn't bought a single player yet so this mess of a squad is actually down to Warnock who continually stated he was being backed and how he rated the Choo/Dalman/Tan support.

So either something fishy went on or Warnock lied.

But hey ho, never let the facts get in the way of finding a scapegoat in Harris. Football hasn't been great and I'm not wholly convinced but I'll give him until the end of the season before I start having a go. He has made us more difficult to beat (QPR game aside) let's see if he can get us scoring more too.

So your saying the team that played last night wasn’t 11 players from the first team?


Where are they from then?

Nobody is saying that it was our strongest team but it wasn’t a bunch of untried youngsters. It was a team full of seasoned pro’s and the performance yet again was absolutely rubbish.

They should be putting games like that to bed easily.

An if that team wasn’t a first team squad as your saying why the hell have we spent so much money on them?

I'm saying that the eleven that started were not the First XI, just like the First XI that Liverpool picked against Everton wasn't a first eleven.

They were/are first team squad members but anyone thinking that was our First XI last night is stark raving bonkers

You just got to laugh at some of the jokers on here arguing that City never played first team players last night

That's not what people, including me, said.

We are arguing that in the original post last nights team was described as a First Team XI.

That simply isn't true no matter how much spin you or the original poster put on it.

There's a pretty strong argument that of last nights starting XI only Smithies, Whyte and, possibly, Ralls (only based on Harris's comments rather than recent selection) would be in Harris's first XI. Or are you arguing that he played a weakened/rotated team against the Jacks

I'm no Harris fan but the simple fact is he hasn't bought a single player yet so this mess of a squad is actually down to Warnock who continually stated he was being backed and how he rated the Choo/Dalman/Tan support.

So either something fishy went on or Warnock lied.

But hey ho, never let the facts get in the way of finding a scapegoat in Harris. Football hasn't been great and I'm not wholly convinced but I'll give him until the end of the season before I start having a go. He has made us more difficult to beat (QPR game aside) let's see if he can get us scoring more too.

So your saying the team that played last night wasn’t 11 players from the first team?


Where are they from then?

Nobody is saying that it was our strongest team but it wasn’t a bunch of untried youngsters. It was a team full of seasoned pro’s and the performance yet again was absolutely rubbish.

They should be putting games like that to bed easily.

An if that team wasn’t a first team squad as your saying why the hell have we spent so much money on them?

I'm saying that the eleven that started were not the First XI, just like the First XI that Liverpool picked against Everton wasn't a first eleven.

They were/are first team squad members but anyone thinking that was our First XI last night is stark raving bonkers

Putting games like this to bed easily? Did Bristol or the other premier/championship teams that lost to lower opposition think their game was easy? Only our fans thought playing
them should been an easy game laughing6:

To be honest Annis has a point, they have nearly all been first team regulars at some time.
However, they can't be considered our first choice 11 if only 2 played in what's probably our biggest game of the season only 3 days before
It does show that we have a pretty decent squad which is performing way below what is required.

They were all part of the first team squad. Some of them even featured prominently in the Premier League last season.

They may not have started many games this season, but still part of the first team squad.

Concerning to concede three goals against a poor League Two team but I don't think that is our defence in the league.

Peltier, Morrison, Nelson and Bennett did very well against Swansea. I think that is currently our best defence. None of them started last night.

Very sensible post. The problem here is we are getting hung up on the phrase "first team players". Technically all of last nights team (bar Coxe) are first team players, but whether they are first team 'starters' is another debate.

That said that team had enough talent to easily have won the tie at the first attempt without having to limp over the line in a replay.

To be honest Annis has a point, they have nearly all been first team regulars at some time.
However, they can't be considered our first choice 11 if only 2 played in what's probably our biggest game of the season only 3 days before
It does show that we have a pretty decent squad which is performing way below what is required.

I totally agree with your point, there was enough talent in that side to see off Carlisle without making things so hard for ourselves.

It has potential to be a first team definitely, but this is a team made up of injury returns/Fringes in my opinion:

Smithies - Might actually be back to second choice after the latest Etheridge news? or he's just getting match sharpness back after being out of the team for so long, only played one game since Etheridge was given the nod. I was expecting to see Day in though

Coxe - u23s player, played for a potential look in. Definitely a fringe player
Bamba - Clearly in for match sharpness with a view to return full time. i'd class him as fringe based on this season.
Flint - missed the Derby, probably played to keep match sharpness up. Could argue he's a first team player pre-Swansea game
Jazz - Played for match sharpness with a view to challenge Pelts/Bennett. Fringe player

Ralls - Just back from injury, surely he played for match fitness with a view to return to the team this weekend. (hopefully anyway). First team injury returner
Vaulks - Fringe player all season, this was his chance to impress.

Ward - Fringe player all season, another who played to impress.
Whyte - Pretty much has to play due to injuries.
Murphy - number 2 to Hoilett, played to challenge Hoilett or Whyte

Paterson - Fringes all season, Neil could be fancying as a striker after his 30 minute Derby stint

Our first team played on Sunday.

Members of our first team squad played last night, but with the exception of Ralls, who has just come back from injury, those players will be to fill in as replacements when needed for the team which played on Sunday.

Neil Harris is no worse than most other Championship managers. We are a top end Championship Club who will manage from time to time to get a shot at the Premier League - we aren't going to attract Mourhino or Pep to manage us. Neil Harris has good Championship experience and is less of a risk than getting a successful manager from the lower divisions who doesn't have experience at Championship level. Look what happened to Nathan Jones when he moved to Stoke.

We really need to stop being negative about our manager as there is no point in changing again at the moment. Lets give him until November next season, when he will have hasd a year in charge, before we start moaning about him.

Our first team played on Sunday.

Members of our first team squad played last night, but with the exception of Ralls, who has just come back from injury, those players will be to fill in as replacements when needed for the team which played on Sunday.

Neil Harris is no worse than most other Championship managers. We are a top end Championship Club who will manage from time to time to get a shot at the Premier League - we aren't going to attract Mourhino or Pep to manage us. Neil Harris has good Championship experience and is less of a risk than getting a successful manager from the lower divisions who doesn't have experience at Championship level. Look what happened to Nathan Jones when he moved to Stoke.

We really need to stop being negative about our manager as there is no point in changing again at the moment. Lets give him until November next season, when he will have hasd a year in charge, before we start moaning about him.

So if that’s our first team that played on Sunday , barring injuries let’s see HARRIS stick to that team over the next 5-6 Championship games.

Look at Harris record so far he rotates the squad.

I also never said it was the first team last night, I said the majority of the team played have all been involved in many many first team games this season.

Also never said it was Harris best side.

Remember Harris loves Jazz Richards.


Etheridge has been told to leave .

They were all part of the first team squad. Some of them even featured prominently in the Premier League last season.

They may not have started many games this season, but still part of the first team squad.

Concerning to concede three goals against a poor League Two team but I don't think that is our defence in the league.

Peltier, Morrison, Nelson and Bennett did very well against Swansea. I think that is currently our best defence. None of them started last night.

Very sensible post. The problem here is we are getting hung up on the phrase "first team players". Technically all of last nights team (bar Coxe) are first team players, but whether they are first team 'starters' is another debate.

That said that team had enough talent to easily have won the tie at the first attempt without having to limp over the line in a replay.

Exactly. A massive deal over nothing has been made over this. I do not think one person has said that was a good performance last night (defensively anyway) and I think everyone feels the team put out in both games should have won/won more comfortably. The fact we made 9 changes from our last game and will probably make a similar amount of changes again Saturday clearly suggests that wasn't our first 11, as has been suggested on here. It was a strong team with experienced players but it wasnt our strongest 11. Simple.

They were all part of the first team squad. Some of them even featured prominently in the Premier League last season.

They may not have started many games this season, but still part of the first team squad.

Concerning to concede three goals against a poor League Two team but I don't think that is our defence in the league.

Peltier, Morrison, Nelson and Bennett did very well against Swansea. I think that is currently our best defence. None of them started last night.

Very sensible post. The problem here is we are getting hung up on the phrase "first team players". Technically all of last nights team (bar Coxe) are first team players, but whether they are first team 'starters' is another debate.

That said that team had enough talent to easily have won the tie at the first attempt without having to limp over the line in a replay.

Exactly. A massive deal over nothing has been made over this. I do not think one person has said that was a good performance last night (defensively anyway) and I think everyone feels the team put out in both games should have won/won more comfortably. The fact we made 9 changes from our last game and will probably make a similar amount of changes again Saturday clearly suggests that wasn't our first 11, as has been suggested on here. It was a strong team with experienced players but it wasnt our strongest 11. Simple.

Spot on

6-7 of the usual suspects tried to twist what I said in my match report and caused all this .

I actually never said the first team played. But they are twisting my post.

Its seem obvious to me that NH is still "experimenting" with certain players, knowing full well that quite a few will be leaving our club come the end of this season. I just hope he can keep our "best" players here,,, I'm already consigned to the fact that Etheridge is on his way out of the club,,, who else I wonder?

Its seem obvious to me that NH is still "experimenting" with certain players, knowing full well that quite a few will be leaving our club come the end of this season. I just hope he can keep our "best" players here,,, I'm already consigned to the fact that Etheridge is on his way out of the club,,, who else I wonder?

Exactly Rick.

Harris is being told sell your best players and get money in ASAP.

For me Harris will be another Slade manager for Tan.

Its seem obvious to me that NH is still "experimenting" with certain players, knowing full well that quite a few will be leaving our club come the end of this season. I just hope he can keep our "best" players here,,, I'm already consigned to the fact that Etheridge is on his way out of the club,,, who else I wonder?

Exactly Rick.

Harris is being told sell your best players and get money in ASAP.

For me Harris will be another Slade manager for Tan.

Annis, the comparisons made to RS are well documented now, & its not to difficult to see that the exact same scenarios are happening, just like they did when Russel Slade took over,,, deja vu.

Have lessons been learnt? I dont think so. Exactly What are Vincent Tans intentions for Cardiff City AFC??
With at least two board of directors living in London, one of who wanted to take over a London based Championship club last summer, what exactly is going on? I mean to say, exactly what direction is Cardiff City FC being steered in??

The call for Season ticket renewals will soon be upon us. How is our club going to "Sell" to the masses???
Baring the die hard's, many thousands are going to need to "buy in" to something,,, a philosophy, or a dream...… We shall soon see!

You just got to laugh at some of the jokers on here arguing that City never played first team players last night

Paul, a lot of jokers on here at the moment...and some of them don't realise how funny they are!

With the possible exception of Cameron Coxe, all of those who played last night ARE first team players and could be selected for any given game without any of us (BarryFraud88 excepted on the ground he thinks anyone who ever put on a City shirt is crap! ) batting an eye-lid other than to perhaps moan that someone else could/should have been chosen ahead of them!

A quick look at the stats shows that even the likes of Vaulks and Whyte have played in excess of a dozen games or so and that would clearly indicate they are first team players that simply part of a rotation system used by both Neil Harris and his predecessor Neil ap Warnock