Vince Alm: “ The Police This Sunday “

So wha,Ive got nothing to hide. Nothing against more security to weed out the racists, idiots and terrorists.
Freedom comes at a price and our tolerances are our weakness. Something like that , I've had a few drinks now.

ive been free all my life without facial recognition cameras thanks.

Exactly. The state - and banks and multinationals - would love us to become a cashless society, have micro chips in our hands [as in Sweden], and be on camera 24/7 while outside our own homes, and then monitor what we are viewing while we are inside.

The argument that this is being done to 'protect us' is disingenuous at the very least. Anyway I'd rather take my chances of being blown up by a drug-raddled nutter, as opposed to being watched by a fat plod/private security employee 24/7..

The mad thing about doing it to "protect us" ... they created British terrorism by importing Islam here without asking us. So they create the chaos then provide a solution which gives them more and control of our lives.

100 % behind you on this Vince. I believe the only major country with more surveillance than the UK is China.

I'm not sure the comparison is fair and is fear mongering not based on fact. A bit like the OP saying the system will be used for littering offences etc. I agree it should be monitored but the whole thing is a small price to pay for the extra security we need. Bearing in mind there has been strong links to terrorism in this City.

its not fear mongering at all.. CCTV is used more and more by environment officers to get numbers and fines up for fly tipping. what constitutes fly tipping these days though is more often than not leaving rubbish in the wrong place in recycling areas.. not unlike speed cameras that are placed where a road opens up a little .put a camera in an equation and the end result isn't about improvement of behaviour it becomes abouts numbers and pound signs.

It is a totally different system to an Environment Officer being a bit sneaky.
It isn't CCTV filming people, it is a system that captures peoples facial features and tells the Police if the person is a threat or wanted.
It doesn't make money at all, you are arguing about general surveillance rather than security.
Do you believe the armed police should be taken away as well or are you being selective in our protection on a match day?

I'm not sure the comparison is fair and is fear mongering not based on fact. A bit like the OP saying the system will be used for littering offences etc. I agree it should be monitored but the whole thing is a small price to pay for the extra security we need. Bearing in mind there has been strong links to terrorism in this City.

its not fear mongering at all.. CCTV is used more and more by environment officers to get numbers and fines up for fly tipping. what constitutes fly tipping these days though is more often than not leaving rubbish in the wrong place in recycling areas.. not unlike speed cameras that are placed where a road opens up a little .put a camera in an equation and the end result isn't about improvement of behaviour it becomes abouts numbers and pound signs.

It is a totally different system to an Environment Officer being a bit sneaky.
It isn't CCTV filming people, it is a system that captures peoples facial features and tells the Police if the person is a threat or wanted.
It doesn't make money at all, you are arguing about general surveillance rather than security.
Do you believe the armed police should be taken away as well or are you being selective in our protection on a match day?

I think the point is that it can gradually evolve into a tool of oppression. So you have to draw a line in the sand with one eye on the future. It comes down to how much you enjoy the freedom that comes with relative anonymity and how much you trust the elites running our lives. I wouldn't trust them at all. They created British islamic terrorism, they arrested and charged the father of a grooming gang victim for going to the groomers house. while doing nothing to the nonce.
why would you trust a system doing that?

Home grown Islamic suicide bombers and industrial scale grooming gangs though... Where did it all go wrong?

I agree with the point on where did it all go wrong, we have created a world in conflict because of greed.
There have also been loads of miscarriages of justice and corruption amongst the security services, as a result of these negatives becomes a need to protect ourselves.
In a perfect world we wouldn't need such devices but my opinion is better to have and closely scrutinise rather than pay a horrific price.

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

I'm not sure the comparison is fair and is fear mongering not based on fact. A bit like the OP saying the system will be used for littering offences etc. I agree it should be monitored but the whole thing is a small price to pay for the extra security we need. Bearing in mind there has been strong links to terrorism in this City.

its not fear mongering at all.. CCTV is used more and more by environment officers to get numbers and fines up for fly tipping. what constitutes fly tipping these days though is more often than not leaving rubbish in the wrong place in recycling areas.. not unlike speed cameras that are placed where a road opens up a little .put a camera in an equation and the end result isn't about improvement of behaviour it becomes abouts numbers and pound signs.

It is a totally different system to an Environment Officer being a bit sneaky.
It isn't CCTV filming people, it is a system that captures peoples facial features and tells the Police if the person is a threat or wanted.
It doesn't make money at all, you are arguing about general surveillance rather than security.
Do you believe the armed police should be taken away as well or are you being selective in our protection on a match day?

im aware mate..my point was they spin us the cameras are there for reason { A } but in no time they are used for X , Y and Z...this will be no different and its naïve to think otherwise.....and yes im selective in many things . im not a robot

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

How can looking at a face in the street prevent fan throwing a coin ect ect in ground? Thats what CCTV is for in grounds.. take it step further you get into aggro in street on a Saturday night and cops arrest you take picture put you on their data base everytime you go football, you could be stopped from going because you did something totally unrelated to football but they have your face on their data bank! that is the reality of facial recognition use....

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

Sounds like using a sledge hammer to crack a walnut that.

If you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about!

If having the van there spots and prevents a potential terror attack then you would all be praising it

If having the van there stops the dickheads causing trouble getting to the ground resulting in lower policing costs that brings ticket prices down I'm all for it. It will also go a long way to stopping restricted games .

It has more pros than cons in my opinion for what I can see

Trouble with your post is precisely why they use it to cut down on amount of officers used on the streets Especially at football games! Yes it cuts police costs but is of no benefit to ticket prices and it certainly wont stop restrictions at games because it would need far more cops to pick up so called trouble makers than to police game in normal way...... pros useful for weeding out activists at demos certainly for security work at conferences, but no pros at football because fans are neither terrorists or activists? And if coursectroublevyou get banned, So why single out football why not pop concert rugby internationals ect ect . The recent case they were on queen st taking photo of Joe public for their data base nothing to do with security ect ect, will get like China where they take pictures of absolutely everyone in a totalitarian state..

They don’t single out football they use it for literally every big event held in Cardiff.

Why are people so scared about having there face scanned?

It’s not an invasion of privacy since your out in the street and not in a place of privacy.

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

Sounds like using a sledge hammer to crack a walnut that.

More like a peanut!

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

Sounds like using a sledge hammer to crack a walnut that.

More like a peanut!

Look facial recognition as its place in fighting terrorism! but people really dont get the implication for people like footbal fans in police using facial recognition ? If any citizen is arrested for an offence and their faces are put on data base the police can stop them entering a pop concert football ect ect if their face pops up! Especially if been done for any kind of violence , already this happens with banning orders we all know that you can be stopped from doing things if police recognise you with a convicted person... if done for shoplifting same thing they take picture you could be stopped from going in town centre as think your there to shoplift? It may sound extreme but its reality as to what police can do with this technology.

agree with Vince, the OB have my id from past (not football related) and you never know at one time they could come out and swarm me...
against modern football!

agree with Vince, the OB have my id from past (not football related) and you never know at one time they could come out and swarm me...
against modern football!

That is the reality of facial recognition in hands of police and who knows what the state will use it for?

Look facial recognition as its place in fighting terrorism! but people really dont get the implication for people like footbal fans in police using facial recognition ? If any citizen is arrested for an offence and their faces are put on data base the police can stop them entering a pop concert football ect ect if their face pops up! Especially if been done for any kind of violence , already this happens with banning orders we all know that you can be stopped from doing things if police recognise you with a convicted person... if done for shoplifting same thing they take picture you could be stopped from going in town centre as think your there to shoplift? It may sound extreme but its reality as to what police can do with this technology.

Wow what a load of made up rubbish.

Police stopping you entering a concert because you had a fight in a pub 6 years ago lol.

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

How can looking at a face in the street prevent fan throwing a coin ect ect in ground? Thats what CCTV is for in grounds.. take it step further you get into aggro in street on a Saturday night and cops arrest you take picture put you on their data base everytime you go football, you could be stopped from going because you did something totally unrelated to football but they have your face on their data bank! that is the reality of facial recognition use....

Allan has anyone ever been stopped going to the football for a totally unrelated offense?? No.

Allan has anyone been picked up by facial recognition cameras abd stopped from entering the football for an unrelated offense?? No.

Stop saying "its the reality" when it's never happened so cant be.

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

How can looking at a face in the street prevent fan throwing a coin ect ect in ground? Thats what CCTV is for in grounds.. take it step further you get into aggro in street on a Saturday night and cops arrest you take picture put you on their data base everytime you go football, you could be stopped from going because you did something totally unrelated to football but they have your face on their data bank! that is the reality of facial recognition use....

Allan has anyone ever been stopped going to the football for a totally unrelated offense?? No.

Allan has anyone been picked up by facial recognition cameras abd stopped from entering the football for an unrelated offense?? No.

Stop saying "its the reality" when it's never happened so cant be.

Ok not reality but certainly a possibility? Or is that not correct either?

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

How can looking at a face in the street prevent fan throwing a coin ect ect in ground? Thats what CCTV is for in grounds.. take it step further you get into aggro in street on a Saturday night and cops arrest you take picture put you on their data base everytime you go football, you could be stopped from going because you did something totally unrelated to football but they have your face on their data bank! that is the reality of facial recognition use....

Allan has anyone ever been stopped going to the football for a totally unrelated offense?? No.

Allan has anyone been picked up by facial recognition cameras abd stopped from entering the football for an unrelated offense?? No.

Stop saying "its the reality" when it's never happened so cant be.

Ok not reality but certainly a possibility? Or is that not correct either?[/quote]

Why on earth would police stop you going to a concery for a previous unrelated offense unless you were on license. I got done for ABH years ago, at no point have the police ever tried to restrict my movements.

Its not a possibility unless we become a communist state i guess.

Heres my reality. I live a normal life, i enjoy my life, i think its good some may think its boring.

If big brother wants to keep an eye on me crack on it doesn't bother me but i think it'll bore them.

I have no issue with my face being on a police database, its already on there anyway.

Here's one reality though CCTv has saved lives and brought about undisputed criminal convictions is that a bad thing?

Yet nothing is said about the CCTV images being obtained within the stadium by the match day policing team or the tactical officers stood at the front of the stands with a camcorder filming the supporters..... just because they’re putting the Facial Recognition van outside the stadium (and it’s been there on quite a few occasions trying to hide in the car park) then it’s an issue..... nothing seems to be said when it’s used in other areas such as the Elvis Festival down Porthcawl for instance....

Surely everyone looks like Elvis

You’d think so... they’ve picked a few people up from the SWP wanted list in the few years they’ve been using it down there

I suppose that's really what it is for in this case, and to spot fams that are banned, they'll probably get quite a few of those, and stop some going as using this as a deterrent?

It will also act as a deterrent to potential trouble at the game, such as the Swansea fans throwing seats into the family stand!

mate there are more than enough CCTV cameras aimed at the away end to catch anyone stupid enough to do such a thing as it is. and no amount can guarantee it not happening. . but what Vince is talking about here is something different

Cannot be serious! We know swans fans are not the brightest but to think one would rip up a seat in full view of cops and stewards 20ft away is nuts! Maybe 20yrs ago but not in todays environment ...

Yes because they are being filmed they would not do it, even a coin in the midst of a crowd, if they have already been spotted on the facial recognition camera's a quick check and they would be able to identify the coin thrower!

That's the point I was making the more cameras in and around the ground the more of a deterrent, and the less likelihood of trouble. CCTV virtually finished crowd trouble, facial recognition will probably take it a step further and make the authorities aware of everything people do at football and everywhere.

How can looking at a face in the street prevent fan throwing a coin ect ect in ground? Thats what CCTV is for in grounds.. take it step further you get into aggro in street on a Saturday night and cops arrest you take picture put you on their data base everytime you go football, you could be stopped from going because you did something totally unrelated to football but they have your face on their data bank! that is the reality of facial recognition use....

Allan has anyone ever been stopped going to the football for a totally unrelated offense?? No.

Allan has anyone been picked up by facial recognition cameras abd stopped from entering the football for an unrelated offense?? No.

Stop saying "its the reality" when it's never happened so cant be.

it hasn't happened..?
we have had fans banned for 10 years after committing no criminal offence mate.

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

Local authorities are to be given laws to prosecute people for throwing litter out car
with cctv being used as evidence. Also cctv is used to prosecute dog fouling.... how long do you reckon it be before other surveillance methods are employed to prosecute people?

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

in answer to litter...yes it has been used.
and as above we have had fans banned for 10 years who had not committed or were convicted of any criminal offence...and CCTV was used in all those cases to make something out that wasn't... not sure the vast majority even know to what extent they are on camera let alone are in favour . they certainly were not asked that's for sure.

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

Local authorities are to be given laws to prosecute people for throwing litter out car
with cctv being used as evidence. Also cctv is used to prosecute dog fouling.... how long do you reckon it be before other surveillance methods are employed to prosecute people? Personal body cams are used already by various people as evidence of wrong doing: so methods are spreading whats next? thumbup:

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

Local authorities are to be given laws to prosecute people for throwing litter out car
with cctv being used as evidence. Also cctv is used to prosecute dog fouling.... how long do you reckon it be before other surveillance methods are employed to prosecute people? Personal body cams are used already by various people as evidence of wrong doing: so methods are spreading whats next? thumbup



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Side note the discussion we step having is about sundays game! Police are using facial recognition and any faces will be stored on database thats for sure, so they can put mine or your face on that database and would you know no! So that would be against your knowledge. Same for however many pictures
they take not one person would gave consented to it...

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

Local authorities are to be given laws to prosecute people for throwing litter out car
with cctv being used as evidence. Also cctv is used to prosecute dog fouling.... how long do you reckon it be before other surveillance methods are employed to prosecute people?

Those uses are not Police based but for Local Authorities. Does the prevention/detection of serious crime e.g. terrorism, murder, serious assault, rape etc outweigh the fact that your image may be captured on screen. Come back to the same argument if you have nothing to hide why are people so concerned? Regards Vince’s original post if you are not wanted or on a banning order why are you frightened of POSSIBLY having your image on a screen being monitored by Police as you walk into a football stadium. 99.9% of fans would not fit into this category if any.

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

Local authorities are to be given laws to prosecute people for throwing litter out car
with cctv being used as evidence. Also cctv is used to prosecute dog fouling.... how long do you reckon it be before other surveillance methods are employed to prosecute people?

Those uses are not Police based but for Local Authorities. Does the prevention/detection of serious crime e.g. terrorism, murder, serious assault, rape etc outweigh the fact that your image may be captured on screen. Come back to the same argument if you have nothing to hide why are people so concerned? Regards Vince’s original post if you are not wanted or on a banning order why are you frightened of POSSIBLY having your image on a screen being monitored by Police as you walk into a football stadium. 99.9% of fans would not fit into this category if any.

What about people who have been stopped because the system got it wrong? That as happened hence the concern about the technology being used, you ask for prove well it is common knowledge faces are being stored without permission it happened in Victoria London by private company with knowledge of met police! It is being stored and without peoples knowledge is that acceptable to you?

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

Local authorities are to be given laws to prosecute people for throwing litter out car
with cctv being used as evidence. Also cctv is used to prosecute dog fouling.... how long do you reckon it be before other surveillance methods are employed to prosecute people?

Those uses are not Police based but for Local Authorities. Does the prevention/detection of serious crime e.g. terrorism, murder, serious assault, rape etc outweigh the fact that your image may be captured on screen. Come back to the same argument if you have nothing to hide why are people so concerned? Regards Vince’s original post if you are not wanted or on a banning order why are you frightened of POSSIBLY having your image on a screen being monitored by Police as you walk into a football stadium. 99.9% of fans would not fit into this category if any.

What about people who have been stopped because the system got it wrong? That as happened hence the concern about the technology being used, you ask for prove well it is common knowledge faces are being stored without permission it happened in Victoria London by private company with knowledge of met police! It is being stored and without peoples knowledge is that acceptable to you?

VINNCE ALM:

South Wales Police are looking to trial AFR again this Sunday at the South Wales Derby match.

This is a breach of thousands of people right to privacy, it is also the thin end of the wedge of an advanced surveillance state where your bio metric data will be checked and run through systems. This data can be stored against your knowledge and used in the future against you although the police WILL deny this there is evidence of this already occurring.

Football fans are yet again the guinea pigs for this new technology which has a shocking success rate.

If this technology becomes widespread it will be the beginning of the end of society as we know.

"Smarter recognition safer community" it is a lie!

"Smarter and more policing safer community" is more like the slogan that is required.

The serious criminality the police say they want to prevent by using AFR is a diversion. The serious criminals are already one step ahead of this technology, this will be used for minor offences as time goes like littering, using a mobile phone when driving.

Education and boots on the ground worked for 100s of years, but with all the technology already at their fingertips crime is increasing as both education and boots on the ground decreases from our society.



DO NOT BE FOOLED

If there is enough interest I don't mind organising a protest on Sunday before the game

VINCE ALM

Can Vince/anyone please provide evidence of data being stored by the Police against your knowledge that will be used in the future? What evidence is there to suggest the the Police are going to use such technology for prosecuting people who drop litter, etc? Does that currently happen with all the CCTV coverage we have - no? Perhaps the Police have enough on their hands with all the major crimes that occur without stretching it to such incidents.

Some simple questions:

If you have nothing to hide why are people frightened of being viewed on camera?

CCTV in this country has not only been a huge deterrent in crime prevention but it has hugely assisted in the prosecution of offenders. Just look at the number of recent terrorist incidents in the UK. CCTV helps to keep people safe. If you are not a criminal why are you against that? Thankfully the vast majority of the public are law abiding and you will probably find that the vast majority support such measures.

There are very strict guidelines in place to ensure that people’s rights are respected throughout the legal system.

Local authorities are to be given laws to prosecute people for throwing litter out car
with cctv being used as evidence. Also cctv is used to prosecute dog fouling.... how long do you reckon it be before other surveillance methods are employed to prosecute people?

Those uses are not Police based but for Local Authorities. Does the prevention/detection of serious crime e.g. terrorism, murder, serious assault, rape etc outweigh the fact that your image may be captured on screen. Come back to the same argument if you have nothing to hide why are people so concerned? Regards Vince’s original post if you are not wanted or on a banning order why are you frightened of POSSIBLY having your image on a screen being monitored by Police as you walk into a football stadium. 99.9% of fans would not fit into this category if any.

What about people who have been stopped because the system got it wrong? That as happened hence the concern about the technology being used, you ask for prove well it is common knowledge faces are being stored without permission it happened in Victoria London by private company with knowledge of met police! It is being stored and without peoples knowledge is that acceptable to you?

Re ‘common knowledge’ can you please quote or attach the article that you are referring to? I note that it’s NOT the Police. Not that I would wish it upon anyone but if someone/a family member or close friend etc were seriously assaulted would you prefer the offender to be identified & convicted by CCTV or left to walk the streets to re offend? I would suggest that the vast majority of law abiding citizens support such technology. The benefits outweigh the worry of walking into a football stadium worrying whether your face has appeared on a screen.