Neil Harris has said that Cardiff City won't be spending any

Probably looking £2m loan fee for decent Prem player plus probably £30000 a week salary

Can't see us paying that

That is what people dont realise. They think loans are free. You still have big loan fees wages and agent fees to pay.

A 30k a week wage will be around £1.5million a year
Plus loan fee to club £1mill plus
Agent fees

The average loan for a season would cost around £3mill per player

Where have you pulled that figure from? If it cost that much to loan a player you wouldn't see as many prem players in the championship and leagues 1 and 2.

Probably looking £2m loan fee for decent Prem player plus probably £30000 a week salary

Can't see us paying that

That is what people dont realise. They think loans are free. You still have big loan fees wages and agent fees to pay.

A 30k a week wage will be around £1.5million a year
Plus loan fee to club £1mill plus
Agent fees

The average loan for a season would cost around £3mill per player

Where have you pulled that figure from? If it cost that much to loan a player you wouldn't see as many prem players in the championship and leagues 1 and 2.

i can imagine people like Arter and Camarasa did cost that sort of money , possibly more.
but its certainly cant be taken as an average , as you say some pretty decent players have previously been loaned out to clubs that would never afford that sort of cash..
i certainly don't see us bringing in a 3 million pound loan player..

Probably looking £2m loan fee for decent Prem player plus probably £30000 a week salary

Can't see us paying that

That is what people dont realise. They think loans are free. You still have big loan fees wages and agent fees to pay.

A 30k a week wage will be around £1.5million a year
Plus loan fee to club £1mill plus
Agent fees

The average loan for a season would cost around £3mill per player

Where have you pulled that figure from? If it cost that much to loan a player you wouldn't see as many prem players in the championship and leagues 1 and 2.

i can imagine people like Arter and Camarasa did cost that sort of money , possibly more.
but its certainly cant be taken as an average , as you say some pretty decent players have previously been loaned out to clubs that would never afford that sort of cash..
i certainly don't see us bringing in a 3 million pound loan player..

I do not doubt that they did come with big fees and wages. But there are players who are loaned out with the receiving club only paying a % of the players wages. All depends on the quality/circumstances of the player. Yea I agree, given that Harris has said we are looking at loans and free transfers it is probably safe to assume we will not be loaning anyone who will come with big fees/wages. Hopefully we do see a loan or two coming in as the squad needs strengthening in certain positions. The league is so tight this year - a win could see us go 6th or a loss down to 13th. A decent signing or 2 could mean the difference to finishing mid table or top 6.

I fail to see how people think that the parachute payments are available to sign players they are built to pay for the increased wages and transfer deals that occurred when joining the premier league

I guarantee those players had promotion bonuses and wage rises but they don’t necessarily without a new negotiation the year you are promoted have a relegation reduction clause, it’s hard to know exactly what our players are earning given we were promoted and relegated within one season

For example a 10k increase on one players wages is 520k a year...

We may have offloaded zohore and Reid potentially this summer but there’s no guarantee to how these deals are structured either they could be only part payment now spread over a few seasons or appearances etc

I would still expect our year end results to show a loss for last season just the same as last promotion and the parachute payments Will cover increased wages and expenses the next two seasons with maybe a few small additions

Some people live in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to figures and forget this club was still running at a loss during most championship seasons prior to promotion

Well put

Probably looking £2m loan fee for decent Prem player plus probably £30000 a week salary

Can't see us paying that

That is what people dont realise. They think loans are free. You still have big loan fees wages and agent fees to pay.

A 30k a week wage will be around £1.5million a year
Plus loan fee to club £1mill plus
Agent fees

The average loan for a season would cost around £3mill per player

Where have you pulled that figure from? If it cost that much to loan a player you wouldn't see as many prem players in the championship and leagues 1 and 2.

i can imagine people like Arter and Camarasa did cost that sort of money , possibly more.
but its certainly cant be taken as an average , as you say some pretty decent players have previously been loaned out to clubs that would never afford that sort of cash..
i certainly don't see us bringing in a 3 million pound loan player..

I do not doubt that they did come with big fees and wages. But there are players who are loaned out with the receiving club only paying a % of the players wages. All depends on the quality/circumstances of the player. Yea I agree, given that Harris has said we are looking at loans and free transfers it is probably safe to assume we will not be loaning anyone who will come with big fees/wages. Hopefully we do see a loan or two coming in as the squad needs strengthening in certain positions. The league is so tight this year - a win could see us go 6th or a loss down to 13th. A decent signing or 2 could mean the difference to finishing mid table or top 6.

yep they come in all shapes sizes and amounts each different..
last year Tomlin found himself at Peterborough with ourselves paying most of the wages.
its not that long back bellers was here with Citeh doing much the same
and in between those 2 Emyr Hughes went to Ipswich who were only prepared to pay 7k a wk which was exactly how much we were prepared to subsidise it...so the boy decided to take a hit for the rest of the money so he got game time..
all different all down to circumstances

Harris hasnt got a say in the matter of signing anyone ffs, its the board that need to cough up the coinage!!! or stay in the championship.......personally, ide rather stay in this league rather than watch the plastics of the prem and put up with all the bull shit of VAR. true fans..proper football, no bollocks or plastics...

Harris hasnt got a say in the matter of signing anyone ffs, its the board that need to cough up the coinage!!! or stay in the championship.......personally, ide rather stay in this league rather than watch the plastics of the prem and put up with all the bull shit of VAR. true fans..proper football, no bollocks or plastics...

Id prefer the club to be run sustainably but the aim has got to be the prem. the way they are using VAR is spoiling the game and it is annoying to see all the plastics come out of the woodwork when we are doing well but that happens at all clubs. But I’d much prefer to deal with that in the prem than see us tread water in championship and settle for mid table finishes. If this club is ever going to reach its potential we need to be playing in the prem.

I fail to see how people think that the parachute payments are available to sign players they are built to pay for the increased wages and transfer deals that occurred when joining the premier league

I guarantee those players had promotion bonuses and wage rises but they don’t necessarily without a new negotiation the year you are promoted have a relegation reduction clause, it’s hard to know exactly what our players are earning given we were promoted and relegated within one season

For example a 10k increase on one players wages is 520k a year...

We may have offloaded zohore and Reid potentially this summer but there’s no guarantee to how these deals are structured either they could be only part payment now spread over a few seasons or appearances etc

I would still expect our year end results to show a loss for last season just the same as last promotion and the parachute payments Will cover increased wages and expenses the next two seasons with maybe a few small additions

Some people live in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to figures and forget this club was still running at a loss during most championship seasons prior to promotion

Not cloud cuckoo land but a reasonable estimate based on what the club has to publish in its accounts. I agree we were running at a loss in previous years but we should be turning a healthy profit now. The promotion bonuses were included in the previous years accounts, so if we lost money the year we came back down then whoever is in charge of the finances needs sacking. With 100 million from the tv rights, an average gate of 30,000+ and increased sponsorship income, turnover must have been close to 140 million, so we should have made a reasonable profit.

Shame we can’t recoup some cash on Murphy and madine......

And Flint and pack.