" VAR - all time low? "

Offside law states you are offside if any part of body except hands and arms are forward of last player? two decisions yesterday was judged offside because hand or elbow were deemed in front of defender.. so var do not know laws of football..

It needs to be used at the behest of one of the teams. The captain or manager can call for it three times during a game. If correct then they keep their review. Extra would be serious foul play that might be missed.

That would stop the absolute clangers like Chelsea’s offside goal v us. If we had used our three up then on our head be it.

Currently, as the song goes, it’s not football.

or just bin it. 6 VAR stops a game and maybe goals , pens not given because teams have run out of claims... that's got to be worse ?

Yeah binning it would be better. But there has to be something that takes away a huge miscarriage of justice.

Maybe one decision a game then like our offside v Chelsea.

It needs to be used at the behest of one of the teams. The captain or manager can call for it three times during a game. If correct then they keep their review. Extra would be serious foul play that might be missed.

That would stop the absolute clangers like Chelsea’s offside goal v us. If we had used our three up then on our head be it.

Currently, as the song goes, it’s not football.

or just bin it. 6 VAR stops a game and maybe goals , pens not given because teams have run out of claims... that's got to be worse ?

Yeah binning it would be better. But there has to be something that takes away a huge miscarriage of justice.

Maybe one decision a game then like our offside v Chelsea.

How often do you get such decisions in a season? And bet you wont see that again because linos will never put themselves in the position the plonker did against Chelsea! Binnning it is best idea because havent seen that many errors by refs that have been major ? What I would like seen is var not give penalties for players deliberately going into defender or goalie its 90% of penalties given now it's worse than diving, but they dont sude with defender nott once this season..

Taking to long with simple decisions liverpool score goal, but ref blows after ball in net for handball but ball clearly hit shoulder with 1st look on replay! It took several minutes for var to decide when one look would tell anyone it was not handball..

Another hand offside so wolves get goal disallowed.. pathetic

This one has also just been ruled out for offside...

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It ruining the game....Its not there to chalk off goals.

Who states where the VAR lines go ????

This one has also just been ruled out for offside...

Ned, after yesterday it HAD to be ruled offside but it really is ruining the game at such small margins

On the flip side tough, the initial (Liverpool) goal was the positive side of VAR when it was clear it was the shoulder and not the hand

This one has also just been ruled out for offside...

Ned, after yesterday it HAD to be ruled offside but it really is ruining the game at such small margins

On the flip side tough, the initial (Liverpool) goal was the positive side of VAR when it was clear it was the shoulder and not the hand

Looked like Wolves had their goal ruled out due to fingers being offside. Wouldn't bother me if they scrapped VAR.

This one has also just been ruled out for offside...

Ned, after yesterday it HAD to be ruled offside but it really is ruining the game at such small margins

On the flip side tough, the initial (Liverpool) goal was the positive side of VAR when it was clear it was the shoulder and not the hand

Looked like Wolves had their goal ruled out due to fingers being offside. Wouldn't bother me if they scrapped VAR.

I'm with you, Steve and said that from the start

All for goal-line technology and maybe penalty area issues but VAR can only get more and more involved as time goes on, which will be detrimental to the spectacle and spontaneity of football

This one has also just been ruled out for offside...

Ned, after yesterday it HAD to be ruled offside but it really is ruining the game at such small margins

On the flip side tough, the initial (Liverpool) goal was the positive side of VAR when it was clear it was the shoulder and not the hand

Looked like Wolves had their goal ruled out due to fingers being offside. Wouldn't bother me if they scrapped VAR.

I'm with you, Steve and said that from the start

All for goal-line technology and maybe penalty area issues but VAR can only get more and more involved as time goes on, which will be detrimental to the spectacle and spontaneity of football

Spoiling the game for me. I like cheering when the ball hits the net, not a minute later when VAR says that we just scored.

Van Dijk handled the ball in the lead up to the Liverpool goal.

This one has also just been ruled out for offside...

Ned, after yesterday it HAD to be ruled offside but it really is ruining the game at such small margins

On the flip side tough, the initial (Liverpool) goal was the positive side of VAR when it was clear it was the shoulder and not the hand

Apparently it was reviewed for ref blowing before or after ball in net? As ref had blown for handball! The handball was easy decision

Van Dijk handled the ball in the lead up to the Liverpool goal.

They said inconclusive! fact is they wont admit to var being wrong if do that then its obsolete! People justifying the offside decisions by saying if offside your offside even by 1mm, but they are giving offside when its arm or hand offside and is wrong according to the rules..

Van Dijk handled the ball in the lead up to the Liverpool goal.

They said inconclusive! fact is they wont admit to var being wrong if do that then its obsolete! People justifying the offside decisions by saying if offside your offside even by 1mm, but they are giving offside when its arm or hand offside and is wrong according to the rules..

it needs fans to protest. and managers who have just benefitted by VAR to be big enough to criticise it...

Van Dijk handled the ball in the lead up to the Liverpool goal.

They said inconclusive! fact is they wont admit to var being wrong if do that then its obsolete! People justifying the offside decisions by saying if offside your offside even by 1mm, but they are giving offside when its arm or hand offside and is wrong according to the rules..

it needs fans to protest. and managers who have just benefitted by VAR to be big enough to criticise it...

Think.managers are beginning to dislike it Santos wouldn't comment on it wilder not happy saying it is not helping game? Even klopp wouldn't support it today....and its suppose to be doing that?. As for fans well even those that benefit are abusing it! What is worrying is that no one from authorities is coming out to say what's going to happen because it obviously cannot continue in present way? Anyway once sort out offside if do that of course, we will start to see var having more influence on decisions prior to goals like fouls handball ect in build up to goals because managers will demand it. That's what's happened in rugby now see reviews 2 mins before try is scored but started only for tryline incidents...

It needs to be used at the behest of one of the teams. The captain or manager can call for it three times during a game. If correct then they keep their review. Extra would be serious foul play that might be missed.

That would stop the absolute clangers like Chelsea’s offside goal v us. If we had used our three up then on our head be it.

Currently, as the song goes, it’s not football.

or just bin it. 6 VAR stops a game and maybe goals , pens not given because teams have run out of claims... that's got to be worse ?

Yeah binning it would be better. But there has to be something that takes away a huge miscarriage of justice.

Maybe one decision a game then like our offside v Chelsea.

personally id prefer to live with an unsighted lino. its not like it was an every weekend thing like VAR is at present..

It needs to be used at the behest of one of the teams. The captain or manager can call for it three times during a game. If correct then they keep their review. Extra would be serious foul play that might be missed.

That would stop the absolute clangers like Chelsea’s offside goal v us. If we had used our three up then on our head be it.

Currently, as the song goes, it’s not football.

or just bin it. 6 VAR stops a game and maybe goals , pens not given because teams have run out of claims... that's got to be worse ?

Yeah binning it would be better. But there has to be something that takes away a huge miscarriage of justice.

Maybe one decision a game then like our offside v Chelsea.

personally id prefer to live with an unsighted lino. its not like it was an every weekend thing like VAR is at present..

Agree chelsea was a one off occurrence that i doubt will ever be repeated! How many really bad decisions are made each season? Not enough to warrant the stupidity that is var! I have no confidence that they will stop the nonsense happening at moment with new guidelines because they think var is getting the right decision every offside.

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Var because before var all the incidents seen yesterday would have been deemed in line with last defender which is onside according to the laws! but because they microscopically look at pictures it supposedly distinguishes being offside by a toe nail or armpit hair! I said need to be the foot offside as guideline ages ago and Graham souness said same yesterday. And that is the best solution for the debacle we're seeing now.

Now let's see if premier league see common sense with way var is used?

Football's law-makers say the video assistant referee system should not be "too forensic" when it comes to offsides - and should only be used to reverse "clear and obvious" errors. Five goals in the Premier League were ruled out at the weekend for marginal offsides, leading some managers and players to criticise VAR. Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust." He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February. "If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said. "In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand. This is the problem. People are trying to be too forensic. We are not looking to make a better decision, we are trying to get rid of the clear and obvious mistakes.

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Var because before var all the incidents seen yesterday would have been deemed in line with last defender which is onside according to the laws! but because they microscopically look at pictures it supposedly distinguishes being offside by a toe nail or armpit hair! I said need to be the foot offside as guideline ages ago and Graham souness said same yesterday. And that is the best solution for the debacle we're seeing now.

According to Mark Clattenburg this would be impossible to implement as it would mean making it one rule for the premier league and another for the rest of football.

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Var because before var all the incidents seen yesterday would have been deemed in line with last defender which is onside according to the laws! but because they microscopically look at pictures it supposedly distinguishes being offside by a toe nail or armpit hair! I said need to be the foot offside as guideline ages ago and Graham souness said same yesterday. And that is the best solution for the debacle we're seeing now.

According to Mark Clattenburg this would be impossible to implement as it would mean making it one rule for the premier league and another for the rest of football.

Well if you look ar article from law makers I posted its basically saying if at 1st look you cannot see offside then var should not be intervening..... the law as it stands for all football is forward of last man efl its human eye that decides that in var case technology is used to see it.... having foot as offside guide would apply to all leagues and again efl would be human to see it in premier it will be var so no different to rules now . Except makes it easier for var to determine offside.. otherwise if dont change things have the same farce now.... before var these decisions given would be classed as inline so not offside! Doing nothing is not option is it?

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Var because before var all the incidents seen yesterday would have been deemed in line with last defender which is onside according to the laws! but because they microscopically look at pictures it supposedly distinguishes being offside by a toe nail or armpit hair! I said need to be the foot offside as guideline ages ago and Graham souness said same yesterday. And that is the best solution for the debacle we're seeing now.

According to Mark Clattenburg this would be impossible to implement as it would mean making it one rule for the premier league and another for the rest of football.

Well if you look ar article from law makers I posted its basically saying if at 1st look you cannot see offside then var should not be intervening..... the law as it stands for all football is forward of last man efl its human eye that decides that in var case technology is used to see it.... having foot as offside guide would apply to all leagues and again efl would be human to see it in premier it will be var so no different to rules now . Except makes it easier for var to determine offside.. otherwise if dont change things have the same farce now.... before var these decisions given would be classed as inline so not offside! Doing nothing is not option is it?

I don’t quite understand your grammar or what you’re saying exactly but I’m just quoting what he said as someone that understands the VAR system as well as the laws of the game better than you or me.

He also says that VAR should not be used for the offside and go back to assistant referees but that’s just his opinion.

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Var because before var all the incidents seen yesterday would have been deemed in line with last defender which is onside according to the laws! but because they microscopically look at pictures it supposedly distinguishes being offside by a toe nail or armpit hair! I said need to be the foot offside as guideline ages ago and Graham souness said same yesterday. And that is the best solution for the debacle we're seeing now.

According to Mark Clattenburg this would be impossible to implement as it would mean making it one rule for the premier league and another for the rest of football.

Well if you look ar article from law makers I posted its basically saying if at 1st look you cannot see offside then var should not be intervening..... the law as it stands for all football is forward of last man efl its human eye that decides that in var case technology is used to see it.... having foot as offside guide would apply to all leagues and again efl would be human to see it in premier it will be var so no different to rules now . Except makes it easier for var to determine offside.. otherwise if dont change things have the same farce now.... before var these decisions given would be classed as inline so not offside! Doing nothing is not option is it?

I don’t quite understand your grammar or what you’re saying exactly but I’m just quoting what he said as someone that understands the VAR system as well as the laws of the game better than you or me.

He also says that VAR should not be used for the offside and go back to assistant referees but that’s just his opinion.

Offside should be taken away from var that
I agree.... was just saying that if you change definition of offside for var it will apply to all football and nothing will change linesman gives decision in EFL var in premier league ... but doing nothing is not option

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Var because before var all the incidents seen yesterday would have been deemed in line with last defender which is onside according to the laws! but because they microscopically look at pictures it supposedly distinguishes being offside by a toe nail or armpit hair! I said need to be the foot offside as guideline ages ago and Graham souness said same yesterday. And that is the best solution for the debacle we're seeing now.

According to Mark Clattenburg this would be impossible to implement as it would mean making it one rule for the premier league and another for the rest of football.

Well if you look ar article from law makers I posted its basically saying if at 1st look you cannot see offside then var should not be intervening..... the law as it stands for all football is forward of last man efl its human eye that decides that in var case technology is used to see it.... having foot as offside guide would apply to all leagues and again efl would be human to see it in premier it will be var so no different to rules now . Except makes it easier for var to determine offside.. otherwise if dont change things have the same farce now.... before var these decisions given would be classed as inline so not offside! Doing nothing is not option is it?

I don’t quite understand your grammar or what you’re saying exactly but I’m just quoting what he said as someone that understands the VAR system as well as the laws of the game better than you or me.

He also says that VAR should not be used for the offside and go back to assistant referees but that’s just his opinion.

Offside should be taken away from var that
I agree.... was just saying that if you change definition of offside for var it will apply to all football and nothing will change linesman gives decision in EFL var in premier league ... but doing nothing is not option

Yeah I agree. It’s here to stay and they will have to make changes for it to continue and improve.

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Var because before var all the incidents seen yesterday would have been deemed in line with last defender which is onside according to the laws! but because they microscopically look at pictures it supposedly distinguishes being offside by a toe nail or armpit hair! I said need to be the foot offside as guideline ages ago and Graham souness said same yesterday. And that is the best solution for the debacle we're seeing now.

According to Mark Clattenburg this would be impossible to implement as it would mean making it one rule for the premier league and another for the rest of football.

Well if you look ar article from law makers I posted its basically saying if at 1st look you cannot see offside then var should not be intervening..... the law as it stands for all football is forward of last man efl its human eye that decides that in var case technology is used to see it.... having foot as offside guide would apply to all leagues and again efl would be human to see it in premier it will be var so no different to rules now . Except makes it easier for var to determine offside.. otherwise if dont change things have the same farce now.... before var these decisions given would be classed as inline so not offside! Doing nothing is not option is it?

I don’t quite understand your grammar or what you’re saying exactly but I’m just quoting what he said as someone that understands the VAR system as well as the laws of the game better than you or me.

He also says that VAR should not be used for the offside and go back to assistant referees but that’s just his opinion.

Offside should be taken away from var that
I agree.... was just saying that if you change definition of offside for var it will apply to all football and nothing will change linesman gives decision in EFL var in premier league ... but doing nothing is not option

Yeah I agree. It’s here to stay and they will have to make changes for it to continue and improve.

The point of using feet as a guide was because var needs a focal point to measure offside ! Not sure if there is anything else that is simple to use as guide... only thing I could think of that is useable worldwide is clear air between players now that is simple to use and var could see immediately so no need to look at countless angles and use lines ... but got feeling that nothing will change law wise but var have been told not to phorensically disect offside? If var can take one look see its marginal like recent incidents and not interfere that would also work.

Is this decision really VARs "fault" or the laws of offside?

Var because before var all the incidents seen yesterday would have been deemed in line with last defender which is onside according to the laws! but because they microscopically look at pictures it supposedly distinguishes being offside by a toe nail or armpit hair! I said need to be the foot offside as guideline ages ago and Graham souness said same yesterday. And that is the best solution for the debacle we're seeing now.

According to Mark Clattenburg this would be impossible to implement as it would mean making it one rule for the premier league and another for the rest of football.

I think he is wrong....the introduction of VAR only at certain games means football is played to different rules already ?
secondly.. frames per second used for VAR is 60 and top speeds achieved by prem players exceed 35kph...which means frame 1 onside , next frame offside ? somewhere in between the ball is released .
the player running to receive the ball if at full tilt can cover 16cm … so therefore a 1cm call which weve seen about 20 of are best guesses. and could actually be correcting a correct linesman.....if my maths is wrong please tell me but I think im ok..

Another one just now for Villa at Burnley

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Yeah ! Another shocker ! And fans are left frustrated with the delays,etc.

No way the officials on the pitch can give these decisions and therefore are being made to look incompetent!
Let’s get the referee taking a quick look pitch side for a clear reason not to give the goal.To the naked eye that looks level therefore it’s a goal likewise Wolves and Norwich goals ! We don’t need all these laser beam lines and dashes !!