MY VIEW: A VERY POOR & DIRE GAME OVER ALL & ENDED IN

Fking bag of shit, why do we play with wingers? Murphy standing around most the match making no runs, Mendez only really mad some runs of loose balls

What was the point in replacing Warnock and then Dalman saying they wanted to go in a new direction only to appoint Harris who is a poor man's Warnock.

What was the game plan today, because I have no idea.

That was after a good weeks training stated by NH.
Hard to see where you start when we have so many players who lack energy and pace.

Bit prospective none of top 10 are winning at moment! Season hasn't ended yet for season

Not sure who Lee Harris is unless we changed our manager again!!

You have to give the manager time to get his ideas across and also a few transfer windows to bring int the players he wants.

If this is such a quality squad that everyone keeps talking about why did Neil Warnock not have us in the top two with his track record - so many on here kept saying he was the best man for the job to get us promoted - clearly he was not and should have gone the season he got us promoted.

We have played shit football for a couple of seasons now and are paying the price for poor transfer windows during the same period.

I am sure we will see players leave in January and some new faces come in but people on here giving the manager a fair crack of the whip just because he is not a name you all wanted is harsh to say the least.

I have been saying for ages this is not a quality squad. We are a mid table side who will not be relegated but is not good enough to be promoted. I blame Warnock for a net spend of £49 million to produce a very ordinary side. We lack pace are not very good at passing the ball but at least have a certain hard to beat stubbornness. It doesn't help that a few players are underperforming. Murphy was dreadful today,how did we pay £10 million for him?

Can't really blame Harris,he inherited this underperforming lot. To be honest he has not improved them much. Maybe the players realise there is nothing to much to play for and are not to bothered. Run in the cup is our only hope for a bit of glory this season.

Not sure who Lee Harris is unless we changed our manager again!!

You have to give the manager time to get his ideas across and also a few transfer windows to bring int the players he wants.

If this is such a quality squad that everyone keeps talking about why did Neil Warnock not have us in the top two with his track record - so many on here kept saying he was the best man for the job to get us promoted - clearly he was not and should have gone the season he got us promoted.

We have played shit football for a couple of seasons now and are paying the price for poor transfer windows during the same period.

I am sure we will see players leave in January and some new faces come in but people on here giving the manager a fair crack of the whip just because he is not a name you all wanted is harsh to say the least.

It cannot be easy trying to get the players to change tactics? after all the players brought in was for a specific reason and style! We were poor but there again did we loss against a team above us? As said before they were better team but then again thats nothing new for us but we stay in every game regardless of how poor we are playing so hope is always there especially if NH can bring in required players January.

I have been saying for ages this is not a quality squad. We are a mid table side who will not be relegated but is not good enough to be promoted. I blame Warnock for a net spend of £49 million to produce a very ordinary side. We lack pace are not very good at passing the ball but at least have a certain hard to beat stubbornness. It doesn't help that a few players are underperforming. Murphy was dreadful today,how did we pay £10 million for him?

Can't really blame Harris,he inherited this underperforming lot. To be honest he has not improved them much. Maybe the players realise there is nothing to much to play for and are not to bothered. Run in the cup is our only hope for a bit of glory this season.

Agree with most of that. I have not been able to share the views of those who say we have a quality squad, and particularly those who had us nailed down as being in play offs at the end of the season. I have believed since the start of the season that we could finish in the top ten, and the table today gives us a fairly accurate picture of how good we are. It's all fairly tight, and I still think top ten can be achieved, but I think that would be as good as it will get for us this season.

I have been saying for ages this is not a quality squad. We are a mid table side who will not be relegated but is not good enough to be promoted. I blame Warnock for a net spend of £49 million to produce a very ordinary side. We lack pace are not very good at passing the ball but at least have a certain hard to beat stubbornness. It doesn't help that a few players are underperforming. Murphy was dreadful today,how did we pay £10 million for him?

Can't really blame Harris,he inherited this underperforming lot. To be honest he has not improved them much. Maybe the players realise there is nothing to much to play for and are not to bothered. Run in the cup is our only hope for a bit of glory this season.

Agree with most of that. I have not been able to share the views of those who say we have a quality squad, and particularly those who had us nailed down as being in play offs at the end of the season. I have believed since the start of the season that we could finish in the top ten, and the table today gives us a fairly accurate picture of how good we are. It's all fairly tight, and I still think top ten can be achieved, but I think that would be as good as it will get for us this season.

Steve it's one step forward two back but here again that applies to every team in championship this season! It's all ifs and buts for us if we can only string a 3or4 winning run but we can't yet? Otherwise be up there again.. as side note we are 15 points worse off than promotion season mainly due to away form

Never mind winning 3 or 4 games on the bounce, it would be nice string 3 or 4 passes together ,unfortunately it is that bad at the moment

Never mind winning 3 or 4 games on the bounce, it would be nice string 3 or 4 passes together ,unfortunately it is that bad at the moment

Yes from what radio was saying but a lot of poor games today apparently in championship! But being a city fan need to be optimistic otherwise season over before it begins.. not all lost yet as only couple points away again! And considering fans views on here you'd think we were going down? As for promotion via playoffs no one as gone straight back up since Newcastle and they kept their entire premier side to do it so always hope.

Never mind winning 3 or 4 games on the bounce, it would be nice string 3 or 4 passes together ,unfortunately it is that bad at the moment

Correct.

I had a bet with my mate today as to how long we would have possession from our kick off in the second half. I said five seconds before we gave the ball away, he reckoned ten seconds.

It was actually three seconds.

Awful game from both sides

Tomlin getting really frustrated he chased everything !! noone is on his level today apart from bacuna

Get a you raw hungry striker in january and take the chance.

What was the point in replacing Warnock and then Dalman saying they wanted to go in a new direction only to appoint Harris who is a poor man's Warnock.

What was the game plan today, because I have no idea.

That was after a good weeks training stated by NH.
Hard to see where you start when we have so many players who lack energy and pace.

Pleased to see someone else querying Dalmans role in this. Squad is what squad is after x number of windows overseen by our not fit for purpose transfer committee of which only Sir Neil has changed

Never mind winning 3 or 4 games on the bounce, it would be nice string 3 or 4 passes together ,unfortunately it is that bad at the moment

Agree

I have been saying for ages this is not a quality squad. We are a mid table side who will not be relegated but is not good enough to be promoted. I blame Warnock for a net spend of £49 million to produce a very ordinary side. We lack pace are not very good at passing the ball but at least have a certain hard to beat stubbornness. It doesn't help that a few players are underperforming. Murphy was dreadful today,how did we pay £10 million for him?

Can't really blame Harris,he inherited this underperforming lot. To be honest he has not improved them much. Maybe the players realise there is nothing to much to play for and are not to bothered. Run in the cup is our only hope for a bit of glory this season.

Agree with most of that. I have not been able to share the views of those who say we have a quality squad, and particularly those who had us nailed down as being in play offs at the end of the season. I have believed since the start of the season that we could finish in the top ten, and the table today gives us a fairly accurate picture of how good we are. It's all fairly tight, and I still think top ten can be achieved, but I think that would be as good as it will get for us this season.

Steve it's one step forward two back but here again that applies to every team in championship this season! It's all ifs and buts for us if we can only string a 3or4 winning run but we can't yet? Otherwise be up there again.. as side note we are 15 points worse off than promotion season mainly due to away form

Optimism required. Let's not forget we have Bogle and Vassel on the sidelines waiting their chance.

Reality is we are still in the playoff mix. God knows how. Any more points away and we'd be better placed. Three wins on the bounce and its all to play for.

Never mind winning 3 or 4 games on the bounce, it would be nice string 3 or 4 passes together ,unfortunately it is that bad at the moment

Correct.

I had a bet with my mate today as to how long we would have possession from our kick off in the second half. I said five seconds before we gave the ball away, he reckoned ten seconds.

It was actually three seconds.

Did he knock it short or did he miss a pass from 50 yrds? Because sides do that and lose ball after 3secs... but take point our passing needs urgent attention especially from certain players.

Don’t see anyone going berserk in the stands anymore at that. I think it’s just accepted now.. we’re shit.

I don't agree with the comments claiming we have a quality squad. I think we have an average squad, and that is reflected in our league position. We are now half way through the season, and at this stage the league placings are a good indication of how good each team really is. I think we will finish roughly where we are today, and still believe a top ten finish is not beyond us. Two draws against the second and third placed sides is not too bad, but today's performance was very poor. I think some fans think we are a good side, but personally I think we are a long way behind the best sides in this league.

Absolutely spot on mate, you knocked the nail smack on the head.

For me our sqaud is lacking key players. CM we're seriously lacking. Full backs again a weakness. We haven't had a goal scorer since Faizer Campbell and you wouldn't even say he was a natural finisher.

Simple were also in a transition between managers. We havent played decent football since the Dave Jones era.

Theres a massive job if were looking to change playing style.

I dont think Neil Harris was a brave decision and I cant see him ripping up any trees.

Quality squad??

Name me any player that gets in Leeds first team or West Brom?

As I said in the match thread determination and confidence got us promoted under warnock we lost that after relagation hence why he’s not here and the squad was shown up for what it is, unbalanced lacking creativity, pace and the ability to string any passes together

It’s been pedestrian all season I’m amazed Harris has managed 12 points in 7 games to be honest

We need new centre backs, new full backs new wingers and a new midfield engine

Overhaul fully in my Opinion I said before a ball was kicked a midfield pairing of bacuna and ralls would not get us close to top 6 no creativity and both pass sideways more than they do forward as they can’t spot a pass

Laing and Murphy are missing 85 mins of any game they start, the strikers feed off scraps and moments of tomlin brilliance that’s it

Morrison and flint are too slow Bennett is ok but needs a rest, Richards ok if he can stay fit which I doubt Peltier solid but not a defender at his age for promotion

Vaulks not seen enough but what I have he ain’t the answer

Pack has been solid ish but lacks pace and when he does try to start moves off he’s got static wingers in front of him

Glatzel needs space ball to his head are no good and madine needs early balls in which can’t happen Cos there’s a 50 foot gap between our static wingers and him

We are about where we should be in the table and 12th place finish is no more than I expect and have said from august

Spot on. Completely agree

Its been a long time since we put in a good performance at home and hard to see when the next good performance is going to come from.
It could so easily have been Slade in charge such was the standard of performance.
Absolutely atrocious
Lets hope we can move a good 6 players out and bring in 3 or 4 players of quality ie players who can pass !

Agreed

And considering fans views on here you'd think we were going down? As for promotion via playoffs no one as gone straight back up since Newcastle and they kept their entire premier side to do it so always hope. [/quote]

Its not so much that al,, its just that some of the players struggle with the basics, time and time again.

Saying that, was looking back at the 85/6/7 games today and remembering some of them...Doncaster home L 1-2 Att 1,867 or something like that. And here I am moaning about misplaced passes in front of 18,000.

And considering fans views on here you'd think we were going down? As for promotion via playoffs no one as gone straight back up since Newcastle and they kept their entire premier side to do it so always hope.

Its not so much that al,, its just that some of the players struggle with the basics, time and time again.

Saying that, was looking back at the 85/6/7 games today and remembering some of them...Doncaster home L 1-2 Att 1,867 or something like that. And here I am moaning about misplaced passes in front of 18,000.[/quote]


I know some players are far from perfect but we are 3points off playoffs 5 off 3rd are the teams fans above us as pessimistic as ours? Everyone of them have lost to teams that they expect to beat and bet all of them play good football compared to us? So if we are crap where are the points coming from to be up with these superior teams? At present it is what it is and thats down to recruiting now is that solely committees fault or did NW have final say after all he chose players he wanted and refused to play them Eg TOMLIN, NH needs to be given chance if not get rid bring in young manager and take the risks that incurs ? Bet wont be long before he rould be wrong choice as well..
Ps if we were that poor why didn't a superior team beat us?

People trying to defend that performance it was awful... generally this league is week this year beneath the top 2 and to be where we are within it says a lot.

Murphy was terrible. Not fit to wear the shirt

People trying to defend that performance it was awful... generally this league is week this year beneath the top 2 and to be where we are within it says a lot.

Well if we were awful they must been worse not to beat us because they certainly were not unlucky to win so bet their fans are thinking the same as ours that their team is crap because they only drew with such a shi'ite team.....same thing probably goes for past 5 or so games! Funny how this league is always crap every year why cant it be competitive? .

Didn’t miss Bennett Morrison or Ralls.

Need a pair of decent wing backs, lose one of the wingers, add a decent central midfielder and play higher up the pitch. It’ll make all the difference

He’s horrible but you can’t fault the quality of those long balls by Gallagher

Today was dire. Thankfully that Daniel Johnson wasn’t playing

SHOTS

CARDIFF 3 PRESTON 16

Shots on target

Cardiff 1 Preston 1

Sounds like stats for forest game? Will say listening to the game they lacked creativity but we lacked enthusiasm to go forward? Going to be an up & down season that's for sure..

Allan, We totally lacked creativity.

For me Harris is not the right man, theres a quality squad there

Agree about quality squad not sure about Harris st moment think part of problem is certain players not performing at all? Laing as been next to useless for awhile Murphy not much better, us players out long term being pushed in last minute like today and what we have is an unbalanced team unable to get time together to form partnerships! Need to hope his buying players is good because we need something in January to alter things.

How can you say we have a quality squad when for the best part of 2-3 seasons we have hardly been ably to string more than a couple of passes together ?

You only have to go back a few seasons to see how it should be done, with the likes of Mutch, Whitts, Kimbo, McPhail etc. I accept that in general terms they were no more successful than today's crop but I fear if we persist with this brand of 'football' our decline will be much quicker than people think.

Why dont we ever try to play the ball in front of our wingers, or have them do a 1-2 to beat the full back.

We do have some good players and Murphy and EML do have pace, Whyte aint slow either.

Im just so confused how we never use then properly

SHOTS

CARDIFF 3 PRESTON 16

Shots on target

Cardiff 1 Preston 1

Sounds like stats for forest game? Will say listening to the game they lacked creativity but we lacked enthusiasm to go forward? Going to be an up & down season that's for sure..

Allan, We totally lacked creativity.

For me Harris is not the right man, theres a quality squad there

Agree about quality squad not sure about Harris st moment think part of problem is certain players not performing at all? Laing as been next to useless for awhile Murphy not much better, us players out long term being pushed in last minute like today and what we have is an unbalanced team unable to get time together to form partnerships! Need to hope his buying players is good because we need something in January to alter things.

How can you say we have a quality squad when for the best part of 2-3 seasons we have hardly been ably to string more than a couple of passes together ?

You only have to go back a few seasons to see how it should be done, with the likes of Mutch, Whitts, Kimbo, McPhail etc. I accept that in general terms they were no more successful than today's crop but I fear if we persist with this brand of 'football' our decline will be much quicker than people think.

Yes a squad that is 3 points off playoffs our so called brand as been ridiculed by own fans yet it got us promotion and competitive in nearly all our games bar 1 this season, you need take look at stats before resiseding over our demise above average in relevant ones except away wins and only 12 goals less scored than top team ! Football is about more than pretty possession football! Yes our style is hard on the eye and peseved as crap but take away blinkers of how other teams play and we are more than competitive with anyone..