O/T Politics: Congratulations

im a remainer, but accepted the brexit verdict, no matter how much i disagreed with it, and thought it was stupid. all i heard from alot of remainers was, we want a second referendum, what about the 48% of us etc.

well corbyn was your chance for that, and the tories, just smashed labour, and that tells me, remaining isnt that big of a priority. people wanted brexit done and thats why they voted for boris.

I cant help but have the feeling of deja vu with this. Many Remain politicians and celebrities are refusing to except last weeks result with any grace let alone good grace. Clearly they're finished in frustrating Brexit in Parliament but I'll be surprised if we've seen the last of Anna Soubry, Gina Miller and Alastair Campbell just yet.

I cant help but have the feeling of deja vu with this. Many Remain politicians and celebrities are refusing to except last weeks result with any grace let alone good grace. Clearly they're finished in frustrating Brexit in Parliament but I'll be surprised if we've seen the last of Anna Soubry, Gina Miller and Alastair Campbell just yet.

no doubt somewhere down the line there will be a uk back in Europe party. or such

All this from a man who thinks an independent Wales would make us all rich, by selling water to the English

well by his and Adam Prices figures it would.
3pence per litre when a 4 person household uses 148,000 litres per year equates to £ 4,440 a year water rates over and above what they pay now. if it came to it my money would on the English building a few damns..

Allowing 5 years to complete the dams, approx 10,000,000 households in England that’s 22billion divide by one million Welsh homes that’s £4,000 or possibly £44,000 per household fekkin hell Barry will be like St Tropez.

they actually did a projection based on the percentage of water they get from Wales. which worked out quite a bit less gain per household in Wales , but the 3 pence per litre is unrealistic.

You must bear in mind Dianne Abbott was my maths teacher

I cant help but have the feeling of deja vu with this. Many Remain politicians and celebrities are refusing to except last weeks result with any grace let alone good grace. Clearly they're finished in frustrating Brexit in Parliament but I'll be surprised if we've seen the last of Anna Soubry, Gina Miller and Alastair Campbell just yet.

no doubt somewhere down the line there will be a uk back in Europe party. or such

Absolute certainty

So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as PM.

Please don’t celebrate too much, though, as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.

So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.

I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to-do list for you.

1. Get Brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised, so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc. In fact there arevabout 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done, please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the NHS or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of January. You have seven weeks.

2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.

3. Scotland. OK, so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. N.B. This is urgent.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. N.B. This is also urgent.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all British about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember, if you fail to deliver any of this it’s on you, Brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.

It's not a full Brexit as voted for by the poeple or advertised in the GE so don't worry.

Surely this has been Copy n Pasted from elsewhere?

So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as PM.

Please don’t celebrate too much, though, as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.

So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.

I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to-do list for you.

1. Get Brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised, so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc. In fact there arevabout 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done, please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the NHS or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of January. You have seven weeks.

2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.

3. Scotland. OK, so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. N.B. This is urgent.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. N.B. This is also urgent.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all British about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember, if you fail to deliver any of this it’s on you, Brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.

It's not a full Brexit as voted for by the poeple or advertised in the GE so don't worry.

Surely this has been Copy n Pasted from elsewhere?

as advertised in the GE...?
it could actually become a possibility if the eurocrats keep playing silly buggers.

As everyone knows, I'm Labour through and through.

But we can't have a go at the Tories or who voted them because they did win.

If we ignore that, we ignore democracy and that's a very dangerous path.

Still our job to be the opposition but completely disagree with slating a government before it's really started, and totally against those protesting because they don't like a democratic result.

It's us in the Labour Party or anyone opposed to the right who have a bigger problem.

As everyone knows, I'm Labour through and through.

But we can't have a go at the Tories or who voted them because they did win.

If we ignore that, we ignore democracy and that's a very dangerous path.

Still our job to be the opposition but completely disagree with slating a government before it's really started, and totally against those protesting because they don't like a democratic result.

It's us in the Labour Party or anyone opposed to the right who have a bigger problem.

I'm the opposite in that I will vote for whichever party has a manifesto that I think could work for the country, and if it has politicians who I believe are capable of carrying out those policies. The main reasons I could not vote Labour are because I believe the country had already voted as far as Brexit was concerned, and another referendum was not needed. I do not think we should keep voting until the result MP's want is finally achieved, and this election suggests I am not alone in having that view. Another reason is that as Stephen Kinnock has said, Corbyn came out with a manifesto that actually sounded more like a Christmas wish list, and to be honest, I thought it was complete and utter nonsense, totally unaffordable. I voted to leave the EU, and the Tory party made it clear that a vote for them meant Brexit would happen. I have no doubt that was the main reason for their overwhelming victory. No guarantees I would support the Conservatives at the next election, if I think Labour have policies that I believe in and are affordable, I would not have a problem giving them my vote.

It'll be like mad max on water if Plaid Cymru ever got in. In 60 years We'd all be living on house boats praying to the east.

Cymru Am Byth!

As everyone knows, I'm Labour through and through.

But we can't have a go at the Tories or who voted them because they did win.

If we ignore that, we ignore democracy and that's a very dangerous path.

Still our job to be the opposition but completely disagree with slating a government before it's really started, and totally against those protesting because they don't like a democratic result.

It's us in the Labour Party or anyone opposed to the right who have a bigger problem.

I'm the opposite in that I will vote for whichever party has a manifesto that I think could work for the country, and if it has politicians who I believe are capable of carrying out those policies. The main reasons I could not vote Labour are because I believe the country had already voted as far as Brexit was concerned, and another referendum was not needed. I do not think we should keep voting until the result MP's want is finally achieved, and this election suggests I am not alone in having that view. Another reason is that as Stephen Kinnock has said, Corbyn came out with a manifesto that actually sounded more like a Christmas wish list, and to be honest, I thought it was complete and utter nonsense, totally unaffordable. I voted to leave the EU, and the Tory party made it clear that a vote for them meant Brexit would happen. I have no doubt that was the main reason for their overwhelming victory. No guarantees I would support the Conservatives at the next election, if I think Labour have policies that I believe in and are affordable, I would not have a problem giving them my vote.

All very valid points.

Starting in the New Year, I will be part of a group speaking to voters and asking why they didn't vote for us.

The points you make are likely to be what a lot of people say, and we have to act on that.

Jeremy Corbyn had to go. But its crucial we get it right this time, bringing in someone who has exactly the same policies will solve nothing.

I'm backing Keir Starmer but I worry that Momentum will get all their people to bring in someone like Rebecca Long-Bailey who, although a very promising politician, is too much like Corbyn.

I'm an activist for the Labour Party and we need to listen to people. Someone said it last week and it's true, that the Labour Party under Corbyn and McDonnell had become too self indulging.

Unless Labour rid themselves of Momentum, they’ll remain in the shadows. I honestly believe that Corbyn didn’t give a damn about winning the election, as long as that group had control of the party.

As everyone knows, I'm Labour through and through.

But we can't have a go at the Tories or who voted them because they did win.

If we ignore that, we ignore democracy and that's a very dangerous path.

Still our job to be the opposition but completely disagree with slating a government before it's really started, and totally against those protesting because they don't like a democratic result.

It's us in the Labour Party or anyone opposed to the right who have a bigger problem.

I'm the opposite in that I will vote for whichever party has a manifesto that I think could work for the country, and if it has politicians who I believe are capable of carrying out those policies. The main reasons I could not vote Labour are because I believe the country had already voted as far as Brexit was concerned, and another referendum was not needed. I do not think we should keep voting until the result MP's want is finally achieved, and this election suggests I am not alone in having that view. Another reason is that as Stephen Kinnock has said, Corbyn came out with a manifesto that actually sounded more like a Christmas wish list, and to be honest, I thought it was complete and utter nonsense, totally unaffordable. I voted to leave the EU, and the Tory party made it clear that a vote for them meant Brexit would happen. I have no doubt that was the main reason for their overwhelming victory. No guarantees I would support the Conservatives at the next election, if I think Labour have policies that I believe in and are affordable, I would not have a problem giving them my vote.

All very valid points.

Starting in the New Year, I will be part of a group speaking to voters and asking why they didn't vote for us.

The points you make are likely to be what a lot of people say, and we have to act on that.

Jeremy Corbyn had to go. But its crucial we get it right this time, bringing in someone who has exactly the same policies will solve nothing.

I'm backing Keir Starmer but I worry that Momentum will get all their people to bring in someone like Rebecca Long-Bailey who, although a very promising politician, is too much like Corbyn.

I'm an activist for the Labour Party and we need to listen to people. Someone said it last week and it's true, that the Labour Party under Corbyn and McDonnell had become too self indulging.

I have said before, I think they chose the wrong Miliband. Rightly or wrongly, I had a certain amount of faith in people like David Miliband, Ed Balls, Andy Burnham and one or two others. I don't think Labour would have put on such a poor show if these three had been the figureheads instead of Corbyn, Abbot & Co.

As everyone knows, I'm Labour through and through.

But we can't have a go at the Tories or who voted them because they did win.

If we ignore that, we ignore democracy and that's a very dangerous path.

Still our job to be the opposition but completely disagree with slating a government before it's really started, and totally against those protesting because they don't like a democratic result.

It's us in the Labour Party or anyone opposed to the right who have a bigger problem.

I'm the opposite in that I will vote for whichever party has a manifesto that I think could work for the country, and if it has politicians who I believe are capable of carrying out those policies. The main reasons I could not vote Labour are because I believe the country had already voted as far as Brexit was concerned, and another referendum was not needed. I do not think we should keep voting until the result MP's want is finally achieved, and this election suggests I am not alone in having that view. Another reason is that as Stephen Kinnock has said, Corbyn came out with a manifesto that actually sounded more like a Christmas wish list, and to be honest, I thought it was complete and utter nonsense, totally unaffordable. I voted to leave the EU, and the Tory party made it clear that a vote for them meant Brexit would happen. I have no doubt that was the main reason for their overwhelming victory. No guarantees I would support the Conservatives at the next election, if I think Labour have policies that I believe in and are affordable, I would not have a problem giving them my vote.

All very valid points.

Starting in the New Year, I will be part of a group speaking to voters and asking why they didn't vote for us.

The points you make are likely to be what a lot of people say, and we have to act on that.

Jeremy Corbyn had to go. But its crucial we get it right this time, bringing in someone who has exactly the same policies will solve nothing.

I'm backing Keir Starmer but I worry that Momentum will get all their people to bring in someone like Rebecca Long-Bailey who, although a very promising politician, is too much like Corbyn.

I'm an activist for the Labour Party and we need to listen to people. Someone said it last week and it's true, that the Labour Party under Corbyn and McDonnell had become too self indulging.

I have said before, I think they chose the wrong Miliband. Rightly or wrongly, I had a certain amount of faith in people like David Miliband, Ed Balls, Andy Burnham and one or two others. I don't think Labour would have put on such a poor show if these three had been the figureheads instead of Corbyn, Abbot & Co.

Totally agree.

I voted David Miliband in 2010 and Andy Burnham in 2015. You only have to look at the job Burnham has done as Manchester Mayor, almost certain to be re-elected. He was a huge loss to Westminster.

As everyone knows, I'm Labour through and through.

But we can't have a go at the Tories or who voted them because they did win.

If we ignore that, we ignore democracy and that's a very dangerous path.

Still our job to be the opposition but completely disagree with slating a government before it's really started, and totally against those protesting because they don't like a democratic result.

It's us in the Labour Party or anyone opposed to the right who have a bigger problem.

I'm the opposite in that I will vote for whichever party has a manifesto that I think could work for the country, and if it has politicians who I believe are capable of carrying out those policies. The main reasons I could not vote Labour are because I believe the country had already voted as far as Brexit was concerned, and another referendum was not needed. I do not think we should keep voting until the result MP's want is finally achieved, and this election suggests I am not alone in having that view. Another reason is that as Stephen Kinnock has said, Corbyn came out with a manifesto that actually sounded more like a Christmas wish list, and to be honest, I thought it was complete and utter nonsense, totally unaffordable. I voted to leave the EU, and the Tory party made it clear that a vote for them meant Brexit would happen. I have no doubt that was the main reason for their overwhelming victory. No guarantees I would support the Conservatives at the next election, if I think Labour have policies that I believe in and are affordable, I would not have a problem giving them my vote.

All very valid points.

Starting in the New Year, I will be part of a group speaking to voters and asking why they didn't vote for us.

The points you make are likely to be what a lot of people say, and we have to act on that.

Jeremy Corbyn had to go. But its crucial we get it right this time, bringing in someone who has exactly the same policies will solve nothing.

I'm backing Keir Starmer but I worry that Momentum will get all their people to bring in someone like Rebecca Long-Bailey who, although a very promising politician, is too much like Corbyn.

I'm an activist for the Labour Party and we need to listen to people. Someone said it last week and it's true, that the Labour Party under Corbyn and McDonnell had become too self indulging.

I have said before, I think they chose the wrong Miliband. Rightly or wrongly, I had a certain amount of faith in people like David Miliband, Ed Balls, Andy Burnham and one or two others. I don't think Labour would have put on such a poor show if these three had been the figureheads instead of Corbyn, Abbot & Co.

Totally agree.

I voted David Miliband in 2010 and Andy Burnham in 2015. You only have to look at the job Burnham has done as Manchester Mayor, almost certain to be re-elected. He was a huge loss to Westminster.

got a job on your hands . the party has moved too far to the left, yet im listening to one interview after another where there is a lack of acceptance of this. momentum will gobble up most of the CLPs and cast what in effect is a block vote for Long-Bailey.. thinks me..

So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as PM.

Please don’t celebrate too much, though, as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.

So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.

I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to-do list for you.

1. Get Brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised, so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc. In fact there arevabout 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done, please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the NHS or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of January. You have seven weeks.

2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.

3. Scotland. OK, so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. N.B. This is urgent.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. N.B. This is also urgent.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all British about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember, if you fail to deliver any of this it’s on you, Brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.

It's not a full Brexit as voted for by the poeple or advertised in the GE so don't worry.

Surely this has been Copy n Pasted from elsewhere?

as advertised in the GE...?
it could actually become a possibility if the eurocrats keep playing silly buggers.

I don't know dogfound, not following parliament much anymore, after recently reading a few books i've lost interest in the democratic system. Our democracy is owned by international bankers with a few corporations dominating everything. Unfortunately I don't think Brexit will change that.

As everyone knows, I'm Labour through and through.

But we can't have a go at the Tories or who voted them because they did win.

If we ignore that, we ignore democracy and that's a very dangerous path.

Still our job to be the opposition but completely disagree with slating a government before it's really started, and totally against those protesting because they don't like a democratic result.

It's us in the Labour Party or anyone opposed to the right who have a bigger problem.

I'm the opposite in that I will vote for whichever party has a manifesto that I think could work for the country, and if it has politicians who I believe are capable of carrying out those policies. The main reasons I could not vote Labour are because I believe the country had already voted as far as Brexit was concerned, and another referendum was not needed. I do not think we should keep voting until the result MP's want is finally achieved, and this election suggests I am not alone in having that view. Another reason is that as Stephen Kinnock has said, Corbyn came out with a manifesto that actually sounded more like a Christmas wish list, and to be honest, I thought it was complete and utter nonsense, totally unaffordable. I voted to leave the EU, and the Tory party made it clear that a vote for them meant Brexit would happen. I have no doubt that was the main reason for their overwhelming victory. No guarantees I would support the Conservatives at the next election, if I think Labour have policies that I believe in and are affordable, I would not have a problem giving them my vote.

All very valid points.

Starting in the New Year, I will be part of a group speaking to voters and asking why they didn't vote for us.

The points you make are likely to be what a lot of people say, and we have to act on that.

Jeremy Corbyn had to go. But its crucial we get it right this time, bringing in someone who has exactly the same policies will solve nothing.

I'm backing Keir Starmer but I worry that Momentum will get all their people to bring in someone like Rebecca Long-Bailey who, although a very promising politician, is too much like Corbyn.

I'm an activist for the Labour Party and we need to listen to people. Someone said it last week and it's true, that the Labour Party under Corbyn and McDonnell had become too self indulging.

I have said before, I think they chose the wrong Miliband. Rightly or wrongly, I had a certain amount of faith in people like David Miliband, Ed Balls, Andy Burnham and one or two others. I don't think Labour would have put on such a poor show if these three had been the figureheads instead of Corbyn, Abbot & Co.

Totally agree.

I voted David Miliband in 2010 and Andy Burnham in 2015. You only have to look at the job Burnham has done as Manchester Mayor, almost certain to be re-elected. He was a huge loss to Westminster.

got a job on your hands . the party has moved too far to the left, yet im listening to one interview after another where there is a lack of acceptance of this. momentum will gobble up most of the CLPs and cast what in effect is a block vote for Long-Bailey.. thinks me..

Dogfound.. Agree on that. Way too far to the left and I don't like how Momentum are taking over our party. Long-Bailey seems to be their candidate and that worries me.

We will never get close to winning with an extreme left candidate.

I will support the next leader. But I still think it should be Starmer and will vote for him if he stands.

Didn’t KS run this election campaign. Got to be honest worcester, you only have to read these boards to know why Labour lost.
Lisa Nandy was on the radio this morning saying we’ll knock doors to find out what went wrong.

Where has she been for the last 3 years? I think Labours refusal to address immigration, or even talk about it is a major concern for the electorate.

What a pitiful post by the OB! What I cannot understand, and I am a bit stupid I admit, is that there was a democratic binary vote...."once in a generation" I was told by the PM!!!!!!

it was an advisory referendum, it was written in the referendum act. anyone who read the act would have known that they were voting in a referendum that was not legally binding.

i get the feeling most people didnt read the act before they voted

So you'll accept written documents as binding but not speech?

Wow extrapolate that idea to it's logical conclusion, it'll be pointless talking or taking oral witness testimony in court

Welcome back Josh

What a pitiful post by the OB! What I cannot understand, and I am a bit stupid I admit, is that there was a democratic binary vote...."once in a generation" I was told by the PM!!!!!!

it was an advisory referendum, it was written in the referendum act. anyone who read the act would have known that they were voting in a referendum that was not legally binding.

i get the feeling most people didnt read the act before they voted

So you'll accept written documents as binding but not speech?

Wow extrapolate that idea to it's logical conclusion, it'll be pointless talking or taking oral witness testimony in court

Welcome back Josh

1) when it comes to acts of parliament yes, i do think that written bills that have been ratified in both chambers mean slightly more than someone merely uttering it

2) josh?

What a pitiful post by the OB! What I cannot understand, and I am a bit stupid I admit, is that there was a democratic binary vote...."once in a generation" I was told by the PM!!!!!!

it was an advisory referendum, it was written in the referendum act. anyone who read the act would have known that they were voting in a referendum that was not legally binding.

i get the feeling most people didnt read the act before they voted

So you'll accept written documents as binding but not speech?

Wow extrapolate that idea to it's logical conclusion, it'll be pointless talking or taking oral witness testimony in court

Welcome back Josh

Mmmm in court you swear to tell the truth on a bible not to tell truth is a criminal offence? Promising something on a box in hyde park or anywhere else doesn't make any promise binding written or oral... just makes you a liar if dont act on what you've written/said? But there again we all know MPs will say anything to win election true or false...

If we know that al, begs whether any elections should take place at all. They’re held on the premise of lies being told, which is a ludicrous situation.

I have always said you have to be very naïve if you believe everything a politician says. Never known a party to stick to their election pledges, and I doubt if that will ever change. As far as the referendum was concerned, I never once heard the word advisory mentioned by either side prior to the vote. The advisory factor became a big public issue after the referendum, and was just one of many things used as a way of denying democracy. The main one was we did not know what we were voting for, and so many had changed their minds that it now meant another referendum would result in a remain vote. I think last week's election blew that argument out of the water.

If we know that al, begs whether any elections should take place at all. They’re held on the premise of lies being told, which is a ludicrous situation.

Unfortunately it's part of the game of politics make 10 promises keep 5 then say look we did this like we said we would? Also things happen to change circumstances around why promise wasnt kept... but will say thank god labour didn't have to keep their election promises otherwise we would be bankrupt ....

Didn’t KS run this election campaign. Got to be honest worcester, you only have to read these boards to know why Labour lost.
Lisa Nandy was on the radio this morning saying we’ll knock doors to find out what went wrong.

Where has she been for the last 3 years? I think Labours refusal to address immigration, or even talk about it is a major concern for the electorate.

heard that on the radio myself and of course read Worcester say it here.. im bemused too, Labour MPs and ex MPs were queueing up on election night to say exactly what they thought was wrong and this was followed up the next day by one poll after another confirming their thoughts..
its as if they don't like those reasons { not worcester personally } so will keep asking until they get reasons they prefer ..
wouldn't surprise me in the least if Corbyn is hanging on long enough for the dust to settle so his cronies can start pushing we have the right man already so why change...if it hadn't been for Brexit

blah blah blah, Listen Gina Miller or Dom Grieve or Sam Gyimah or whoever you are, stop crying because you lost and the Tories will get Brexit done and they will do whatever they want for the next five years probably fifteen the way you lot are going especially if you give it to Corbyn in a dress and glasses Long Barmy!

As everyone knows, I'm Labour through and through.

But we can't have a go at the Tories or who voted them because they did win.

If we ignore that, we ignore democracy and that's a very dangerous path.

Still our job to be the opposition but completely disagree with slating a government before it's really started, and totally against those protesting because they don't like a democratic result.

It's us in the Labour Party or anyone opposed to the right who have a bigger problem.

I'm the opposite in that I will vote for whichever party has a manifesto that I think could work for the country, and if it has politicians who I believe are capable of carrying out those policies. The main reasons I could not vote Labour are because I believe the country had already voted as far as Brexit was concerned, and another referendum was not needed. I do not think we should keep voting until the result MP's want is finally achieved, and this election suggests I am not alone in having that view. Another reason is that as Stephen Kinnock has said, Corbyn came out with a manifesto that actually sounded more like a Christmas wish list, and to be honest, I thought it was complete and utter nonsense, totally unaffordable. I voted to leave the EU, and the Tory party made it clear that a vote for them meant Brexit would happen. I have no doubt that was the main reason for their overwhelming victory. No guarantees I would support the Conservatives at the next election, if I think Labour have policies that I believe in and are affordable, I would not have a problem giving them my vote.

All very valid points.

Starting in the New Year, I will be part of a group speaking to voters and asking why they didn't vote for us.

The points you make are likely to be what a lot of people say, and we have to act on that.

Jeremy Corbyn had to go. But its crucial we get it right this time, bringing in someone who has exactly the same policies will solve nothing.

I'm backing Keir Starmer but I worry that Momentum will get all their people to bring in someone like Rebecca Long-Bailey who, although a very promising politician, is too much like Corbyn.

I'm an activist for the Labour Party and we need to listen to people. Someone said it last week and it's true, that the Labour Party under Corbyn and McDonnell had become too self indulging.

I have said before, I think they chose the wrong Miliband. Rightly or wrongly, I had a certain amount of faith in people like David Miliband, Ed Balls, Andy Burnham and one or two others. I don't think Labour would have put on such a poor show if these three had been the figureheads instead of Corbyn, Abbot & Co.

I concur with you both on this one

I believe the oddities of the Labour selection process missed a trick with David Milliband who (IMHO) have changedthe path of said Party for the better

Glad Corbyn is a gonner and hoping the best PERSON forthe job gets to takethe reins rather than having someone imposed for what they are rathee than who they are

After watching the election build up avidly, Sir Keir Starker the obvious choice from the current pot

What a pitiful post by the OB! What I cannot understand, and I am a bit stupid I admit, is that there was a democratic binary vote...."once in a generation" I was told by the PM!!!!!!

it was an advisory referendum, it was written in the referendum act. anyone who read the act would have known that they were voting in a referendum that was not legally binding.

i get the feeling most people didnt read the act before they voted

So you'll accept written documents as binding but not speech?

Wow extrapolate that idea to it's logical conclusion, it'll be pointless talking or taking oral witness testimony in court

Welcome back Josh

1) when it comes to acts of parliament yes, i do think that written bills that have been ratified in both chambers mean slightly more than someone merely uttering it

2) josh?

So on that basis you are ok with politicians uttering lies to us on television then passing a different law in the house?

So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as PM.

Please don’t celebrate too much, though, as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.

So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.

I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to-do list for you.

1. Get Brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised, so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc. In fact there arevabout 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done, please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the NHS or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of January. You have seven weeks.

2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.

3. Scotland. OK, so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. N.B. This is urgent.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. N.B. This is also urgent.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all British about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember, if you fail to deliver any of this it’s on you, Brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.

I’m suprised the remoaning loony left haven’t asked for another general election because surely all those tory voters didn’t know what they were doing

What a pitiful post by the OB! What I cannot understand, and I am a bit stupid I admit, is that there was a democratic binary vote...."once in a generation" I was told by the PM!!!!!!

it was an advisory referendum, it was written in the referendum act. anyone who read the act would have known that they were voting in a referendum that was not legally binding.

i get the feeling most people didnt read the act before they voted

So you'll accept written documents as binding but not speech?

Wow extrapolate that idea to it's logical conclusion, it'll be pointless talking or taking oral witness testimony in court

Welcome back Josh

1) when it comes to acts of parliament yes, i do think that written bills that have been ratified in both chambers mean slightly more than someone merely uttering it

2) josh?

So on that basis you are ok with politicians uttering lies to us on television then passing a different law in the house?

Nothing new what you getting in a labourite twist for? Or are you going to say labour wouldn't dream of doing such a thing?