The severe demise of the ayatollah

The new generation are probably realising how stupid it looks. That’s not me having a go at you, it really is ridiculous and has been a figure of fun for years. Especially THAT video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GbjqBi_VwbA

The fact it’s roots are from and named after Ayatollah Khomeini, the man who brought suicide bomb terrorism to the west and led an Islamic state in Iran... probably doesn’t help.

its roots were innocent enough despite a long queue of fools trying to make out otherwise , its a bit of fun.
as for the video, fortunately not many people outside our fanbase have seen it...

Not really innocent, it was clumsy in its conception. It was after e funeral of an Islamic leader and that sign was used to our him homage. You guys copied it and named it after him.

He was the instigator if mass suicide terrorism in the West. To pretend it wasn’t is ridiculous.

no..to pretend its anything but innocent is ridiculous..
take a long hard look at the video link you posted... does that not look innocent..
the name ayatollah was convenient and maybe it is clumsy but its football not university challenge..
the head tapping is nothing like the funeral , has never been associated with violence and has zero to do with terrorism or suicide vests...im not really a big fan of it either..but get a grip.

Eh? I’m not following you here.

It is literally copied from people paying homage to the Ayatollah at his funeral. Not only is it copied... it is named after him. He always was the leader of an Islamic State in Iran who essentially invented suicide bombing and made his followers use it. This isn’t something that was found out afterwards.

Whether people have fun doing it, isn’t the point. What if people have fun doing ‘the Bin Laden’ and copy chants and dances that people did to honour him? Acceptable if it’s done for fun?

how come your such an expert on this never having done it.. or experienced a fellow City fan do it to you ?
but ok you win we all wear suicide vests and belong to ISIS.. or whatever other pointless point your making.

How come I know about Ayatollah Khomeini? Because he is a very important political and historical figure. How do you know about Adolf Hitler?

I didn’t say you belong to Isis or wear suicide vests. Just like the people doing the plane gestures to you aren’t pilots, doesn’t make it acceptable though whether they laugh and joke about it or have fun doing it is irrelevant.

What I said was it’s origins come directly from a homage to the man who led the Islamic State of Iran and brought suicide bombings to the enemies of Islam, murdering thousands of Christians. This wasn’t thousands of years ago. This was in the 80’s, may have even overlapped into the 90’s, it would be close.

Whether you like it, don’t like it, indifferent to it... any normal thinking individual should be able to see that due to the connection and origin, it’s not something that should be done any longer now that Islamic terrorism is becoming more prominent on these shores.

Its legendary and will always be there for me....

How come I know about Ayatollah Khomeini? Because he is a very important political and historical figure. How do you know about Adolf Hitler?

I didn’t say you belong to Isis or wear suicide vests. Just like the people doing the plane gestures to you aren’t pilots, doesn’t make it acceptable though whether they laugh and joke about it or have fun doing it is irrelevant.

What I said was it’s origins come directly from a homage to the man who led the Islamic State of Iran and brought suicide bombings to the enemies of Islam, murdering thousands of Christians. This wasn’t thousands of years ago. This was in the 80’s, may have even overlapped into the 90’s, it would be close.

Whether you like it, don’t like it, indifferent to it... any normal thinking individual should be able to see that due to the connection and origin, it’s not something that should be done any longer now that Islamic terrorism is becoming more prominent on these shores.

Stop calling it Islamic terrorism, in your own words not very pc,unless you suffer from islamophobia if you want to see terrorism culprits,try reading dancing Israelis, not all "terrorism "is Islamic, as you put it,and not all worshippers of Islam are terrorist's, far from it.Tony Blair was more of a terrorist than most Islamic people, hands down.

How come I know about Ayatollah Khomeini? Because he is a very important political and historical figure. How do you know about Adolf Hitler?

I didn’t say you belong to Isis or wear suicide vests. Just like the people doing the plane gestures to you aren’t pilots, doesn’t make it acceptable though whether they laugh and joke about it or have fun doing it is irrelevant.

What I said was it’s origins come directly from a homage to the man who led the Islamic State of Iran and brought suicide bombings to the enemies of Islam, murdering thousands of Christians. This wasn’t thousands of years ago. This was in the 80’s, may have even overlapped into the 90’s, it would be close.

Whether you like it, don’t like it, indifferent to it... any normal thinking individual should be able to see that due to the connection and origin, it’s not something that should be done any longer now that Islamic terrorism is becoming more prominent on these shores.

Stop calling it Islamic terrorism, in your own words not very pc,unless you suffer from islamophobia if you want to see terrorism culprits,try reading dancing Israelis, not all "terrorism "is Islamic, as you put it,and not all worshippers of Islam are terrorist's, far from it.Tony Blair was more of a terrorist than most Islamic people, hands down.

Stop calling it Islamic terrorism, in your own words not very pc,unless you suffer from islamophobia if you want to see terrorism culprits,try reading dancing Israelis, not all "terrorism "is Islamic, as you put it,and not all worshippers of Islam are terrorist's, far from it.Tony Blair was more of a terrorist than most Islamic people, hands down.

Eh? You don’t seem to understand what you have just said, or more importantly what I did.

I’m talking about terrorism done in the name of Shia Islam, that is Islamic terrorism.

If we were talking about Pope Urban II and the Crusades then I would label it Christian Terrorism. But we aren’t, we are talking about the Islamic State of Iran and the terrorism there in the 1980’s directed at non believers including Westerners.

Tony Blair is a political terrorist as his terrorism was done for the benefit of economic prosperity to further his countries strength.

If you are to enter a debate and try to be clever then you really need to know what you are talking about.

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

The ayatollah decline may be PC related. But it is dying. I'm just waiting until the PC brigade(middle class self loathers) focus on "The Men Of Harlech" it'll happen...for quite a few years football culture has been the last bastion of a true British identity that is resisting marxist brain washing. That is Until now, the Catholics are rising to defeat the globalists. we all should know who they are(not European or Christian) infact historically they're not too keen on us.

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Indeed.

I am a big fan of psychology, broad language in specific situations is a key tell when a scenario is made up. These little things people say and do give so much away without people realising, often until it’s too late. Homicide detectives are taught similar things when they interview witnesses and suspects, they can usually tell right away when a story doesn’t sound quite right just from situations like broad language. Memories are usually always specific, especially recent memories, so it’s odd when someone doesn’t use specific language. Stands out a mile.

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Indeed.

I am a big fan of psychology, broad language in specific situations is a key tell when a scenario is made up. These little things people say and do give so much away without people realising, often until it’s too late. Homicide detectives are taught similar things when they interview witnesses and suspects, they can usually tell right away when a story doesn’t sound quite right just from situations like broad language. Memories are usually always specific, especially recent memories, so it’s odd when someone doesn’t use specific language. Stands out a mile.

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

That’s a fair point ElyBoy

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

That’s a fair point ElyBoy

Lol

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Indeed.

I am a big fan of psychology, broad language in specific situations is a key tell when a scenario is made up. These little things people say and do give so much away without people realising, often until it’s too late. Homicide detectives are taught similar things when they interview witnesses and suspects, they can usually tell right away when a story doesn’t sound quite right just from situations like broad language. Memories are usually always specific, especially recent memories, so it’s odd when someone doesn’t use specific language. Stands out a mile.

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

I'm not sure what's funnier, "ElyBoy" pushing his tongue up Roathies arse or Roathies wide of the mark 'psychology'

I know Paul personally, and I can vouch that he's just spent a month diving in Thailand and the Philippines. He is however far more intelligent than myself and refuses to respond to trolls.

I wouldn't normally respond either, but I found the homicide detective spiel f*cking hilarious

Elyboy, how does Jack shit taste?

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Indeed.

I am a big fan of psychology, broad language in specific situations is a key tell when a scenario is made up. These little things people say and do give so much away without people realising, often until it’s too late. Homicide detectives are taught similar things when they interview witnesses and suspects, they can usually tell right away when a story doesn’t sound quite right just from situations like broad language. Memories are usually always specific, especially recent memories, so it’s odd when someone doesn’t use specific language. Stands out a mile.

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

I'm not sure what's funnier, "ElyBoy" pushing his tongue up Roathies arse or Roathies wide of the mark 'psychology'

I know Paul personally, and I can vouch that he's just spent a month diving in Thailand and the Philippines. He is however far more intelligent than myself and refuses to respond to trolls.

I wouldn't normally respond either, but I found the homicide detective spiel f*cking hilarious

Elyboy, how does Jack shit taste?

Not quite sure why anyone would accuse someone of making things up just because they choose to generalise. I have said plenty of times to various people that I have been to the States, or am going to the States. Nearly always Florida but sometimes California. Unless they ask me which part I am visiting, I never mention Orlando or San Diego, or even those areas I have only visited once such as Las Vegas. Likewise, I tend to say Caribbean rather than individual islands, but that does not mean I have never spent time in Barbados or Antigua etc. If a poster says he was in Asia, unless I knew 100% that was not the case, I wouldn't dream of being so arrogant as to say he was not telling the truth, particularly a complete stranger.

Stop calling it Islamic terrorism, in your own words not very pc,unless you suffer from islamophobia if you want to see terrorism culprits,try reading dancing Israelis, not all "terrorism "is Islamic, as you put it,and not all worshippers of Islam are terrorist's, far from it.Tony Blair was more of a terrorist than most Islamic people, hands down.

Eh? You don’t seem to understand what you have just said, or more importantly what I did.

I’m talking about terrorism done in the name of Shia Islam, that is Islamic terrorism.

If we were talking about Pope Urban II and the Crusades then I would label it Christian Terrorism. But we aren’t, we are talking about the Islamic State of Iran and the terrorism there in the 1980’s directed at non believers including Westerners.

Tony Blair is a political terrorist as his terrorism was done for the benefit of economic prosperity to further his countries strength.

If you are to enter a debate and try to be clever then you really need to know what you are talking about.

Patting of the head in Iran is a traditional sign of mourning it is in no way connected to any form of terrorism despite you trying to paint the Iranian tradition in a bad light. Shame on you by the way for trying that.

Secondly the "ayatollah" as Cardiff fans know it was started by the band UThant.At a gig in Cardiff Uthant band members and their fans did the "ayatollah" Cardiff city fans at the gig picked up on the gesture and did it at an away game the next day, from there on it became a fans favourite. Cardiff fans did not copy it from the funeral scenes.

Despite your best efforts to paint it in a bad light with weak links to terrorism that us Cardiff fans should be ashamed of you've failed.

Its legendary and will always be there for me....

spot on mate It's Cardiff City

Stop calling it Islamic terrorism, in your own words not very pc,unless you suffer from islamophobia if you want to see terrorism culprits,try reading dancing Israelis, not all "terrorism "is Islamic, as you put it,and not all worshippers of Islam are terrorist's, far from it.Tony Blair was more of a terrorist than most Islamic people, hands down.

Eh? You don’t seem to understand what you have just said, or more importantly what I did.

I’m talking about terrorism done in the name of Shia Islam, that is Islamic terrorism.

If we were talking about Pope Urban II and the Crusades then I would label it Christian Terrorism. But we aren’t, we are talking about the Islamic State of Iran and the terrorism there in the 1980’s directed at non believers including Westerners.

Tony Blair is a political terrorist as his terrorism was done for the benefit of economic prosperity to further his countries strength.

If you are to enter a debate and try to be clever then you really need to know what you are talking about.

Patting of the head in Iran is a traditional sign of mourning it is in no way connected to any form of terrorism despite you trying to paint the Iranian tradition in a bad light. Shame on you by the way for trying that.

Secondly the "ayatollah" as Cardiff fans know it was started by the band UThant.At a gig in Cardiff Uthant band members and their fans did the "ayatollah" Cardiff city fans at the gig picked up on the gesture and did it at an away game the next day, from there on it became a fans favourite. Cardiff fans did not copy it from the funeral scenes.

Despite your best efforts to paint it in a bad light with weak links to terrorism that us Cardiff fans should be ashamed of you've failed.

My memory is terrible, but this is what I believed to be the true origin of the Cardiff City ayatollah. Thanks for the reminder, as personally I’ve always found it to be a bit of fun in an often serious world.

Apologies to Nubbsy for the misunderstanding. I said to my other half, I think someone’s calling me a Jack **** on the website, bottom lip quivering the lot.

The ayatollah is making a comeback.

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Ely boy, fair play you sound as thick as shit talking to the scum troll.

You think I’m lying over something as petty as that? Actually calling me a liar?

Made my day that

It is literally copied from people paying homage to the Ayatollah at his funeral. Not only is it copied... it is named after him. He always was the leader of an Islamic State in Iran who essentially invented suicide bombing and made his followers use it. This isn’t something that was found out afterwards.

If it wasn’t found afterwards, you are saying it was found out before it happened!

Dianne Abbott has competition!

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Indeed.

I am a big fan of psychology, broad language in specific situations is a key tell when a scenario is made up. These little things people say and do give so much away without people realising, often until it’s too late. Homicide detectives are taught similar things when they interview witnesses and suspects, they can usually tell right away when a story doesn’t sound quite right just from situations like broad language. Memories are usually always specific, especially recent memories, so it’s odd when someone doesn’t use specific language. Stands out a mile.

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

jesus Christ....it sounds like one of the cutting floor scenes from dumb and dumber.. caught him out there dumb ,well spotted, who calls Asia , erm...Asia.. must be a lie laugh laugh..

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Indeed.

I am a big fan of psychology, broad language in specific situations is a key tell when a scenario is made up. These little things people say and do give so much away without people realising, often until it’s too late. Homicide detectives are taught similar things when they interview witnesses and suspects, they can usually tell right away when a story doesn’t sound quite right just from situations like broad language. Memories are usually always specific, especially recent memories, so it’s odd when someone doesn’t use specific language. Stands out a mile.

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

I'm not sure what's funnier, "ElyBoy" pushing his tongue up Roathies arse or Roathies wide of the mark 'psychology'

I know Paul personally, and I can vouch that he's just spent a month diving in Thailand and the Philippines. He is however far more intelligent than myself and refuses to respond to trolls.

I wouldn't normally respond either, but I found the homicide detective spiel f*cking hilarious

Elyboy, how does Jack shit taste?

I didn’t say he lied about his holiday. I said his story is clearly not true, he would describe a specific memory with specific language, especially if recently happened.

As I said, it’s one of the main psychology traits that homicide detectives are trained to look out for. It’s such a give away.

Not quite sure why anyone would accuse someone of making things up just because they choose to generalise. I have said plenty of times to various people that I have been to the States, or am going to the States. Nearly always Florida but sometimes California. Unless they ask me which part I am visiting, I never mention Orlando or San Diego, or even those areas I have only visited once such as Las Vegas. Likewise, I tend to say Caribbean rather than individual islands, but that does not mean I have never spent time in Barbados or Antigua etc. If a poster says he was in Asia, unless I knew 100% that was not the case, I wouldn't dream of being so arrogant as to say he was not telling the truth, particularly a complete stranger.

That isn’t a generalisation though, the States is a country. The Caribbean is a small group of islands.

If you were going to France you wouldn’t say I’m going to Europe would you. Or if you were going to Canada you wouldn’t say North America. The scale of saying Asia when you are talking about a specific time and country is not something that is natural, he may be telling the truth but let’s just say he would be prime suspect at this stage. Adding to the fact this forum is generally full of the same exaggerated nonsense, I am happy to stick with my initial view.

jesus Christ....it sounds like one of the cutting floor scenes from dumb and dumber.. caught him out there dumb ,well spotted, who calls Asia , erm...Asia.. must be a lie laugh laugh..

Someone has his knickers in a twist again then

It is literally copied from people paying homage to the Ayatollah at his funeral. Not only is it copied... it is named after him. He always was the leader of an Islamic State in Iran who essentially invented suicide bombing and made his followers use it. This isn’t something that was found out afterwards.

If it wasn’t found afterwards, you are saying it was found out before it happened!

Dianne Abbott has competition!

I don’t think you quite understand what was said there, read it again.

Of course it was known he was an Islamic terror leader before his funeral, what are you talking about

That’s like saying you didn’t know Hitler was a bad man until he died. His actions were known when very much alive.

Stop calling it Islamic terrorism, in your own words not very pc,unless you suffer from islamophobia if you want to see terrorism culprits,try reading dancing Israelis, not all "terrorism "is Islamic, as you put it,and not all worshippers of Islam are terrorist's, far from it.Tony Blair was more of a terrorist than most Islamic people, hands down.

Eh? You don’t seem to understand what you have just said, or more importantly what I did.

I’m talking about terrorism done in the name of Shia Islam, that is Islamic terrorism.

If we were talking about Pope Urban II and the Crusades then I would label it Christian Terrorism. But we aren’t, we are talking about the Islamic State of Iran and the terrorism there in the 1980’s directed at non believers including Westerners.

Tony Blair is a political terrorist as his terrorism was done for the benefit of economic prosperity to further his countries strength.

If you are to enter a debate and try to be clever then you really need to know what you are talking about.

Patting of the head in Iran is a traditional sign of mourning it is in no way connected to any form of terrorism despite you trying to paint the Iranian tradition in a bad light. Shame on you by the way for trying that.

Secondly the "ayatollah" as Cardiff fans know it was started by the band UThant.At a gig in Cardiff Uthant band members and their fans did the "ayatollah" Cardiff city fans at the gig picked up on the gesture and did it at an away game the next day, from there on it became a fans favourite. Cardiff fans did not copy it from the funeral scenes.

Despite your best efforts to paint it in a bad light with weak links to terrorism that us Cardiff fans should be ashamed of you've failed.

Eh? Think about what you are saying.

The Ayatollah died, his followers at his funeral rhythmically patted their head in homage. This was screened across the world. Your lot did it at a gig and took it to the stadium. You named it after the bloke and done it ever since.

Are you genuinely trying to make a case that the action you openly call “the Ayatollah” has nothing to do with the Ayatollah it just happens to have the same name as him by coincidence and was nothing to do with the homage paid to him at his funeral it just so happened to start the weeks after it was screened across the world and in fact you were just tapping into Iranian culture.

Give me a break. You named it after the man!

We are going to all wear beards and back packs at our next game and call it “the Bin Laden”. It has nothing to do with Al Qaeda or terrorism though.. beards are traditionally worn in the Middle East and pack packs are a nice trend conveniently able to carry the days sandwiches, the fact we aren’t from the Middle East is irrelevant we just want to tap into middle eastern culture in South Wales.

Ignore the fact it’s named after said terrorist too, it has nothing at all to do with terrorism no matter if you try and say it is with your extremely weak links to it..

Not quite sure why anyone would accuse someone of making things up just because they choose to generalise. I have said plenty of times to various people that I have been to the States, or am going to the States. Nearly always Florida but sometimes California. Unless they ask me which part I am visiting, I never mention Orlando or San Diego, or even those areas I have only visited once such as Las Vegas. Likewise, I tend to say Caribbean rather than individual islands, but that does not mean I have never spent time in Barbados or Antigua etc. If a poster says he was in Asia, unless I knew 100% that was not the case, I wouldn't dream of being so arrogant as to say he was not telling the truth, particularly a complete stranger.

That isn’t a generalisation though, the States is a country. The Caribbean is a small group of islands.

If you were going to France you wouldn’t say I’m going to Europe would you. Or if you were going to Canada you wouldn’t say North America. The scale of saying Asia when you are talking about a specific time and country is not something that is natural, he may be telling the truth but let’s just say he would be prime suspect at this stage. Adding to the fact this forum is generally full of the same exaggerated nonsense, I am happy to stick with my initial view.

A friend of his has clearly stated he visited a number of countries. If I was to go to France, Spain, Germany, Italy... I may well say I've been to Europe. Chill out Pikachu.

A friend of his has clearly stated he visited a number of countries. If I was to go to France, Spain, Germany, Italy... I may well say I've been to Europe. Chill out Pikachu.

Indeed but you would be using general language for a general situation (describing your holiday), I wouldn’t expect you to name all the countries. Saying “Europe” to collectively describe them all would be normal.

However if you were telling me about a specific situation, like a bar you went to for example.. your natural instincts would be to say “I was in this bar in France”, not “I was in this bar in Europe”. Memories are specific, lies are general because they have no genuine memories attached to them.

As I said, he may be saying the truth but it’s unlikely.

Not quite sure why anyone would accuse someone of making things up just because they choose to generalise. I have said plenty of times to various people that I have been to the States, or am going to the States. Nearly always Florida but sometimes California. Unless they ask me which part I am visiting, I never mention Orlando or San Diego, or even those areas I have only visited once such as Las Vegas. Likewise, I tend to say Caribbean rather than individual islands, but that does not mean I have never spent time in Barbados or Antigua etc. If a poster says he was in Asia, unless I knew 100% that was not the case, I wouldn't dream of being so arrogant as to say he was not telling the truth, particularly a complete stranger.

That isn’t a generalisation though, the States is a country. The Caribbean is a small group of islands.

If you were going to France you wouldn’t say I’m going to Europe would you. Or if you were going to Canada you wouldn’t say North America. The scale of saying Asia when you are talking about a specific time and country is not something that is natural, he may be telling the truth but let’s just say he would be prime suspect at this stage. Adding to the fact this forum is generally full of the same exaggerated nonsense, I am happy to stick with my initial view.

If I was going to France, I would say I was going to France. If I was visiting a number of countries on a touring holiday for example, I would say Europe unless I was asked which particular countries I intended visiting.

If I was going to France, I would say I was going to France. If I was visiting a number of countries on a touring holiday for example, I would say Europe unless I was asked which particular countries I intended visiting.

Yep agreed, that’s what I just said, perfectly normal. Using a collective to describe a collective is fine, using a collective to describe a specific is the issue.

So on your multi country holiday, if you were then telling me about someone who threw a pint over your head and threw an onion at you at a bar, and you were telling us that story. You would say the specific place it happened (France, Italy, Germany) and wouldn’t say “someone threw an onion at me in Europe”, you would be more specific and say France because the memory would have an attachment to the place, not the general continent.

You may not agree on the surface but when it comes to you saying such a story, you watch. That’s why it is such a telling trait, you don’t realise you always use specific language for specific memories until you are saying them. But I can spot it a mile off.