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Think it’s the correct decision! Sadly there were no singular defining factors which caused this tragedy. It was a combination of poor organisation, ticketless fans and a stadium, with high fencing which sadly resulted in so many deaths. Think the biggest mistake was putting the Liverpool in the Leppings Lane end, when they should have been in the much larger Kop!
I know it’s been swept under the carpet, but Liverpool were known to turn up at games without a ticket, it was done the year before at the same venue and I remember clearly Liverpool fans trying to get into Wembley with no ticket v Everton in the 86 Final. There were even some fans on the Wembley roof.

but it wasn't brushed under the carpet. . umpteen inquiries have found there were not large numbers of LFC fans without tickets. and the original line about there being this large number was a lie and has been admitted to being a lie..
blaming them is as bad as blaming the police..
the real problem was how people behaved at football over the years preceding this tragic event which elevated stopping hooliganism over safety and led to fences and pens.

Can you explain how these enquiries found there were not a large amount of ticketless Liverpool fans that day as I can't see how they could possibly knows this. I presume no one was asked to produce a valid ticket after the incident so how could anyone know how many there were. When the gates were opened ticketless fans could have entered the ground. I would be genuinely interested to know the methodology behind making this statement.

Also what does not a large amount mean? Was there a medium sized amount of ticketless fans inside the ground if so what is the estimate of how many. In a sold out end even a few hundred would extra would cause problems. Interesting to note they are using a vague phrase rather than try to give a number.

At end of day only fans who should have been in that area was fans with tickets, so why didn't they wait to go in why was there the crush/rush to turnstiles if had tickets? they would have got in before game started? No problems at other game and similar crowd! Sorry I just dont buy this they all had tickets when clearly there was more fans than should have been trying to get into ground and that contributed to the disaster.

oh come on...you've never been in a crush at football..?
no problems at other games with similar crowds....really ?
and no..experts have given evidence that there were not more there...experts... not a bloke who has never witnessed a crush and thinks other big games haven't had similar problems but has actually said ON THIS THREAD.. he has been in similar.

Think it’s the correct decision! Sadly there were no singular defining factors which caused this tragedy. It was a combination of poor organisation, ticketless fans and a stadium, with high fencing which sadly resulted in so many deaths. Think the biggest mistake was putting the Liverpool in the Leppings Lane end, when they should have been in the much larger Kop!
I know it’s been swept under the carpet, but Liverpool were known to turn up at games without a ticket, it was done the year before at the same venue and I remember clearly Liverpool fans trying to get into Wembley with no ticket v Everton in the 86 Final. There were even some fans on the Wembley roof.

but it wasn't brushed under the carpet. . umpteen inquiries have found there were not large numbers of LFC fans without tickets. and the original line about there being this large number was a lie and has been admitted to being a lie..
blaming them is as bad as blaming the police..
the real problem was how people behaved at football over the years preceding this tragic event which elevated stopping hooliganism over safety and led to fences and pens.

Can you explain how these enquiries found there were not a large amount of ticketless Liverpool fans that day as I can't see how they could possibly knows this. I presume no one was asked to produce a valid ticket after the incident so how could anyone know how many there were. When the gates were opened ticketless fans could have entered the ground. I would be genuinely interested to know the methodology behind making this statement.

Also what does not a large amount mean? Was there a medium sized amount of ticketless fans inside the ground if so what is the estimate of how many. In a sold out end even a few hundred would extra would cause problems. Interesting to note they are using a vague phrase rather than try to give a number.

the methodology behind my statement is I see no reason to doubt expert independent results. especially when A } the police who were the original source of that story have admitted it untrue. and the fact it was not challenged other than by people in pubs and on messageboards..
the methodology behind crowd counting itself ? I don't know by what means. but do know that HMRC have many times challenged clubs over attendance figures after having aerial pictures..all sorts of official agencies seem confident in their crowd counting..and if you email SWPolice and ask what the actual attendance was Tuesday night as opposed to the official one the club give out.they will reply with an accurate figure..
mores the point..where did the ticketless fans story come from.....who did the story benefit....was anyone denied entry that day with no ticket...
as for the vague number..yes its impossible to know if dai had a ticket...its based on the numbers..tickets to people..

Think it’s the correct decision! Sadly there were no singular defining factors which caused this tragedy. It was a combination of poor organisation, ticketless fans and a stadium, with high fencing which sadly resulted in so many deaths. Think the biggest mistake was putting the Liverpool in the Leppings Lane end, when they should have been in the much larger Kop!
I know it’s been swept under the carpet, but Liverpool were known to turn up at games without a ticket, it was done the year before at the same venue and I remember clearly Liverpool fans trying to get into Wembley with no ticket v Everton in the 86 Final. There were even some fans on the Wembley roof.

but it wasn't brushed under the carpet. . umpteen inquiries have found there were not large numbers of LFC fans without tickets. and the original line about there being this large number was a lie and has been admitted to being a lie..
blaming them is as bad as blaming the police..
the real problem was how people behaved at football over the years preceding this tragic event which elevated stopping hooliganism over safety and led to fences and pens.

Can you explain how these enquiries found there were not a large amount of ticketless Liverpool fans that day as I can't see how they could possibly knows this. I presume no one was asked to produce a valid ticket after the incident so how could anyone know how many there were. When the gates were opened ticketless fans could have entered the ground. I would be genuinely interested to know the methodology behind making this statement.

Also what does not a large amount mean? Was there a medium sized amount of ticketless fans inside the ground if so what is the estimate of how many. In a sold out end even a few hundred would extra would cause problems. Interesting to note they are using a vague phrase rather than try to give a number.

At end of day only fans who should have been in that area was fans with tickets, so why didn't they wait to go in why was there the crush/rush to turnstiles if had tickets? they would have got in before game started? No problems at other game and similar crowd! Sorry I just dont buy this they all had tickets when clearly there was more fans than should have been trying to get into ground and that contributed to the disaster.

oh come on...you've never been in a crush at football..?
no problems at other games with similar crowds....really ?
and no..experts have given evidence that there were not more there...experts... not a bloke who has never witnessed a crush and thinks other big games haven't had similar problems but has actually said ON THIS THREAD.. he has been in similar.

Was referring to other semi final same day was there a problem there? Yes ive got crushed at leppings rd end Hillsborough amongst many grounds including ninian park I didnt say there was never crushes anywhere else that's your interpretation of what I said! As for experts fine they counted all the fans in and out of ground and looked at the tickets as well i Stand corrected!! Whilst they are experts at whatever you call people counting I love you to explain to me how they came to fact there was not to many fans at that end or waiting outside turnstiles?

Just to remind you of what Boris Johnson said about Hillborough.

obviously believed the police statements that have since been discredited..
as many on here have .
there is zero evidence of ticketless fans...

Just to remind you of what Boris Johnson said about Hillborough.

obviously believed the police statements that have since been discredited..
as many on here have .
there is zero evidence of ticketless fans...

Answer me this fans who went through turnstiles had tickets ... but how do you or experts ect ect know what fans had tickets or not outside ground? only way that could be established was to physically see tickets Did that happen Doubt it did? whilst no evidence to say there was no ticketless fans but also there was no evidence to say they had tickets was there? .

I was there that day I didn't get in but can comment on what happened outside the ground.
For anyone that has been to Hillsborough and knows where the good pubs are, that's where I was with some friends from polytechnic (as it was in those days) as my ticket was coming down with my mates brother.

It's a fairly long story so I will cut it short, I got ticket as mates brother got off coach and took taxi to where we were. Many beers were drunk and a good time had by all as it's Hillsborough, huge away end so no problems. They, the police, held 40, 50, 60 probably more I genuinely don't know coaches back until very near kick off time. Result, a huge amount of people rushing into turnstiles at same time trying to make kick off time. I can remember as clear as day, saying f**k this, it's pointless we'll just get bashed by the old bill.

Then, all hell broke lose, ambulances stacked up, couldn't get near the away end, people trying to help, just about everything was so fucked, young coppers crying into their radios, even the police horse riders dismounted to help, it was that bad.

Whoever was in charge that day. Well, I'll make no further comment.

Just to remind you of what Boris Johnson said about Hillborough.

obviously believed the police statements that have since been discredited..
as many on here have .
there is zero evidence of ticketless fans...

Answer me this fans who went through turnstiles had tickets ... but how do you or experts ect ect know what fans had tickets or not outside ground? only way that could be established was to physically see tickets Did that happen Doubt it did? whilst no evidence to say there was no ticketless fans but also there was no evidence to say they had tickets was there? .

its YOU claiming people did not have tickets.
NOT THE POLICE
NOT swfc
NOT independent experts.
NOT the court
NOT the lawyers representing Duckenfield.
NOT the inquest
just YOU and a few others

so how does this spin onto me to prove everyone had a ticket...when the ONLY people that said there were ticketless fans have now admitted they lied ffs.