Disgusting Welcome for our New Manager

If we were booing him before the kick off then fine otherwise I find your message well overboard if we cannot state our concerns then where can we,

You may disagree but we all have views and I for one will loved to be proven wrong but this appointment says to me Tan doesn't want to spend money and went for the cheapest option as he has the same problems at Millwall as we complain about at Cardiff.

West Brom went for a big name manager and look where they are well above us at the moment and playing really well too and are they a bigger club than us I don't think so.

We need a manager with a reputation to move on. Really, Lampard only.got the Derby job and Gerrard the Rangers should because of their contacts and rep, knowing the clubs could use that to lure players in and get easy loans.

I dont know what to think really, but we have to give him a chance. He is young and determined and of course wants to do well

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

Can you explain how you are any bigger now than 15years ago? You are a Championship club, (known around the world for being in the Premiership LOL) Big stadium,But only half full LOL.Of course people will remember you for being bottom of the Premiership for you whole season there.FFS face facts your in the bottom half of the Championship and may yet be fighting relegation, just about the the situation that would attract the Joe average manager.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

Can you explain how you are any bigger now than 15years ago? You are a Championship club, (known around the world for being in the Premiership LOL) Big stadium,But only half full LOL.Of course people will remember you for being bottom of the Premiership for you whole season there.FFS face facts your in the bottom half of the Championship and may yet be fighting relegation, just about the the situation that would attract the Joe average manager.

Are you pissed?

How are we bigger now than we were 15 years ago?

Our average attendance since 2004 is almost double for a start.

I don't think there's any point is listing any other reasons, your post is utterly ridiculous, I'll leave Sven to rip you apart, he's more than capable

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

Can you explain how you are any bigger now than 15years ago? You are a Championship club, (known around the world for being in the Premiership LOL) Big stadium,But only half full LOL.Of course people will remember you for being bottom of the Premiership for you whole season there.FFS face facts your in the bottom half of the Championship and may yet be fighting relegation, just about the the situation that would attract the Joe average manager.

Big stadium,half full?? Try 2/3 full,and bottom of the premier league the whole season?? Them people who do the tables have a lot to answer for,I'm sure they had us higher than bottom same results in school Jackflash? Tries hard,must do better,bless.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

Can you explain how you are any bigger now than 15years ago? You are a Championship club, (known around the world for being in the Premiership LOL) Big stadium,But only half full LOL.Of course people will remember you for being bottom of the Premiership for you whole season there.FFS face facts your in the bottom half of the Championship and may yet be fighting relegation, just about the the situation that would attract the Joe average manager.

so going by this logic Swansea are no bigger either...which draws the question...why are you not on newports board..

I can't remember but did we put out the bunting when Trollope was appointed as manager? I rather expect that our attitude towards Harris will be somewhat dependant on the results in our next two games. Get a win and a draw say and we will be much happier. A draw and defeat and the doubters will be out in force. Couple of defeats and we will be calling for his head. Bit unlucky that his first two games are away to clubs higher than us in the league.

Agreed, too many keyboard warriors writing him off before he has even arrived.

Ah the gypos... noisy far afar. Time was we would turn up in Swansea, and they’d be very quiet. We’d even go on their end to say hello, but nothing. That was a cause for lol...

Think about this
What if NW knew the transfer embargo was coming,strange isn’t it that the embargo lasts as long as it would take to pay the Sala fee,NW then knows the writing is on the wall regarding players in,not wanting the club possibility relegated further under his stewardship decides to leave at the end of this current season knowing the current players couldn’t possibly go down this season.
Football is a small world where everyone knows everything,NH since leaving the Wall hasn’t been linked to any job since,so him taking the job is no surprise because realistically what are we expecting

Think about this
What if NW knew the transfer embargo was coming,strange isn’t it that the embargo lasts as long as it would take to pay the Sala fee,NW then knows the writing is on the wall regarding players in,not wanting the club possibility relegated further under his stewardship decides to leave at the end of this current season knowing the current players couldn’t possibly go down this season.
Football is a small world where everyone knows everything,NH since leaving the Wall hasn’t been linked to any job since,so him taking the job is no surprise because realistically what are we expecting

I don't think there will be a transfer embargo. Once the final decision has been made, the club will have no option other than to abide by that decision. I have never heard them say that they will not pay the money should they be instructed to do so. The solicitors will battle it out, more than likely Cardiff will lose the case and cough up.

Think about this
What if NW knew the transfer embargo was coming,strange isn’t it that the embargo lasts as long as it would take to pay the Sala fee,NW then knows the writing is on the wall regarding players in,not wanting the club possibility relegated further under his stewardship decides to leave at the end of this current season knowing the current players couldn’t possibly go down this season.
Football is a small world where everyone knows everything,NH since leaving the Wall hasn’t been linked to any job since,so him taking the job is no surprise because realistically what are we expecting

even if we end up with a transfer ban it will not be this January.....

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

What’s the stature of the club then?

It seems the stature of Cardiff City as a club is wildly different within the city than it is for the rest of the worlds population.

Cardiff won a single trophy in the 1920’s, 26 years after Victorian times, 15 years after the Titanic disaster and 9 years after World War 1 where soldiers were still fighting on horseback. There are few few, if any, Cardiff fans that go today that remember it.

It has had 2 top flight visits in the last half a century, relegated each time at the first attempt. For the majority of the last 60 years it has had attendances that resemble figures that hover around 8,000, often dipping below 3,000 and 4,000. It has one of the worst away followings in the league and latest figures showed high levels of debt with very small naturally generated income (without PL money).

Why people within Cardiff insist on bizarrely pretending the club is massive and constantly having to reassure each other that the fantasy they have created with each other is actually reality is beyond me.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

What’s the stature of the club then?

It seems the stature of Cardiff City as a club is wildly different within the city than it is for the rest of the worlds population.

Cardiff won a single trophy in the 1920’s, 26 years after Victorian times, 15 years after the Titanic disaster and 9 years after World War 1 where soldiers were still fighting on horseback. There are few few, if any, Cardiff fans that go today that remember it.

It has had 2 top flight visits in the last half a century, relegated each time at the first attempt. For the majority of the last 60 years it has had attendances that resemble figures that hover around 8,000, often dipping below 3,000 and 4,000. It has one of the worst away followings in the league and latest figures showed high levels of debt with very small naturally generated income (without PL money).

Why people within Cardiff insist on bizarrely pretending the club is massive and constantly having to reassure each other that the fantasy they have created with each other is actually reality is beyond me.

just treating you with contempt you deserve!

Harris may or may not succeed but most millwall fans were sorry he left football fans are fickle but he did turn millwall from a basket case of a football club under Holloway to settled well run with a decent youth academy on an absolute shoestring two Wembley play off finals two quarter finals in the fa cup while in league 1 3 successive fa cup wins over premier league clubs , the chairman and several players tried to persuade him to stay , he's an honest and decent man and a good man manager , give him a fair chance you might be pleasantly surprised I hope so

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

What’s the stature of the club then?

It seems the stature of Cardiff City as a club is wildly different within the city than it is for the rest of the worlds population.

Cardiff won a single trophy in the 1920’s, 26 years after Victorian times, 15 years after the Titanic disaster and 9 years after World War 1 where soldiers were still fighting on horseback. There are few few, if any, Cardiff fans that go today that remember it.

It has had 2 top flight visits in the last half a century, relegated each time at the first attempt. For the majority of the last 60 years it has had attendances that resemble figures that hover around 8,000, often dipping below 3,000 and 4,000. It has one of the worst away followings in the league and latest figures showed high levels of debt with very small naturally generated income (without PL money).

Why people within Cardiff insist on bizarrely pretending the club is massive and constantly having to reassure each other that the fantasy they have created with each other is actually reality is beyond me.

And your attendances? ?????, we are 14th,and still get much bigger attendances than you,who have been near the top all season, still in a better position, without the yanks

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

What’s the stature of the club then?

It seems the stature of Cardiff City as a club is wildly different within the city than it is for the rest of the worlds population.

Cardiff won a single trophy in the 1920’s, 26 years after Victorian times, 15 years after the Titanic disaster and 9 years after World War 1 where soldiers were still fighting on horseback. There are few few, if any, Cardiff fans that go today that remember it.

It has had 2 top flight visits in the last half a century, relegated each time at the first attempt. For the majority of the last 60 years it has had attendances that resemble figures that hover around 8,000, often dipping below 3,000 and 4,000. It has one of the worst away followings in the league and latest figures showed high levels of debt with very small naturally generated income (without PL money).

Why people within Cardiff insist on bizarrely pretending the club is massive and constantly having to reassure each other that the fantasy they have created with each other is actually reality is beyond me.

And your attendances? ?????, we are 14th,and still get much bigger attendances than you,who have been near the top all season, still in a better position, without the yanks

We don’t pretend we are a massive club, it’s irrelevant.

We are fully aware that we are a middling club like yourselves. Perfectly happy with that too and don’t feel the need to pretend otherwise.

just treating you with contempt you deserve!

For stating the obvious?

Whatever floats your boat I guess Al.

I've not seen one fan on here rip 'neil Harris's appointment but the ones above who's making the the decisions.really underwhelming appointment which got the slade days written all over it in my opinion but I'll still back him.and nearly every fellow poster on here who was against the appointment said the same.

But as for you saying we couldn't attract big names where do you get that from? I can remember some really big names going for the job when ogs and warnock got the jobs at different times,why would they if we was so small fry? Our attendances were about mid table in the premier league. How can Preston attract Alex neil? And If your going off 80-100 posters on a forum for a discusting welcome you do realise theres 28k+ following.

I agree with the OP, for so called fans to write off our new manager before he's even had a training session and with such vitriol is shocking.

As for those saying we are a big club.... Wake up there are at least 35 clubs bigger than us just in England never mind on a world level.

I travel a lot in Germany and Belgium with work and nobody knows us.

I agree with the OP, for so called fans to write off our new manager before he's even had a training session and with such vitriol is shocking.

As for those saying we are a big club.... Wake up there are at least 35 clubs bigger than us just in England never mind on a world level.

I travel a lot in Germany and Belgium with work and nobody knows us.

go on, ill bite.. what sort of criteria puts AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us.

I agree with the OP, for so called fans to write off our new manager before he's even had a training session and with such vitriol is shocking.

As for those saying we are a big club.... Wake up there are at least 35 clubs bigger than us just in England never mind on a world level.

I travel a lot in Germany and Belgium with work and nobody knows us.

go on, ill bite.. what sort of criteria puts AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us.

I don't think the number of trophies won decides what makes a big club. I have never thought of Leicester, Blackburn or even Nottingham Forest as big clubs, even though they have all won some big competitions during my time of following the game. The big clubs are fairly obvious and I think most know who they would be. I think of us as a medium size club with some potential, but we would need a prolonged stay in the PL if we are ever to get close to realising that potential. I agree with the poster who said there are plenty of people living overseas who have never heard of us, but that is not surprising, I spend a few months most years in the States, and there are people there who have never even heard of Wales, and many of the ones who have heard of us think Wales is somewhere in England.

I agree with the OP, for so called fans to write off our new manager before he's even had a training session and with such vitriol is shocking.

As for those saying we are a big club.... Wake up there are at least 35 clubs bigger than us just in England never mind on a world level.

I travel a lot in Germany and Belgium with work and nobody knows us.

go on, ill bite.. what sort of criteria puts AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us.

I don't think the number of trophies won decides what makes a big club. I have never thought of Leicester, Blackburn or even Nottingham Forest as big clubs, even though they have all won some big competitions during my time of following the game. The big clubs are fairly obvious and I think most know who they would be. I think of us as a medium size club with some potential, but we would need a prolonged stay in the PL if we are ever to get close to realising that potential. I agree with the poster who said there are plenty of people living overseas who have never heard of us, but that is not surprising, I spend a few months most years in the States, and there are people there who have never even heard of Wales, and many of the ones who have heard of us think Wales is somewhere in England.

I asked by what criteria are there AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us mate..

I understand fans bigging our/your own club up..
but putting it down ?
AT LEAST 35

I agree with the OP, for so called fans to write off our new manager before he's even had a training session and with such vitriol is shocking.

As for those saying we are a big club.... Wake up there are at least 35 clubs bigger than us just in England never mind on a world level.

I travel a lot in Germany and Belgium with work and nobody knows us.

go on, ill bite.. what sort of criteria puts AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us.

I don't think the number of trophies won decides what makes a big club. I have never thought of Leicester, Blackburn or even Nottingham Forest as big clubs, even though they have all won some big competitions during my time of following the game. The big clubs are fairly obvious and I think most know who they would be. I think of us as a medium size club with some potential, but we would need a prolonged stay in the PL if we are ever to get close to realising that potential. I agree with the poster who said there are plenty of people living overseas who have never heard of us, but that is not surprising, I spend a few months most years in the States, and there are people there who have never even heard of Wales, and many of the ones who have heard of us think Wales is somewhere in England.

I asked by what criteria are there AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us mate..

I understand fans bigging our/your own club up..
but putting it down ?
AT LEAST 35

I was agreeing with you. It's impossible to say whether or not there are 35 clubs bigger than us, because we all have different ideas on what makes a big club. Like I mentioned earlier, even though Forest have been European champions twice as well as league winners, and Leicester have done brilliantly in recent years, in my mind they are both similar size clubs to us. I expect some would say they are bigger because of recent successes, but despite Leeds for example lacking in everything for a long time now, I would still say they are a far bigger club than Leicester with far more potential of long term success, and can certainly draw in the fans.

I agree with the OP, for so called fans to write off our new manager before he's even had a training session and with such vitriol is shocking.

As for those saying we are a big club.... Wake up there are at least 35 clubs bigger than us just in England never mind on a world level.

I travel a lot in Germany and Belgium with work and nobody knows us.

go on, ill bite.. what sort of criteria puts AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us.

I don't think the number of trophies won decides what makes a big club. I have never thought of Leicester, Blackburn or even Nottingham Forest as big clubs, even though they have all won some big competitions during my time of following the game. The big clubs are fairly obvious and I think most know who they would be. I think of us as a medium size club with some potential, but we would need a prolonged stay in the PL if we are ever to get close to realising that potential. I agree with the poster who said there are plenty of people living overseas who have never heard of us, but that is not surprising, I spend a few months most years in the States, and there are people there who have never even heard of Wales, and many of the ones who have heard of us think Wales is somewhere in England.

I asked by what criteria are there AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us mate..

I understand fans bigging our/your own club up..
but putting it down ?
AT LEAST 35

I was agreeing with you. It's impossible to say whether or not there are 35 clubs bigger than us, because we all have different ideas on what makes a big club. Like I mentioned earlier, even though Forest have been European champions twice as well as league winners, and Leicester have done brilliantly in recent years, in my mind they are both similar size clubs to us. I expect some would say they are bigger because of recent successes, but despite Leeds for example lacking in everything for a long time now, I would still say they are a far bigger club than Leicester with far more potential of long term success, and can certainly draw in the fans.

had the bloke said 20 or even 25...but 35 Steve..
so I asked.. …..personally I don't go along with the trophy count either if for no other reason it puts West Ham who are a big club way down the list..

I agree with the OP, for so called fans to write off our new manager before he's even had a training session and with such vitriol is shocking.

As for those saying we are a big club.... Wake up there are at least 35 clubs bigger than us just in England never mind on a world level.

I travel a lot in Germany and Belgium with work and nobody knows us.

go on, ill bite.. what sort of criteria puts AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us.

I don't think the number of trophies won decides what makes a big club. I have never thought of Leicester, Blackburn or even Nottingham Forest as big clubs, even though they have all won some big competitions during my time of following the game. The big clubs are fairly obvious and I think most know who they would be. I think of us as a medium size club with some potential, but we would need a prolonged stay in the PL if we are ever to get close to realising that potential. I agree with the poster who said there are plenty of people living overseas who have never heard of us, but that is not surprising, I spend a few months most years in the States, and there are people there who have never even heard of Wales, and many of the ones who have heard of us think Wales is somewhere in England.

I asked by what criteria are there AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us mate..

I understand fans bigging our/your own club up..
but putting it down ?
AT LEAST 35

Hes in a wind up by his reckoning over a quarter of clubs in premier/efl are bigger than us pure bonkers ... and cardiff is known throughout world not for football but as a city! except in USA but there again Americans only know USA places they are so insular:laughing6:

I agree with the OP, for so called fans to write off our new manager before he's even had a training session and with such vitriol is shocking.

As for those saying we are a big club.... Wake up there are at least 35 clubs bigger than us just in England never mind on a world level.

I travel a lot in Germany and Belgium with work and nobody knows us.

go on, ill bite.. what sort of criteria puts AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us.

I don't think the number of trophies won decides what makes a big club. I have never thought of Leicester, Blackburn or even Nottingham Forest as big clubs, even though they have all won some big competitions during my time of following the game. The big clubs are fairly obvious and I think most know who they would be. I think of us as a medium size club with some potential, but we would need a prolonged stay in the PL if we are ever to get close to realising that potential. I agree with the poster who said there are plenty of people living overseas who have never heard of us, but that is not surprising, I spend a few months most years in the States, and there are people there who have never even heard of Wales, and many of the ones who have heard of us think Wales is somewhere in England.

I asked by what criteria are there AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us mate..

I understand fans bigging our/your own club up..
but putting it down ?
AT LEAST 35

I was agreeing with you. It's impossible to say whether or not there are 35 clubs bigger than us, because we all have different ideas on what makes a big club. Like I mentioned earlier, even though Forest have been European champions twice as well as league winners, and Leicester have done brilliantly in recent years, in my mind they are both similar size clubs to us. I expect some would say they are bigger because of recent successes, but despite Leeds for example lacking in everything for a long time now, I would still say they are a far bigger club than Leicester with far more potential of long term success, and can certainly draw in the fans.

had the bloke said 20 or even 25...but 35 Steve..
so I asked.. …..personally I don't go along with the trophy count either if for no other reason it puts West Ham who are a big club way down the list..

I agree, and I also think different generations have different views as to what makes a big club. Trophies make a successful club, but using Forest as an example, that doesn't make them a big club.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

Exactly. The fact that they have gone for Harris is a worrying indication that Tan is intent on getting some of his money back. A bigger name would have been interested but would have demanded a chunk of the parachute payment over the next two transfer windows. Neil Harris is an out of work manager who realistically would otherwise be looking at a League One club for his next job.

The only activity we will see in the next transfer window is the wrong way. Expect the side will be dismantled in the same way that Slade was instructed to do.

Exatly its pathetic lot bigger better names out there who the club could have gone 4 but we chose the easy option

Don't be so dramatic, its just a forum. He has had no such thing as a 'disgusting welcome'.

His welcome will be at the stadium and when he meets fans in and around the area.

I have said myself I am disappointed and underwhelmed that doesn't mean that I have given our new manager a 'disgusting' welcome, if I go to Charlton which is 50/50 at the moment I will give him the biggest cheer I can, sing his name and support him like I would any manager of Cardiff City Football Club. He will be open to the same level of support or criticism as those that have gone before him.

Its an internet forum where we can discuss the pros and cons of the team, manager whatever it may be, we are never going to all sing from

the same hymn sheet as fans as we are all different, with varying opinions, that's what makes forums great places to discuss things.

The day that ends and people aren't honest is the day Football Forums will no longer have a place.

my point exatly a lot of people said harris wouldn't be there choice saying that's a disgusting welcome is laughable

go on, ill bite.. what sort of criteria puts AT LEAST 35 clubs bigger than us.

History, achievements, following, top flight seasons, trophy wins in living memory, global interest, self generated financial income....

Do I go on?