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Re: Nigel Farage

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:38 am

Pennydarrenblue wrote:
Jock wrote:
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
Jock wrote:
Pennydarrenblue wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He doesnt need to be a MP
He can still be prime minister as he will be voted as leader of the brexit party

I dont think thats true you have to be a serving mp


Nope
You decide who the MPs are then the party decide on a leader. That person does not necessarily have to be a MP. He can be elected as a minister or even be a representative of the house of lords.


Technically that’s correct but “ the monarch appoints as prime minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons”. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, for an unelected person to command the confidence of the Commons.

Bottom line is that Farage is a coward. He’s failed to win a seat in 7 attempts so can’t face that failure again.


But he is and still will be after the election a elected MEP. Given we are still in the EU that will be motion enough to allow him to take control, he would then have 6 months to become a MP in his own right through a Bi-election

He is being quite clever not standing really, this election is going to be a massive wake up call to a lot of current MPs who will lose there jobs after the discusting way they have treated a democratic vote of the people



Agree. They took us for mugs lied to us won the leave vote then they all disappeared. They had no plan no guts no leadership. They took me for a fool. I should never have been asked to make a decision on something I know very little on. It wasn’t fair. The mps sheeted they response abilities to represent and make decisions on our behalf.

There is absolutely no way you voted for Brexit.


As usual Jock finds it impossible to believe people think differently to him. Now that is arrogance.


Because it reads like remainer propaganda.


When I voted leave I voted for leave. Not leave with a deal that kept as in a bit. And now Norris has decided to not allow us to finish what we started how dare he not give us a vote to decide to accept or reject his deal.

Leave means leave.

So For you the choice should be leave(partially) on Boris’s deal or remain? Or do you want to simply walk away with no deal.

Re: Nigel Farage

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:46 am

I want a say on wether people want to leave no deal as was on the ballot paper. Or this watered down version so called borris’s great deal.

They don’t want us to leave and it’s unacceptable.

Re: Nigel Farage

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:56 am

So where do you stand jock. Remain or leave?

Re: Nigel Farage

Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:47 am

Pennydarrenblue wrote:So where do you stand jock. Remain or leave?

Leave mate, I said weeks ago Boris would sell us out and I’m still waiting for clarification on if we will or won’t be able to make independent trade deals, as we still seem to be aligned to EU regs. Mark Twain once Said if voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it, beginning to think he was right.
My apologies initially I thought you were pushing the Brexiteers are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for. Every leaver I know voted to leave the Customs Union, ECJ and the Single Market.

Re: Nigel Farage

Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:09 pm

The zealots are making this impossible. Farage is a zealot as are the libs.

The country voted to leave, but it wasn't 2 for leave and 1 to stay it was 13 leave to 12 to stay. Yes, i know if it was the other way around it would have been dead and buried within 12 hours of the result, but we are where we are.

We are 21 miles from continental Europe connected by a tunnel and numerous sea routes. They are our biggest partner, we simply can't dismiss them and tow the country 2000 mile eastwards and be the 51st state.

Farage acts as if there was a massive mandate, if we rerun the referendum again it would be close again, there's still no mandate for extreme measures.

Leavers voted for many reasons, there were two leave campaigns with different emphasis. No one person speaks for them

Farage loves the limelight, i doubt he needs the money, but loves being centre of attention.

If the tories can't muster a majority, brexit is dead. I hope Farage's ego doesn't get in the way.

If there's another referendum i won't vote four years of tossing around with no leadership has run its course, we need to move on which other way.

Boris's deal is as good as we can expect.

The libs revoke pledge is as anti democratic as anything Russia, China or North Korea could muster. Another referendum is pushing it but straight revoke is taking the piss.

Re: Nigel Farage

Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:07 pm

llan bluebird wrote:The zealots are making this impossible. Farage is a zealot as are the libs.

The country voted to leave, but it wasn't 2 for leave and 1 to stay it was 13 leave to 12 to stay. Yes, i know if it was the other way around it would have been dead and buried within 12 hours of the result, but we are where we are.

We are 21 miles from continental Europe connected by a tunnel and numerous sea routes. They are our biggest partner, we simply can't dismiss them and tow the country 2000 mile eastwards and be the 51st state.

Farage acts as if there was a massive mandate, if we rerun the referendum again it would be close again, there's still no mandate for extreme measures.

Leavers voted for many reasons, there were two leave campaigns with different emphasis. No one person speaks for them

Farage loves the limelight, i doubt he needs the money, but loves being centre of attention.

If the tories can't muster a majority, brexit is dead. I hope Farage's ego doesn't get in the way.

If there's another referendum i won't vote four years of tossing around with no leadership has run its course, we need to move on which other way.

Boris's deal is as good as we can expect.

The libs revoke pledge is as anti democratic as anything Russia, China or North Korea could muster. Another referendum is pushing it but straight revoke is taking the piss.



leaving never meant leaving the continent. just a trade block. doesn't mean we can not continue to deal with the EU or visit EU countries or vice versa. just means it would be more on our terms than at present..
we should have left first done deals second when both parties had clear agendas without a bunch of what ifs in the background..
I really do not think that's the best deal we could get. The EU and their negotiators knew how under pressure both PMs were , knew there was still a lot of fight in the remain campaign and knew many MPs were prepared to be undemocratic and stifle Brexit.. the negotiations were stacked against our representatives from the getgo so therefore doubt it even possible under those conditions to get the best deal. we should have left and grasped if not the upper ground at least a level field.

Re: Nigel Farage

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:16 pm

"Perfect is the enemy of good enough"

Get out first, its only a short term transition deal, then negotiate with the spectre of no deal.

Hung parliament with Lab,Nats and libs and its gone.

Re: Nigel Farage

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:00 pm

llan bluebird wrote:"Perfect is the enemy of good enough"

Get out first, its only a short term transition deal, then negotiate with the spectre of no deal.

Hung parliament with Lab,Nats and libs and its gone.



oh I agree, although it might have sounded like I didn't , I think we need to get out to some extent for sake of democracy { although im not sure we will }.
May was the wrong person with the wrong ideas to take it forward from the start and the further down the line we went the weaker our position became.