' I’m still pro Warnock '

Great debate but oh dear.

I am not interested in the past, only the future. And so should we all be. The future is, he leaves at the seasons end, the present is, a poorly assembled disjointed squad playing old school frustrating predictable rigid football, and gutless in a local derby. I rest my case, but what do I know, I'm a clown right?

im afraid the reality is the football is very much the same as in year one when he dragged us up the league and year 2 when we won promotion. when we win its acceptable but when we lose it looks awful..
I don't agree its old school because teams and managers have always played in different ways with different tactics to one and other..
don't agree yesterday was gutless either. we lost 1 nil in their world series final ,lack of effort would have resulted in a proper hammering.. not having probably our best 2 performers from the Millwall game did not help and far too many players had bad games

Great debate but oh dear.

I am not interested in the past, only the future. And so should we all be. The future is, he leaves at the seasons end, the present is, a poorly assembled disjointed squad playing old school frustrating predictable rigid football, and gutless in a local derby. I rest my case, but what do I know, I'm a clown right?

im afraid the reality is the football is very much the same as in year one when he dragged us up the league and year 2 when we won promotion. when we win its acceptable but when we lose it looks awful..
I don't agree its old school because teams and managers have always played in different ways with different tactics to one and other..
don't agree yesterday was gutless either. we lost 1 nil in their world series final ,lack of effort would have resulted in a proper hammering.. not having probably our best 2 performers from the Millwall game did not help and far too many players had bad games

And I’m afraid the reality is, that should have been our World Series final too. To be outperformed in every department by them was sickening to stomach, and having played in tasty local derbies against better players myself I have seen what local rivalry and bragging rights can bring out in teams, that other games don’t get. Gutsiness, and I’ve seen that go a long way to producing positive outcomes. So yesterday, gutless. The score line flattered us, and my guts almost ended up in the toilet. I didn’t like mackays football much, but preferred it to Neils. The 3 successors to mackay have clearly made many fans label Neil a legend of the club,such was the dross they served. that’s up to them to label. I struggle with that when I see Clark, Keenor and even loyal stalwarts like McNaughton and Whitt’s or local heroes like Earnie. The Fact is Neil and Blackwell don’t know their best side from one game to the next, the players look bewildered, no wonder Reid deserted ship. Where’s the years of experience and legend status coming into play there? It isn’t,

Great debate but oh dear.

I am not interested in the past, only the future. And so should we all be. The future is, he leaves at the seasons end, the present is, a poorly assembled disjointed squad playing old school frustrating predictable rigid football, and gutless in a local derby. I rest my case, but what do I know, I'm a clown right?

im afraid the reality is the football is very much the same as in year one when he dragged us up the league and year 2 when we won promotion. when we win its acceptable but when we lose it looks awful..
I don't agree its old school because teams and managers have always played in different ways with different tactics to one and other..
don't agree yesterday was gutless either. we lost 1 nil in their world series final ,lack of effort would have resulted in a proper hammering.. not having probably our best 2 performers from the Millwall game did not help and far too many players had bad games

And I’m afraid the reality is, that should have been our World Series final too. To be outperformed in every department by them was sickening to stomach, and having played in tasty local derbies against better players myself I have seen what local rivalry and bragging rights can bring out in teams, that other games don’t get. Gutsiness, and I’ve seen that go a long way to producing positive outcomes. So yesterday, gutless. The score line flattered us, and my guts almost ended up in the toilet. I didn’t like mackays football much, but preferred it to Neils. The 3 successors to mackay have clearly made many fans label Neil a legend of the club,such was the dross they served. that’s up to them to label. I struggle with that when I see Clark, Keenor and even loyal stalwarts like McNaughton and Whitt’s or local heroes like Earnie. The Fact is Neil and Blackwell don’t know their best side from one game to the next, the players look bewildered, no wonder Reid deserted ship. Where’s the years of experience and legend status coming into play there? It isn’t,

we were not good enough on the day mate it was mistake after mistake after mistake..ive read how they had a gazzilion chances and could have won 4-0 , they did not because our players who were completely outplayed DID bust a gut to last ditch tackle and block...try re watching the game... I read similar comments about lack of effort/gutless after Man City last year and tbh I assumed the closest the people making these idiotic remarks had come to actually playing /coaching themselves was having once been a sub in blow football. you seem to have played football yourself..surely along with this seeing what a derby can bring out ,if you played often enough you should also have encountered teams that were just too good for you on the day where effort itself was simply not enough other than to keep the score down.
Sunday was an awful performance but they did try...

They tried, if they didn’t there would be absolute murder on these forums . Trying isn’t enough I’m sorry. Not only do you bring your A game to local derbies, you bring that extra something else that maybe doesn’t have a name, guts, the force, hwyl, identity whatever You want to call it, maybe it’s the great unnamed! That’s what comes from the training pitch, the build up during the week, the changing room. It comes from the coaching staff instilling into the players the importance of territory and history, there was none of that. It helps if we have long serving or local or even Welsh players who can Instill that in to their team mates. We don’t have that, they didn’t have many of those players , but gut wrenchingly I saw from them, what we should have had. We had the more experienced manager and he failed us. They were a better team on the pitch on the day, but I saw more passion and hunger and a desire to have the bragging rights from them. But hey , we tried

Change now.

They tried, if they didn’t there would be absolute murder on these forums . Trying isn’t enough I’m sorry. Not only do you bring your A game to local derbies, you bring that extra something else that maybe doesn’t have a name, guts, the force, hwyl, identity whatever You want to call it, maybe it’s the great unnamed! That’s what comes from the training pitch, the build up during the week, the changing room. It comes from the coaching staff instilling into the players the importance of territory and history, there was none of that. It helps if we have long serving or local or even Welsh players who can I still that in to their team mates. We don’t have that, they didn’t have many if those players , but gut wrenching Kay I saw from them, what we should have had. We had the more experienced manager and he failed us. They were a better team on the pitch on the day, but I saw more passion and hunger and a desire to have the bragging rights from them. But hey , we tried

Change now.

im aware trying is not enough so please don't try to make out that ive said it is...I responded to your remark and what ive been reading on here for 2 days how our players could not be bothered and were gutless...there were 4 or 5 shots blocked in the final 5 minutes alone. those players making the blocks were not just standing around... id also like a few locals in our team too, im sure jack fans feel the same and they won.. bottom line is if Flint scores that header or Whyte scores the volley the anti Warnock /general moans on here would be reduced by 80%..

Great debate but oh dear.

I am not interested in the past, only the future. And so should we all be. The future is, he leaves at the seasons end, the present is, a poorly assembled disjointed squad playing old school frustrating predictable rigid football, and gutless in a local derby. I rest my case, but what do I know, I'm a clown right?

If you don’t think the man is a City legend yep chief clown I’m afraid.

Great debate but oh dear.

I am not interested in the past, only the future. And so should we all be. The future is, he leaves at the seasons end, the present is, a poorly assembled disjointed squad playing old school frustrating predictable rigid football, and gutless in a local derby. I rest my case, but what do I know, I'm a clown right?

If you don’t think the man is a City legend yep chief clown I’m afraid.

Ok we have a lot of Managerial legends then, From the last 25 years Lennie, Jones, Mackay and now Warnock. You call names to those who disagree with you, that’s where I bow out. Legend or genius are words that not everybody interprets the same , me it’s players that come closest to that kind of praise.

Staved off relegation, won promotion, poor EPL season, relegation, very poor return to championship, millions wasted, embarrassing derby defeat......... Club legend.

A mixed bag for me.

And I Am a clown.

However an absolute legend in the way he dealt with our Sala tragedy, a credit to our sport.

He seems a great bloke. I like him, Just wished his football and signings excited me, they never have.

However an absolute legend in the way he dealt with our Sala tragedy, a credit to our sport.

He seems a great bloke. I like him, Just wished his football and signings excited me, they never have.

I would fully understand this if it was from day 1.
im not one bit surprised that we do not play flowing football from back to front with 20 pass crisp moves...
I am surprised that so many expected Neil Warnock to morph into Pep...and Tan into sheik mazoomas

However an absolute legend in the way he dealt with our Sala tragedy, a credit to our sport.

He seems a great bloke. I like him, Just wished his football and signings excited me, they never have.

United the club. Brought the fans back on side after the rebrand fiasco. Has helped in all aspects of improving us as a club. Arguably most responsible for the fact the debt is reducing so much. (I would argue Tan but many won’t have that).

Took a club that was going one way, spent very little money and turned us into a team that finished second and took us up.

Then had a go at staying up and we were (arguably) a dodgy offside decision away from staying up. We certainly had a reyt go compared to the money we spent.

NW has done more fir the club than almost any other manager but we are looking very average and have done for all the season.
The talk of last season of keeping the players and really going for it to get back in the Premier seem empty now .
Time for a change ....

However an absolute legend in the way he dealt with our Sala tragedy, a credit to our sport.

He seems a great bloke. I like him, Just wished his football and signings excited me, they never have.

I would fully understand this if it was from day 1.
im not one bit surprised that we do not play flowing football from back to front with 20 pass crisp moves...
I am surprised that so many expected Neil Warnock to morph into Pep...and Tan into sheik mazoomas

I would be suprised if we morphed into that too.

Reality is, you can play good exciting and entertaining football without doing that.

I really enjoyed watching the signings, and the football they played under Dave Jones. It broke my heart with the Wembley failures because I loved those players. He was guilty of not sorting out the left back and centre midfield positions that would have helped reachiur goals. It was close, but playing good stuff. I’m not mystic meg, but I think that squad would have had a right go in the EPL, we only have a go under Neil , when it’s practically to late, last season in the EPL and even against the Jacks on Saturday. The 3 previous managers were shocking and it’s made Neil understandably look like a legend. But whatever label we put on him, wether you like results driven football at the cost of entertainment and excitement, the facts are things are very wrong on the pitch, and sadly Neil looks like he is out of ideas to fix it. I would love it if he could, and suddenly we start playing good attacking football, picking the right pass,keeping the ball, not relying on the wingers for pace and creativity, stop the ball watching etc. But can you see it? Sadly I can’t.

He leaves in 7 months, let’s start planning for the future , let’s put in a blueprint to start entertaining our fans again and hopefully see a return to the club of the calibre of players that Jones brought in. The majority of these players today seem tailored to neils style , and I think many would struggle under a new man with different ideas. So change now, start the Merry go round and revolving door in January window, not next summer it will only delay the transition.

And, though I have seen it all before, I hope we can revert from old habits and respect debate, show some class to a fellow Bluebird, and avoid name calling etc when we disagree in these worrying times. I turned on Russell Slade, Peter Risdale and Bobby Gould in the past, I won’t do that again, I hope that doesn’t happen to Neil, it might if these performances carry on, another reason to change, he won’t deserve that, legend or not.

However an absolute legend in the way he dealt with our Sala tragedy, a credit to our sport.

He seems a great bloke. I like him, Just wished his football and signings excited me, they never have.

I would fully understand this if it was from day 1.
im not one bit surprised that we do not play flowing football from back to front with 20 pass crisp moves...
I am surprised that so many expected Neil Warnock to morph into Pep...and Tan into sheik mazoomas

I would be suprised if we morphed into that too.

Reality is, you can play good exciting and entertaining football without doing that.

I really enjoyed watching the signings, and the football they played under Dave Jones. It broke my heart with the Wembley failures because I loved those players. He was guilty of not sorting out the left back and centre midfield positions that would have helped reachiur goals. It was close, but playing good stuff. I’m not mystic meg, but I think that squad would have had a right go in the EPL, we only have a go under Neil , when it’s practically to late, last season in the EPL and even against the Jacks on Saturday. The 3 previous managers were shocking and it’s made Neil understandably look like a legend. But whatever label we put on him, wether you like results driven football at the cost of entertainment and excitement, the facts are things are very wrong on the pitch, and sadly Neil looks like he is out of ideas to fix it. I would love it if he could, and suddenly we start playing good attacking football, picking the right pass,keeping the ball, not relying on the wingers for pace and creativity, stop the ball watching etc. But can you see it? Sadly I can’t.

He leaves in 7 months, let’s start planning for the future , let’s put in a blueprint to start entertaining our fans again and hopefully see a return to the club of the calibre of players that Jones brought in. The majority of these players today seem tailored to neils style , and I think many would struggle under a new man with different ideas. So change now, start the Merry go round and revolving door in January window, not next summer it will only delay the transition.

And, though I have seen it all before, I hope we can revert from old habits and respect debate, show some class to a fellow Bluebird, and avoid name calling etc when we disagree in these worrying times. I turned on Russell Slade, Peter Risdale and Bobby Gould in the past, I won’t do that again, I hope that doesn’t happen to Neil, it might if these performances carry on, another reason to change, he won’t deserve that, legend or not.

Good words.