BREAKING:CARDIFF MUST PAY FIRST INSTALMENT FOR SALA

Yes this is just the 1st installment - so it looks like we will have to pay the lot. However - Dalman has said all along that we will pay what we contractually owe - so I think we will pay the installments as and when they fall due.

Having read it somewhere else now! why the fck cant fifa just say we are liable instead of procrastinating about the rest of money? it appears now that we will be paying rest of money on agreed dates unless fifa say otherwise at some later date? Stupid situation and totally unnecessary

I was going to suggest we sell madine to cover it for 5 million but would be lucky to get £500.

We should eventually get it back from the plane owners insurance company.

Don't think so. The players dependant relatives will have a case for loss of earnings but I cant see under what heading we will have any claim. I don't think anyone can be held responsible in negligence for the economic loss suffered by the employer as a result of injury or death of an employee. And as we didn't organise the flight we cant sue in contract. Unless our own insurance company coughs up we are going to have to bite the bullet.

Sounds to me as if City will be liable for all the money, as and when each instalment falls due. I have no doubt that they will abide by the official decision if any possible appeal fails, and that will be an end to it as far as the Cardiff/Nantes dispute is concerned.

Very oddly worded statement from Fifa, really should be more clarity.
To me it sounds like the full fee will become payable when the instalments are due. No doubt City will appeal this once they get clarification from Fifa.

Very oddly worded statement from Fifa, really should be more clarity.
To me it sounds like the full fee will become payable when the instalments are due. No doubt City will appeal this once they get clarification from Fifa.

Agreed Luke, but Emiliano Sala was our player and we have to pay the instalment that was due.

We should eventually get it back from the plane owners insurance company.

Don't think so. The players dependant relatives will have a case for loss of earnings but I cant see under what heading we will have any claim. I don't think anyone can be held responsible in negligence for the economic loss suffered by the employer as a result of injury or death of an employee. And as we didn't organise the flight we cant sue in contract. Unless our own insurance company coughs up we are going to have to bite the bullet.

IF Sala was indeed our player at time of crash,then surely we can claim the loss of a £15m asset, due to negligence,on either the plane maintenance and air worthiness, also pilots lack of correct licences to fly at night,or even the tw@ts called agents,for not using due diligence regarding plane and pilot used,I have a horrible feeling,this will drag on for some time to come,hope it doesn't as it could be a cloud over the club,we could well do without. p.s have a sneaky feeling he wasn't insured by us

Very oddly worded statement from Fifa, really should be more clarity.
To me it sounds like the full fee will become payable when the instalments are due. No doubt City will appeal this once they get clarification from Fifa.

Agreed Luke, but Emiliano Sala was our player and we have to pay the instalment that was due.

I've only seen what's in the papers, if it's due its due at the end of the day. This was always going to end up in the courts no matter what the outcome today.

Fair enough we have to pay either an instalment or even the entire amount but let’s not forget none of this was city’s fault and we offered transport for Sala but it was declined. We should not loose a penny over this and insurance should hopefully cover the costs. If this is nothing case than Cardiff city’s next step would be to sue as the maintenance of the plane was fit for purpose.

It’s such a tragic set of circumstances and a person has lost his life - we should never forget this either.

That's just what we owe for the 1st instalment. We might end up paying the full fee.

No thats not true ,its the full and final amount of you read it

Well the reports are now saying this is the 1st installment of the 3 that we owe.

We will be paying the full 15 million plus unless we hed to court then it could be alot more if we lose, what with the court fees.

Sky Sports News reporter Rebecca Williams...

For many months there has been a bitter war of words to decide who will foot the bill for the transfer fee of Argentinian striker, Emiliano Sala.

He was Cardiff's record signing and the top goalscorer for Nantes for three consecutive seasons.

After his tragic death in January there was an outpouring of grief on both sides of the Channel. I was in Nantes for several days after the news broke. Locals would tell me stories of a young man, liked by all, who would make conversation with them in the supermarket or convenience store.

Not only was he a man loved dearly by his family, but a man who had captured the hearts of his team-mates and fans, many of whom were in floods of tears as they hung yellow scarves and flowers to the icy railings outside Nantes' training ground.

But while many were grieving over Sala's death, behind the scenes lawyers were battling in boardrooms over who should cover his transfer fee.

It is my understanding that the original agreement was that Cardiff would pay in three instalments, over a three-year period, and that Nantes only complained to FIFA about not receiving the first lump sum.

Therefore, unless Cardiff appeal, it seems likely that the club will be expected to cover the entire transfer fee in due course. They insist they are seeking clarification over the exact meaning of FIFA's decision, before deciding whether to appeal.

So this legal battle could potentially be drawn out even further. Meanwhile, Sala's family await his inquest.

Very oddly worded statement from Fifa, really should be more clarity.
To me it sounds like the full fee will become payable when the instalments are due. No doubt City will appeal this once they get clarification from Fifa.

Agreed Luke, but Emiliano Sala was our player and we have to pay the instalment that was due.

I've only seen what's in the papers, if it's due its due at the end of the day. This was always going to end up in the courts no matter what the outcome today.

It is still a mess thanks to fifa! Why would nante need to appeal if they are getting the whole transfer as per contract? City have said in statement they are seeking clarification of the judgement before their next move!

Whole situation is just embarrassing for us anyway and we should just pay it without making further fuss.

Martyn Ziegler
@martynziegler
Important developing news re FIFA ruling on Sala fee - Cardiff will be expected FULL £15million fee. Nantes only complained about first instalment but precedent set for future instalments. Cardiff will appeal to CAS.
FIFA had hoped clubs would settle the issue between them.

Now that a decision has been made that he was our player, Surely the club has insurance in place that covers all the players? Or wasn’t he covered? If he wasn’t covered by some sort of insurance then surely the club need to go after the plane owners/people who organised the flight?

Whole situation is just embarrassing for us anyway and we should just pay it without making further fuss.

Have to say it's not embarrassing for me Phil. I think everyone knows the dispute between the clubs has nothing to do with players, manager or fans. Finances are of no real concern to anyone other than directors, shareholders, Chairmen etc. To be honest, if this was any other club but ours, I would not be in the slightest bit interested. I would guess most people in this country will take no more than a passing interest from this story, they probably have far more important things on their minds. The real tragedy here is that two people died, and the affect the dispute may have had on their families.

Now that a decision has been made that he was our player, Surely the club has insurance in place that covers all the players? Or wasn’t he covered? If he wasn’t covered by some sort of insurance then surely the club need to go after the plane owners/people who organised the flight?

The full 15 million must include agent fees surely?

Cardiff should pay up the 15 million fee but Nantes have been a disgrace over this issue showing no compassion whatsoever to either Cardiff or Sala family. All they have cared about from the start is the money.

Pay £5 million to Nantes to cover the losses this installment

Pay the next £5 installment installment to Salas family

Cardiff keep the other 5 million

That's a fair agreement in my eyes

Very oddly worded statement from Fifa, really should be more clarity.
To me it sounds like the full fee will become payable when the instalments are due. No doubt City will appeal this once they get clarification from Fifa.

Agreed Luke, but Emiliano Sala was our player and we have to pay the instalment that was due.

I've only seen what's in the papers, if it's due its due at the end of the day. This was always going to end up in the courts no matter what the outcome today.

It is still a mess thanks to fifa! Why would nante need to appeal if they are getting the whole transfer as per contract? City have said in statement they are seeking clarification of the judgement before their next move!

I meant if it has gone in our favour than Nantes would ha e appealed. I always thought Fifa would go with the easiest decision which is for us to pay.

I believe the next step is court of arbitration for sport. I think it was always going to end up there.

All this talk of insurance and getting money back from other sources.

You can't get £15 million from someone that doesn't have it. And insurance companies are entities who will resist paying out whenever they can.

Do Derby have "insurance" for Keogh? If they do, insurance company almost certainly going to argue policy doesnt cover someone knowingly being a passenger in a car being raced by someone youve been on a drinking binge with.

Maintenance of aircraft and unlicensed pilot all well and good but neither would be expecting to transfer a £15 million footballer and I really can't see the specifics of that being covered by any insurance that either pilot or plane owner may have.

I'd love us to have £15 million to spend again. Though maybe it's better Sir Neil doesn't have that budget.

We announced him as our player and ive said all along not at least paying the first installment puts the club in a bad light.

All this talk of insurance and getting money back from other sources.

You can't get £15 million from someone that doesn't have it. And insurance companies are entities who will resist paying out whenever they can.

Do Derby have "insurance" for Keogh? If they do, insurance company almost certainly going to argue policy doesnt cover someone knowingly being a passenger in a car being raced by someone youve been on a drinking binge with.

Maintenance of aircraft and unlicensed pilot all well and good but neither would be expecting to transfer a £15 million footballer and I really can't see the specifics of that being covered by any insurance that either pilot or plane owner may have.

I'd love us to have £15 million to spend again. Though maybe it's better Sir Neil doesn't have that budget.

We announced him as our player and ive said all along not at least paying the first installment puts the club in a bad light.

Derby would have insurance for Keogh yea. He won't be covered though as he willingly got in a car with someone who had been drinking which will no doubt void any insurance. Had he been in a taxi though which crashed due to the driver being over the limit im sure Derby would claim money from the taxi company.

The club have essentially lost a £15mill asset due to the negligence of someone else. If someone can be taken to court over it, they will. And I am sure that is going to happen given Tans history of taking people to court. The plane was not safe to fly and the pilot shouldn't have been flying at night or carrying passengers for profit. Someone arranged that plane and pilot so surely someone is liable for that?

Cardiff should pay up the 15 million fee but Nantes have been a disgrace over this issue showing no compassion whatsoever to either Cardiff or Sala family. All they have cared about from the start is the money.

Pay £5 million to Nantes to cover the losses this installment

Pay the next £5 installment installment to Salas family

Cardiff keep the other 5 million

That's a fair agreement in my eyes

You could say the same about us for not paying what we owe and instead dragging this out further than it needed to go we brought him and owe them money I don’t understand why anyone seriously thinks Nantes are not entitled to the money.

All this talk of insurance and getting money back from other sources.

You can't get £15 million from someone that doesn't have it. And insurance companies are entities who will resist paying out whenever they can.

Do Derby have "insurance" for Keogh? If they do, insurance company almost certainly going to argue policy doesnt cover someone knowingly being a passenger in a car being raced by someone youve been on a drinking binge with.

Maintenance of aircraft and unlicensed pilot all well and good but neither would be expecting to transfer a £15 million footballer and I really can't see the specifics of that being covered by any insurance that either pilot or plane owner may have.

I'd love us to have £15 million to spend again. Though maybe it's better Sir Neil doesn't have that budget.

We announced him as our player and ive said all along not at least paying the first installment puts the club in a bad light.

Derby would have insurance for Keogh yea. He won't be covered though as he willingly got in a car with someone who had been drinking which will no doubt void any insurance. Had he been in a taxi though which crashed due to the driver being over the limit im sure Derby would claim money from the taxi company.

The club have essentially lost a £15mill asset due to the negligence of someone else. If someone can be taken to court over it, they will. And I am sure that is going to happen given Tans history of taking people to court. The plane was not safe to fly and the pilot shouldn't have been flying at night or carrying passengers for profit. Someone arranged that plane and pilot so surely someone is liable for that?

You could just as easily argue that Cardiff should made sure everything was suitable and up to standard considering they were paying that much money. Whole situation is just awful and the club is just dragging it out further instead of just doing the right thing and paying up so that it can be over and done with.

Not to mention it can’t be good for the families seeing all this dispute about money when they have lost a love one due to such terrible negligence.

Cardiff should pay up the 15 million fee but Nantes have been a disgrace over this issue showing no compassion whatsoever to either Cardiff or Sala family. All they have cared about from the start is the money.

Pay £5 million to Nantes to cover the losses this installment

Pay the next £5 installment installment to Salas family

Cardiff keep the other 5 million

That's a fair agreement in my eyes

You could say the same about us for not paying what we owe and instead dragging this out further than it needed to go we brought him and owe them money I don’t understand why anyone seriously thinks Nantes are not entitled to the money.

I think we were well within our rights to withhold the money until a full investigation was completed.

My point is that a young man has lost his life and all Nantes have cared about since day 1 is the money. They called for the payment before they even found the plane.

He cost them £1million 3 years ago, a deal could have been struck where as they make all the money back, Cardiff are not massively out of pocket and Salas family are looked after.

Cardiff have done nothing wrong in my eyes and have acted professionally but now the judgement is made we should pay the fee.

Given how theses deals are constructed it's almost certain that only the first payment was unconditional. Future payments almost inevitably will have involved payments variable upon which division we are in and Salas number of games and goals.circumstances make that another matter which I expect us why Nantes asked fifa to rule on first payment, and the fact its overdue. I'm sure club knew this would be the case.

Cardiff should pay up the 15 million fee but Nantes have been a disgrace over this issue showing no compassion whatsoever to either Cardiff or Sala family. All they have cared about from the start is the money.

Pay £5 million to Nantes to cover the losses this installment

Pay the next £5 installment installment to Salas family

Cardiff keep the other 5 million

That's a fair agreement in my eyes

You could say the same about us for not paying what we owe and instead dragging this out further than it needed to go we brought him and owe them money I don’t understand why anyone seriously thinks Nantes are not entitled to the money.

I think we were well within our rights to withhold the money until a full investigation was completed.

My point is that a young man has lost his life and all Nantes have cared about since day 1 is the money. They called for the payment before they even found the plane.

He cost them £1million 3 years ago, a deal could have been struck where as they make all the money back, Cardiff are not massively out of pocket and Salas family are looked after.

Cardiff have done nothing wrong in my eyes and have acted professionally but now the judgement is made we should pay the fee.

It doesn’t matter how much he cost Nantes initially. What matters is how much they sold him for, that figure was €15m. Why is it their concern that you aren’t massively out of pocket? I am unsure why you think they should accept a deal for less than was agreed, or why they shouldn’t have asked for what was clearly owed when Cardiff failed to pay.

Cardiff withheld the payment from Nantes and tried to find a technicality to get out of it, that was completely wrong. Let’s be honest here, this all came down to the fact that the club failed to lay on adequate transport and only offered a budget commercial flight that was highly inconvenient to get to having to then drive from Nantes to Paris when under time constraints and then Sala having to make his own arrangements. The second glaring error is the obvious lack of insurance taken out on the player. Had he been insured then none of this would have happened and Cardiff no doubt would have paid and let the insurance take care of it, however due to them taking their eye off the ball they tried to get out of it.

So much for accepting the decision too as most on here were saying. It seems they are appealing the decision handed down by FIFA which is only going to sky rocket the monies owed. You say Cardiff have done nothing wrong, I would say it is a 101 guide on exactly how NOT to do a transfer deal. That goes for looking after the player, insuring the deal and club to club conduct.

Again no doubt you will have a go at me, but as usual it’s all spot on and you know it.

Given how theses deals are constructed it's almost certain that only the first payment was unconditional. Future payments almost inevitably will have involved payments variable upon which division we are in and Salas number of games and goals.circumstances make that another matter which I expect us why Nantes asked fifa to rule on first payment, and the fact its overdue. I'm sure club knew this would be the case.

All of the payments would be unconditional. These deals are what are called ‘amortised’ (nearly all large transfers are done this way), it means the transfer fee broken down over an agreed period of time, usually in 3 or 4 parts paid every 6 months or so. Any extras such as payments owed from performance related targets would be paid as and when they are achieved, but obviously they won’t come into play now.

This ruling was simply on the first instalment as that is all that is owed at this precise time. Come January the next instalment is owed and the process starts again should the club withhold that too.

I am sure I read the Sala transfer, with agents fees, could reach €30m. Although not sure where it was I read that. What’s absolutely certain is, now that FIFA have ratified the transfer as valid, all agents involved in brokering the deal will now want what was agreed with them too.

I think in Mackays case given one of them arranged the flight, they will be well advised to forego their hard earned fee. He did say as much when put under the spotlight.

I think in Mackays case given one of them arranged the flight, they will be well advised to forego their hard earned fee. He did say as much when put under the spotlight.

Booking a flight doesn’t make you liable to get sued though. I would imagine every person on this forum has booked a flight at one time or another. He had no idea the pilot would give the job to someone else who didn’t have the appropriate licence or isn’t liable for the owner or company not maintaining the plane properly should that be conclusively proven. As I said on the other thread, how many of us when booking a flight have requested the pilots documentation and also checked the planes mechanics ourselves? The answer is none of us of course as once we book it, the rest is up the company/owner of the service.

The only person/people the club can have a valid claim against is the owner of the plane or possibly the initial pilot that gave the job to someone who wasn’t properly qualified - but I highly doubt he has €15m to hand over. There isn’t any reason at all, now that FIFA have ratified the transfer as valid that the agents also are now able to claim for what is owed to them.