A word to the unwise.

As to the title of this thread, I don’t think I’ve seen a more patronising, clumsy, and ill informed one on this board.

F**kwit.

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Never, this was the start of project fear, which is continuing, now they are trying smear campaigns and complaints about calling the Surrender Bill the Surrender Bill

Just watched a speech again that Osbourne made prior to the referendum. Some of the predictions he made if leave were to win the referendum - economy would be pushed into a recession, we would have a year of negative growth, half a million jobs would be lost and youth unemployment would rise by 10%, home prices would fall between 10% & 18%, and plenty more predictions where those came from. Not sure of the exact figures, I expect remainers can tell us what those figures really were and how accurate the Chancellor's forecast turned out to be.

Erm, we haven't left yet have we.
But here's a list of companies that have various problems since the referendum and might disagree with you, of course 'nothing to do with Brexit'
Thomas Cook
Honda
Jaguar
Airbus
HSBC
Panasonic
Toshiba
EasyJet
Hitachi
P&O
Sony
Lloyds
Barclays
AXA
UBS
Ford
EBA
Unilever
Schaeffler
Dyson
JP Morgan
Flybmi
EMA
MoneyGram
BMW
Vauxhall
Nissan
Toyota
Bombardier
Body Shop
Burberry
Michelin
BritishSteel

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Never, this was the start of project fear, which is continuing, now they are trying smear campaigns and complaints about calling the Surrender Bill the Surrender Bill

Just watched a speech again that Osbourne made prior to the referendum. Some of the predictions he made if leave were to win the referendum - economy would be pushed into a recession, we would have a year of negative growth, half a million jobs would be lost and youth unemployment would rise by 10%, home prices would fall between 10% & 18%, and plenty more predictions where those came from. Not sure of the exact figures, I expect remainers can tell us what those figures really were and how accurate the Chancellor's forecast turned out to be.

Erm, we haven't left yet have we.
But here's a list of companies that have various problems since the referendum and might disagree with you, of course 'nothing to do with Brexit'
Thomas Cook
Honda
Jaguar
Airbus
HSBC
Panasonic
Toshiba
EasyJet
Hitachi
P&O
Sony
Lloyds
Barclays
AXA
UBS
Ford
EBA
Unilever
Schaeffler
Dyson
JP Morgan
Flybmi
EMA
MoneyGram
BMW
Vauxhall
Nissan
Toyota
Bombardier
Body Shop
Burberry
Michelin
BritishSteel

Erm, he said the above would happen just by voting yes. Have you already forgotten about the emergency budget that would be needed within weeks of the referendum to stop the above from happening. I spent all my working life in Lloyds, and you obviously know very little if you are blaming Brexit for their problems. The mess they are in was as a result of poor management way before Brexit was even thought of, and began when they merged with TSB before their disastrous take over of HBOS. And to blame Thos Cook on Brexit is nonsense. Their main problems were all linked with not keeping up with the times. Perhaps you shouldn't believe everything you hear on the BBC or read in the press.

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Never, this was the start of project fear, which is continuing, now they are trying smear campaigns and complaints about calling the Surrender Bill the Surrender Bill

Just watched a speech again that Osbourne made prior to the referendum. Some of the predictions he made if leave were to win the referendum - economy would be pushed into a recession, we would have a year of negative growth, half a million jobs would be lost and youth unemployment would rise by 10%, home prices would fall between 10% & 18%, and plenty more predictions where those came from. Not sure of the exact figures, I expect remainers can tell us what those figures really were and how accurate the Chancellor's forecast turned out to be.

Erm, we haven't left yet have we.
But here's a list of companies that have various problems since the referendum and might disagree with you, of course 'nothing to do with Brexit'
Thomas Cook
Honda
Jaguar
Airbus
HSBC
Panasonic
Toshiba
EasyJet
Hitachi
P&O
Sony
Lloyds
Barclays
AXA
UBS
Ford
EBA
Unilever
Schaeffler
Dyson
JP Morgan
Flybmi
EMA
MoneyGram
BMW
Vauxhall
Nissan
Toyota
Bombardier
Body Shop
Burberry
Michelin
BritishSteel

Erm, he said the above would happen just by voting yes. Have you already forgotten about the emergency budget that would be needed within weeks of the referendum to stop the above from happening. I spent all my working life in Lloyds, and you obviously know very little if you are blaming Brexit for their problems. The mess they are in was as a result of poor management way before Brexit was even thought of, and began when they merged with TSB before their disastrous take over of HBOS. And to blame Thos Cook on Brexit is nonsense. Their main problems were all linked with not keeping up with the times. Perhaps you shouldn't believe everything you hear on the BBC or read in the press.

That’s rich! I think you’re very guilty of that yourself, but in your case it’s probably the Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph, Times, Sun etc and you can add the BBC to that motley crew too

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Never, this was the start of project fear, which is continuing, now they are trying smear campaigns and complaints about calling the Surrender Bill the Surrender Bill

Just watched a speech again that Osbourne made prior to the referendum. Some of the predictions he made if leave were to win the referendum - economy would be pushed into a recession, we would have a year of negative growth, half a million jobs would be lost and youth unemployment would rise by 10%, home prices would fall between 10% & 18%, and plenty more predictions where those came from. Not sure of the exact figures, I expect remainers can tell us what those figures really were and how accurate the Chancellor's forecast turned out to be.

Erm, we haven't left yet have we.
But here's a list of companies that have various problems since the referendum and might disagree with you, of course 'nothing to do with Brexit'
Thomas Cook
Honda
Jaguar
Airbus
HSBC
Panasonic
Toshiba
EasyJet
Hitachi
P&O
Sony
Lloyds
Barclays
AXA
UBS
Ford
EBA
Unilever
Schaeffler
Dyson
JP Morgan
Flybmi
EMA
MoneyGram
BMW
Vauxhall
Nissan
Toyota
Bombardier
Body Shop
Burberry
Michelin
BritishSteel

Erm, he said the above would happen just by voting yes. Have you already forgotten about the emergency budget that would be needed within weeks of the referendum to stop the above from happening. I spent all my working life in Lloyds, and you obviously know very little if you are blaming Brexit for their problems. The mess they are in was as a result of poor management way before Brexit was even thought of, and began when they merged with TSB before their disastrous take over of HBOS. And to blame Thos Cook on Brexit is nonsense. Their main problems were all linked with not keeping up with the times. Perhaps you shouldn't believe everything you hear on the BBC or read in the press.

That’s rich! I think you’re very guilty of that yourself, but in your case it’s probably the Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph, Times, Sun etc and you can add the BBC to that motley crew too

No, I have only mentioned the companies I know something about from first hand experience. I have a close relation who worked for Thomas Cook, and their problems did not suddenly spring up last week. As I said I worked for Lloyds so have a good idea where the bulk of their problems stemmed from. I could also comment about a few others on your list as I worked in Commercial Banking, and some of those were linked with my job. However, I have deliberately only mentioned two as those are the ones I believe I know enough about to discuss with any accuracy. I could argue the toss about plenty of others, but most of my info would have come from the press and media in general, and I am not naïve enough to believe all I read in newspapers, and I most certainly take anything the BBC says with a pinch of salt.

Every company has various problems.

So what we have is a list of companies. Nice list tho’.

Every company has various problems.

So what we have is a list of companies. Nice list tho’.

Exactly. Sony for instance employed a peak work force of 4.5k in the mid 90's. By the end of the naughties it had reached a low point of 250. 95% of its work force lost while we were still well and truly in the EU. I believe the similar can be said about Panasonic. Indeed manufacture ebbs and flows regardless of Brexit. Car companies the world over are facing issues at the moment. Going forward both sectors will employ less people as more and more work is automated.

The financial sector is in pretty good shape. Thomas Cook was probably inevitable. I go away on average 3 times a year and I haven't been through a Package Travel agent for the best part of 20 years. High street is in deep trouble but its as much to do with Amazon etc as Brexit.

Don’t know why I bother replying to BlueGog.. he posts random nonsense made up on the hoof.

No hard evidence of anything.

Don’t know why I bother replying to BlueGog.. he posts random nonsense made up on the hoof.

No hard evidence of anything.

then disappears for a few days so he doesn't have to rationalise his stance.

As to the title of this thread, I don’t think I’ve seen a more patronising, clumsy, and ill informed one on this board.

F**kwit.

Ely Boy and Rumpo Kid.
Wanted for crimes against common sense.
Easy to spot - aggressive demeanour and shoot from the lip.
Probably smell them before you see them - they're full of shit.
Often seen in Wetherspoons reading the Sun and debating the price of fish.
Dangerous, do not approach unless you speak Brexshitery, then they'll likely buy you a half.
Tidy.

Erm, we haven't left yet have we.
But here's a list of companies that have various problems since the referendum and might disagree with you, of course 'nothing to do with Brexit'
Thomas Cook
Honda
Jaguar
Airbus
HSBC
Panasonic
Toshiba
EasyJet
Hitachi
P&O
Sony
Lloyds
Barclays
AXA
UBS
Ford
EBA
Unilever
Schaeffler
Dyson
JP Morgan
Flybmi
EMA
MoneyGram
BMW
Vauxhall
Nissan
Toyota
Bombardier
Body Shop
Burberry
Michelin
BritishSteel

What evidence do you have that these companies are struggling directly due to BREXIT? The car companies for instance have decided to concentrate production in Japan/Germany due to the change from petrol/diesel to electric. British Steel is suffering because of cheap imported Chinese steel again nothing to do with BREXIT.

It appears to me you have simply found a list of struggling companies and 'linked' their woes to BREXIT without any hard evidence.

As to the title of this thread, I don’t think I’ve seen a more patronising, clumsy, and ill informed one on this board.

F**kwit.

Ely Boy and Rumpo Kid.
Wanted for crimes against common sense.
Easy to spot - aggressive demeanour and shoot from the lip.
Probably smell them before you see them - they're full of shit.
Often seen in Wetherspoons reading the Sun and debating the price of fish.
Dangerous, do not approach unless you speak Brexshitery, then they'll likely buy you a half.
Tidy.

Good grief

As to the title of this thread, I don’t think I’ve seen a more patronising, clumsy, and ill informed one on this board.

F**kwit.

Ely Boy and Rumpo Kid.
Wanted for crimes against common sense.
Easy to spot - aggressive demeanour and shoot from the lip.
Probably smell them before you see them - they're full of shit.
Often seen in Wetherspoons reading the Sun and debating the price of fish.
Dangerous, do not approach unless you speak Brexshitery, then they'll likely buy you a half.
Tidy.

Blah blah blah. This sort of prejudiced childish outburst happens when adults challenge leftist idealism. A regression in adolescent behaviour. You've a vivid imagination i'll give you that

Erm, we haven't left yet have we.
But here's a list of companies that have various problems since the referendum and might disagree with you, of course 'nothing to do with Brexit'
Thomas Cook
Honda
Jaguar
Airbus
HSBC
Panasonic
Toshiba
EasyJet
Hitachi
P&O
Sony
Lloyds
Barclays
AXA
UBS
Ford
EBA
Unilever
Schaeffler
Dyson
JP Morgan
Flybmi
EMA
MoneyGram
BMW
Vauxhall
Nissan
Toyota
Bombardier
Body Shop
Burberry
Michelin
BritishSteel

What evidence do you have that these companies are struggling directly due to BREXIT? The car companies for instance have decided to concentrate production in Japan/Germany due to the change from petrol/diesel to electric. British Steel is suffering because of cheap imported Chinese steel again nothing to do with BREXIT.

It appears to me you have simply found a list of struggling companies and 'linked' their woes to BREXIT without any hard evidence.

He cannot actually have any evidence for one simple reason. I will take two of the companies listed, Barclays & Lloyds. Both had difficulties as did nearly every other bank due to economic conditions that put some out of business, and brought others to their knees many years back. This all happened way before Brexit was heard of. Since then, they have both been hit my the mis-selling scandal that has cost billions in compensation. I expect he blames this on Brexit as well, even though it was going on almost as soon as Lloyds and TSB merged.

Could argue completely the opposite. Since the Brexit vote, Lloyds has returned to profit, and the shareholder's dividends that had been suspended for many years are now being paid again. Of course, this has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, but if remainers are going to claim that every down turn is the fault of Brexit, perhaps we should claim that these banks returning to profit have done so because we are leaving the EU - complete rubbish of course.

When I mentioned the scaremongering from the Chancellor in an above post and all his predictions that were wrong, the reponse was "erm, we haven't left the EU yet." I presume us leavers can say the same about all those companies he then went on to list, why should they be in any trouble as erm we haven't left the EU yet.

As to the title of this thread, I don’t think I’ve seen a more patronising, clumsy, and ill informed one on this board.

F**kwit.

Ely Boy and Rumpo Kid.
Wanted for crimes against common sense.
Easy to spot - aggressive demeanour and shoot from the lip.
Probably smell them before you see them - they're full of shit.
Often seen in Wetherspoons reading the Sun and debating the price of fish.
Dangerous, do not approach unless you speak Brexshitery, then they'll likely buy you a half.
Tidy.

Ha ha.. keep it coming Terry..

Erm, we haven't left yet have we.
But here's a list of companies that have various problems since the referendum and might disagree with you, of course 'nothing to do with Brexit'
Thomas Cook
Honda
Jaguar
Airbus
HSBC
Panasonic
Toshiba
EasyJet
Hitachi
P&O
Sony
Lloyds
Barclays
AXA
UBS
Ford
EBA
Unilever
Schaeffler
Dyson
JP Morgan
Flybmi
EMA
MoneyGram
BMW
Vauxhall
Nissan
Toyota
Bombardier
Body Shop
Burberry
Michelin
BritishSteel

What evidence do you have that these companies are struggling directly due to BREXIT? The car companies for instance have decided to concentrate production in Japan/Germany due to the change from petrol/diesel to electric. British Steel is suffering because of cheap imported Chinese steel again nothing to do with BREXIT.

It appears to me you have simply found a list of struggling companies and 'linked' their woes to BREXIT without any hard evidence.

He cannot actually have any evidence for one simple reason. I will take two of the companies listed, Barclays & Lloyds. Both had difficulties as did nearly every other bank due to economic conditions that put some out of business, and brought others to their knees many years back. This all happened way before Brexit was heard of. Since then, they have both been hit my the mis-selling scandal that has cost billions in compensation. I expect he blames this on Brexit as well, even though it was going on almost as soon as Lloyds and TSB merged.

Could argue completely the opposite. Since the Brexit vote, Lloyds has returned to profit, and the shareholder's dividends that had been suspended for many years are now being paid again. Of course, this has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, but if remainers are going to claim that every down turn is the fault of Brexit, perhaps we should claim that these banks returning to profit have done so because we are leaving the EU - complete rubbish of course.

When I mentioned the scaremongering from the Chancellor in an above post and all his predictions that were wrong, the reponse was "erm, we haven't left the EU yet." I presume us leavers can say the same about all those companies he then went on to list, why should they be in any trouble as erm we haven't left the EU yet.

I suppose we all believe what we want to believe in the end but this article will explain some of the above.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/23/companie ... -10795029/
Yes, I know you'll probably dismiss it as 'left wing' rubbish. But please take two minutes to scan it. These companies have all been effected by Brexit in some way or are moving from the uk because of it. Even Dyson who funded vote leave has moved his operation from the uk! You will probably dismiss as fantasy but please don't bury your head in the sand if we crash out this is only the beginning.

Erm, we haven't left yet have we.
But here's a list of companies that have various problems since the referendum and might disagree with you, of course 'nothing to do with Brexit'
Thomas Cook
Honda
Jaguar
Airbus
HSBC
Panasonic
Toshiba
EasyJet
Hitachi
P&O
Sony
Lloyds
Barclays
AXA
UBS
Ford
EBA
Unilever
Schaeffler
Dyson
JP Morgan
Flybmi
EMA
MoneyGram
BMW
Vauxhall
Nissan
Toyota
Bombardier
Body Shop
Burberry
Michelin
BritishSteel

What evidence do you have that these companies are struggling directly due to BREXIT? The car companies for instance have decided to concentrate production in Japan/Germany due to the change from petrol/diesel to electric. British Steel is suffering because of cheap imported Chinese steel again nothing to do with BREXIT.

It appears to me you have simply found a list of struggling companies and 'linked' their woes to BREXIT without any hard evidence.

He cannot actually have any evidence for one simple reason. I will take two of the companies listed, Barclays & Lloyds. Both had difficulties as did nearly every other bank due to economic conditions that put some out of business, and brought others to their knees many years back. This all happened way before Brexit was heard of. Since then, they have both been hit my the mis-selling scandal that has cost billions in compensation. I expect he blames this on Brexit as well, even though it was going on almost as soon as Lloyds and TSB merged.

Could argue completely the opposite. Since the Brexit vote, Lloyds has returned to profit, and the shareholder's dividends that had been suspended for many years are now being paid again. Of course, this has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, but if remainers are going to claim that every down turn is the fault of Brexit, perhaps we should claim that these banks returning to profit have done so because we are leaving the EU - complete rubbish of course.

When I mentioned the scaremongering from the Chancellor in an above post and all his predictions that were wrong, the reponse was "erm, we haven't left the EU yet." I presume us leavers can say the same about all those companies he then went on to list, why should they be in any trouble as erm we haven't left the EU yet.

I suppose we all believe what we want to believe in the end but this article will explain some of the above.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/23/companie ... -10795029/
Yes, I know you'll probably dismiss it as 'left wing' rubbish. But please take two minutes to scan it. These companies have all been effected by Brexit in some way or are moving from the uk because of it. Even Dyson who funded vote leave has moved his operation from the uk! You will probably dismiss as fantasy but please don't bury your head in the sand if we crash out this is only the beginning.

Why post a list of companies that have made provisions or moved since the referendum, when some have stated clearly that their decisions have absolutely nothing to do with Brexit. Just another example of project fear. I can only speak of things I have experience of, and not stuff I read about in the press, most of whom have their own agenda. Lloyds Bank has been making provisions by opening additional offices in the EU. It is called being prudent, and being fully prepared if and when Brexit finally happens. It is nothing to do with their financial problems which have been well documented for many years, in fact since the days of the global banking crisis. They have passed all the tests required to withstand another similar crisis, and their financial position is far better now than it was a few years back, and should become stronger now the claims deadline for loan ins has passed.
Barclays are less reliant on the UK economy, and have far more overseas interests than Lloyds, whereas HSBC is a global company. All would be stupid to ignore the possibility of a no deal Brexit, and are making provisions to ensure it is business as usual whatever the outcome. None are suddenly struggling because of Brexit. I know Lloyds, and probably all the other banks will be closing more branches in the future, and reducing their workforce. This has been planned for many years, but no doubt, when it happens, some will blame Brexit even though this programme of closures began way before Brexit was ever heard of. In fact, it started as long back as the 1990's, and has been ongoing ever since.