UPDATED: ‘ Shocking & Unbelievable Tom Lawrence ‘

Cars will soon be fitted with scanners to test whether drivers are over the limit or not.
The sooner the better imo

They should all be banned from driving, prison is a bit harsh in this instance as nobody was hurt but they should have hefty community sentences handed down on them.
A big fine and 1000 hours unpaid community work would certainly hurt them.
I'm sure derby has loads of graffiti to remove and rubbish to pick up.

Are you serious?
Keough culpable but hurt.
This us not one loose canon. At least two of them, if not three or four. If they had not had the financial privilege of a range rover someone in the drunks car would be dead. They deserve prison and career end.

f*cking hell, there's some judgemental people on here aye.

I'm guessing we are all whiter than white yeah.

Everyone makes mistakes lads, you can't punish people on 'what iffs'.

Nobody died thankfully, they will be punished accordingly, but banned for life, sacked, have a day off.

I stand by what I say,all involved feeling they are above the law? It is crazy to say they made a" mistake" and before you have a go,my best friend of 50+ years was a hit and run victim,to a drug & drink driver,and now the poor man is in a permanent care home,requiring 24hr care for the rest of his days the driver who was found guilty, received a minimum term of 8 years,but will only be in his late 30's when released,with all his life before him,my poor friend not so,only a muppet would consider it ok ,to get behind the wheel of a two tonne vehicle,and to drive,you seem pretty relaxed at this idiotic action I stand by my words,I hope they throw the book at them sentence wise,and most people in normal life,coul well ,lose their employment over such incidents, they are looked up to,by the fans of the club,and they have let them down badly,to say the least.the CAPTAIN as well ffs

No one has said it’s ‘ok’ to drink drive. I think social and career punishment can be unlimited, I don’t particularly want to see Tom Lawrence in a wales shirt again, but I don’t think a life ban in appropriate unless as RV has previously stated it is applied also to excessive speeding and using a mobile phone

There really are some sanctimonious buffoons on this board. RV is totally right and comes from a place and perspective that, fortunately, most of us have never had to experience.

Is drink driving wrong?....of course it is. Should you be hanged for it?......of course you shouldn't. This thread reminds me of my Bible classes (I'm not religious by the way)....""Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

The best thing that has come out of this mess is that only the perpetrators are going to suffer and no innocents have been harmed.

There really are some sanctimonious buffoons on this board. RV is totally right and comes from a place and perspective that, fortunately, most of us have never had to experience.

Is drink driving wrong?....of course it is. Should you be hanged for it?......of course you shouldn't. This thread reminds me of my Bible classes (I'm not religious by the way)....""Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

The best thing that has come out of this mess is that only the perpetrators are going to suffer and no innocents have been harmed.

Jim,

I haven’t read 90% of the replies.
But apparently they were just drink driving, they were on drugs as well and racing each other.
Kids of today look up to these players as their heroes.
I personally think they are bang out of order, life’s were put at risk.

Cars will soon be fitted with scanners to test whether drivers are over the limit or not.
The sooner the better imo

They should all be banned from driving, prison is a bit harsh in this instance as nobody was hurt but they should have hefty community sentences handed down on them.
A big fine and 1000 hours unpaid community work would certainly hurt them.
I'm sure derby has loads of graffiti to remove and rubbish to pick up.

Are you serious?
Keough culpable but hurt.
This us not one loose canon. At least two of them, if not three or four. If they had not had the financial privilege of a range rover someone in the drunks car would be dead. They deserve prison and career end.

How many times have the drivers been caught drink driving in the past ?

People make mistakes in life, thankfully on this occasion nobody was hurt. The best way to deal with this is to make them pay back there dues to the community not just spend a few weeks in a cell which achieves nothing.

They should receive

1, 3 year driving ban
2, Large fine
3, Banned from playing till end of season and made to work in the community instead of on the pitch for 45 hours a week

What they did was out of order but if it is the first offence then prison is not the answer in this case

For clarity, I'm not defending it.

I'm just saying some of the comments of 'banned for life', 'sacked' etc are ott imo.

It's a stupid thing to do, no getting away from it.

I read that as the players involved have done something stupid and there is no excuses. The penance however must be balanced.

What do you think would be a fair punishment?

How many times have the drivers been caught drink driving in the past ?

People make mistakes in life, thankfully on this occasion nobody was hurt. The best way to deal with this is to make them pay back there dues to the community not just spend a few weeks in a cell which achieves nothing.

They should receive

1, 3 year driving ban
2, Large fine
3, Banned from playing till end of season and made to work in the community instead of on the pitch for 45 hours a week

What they did was out of order but if it is the first offence then prison is not the answer in this case

Apart from it should be a 5 year driving ban as a financial punishment wouldn't really hurt them, I would agree that is a proportional punishment. One thing I would add is all the players involved should be liable for the medical costs for Keogh's treatment.

How many times have the drivers been caught drink driving in the past ?

People make mistakes in life, thankfully on this occasion nobody was hurt. The best way to deal with this is to make them pay back there dues to the community not just spend a few weeks in a cell which achieves nothing.

They should receive

1, 3 year driving ban
2, Large fine
3, Banned from playing till end of season and made to work in the community instead of on the pitch for 45 hours a week

What they did was out of order but if it is the first offence then prison is not the answer in this case

Apart from it should be a 5 year driving ban as a financial punishment wouldn't really hurt them, I would agree that is a proportional punishment. One thing I would add is all the players involved should be liable for the medical costs for Keogh's treatment.

Keoghs medical costs here are incidental in comparison to his wages unless you are including those in with costs.

I hope Derbys code of conduct is such that anyone involved is able to be dismissed without pay. Keogh is captain and senior figure who got in a car knowing the driver was in no fit state. I have little sympathy for him here.

These players are role models and whilst it can be put down as an act of stupidity, its shocking and by the seem of it enough players around to put a stop to it.

Clubs will have half an eye on capital values and transfer values of players concerned though Keogh too old for much of a fee now. It's hard on Derby but football needs to say these players are banned without pay for a long time in my opinion.

All conjecture, but from what's out there there is drink, drugs and car racing, no doubt with some phone use thrown in too.

I have no idea what normal penalties are for such but it would seem whatever they are they are not heavy enough and no deterrent to some.

For clarity, I'm not defending it.

I'm just saying some of the comments of 'banned for life', 'sacked' etc are ott imo.

It's a stupid thing to do, no getting away from it.

I read that as the players involved have done something stupid and there is no excuses. The penance however must be balanced.

What do you think would be a fair punishment?

Assuming it's their first offence.

A substantial fine in line with what they earn.

A ban of at least 2 years.

Possible community order/probabtion/rehabilitation course type thing.

People keep saying they could have killed someone and yeah they could have but they didn't and you can't punish someone on what ifs. How many people on here have driven 80, 90 plus on the motorway, what's to say that if you were flagged people could scream ban them for life, sack them, you made the choice to break the speed limit by 10/20 miles an hour and you 'COULD' kill someone by doing so, same as people on phones, or people generally driving like dickheads. Unless you're whiter than white people need to be carefull what they shout as Jim said let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

And how many people have thrown a punch at a fellow human on here when the intention of throwing a punch at someone is to physicaly hurt them at which point you could kill them, what we saying, anyone who throws a punch should be charged with attempted murder?

It's stupid what they have done and they will get punished but a bit of proportion is needed by some I feel, just my opinion.

There really are some sanctimonious buffoons on this board. RV is totally right and comes from a place and perspective that, fortunately, most of us have never had to experience.

Is drink driving wrong?....of course it is. Should you be hanged for it?......of course you shouldn't. This thread reminds me of my Bible classes (I'm not religious by the way)....""Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

The best thing that has come out of this mess is that only the perpetrators are going to suffer and no innocents have been harmed.

Keogh has been injured and maybe his career has ended so whilst he wasnt innocent, someone has been harmed as you say.

Maybe we should put ourselves in the eyes of families who have lost or had injured members and hope one day the law will change and come down harder on drink drivers, who at the end of the day have a killing machine in their possession

How many times have the drivers been caught drink driving in the past ?

People make mistakes in life, thankfully on this occasion nobody was hurt. The best way to deal with this is to make them pay back there dues to the community not just spend a few weeks in a cell which achieves nothing.

They should receive

1, 3 year driving ban
2, Large fine
3, Banned from playing till end of season and made to work in the community instead of on the pitch for 45 hours a week

What they did was out of order but if it is the first offence then prison is not the answer in this case

Apart from it should be a 5 year driving ban as a financial punishment wouldn't really hurt them, I would agree that is a proportional punishment. One thing I would add is all the players involved should be liable for the medical costs for Keogh's treatment.

Keoghs medical costs here are incidental in comparison to his wages unless you are including those in with costs.

I hope Derbys code of conduct is such that anyone involved is able to be dismissed without pay. Keogh is captain and senior figure who got in a car knowing the driver was in no fit state. I have little sympathy for him here.

These players are role models and whilst it can be put down as an act of stupidity, its shocking and by the seem of it enough players around to put a stop to it.

Clubs will have half an eye on capital values and transfer values of players concerned though Keogh too old for much of a fee now. It's hard on Derby but football needs to say these players are banned without pay for a long time in my opinion.

All conjecture, but from what's out there there is drink, drugs and car racing, no doubt with some phone use thrown in too.

I have no idea what normal penalties are for such but it would seem whatever they are they are not heavy enough and no deterrent to some.

They were not in work
They do not drive for a living

Why should they lose there job over what is in reality a mistake made during there private lives

Would you expect to lose your job if you got caught drink driving ?

The only way that should happen is if driving is your job !

Asking for them to be sacked is out of order, some of them will have family to provide for, why punish them aswell

They are idiots for what they did, and anyone who defends drink drivers is an idiot too.

End of.

CTID

How many times have the drivers been caught drink driving in the past ?

People make mistakes in life, thankfully on this occasion nobody was hurt. The best way to deal with this is to make them pay back there dues to the community not just spend a few weeks in a cell which achieves nothing.

They should receive

1, 3 year driving ban
2, Large fine
3, Banned from playing till end of season and made to work in the community instead of on the pitch for 45 hours a week

What they did was out of order but if it is the first offence then prison is not the answer in this case

Apart from it should be a 5 year driving ban as a financial punishment wouldn't really hurt them, I would agree that is a proportional punishment. One thing I would add is all the players involved should be liable for the medical costs for Keogh's treatment.

Keoghs medical costs here are incidental in comparison to his wages unless you are including those in with costs.

I hope Derbys code of conduct is such that anyone involved is able to be dismissed without pay. Keogh is captain and senior figure who got in a car knowing the driver was in no fit state. I have little sympathy for him here.

These players are role models and whilst it can be put down as an act of stupidity, its shocking and by the seem of it enough players around to put a stop to it.

Clubs will have half an eye on capital values and transfer values of players concerned though Keogh too old for much of a fee now. It's hard on Derby but football needs to say these players are banned without pay for a long time in my opinion.

All conjecture, but from what's out there there is drink, drugs and car racing, no doubt with some phone use thrown in too.

I have no idea what normal penalties are for such but it would seem whatever they are they are not heavy enough and no deterrent to some.

They were not in work
They do not drive for a living

Why should they lose there job over what is in reality a mistake made during there private lives

Would you expect to lose your job if you got caught drink driving ?

The only way that should happen is if driving is your job !

Asking for them to be sacked is out of order, some of them will have family to provide for, why punish them aswell

People do lose jobs for drink driving whilst not driving for a living! Just depends on the job they do? Anyway suspect they will get 3yrs ban and multi thousands of pounds fine like ant/dec did couple yrs ago...If they're lucky

f*cking hell, there's some judgemental people on here aye.

I'm guessing we are all whiter than white yeah.

Everyone makes mistakes lads, you can't punish people on 'what iffs'.

Nobody died thankfully, they will be punished accordingly, but banned for life, sacked, have a day off.

Driving a car when your not in a fit state to do so isn’t a mistake.


People who drink drive or get off there tits and drive are selfish thoughtless cunts.

There’s no debate to be had about it.

There really are some sanctimonious buffoons on this board. RV is totally right and comes from a place and perspective that, fortunately, most of us have never had to experience.

Is drink driving wrong?....of course it is. Should you be hanged for it?......of course you shouldn't. This thread reminds me of my Bible classes (I'm not religious by the way)....""Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

The best thing that has come out of this mess is that only the perpetrators are going to suffer and no innocents have been harmed.

Jim,

I haven’t read 90% of the replies.
But apparently they were just drink driving, they were on drugs as well and racing each other.
Kids of today look up to these players as their heroes.
I personally think they are bang out of order, life’s were put at risk.

I see your point Annis but at the end of the day where do we draw the line between "normal" person and "superstar"?

I am not for one minute condoning the mistakes these youngsters have made, but equally, I will not crucify them just because they earn big money and are in the public eye.

Let's be honest, we weren't exactly angels. They deserve the same punishment as the next guy, with maybe a bit more on top because they are supposed "role models".

There really are some sanctimonious buffoons on this board. RV is totally right and comes from a place and perspective that, fortunately, most of us have never had to experience.

Is drink driving wrong?....of course it is. Should you be hanged for it?......of course you shouldn't. This thread reminds me of my Bible classes (I'm not religious by the way)....""Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

The best thing that has come out of this mess is that only the perpetrators are going to suffer and no innocents have been harmed.

Jim,

I haven’t read 90% of the replies.
But apparently they weren't just drink driving, they were on drugs as well and racing each other.
Kids of today look up to these players as their heroes.
I personally think they are bang out of order, life’s were put at risk.

I see your point Annis but at the end of the day where do we draw the line between "normal" person and "superstar"?

I am not for one minute condoning the mistakes these youngsters have made, but equally, I will not crucify them just because they earn big money and are in the public eye.

Let's be honest, we weren't exactly angels. They deserve the same punishment as the next guy, with maybe a bit more on top because they are supposed "role models".

Keoghs medical costs here are incidental in comparison to his wages unless you are including those in with costs.

I hope Derbys code of conduct is such that anyone involved is able to be dismissed without pay. Keogh is captain and senior figure who got in a car knowing the driver was in no fit state. I have little sympathy for him here.

These players are role models and whilst it can be put down as an act of stupidity, its shocking and by the seem of it enough players around to put a stop to it.

Clubs will have half an eye on capital values and transfer values of players concerned though Keogh too old for much of a fee now. It's hard on Derby but football needs to say these players are banned without pay for a long time in my opinion.

All conjecture, but from what's out there there is drink, drugs and car racing, no doubt with some phone use thrown in too.

I have no idea what normal penalties are for such but it would seem whatever they are they are not heavy enough and no deterrent to some.

Keogh's medical bills will be in the 10's of thousands of pounds and I think on a point of principle the players involved should pay that bill rather than the cost coming out of club funds or insurance.

Any punishment dished out by Derby will probably depend on the terms of their contract with the players. Usually there is a maximum fine of between 2 to 4 weeks wages. Of course if there is a breach of discipline which is so bad Derby would have the option to cancel the contract on the grounds of a fundamental breach.

However, you rightly point out that option is highly unlikely as it would punish Derby more than the players who would become free agents and could sign for other clubs at the next transfer window for nothing whilst Derby would receive no transfer fees.

Personally I would hope a Court would dish out lengthy driving bans (up to 5 years) heavy fines and community orders. The club should issue the maximum fines allowed by the contracts, drop the players for a length of time and publicly condemn the players for their behaviour.

UPDATED:


SKY NEWS:


30/09/2019


Richard Keogh will now be out of action for 15months.

Derby County footballers Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett have both been charged with drink driving.

With all the talk re Sala and insurance, wonder if Derbys insurance for Keogh will cover the man knowingly getting in a car bring driven, if not raced, by someone he's been on a drinking binge with?

Can't help think insurance companies my find that as a way out.

Hopefully any insurance nullified which will mean Derby more likely to terminate all their contracts as the cheapest option as opposed to continuing to pay them.

Better still - Make limit 0% for driving with any alcohol or drugs in your system, then there would be no grey area, units, etc.

100% NO Excuses for drinking/drugging and driving - you are in charge of a lethal weapon - Just no excuse.

Better still - Make limit 0% for driving with any alcohol or drugs in your system, then there would be no grey area, units, etc.

100% NO Excuses for drinking/drugging and driving - you are in charge of a lethal weapon - Just no excuse.

That’s impossible I believe.