Judges

The idea that because a decision went against you it must be that the people that decision being biased is obnoxious and ignorant.As for Boris I think he's done.He thinks otherwise but it remains to be seen whether the rest of the Tories will let him take them down the tube with him.He seems to think he can deliver a cliff edge Brexit and then unite the party behind him.If your not a Tory which I am not then you probably won't have much interest but the future existence of that party is on the line even more so than the Labour Party in my opinion.

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1176438305363283968?s=19
Says it all really

Retired footballer, mysoginist, wife beater and sexual deviant who bizarrely has become a social commentator and political analyst.

Can I just say one thing before i make some comments.

This country had a DEMOCRATIC (something the bad loosers like to bandy around a lot) VOTE on LEAVING or REMAINING within the EU. Against all opinion polls, big business, moneymen, Government, Most MP's, Liberal's, The Great British People threw the biggest curved ball to the establishment and you know what - "they do not like it up em Sargent Major" (Dad's Army).
Since that momentous morning in 2016, all the above (the sore looser brigade) have been trying every trick in the book to overturn the democratic will of the Great British people (oh, there's that word again - Democratic).

On a very similar note, the Referendum about forming a Welsh Assembly which was passed by the tiniest of Majority and has been controlled by Labour since inception, did you hear any of the defeated NO voters carrying on like little babies who have thrown there toys out of the pram ? No, they admitted defeat and Got on with it unlike the EU Remainer bad loosers.

Funny that old word, Democratic, comes up time after time. Wales as a whole Voted to LEAVE the EU but our Labour Run Welsh Assembly know better. Mr Drakeford Democracy personified !!!!

First comment :

Did you know that it was under Mr Blair's Labour Government that this "Supreme court" was set up and filled with Left Leaning Liberal Judges. I bet nearly all 11 or Majority voted to Remain.

Second Comment:

Suspending Parliament.

As we Know the first Court ruling said that it was not a Judicial Matter but a political matter and was dismissed.

The Scottish Judges Ruled that it was Illegal.

Unless I am misreading it, Today's Ruling states that Mr Johnson, Suspended Parliament for the reason to stiffle debate on Brexit. As in any normal court, where is the evidence that Mr Johnson was thinking that? Surely any court works on an Evidence based ruling and not what may or may not have been going on in someones mind ?

Yes you are misreading big time.Today's ruling had nothing to do with Brexit at all and wasn't considered at all during this hearing.A queens speech takes about 4 days to organise not 5 weeks and is not a reason to suspend parliament.

Judges actually said suspension was to inhibit or stop Brexit debate is that not something to do with Brexit?

No they didn't.They made it very clear at the outset and again during the ruling that Brexit played no part in the decision making process.Anyway Boris can think himself lucky.The last fella to prorogue parliament had his head chopped off.

John Major was on telly a couple of nights ago, his head still appeared to be attached to his neck.

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Away from the tabloid spin, Boris is pro mass immigration, pro gay marriage, pro climate change tax, and argues against banning the burka on grounds of personal freedom and diversity. You think that makes him illiberal? Again this shows just how far left the ground has shifted without people realising.

Can I just say one thing before i make some comments.

This country had a DEMOCRATIC (something the bad loosers like to bandy around a lot) VOTE on LEAVING or REMAINING within the EU. Against all opinion polls, big business, moneymen, Government, Most MP's, Liberal's, The Great British People threw the biggest curved ball to the establishment and you know what - "they do not like it up em Sargent Major" (Dad's Army).
Since that momentous morning in 2016, all the above (the sore looser brigade) have been trying every trick in the book to overturn the democratic will of the Great British people (oh, there's that word again - Democratic).

On a very similar note, the Referendum about forming a Welsh Assembly which was passed by the tiniest of Majority and has been controlled by Labour since inception, did you hear any of the defeated NO voters carrying on like little babies who have thrown there toys out of the pram ? No, they admitted defeat and Got on with it unlike the EU Remainer bad loosers.

Funny that old word, Democratic, comes up time after time. Wales as a whole Voted to LEAVE the EU but our Labour Run Welsh Assembly know better. Mr Drakeford Democracy personified !!!!

First comment :

Did you know that it was under Mr Blair's Labour Government that this "Supreme court" was set up and filled with Left Leaning Liberal Judges. I bet nearly all 11 or Majority voted to Remain.

Second Comment:

Suspending Parliament.

As we Know the first Court ruling said that it was not a Judicial Matter but a political matter and was dismissed.

The Scottish Judges Ruled that it was Illegal.

Unless I am misreading it, Today's Ruling states that Mr Johnson, Suspended Parliament for the reason to stiffle debate on Brexit. As in any normal court, where is the evidence that Mr Johnson was thinking that? Surely any court works on an Evidence based ruling and not what may or may not have been going on in someones mind ?

Even if you are right that Blair “set up” this this left leaning Supreme Court, how many are still alive never mind sitting !!?? We’ve had a Tory government for years !!

In any event, are you really seriously saying that these judges who virtually all came through a privileged system of public school !! Are you seriously saying they are anything other than staunch Tories in general ?

Yes it is True that the Labour Government Under Prime Minister Blair, Set up the Supreme Court.

Yes, I would say that the majority of Judges have been through a public school system BUT that system along with state education and Universities since around the 1970's are dominated by liberal thinking "we know better than you" attitudes. You need look no further than today's school curriculum - no need for Gym, Art, Cookery, Humanities, etc. No Need for a well rounded education.

Really !!?? So that same private education system that spawned Rees Mogg, Boris, May, Farage, Cameron, etc. is dominated by "liberal thinking" educators !!??

They're not very good at educating if that's the case !!

I'm not sure that your argument is standing up to much scrutiny on that point although I would accept you are perfectly entitled to that view point !!

You forgot to include multi millionaire Jezza Corbyn on your list.

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

Can I just say one thing before i make some comments.

This country had a DEMOCRATIC (something the bad loosers like to bandy around a lot) VOTE on LEAVING or REMAINING within the EU. Against all opinion polls, big business, moneymen, Government, Most MP's, Liberal's, The Great British People threw the biggest curved ball to the establishment and you know what - "they do not like it up em Sargent Major" (Dad's Army).
Since that momentous morning in 2016, all the above (the sore looser brigade) have been trying every trick in the book to overturn the democratic will of the Great British people (oh, there's that word again - Democratic).

On a very similar note, the Referendum about forming a Welsh Assembly which was passed by the tiniest of Majority and has been controlled by Labour since inception, did you hear any of the defeated NO voters carrying on like little babies who have thrown there toys out of the pram ? No, they admitted defeat and Got on with it unlike the EU Remainer bad loosers.

Funny that old word, Democratic, comes up time after time. Wales as a whole Voted to LEAVE the EU but our Labour Run Welsh Assembly know better. Mr Drakeford Democracy personified !!!!

First comment :

Did you know that it was under Mr Blair's Labour Government that this "Supreme court" was set up and filled with Left Leaning Liberal Judges. I bet nearly all 11 or Majority voted to Remain.

Second Comment:

Suspending Parliament.

As we Know the first Court ruling said that it was not a Judicial Matter but a political matter and was dismissed.

The Scottish Judges Ruled that it was Illegal.

Unless I am misreading it, Today's Ruling states that Mr Johnson, Suspended Parliament for the reason to stiffle debate on Brexit. As in any normal court, where is the evidence that Mr Johnson was thinking that? Surely any court works on an Evidence based ruling and not what may or may not have been going on in someones mind ?

Yes you are misreading big time.Today's ruling had nothing to do with Brexit at all and wasn't considered at all during this hearing.A queens speech takes about 4 days to organise not 5 weeks and is not a reason to suspend parliament.

Judges actually said suspension was to inhibit or stop Brexit debate is that not something to do with Brexit?

No they didn't.They made it very clear at the outset and again during the ruling that Brexit played no part in the decision making process.Anyway Boris can think himself lucky.The last fella to prorogue parliament had his head chopped off.

John Major was on telly a couple of nights ago, his head still appeared to be attached to his neck.

I should have said "the last person who misused prorogation."Thanks for the correction.

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

Can I just say one thing before i make some comments.

This country had a DEMOCRATIC (something the bad loosers like to bandy around a lot) VOTE on LEAVING or REMAINING within the EU. Against all opinion polls, big business, moneymen, Government, Most MP's, Liberal's, The Great British People threw the biggest curved ball to the establishment and you know what - "they do not like it up em Sargent Major" (Dad's Army).
Since that momentous morning in 2016, all the above (the sore looser brigade) have been trying every trick in the book to overturn the democratic will of the Great British people (oh, there's that word again - Democratic).

On a very similar note, the Referendum about forming a Welsh Assembly which was passed by the tiniest of Majority and has been controlled by Labour since inception, did you hear any of the defeated NO voters carrying on like little babies who have thrown there toys out of the pram ? No, they admitted defeat and Got on with it unlike the EU Remainer bad loosers.

Funny that old word, Democratic, comes up time after time. Wales as a whole Voted to LEAVE the EU but our Labour Run Welsh Assembly know better. Mr Drakeford Democracy personified !!!!

First comment :

Did you know that it was under Mr Blair's Labour Government that this "Supreme court" was set up and filled with Left Leaning Liberal Judges. I bet nearly all 11 or Majority voted to Remain.

Second Comment:

Suspending Parliament.

As we Know the first Court ruling said that it was not a Judicial Matter but a political matter and was dismissed.

The Scottish Judges Ruled that it was Illegal.

Unless I am misreading it, Today's Ruling states that Mr Johnson, Suspended Parliament for the reason to stiffle debate on Brexit. As in any normal court, where is the evidence that Mr Johnson was thinking that? Surely any court works on an Evidence based ruling and not what may or may not have been going on in someones mind ?

Yes you are misreading big time.Today's ruling had nothing to do with Brexit at all and wasn't considered at all during this hearing.A queens speech takes about 4 days to organise not 5 weeks and is not a reason to suspend parliament.

Judges actually said suspension was to inhibit or stop Brexit debate is that not something to do with Brexit?

No they didn't.They made it very clear at the outset and again during the ruling that Brexit played no part in the decision making process.Anyway Boris can think himself lucky.The last fella to prorogue parliament had his head chopped off.

John Major was on telly a couple of nights ago, his head still appeared to be attached to his neck.

I should have said "the last person who misused prorogation."Thanks for the correction.

So Majors prorogation to prevent MPs being forced to face up to the cash for questions scandal was not a misuse, interesting.

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

Thatcher Rees-Mogg were/are Conservatives.

Can you give examples of Boris being illiberal?
It's just remain media spinning Boris as uber Conservative or something extreme, all he's trying to do is implement a democratic vote.

Can I just say one thing before i make some comments.

This country had a DEMOCRATIC (something the bad loosers like to bandy around a lot) VOTE on LEAVING or REMAINING within the EU. Against all opinion polls, big business, moneymen, Government, Most MP's, Liberal's, The Great British People threw the biggest curved ball to the establishment and you know what - "they do not like it up em Sargent Major" (Dad's Army).
Since that momentous morning in 2016, all the above (the sore looser brigade) have been trying every trick in the book to overturn the democratic will of the Great British people (oh, there's that word again - Democratic).

On a very similar note, the Referendum about forming a Welsh Assembly which was passed by the tiniest of Majority and has been controlled by Labour since inception, did you hear any of the defeated NO voters carrying on like little babies who have thrown there toys out of the pram ? No, they admitted defeat and Got on with it unlike the EU Remainer bad loosers.

Funny that old word, Democratic, comes up time after time. Wales as a whole Voted to LEAVE the EU but our Labour Run Welsh Assembly know better. Mr Drakeford Democracy personified !!!!

First comment :

Did you know that it was under Mr Blair's Labour Government that this "Supreme court" was set up and filled with Left Leaning Liberal Judges. I bet nearly all 11 or Majority voted to Remain.

Second Comment:

Suspending Parliament.

As we Know the first Court ruling said that it was not a Judicial Matter but a political matter and was dismissed.

The Scottish Judges Ruled that it was Illegal.

Unless I am misreading it, Today's Ruling states that Mr Johnson, Suspended Parliament for the reason to stiffle debate on Brexit. As in any normal court, where is the evidence that Mr Johnson was thinking that? Surely any court works on an Evidence based ruling and not what may or may not have been going on in someones mind ?

Yes you are misreading big time.Today's ruling had nothing to do with Brexit at all and wasn't considered at all during this hearing.A queens speech takes about 4 days to organise not 5 weeks and is not a reason to suspend parliament.

Judges actually said suspension was to inhibit or stop Brexit debate is that not something to do with Brexit?

No they didn't.They made it very clear at the outset and again during the ruling that Brexit played no part in the decision making process.Anyway Boris can think himself lucky.The last fella to prorogue parliament had his head chopped off.

John Major was on telly a couple of nights ago, his head still appeared to be attached to his neck.

I should have said "the last person who misused prorogation."Thanks for the correction.

So Majors prorogation to prevent MPs being forced to face up to the cash for questions scandal was not a misuse, interesting.

Lol

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

It is emerging on line so far a lot of these judges were remainers and not unbiased

It was like letting Leighton James referee the Swansea Cardiff match.

Boris had no chance the establishment is getting their way so far, we need an election and wholesale changes!

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Take your pick out of this lot. Not a lot of crossover here:

Positioned in the centre ground of British politics, the Liberal Democrats ideologically draw upon both liberalism and more specifically a social form of that ideology which promotes equality of opportunity. Different factions have dominated the party at different points in its history, each with its own ideological bent, some leaning towards the centre-left and others the centre-right. The party calls for constitutional reform, including a transition from the first-past-the-post voting system to proportional representation. Emphasising stronger protections for civil liberties, the party promotes socially liberal approaches to issues like LGBT rights, drug liberalisation, education policy, and criminal justice. It favours a market-based economy supplemented with social welfare spending. The party is internationalist and pro-European, supporting a People's Vote for the continued UK membership of the European Union and greater European integration; it previously called for adoption of the euro currency. The Lib Dems have promoted further environmental protections and opposed certain UK military engagements like the Iraq War.

Or do you need further examples

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Take your pick out of this lot. Not a lot of crossover here:

Positioned in the centre ground of British politics, the Liberal Democrats ideologically draw upon both liberalism and more specifically a social form of that ideology which promotes equality of opportunity. Different factions have dominated the party at different points in its history, each with its own ideological bent, some leaning towards the centre-left and others the centre-right. The party calls for constitutional reform, including a transition from the first-past-the-post voting system to proportional representation. Emphasising stronger protections for civil liberties, the party promotes socially liberal approaches to issues like LGBT rights, drug liberalisation, education policy, and criminal justice. It favours a market-based economy supplemented with social welfare spending. The party is internationalist and pro-European, supporting a People's Vote for the continued UK membership of the European Union and greater European integration; it previously called for adoption of the euro currency. The Lib Dems have promoted further environmental protections and opposed certain UK military engagements like the Iraq War.

Or do you need further examples

You can be liberal without being a member of the *liberal* democrats lol
Boris Johnson fits much of that criteria. Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration. The most racially diverse cabinet ever.
Why do you think Boris isn't a liberal? What about him is illiberal?
To my mind, Boris like many contemporary "one nation" *conservatives* could easily be in the Liberal Democrats. Which is why Nick Clegg formed a coalition with David Cameron over Gordon Brown.

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Take your pick out of this lot. Not a lot of crossover here:

Positioned in the centre ground of British politics, the Liberal Democrats ideologically draw upon both liberalism and more specifically a social form of that ideology which promotes equality of opportunity. Different factions have dominated the party at different points in its history, each with its own ideological bent, some leaning towards the centre-left and others the centre-right. The party calls for constitutional reform, including a transition from the first-past-the-post voting system to proportional representation. Emphasising stronger protections for civil liberties, the party promotes socially liberal approaches to issues like LGBT rights, drug liberalisation, education policy, and criminal justice. It favours a market-based economy supplemented with social welfare spending. The party is internationalist and pro-European, supporting a People's Vote for the continued UK membership of the European Union and greater European integration; it previously called for adoption of the euro currency. The Lib Dems have promoted further environmental protections and opposed certain UK military engagements like the Iraq War.

Or do you need further examples

You can be liberal without being a member of the *liberal* democrats lol
Boris Johnson fits much of that criteria. Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration. The most racially diverse cabinet ever.
Why do you think Boris isn't a liberal? What about him is illiberal?
To my mind, Boris like many contemporary "one nation" *conservatives* could easily be in the Liberal Democrats. Which is why Nick Clegg formed a coalition with David Cameron over Gordon Brown.

I give up

So being " Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration" makes you a liberal above all the other policies ? They may be relatively close to the centre right compared to some of their colleagues but they are pretty far away from the centre or centre left !!

Can I just say one thing before i make some comments.

This country had a DEMOCRATIC (something the bad loosers like to bandy around a lot) VOTE on LEAVING or REMAINING within the EU. Against all opinion polls, big business, moneymen, Government, Most MP's, Liberal's, The Great British People threw the biggest curved ball to the establishment and you know what - "they do not like it up em Sargent Major" (Dad's Army).
Since that momentous morning in 2016, all the above (the sore looser brigade) have been trying every trick in the book to overturn the democratic will of the Great British people (oh, there's that word again - Democratic).

On a very similar note, the Referendum about forming a Welsh Assembly which was passed by the tiniest of Majority and has been controlled by Labour since inception, did you hear any of the defeated NO voters carrying on like little babies who have thrown there toys out of the pram ? No, they admitted defeat and Got on with it unlike the EU Remainer bad loosers.

Funny that old word, Democratic, comes up time after time. Wales as a whole Voted to LEAVE the EU but our Labour Run Welsh Assembly know better. Mr Drakeford Democracy personified !!!!

First comment :

Did you know that it was under Mr Blair's Labour Government that this "Supreme court" was set up and filled with Left Leaning Liberal Judges. I bet nearly all 11 or Majority voted to Remain.

Second Comment:

Suspending Parliament.

As we Know the first Court ruling said that it was not a Judicial Matter but a political matter and was dismissed.

The Scottish Judges Ruled that it was Illegal.

Unless I am misreading it, Today's Ruling states that Mr Johnson, Suspended Parliament for the reason to stiffle debate on Brexit. As in any normal court, where is the evidence that Mr Johnson was thinking that? Surely any court works on an Evidence based ruling and not what may or may not have been going on in someones mind ?

Yes you are misreading big time.Today's ruling had nothing to do with Brexit at all and wasn't considered at all during this hearing.A queens speech takes about 4 days to organise not 5 weeks and is not a reason to suspend parliament.

Judges actually said suspension was to inhibit or stop Brexit debate is that not something to do with Brexit?

No they didn't.They made it very clear at the outset and again during the ruling that Brexit played no part in the decision making process.Anyway Boris can think himself lucky.The last fella to prorogue parliament had his head chopped off.

John Major was on telly a couple of nights ago, his head still appeared to be attached to his neck.

I should have said "the last person who misused prorogation."Thanks for the correction.

So Majors prorogation to prevent MPs being forced to face up to the cash for questions scandal was not a misuse, interesting.

Whether it was or not is totally irrelevant, nobody challenged it at the time. They did this time.

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Take your pick out of this lot. Not a lot of crossover here:

Positioned in the centre ground of British politics, the Liberal Democrats ideologically draw upon both liberalism and more specifically a social form of that ideology which promotes equality of opportunity. Different factions have dominated the party at different points in its history, each with its own ideological bent, some leaning towards the centre-left and others the centre-right. The party calls for constitutional reform, including a transition from the first-past-the-post voting system to proportional representation. Emphasising stronger protections for civil liberties, the party promotes socially liberal approaches to issues like LGBT rights, drug liberalisation, education policy, and criminal justice. It favours a market-based economy supplemented with social welfare spending. The party is internationalist and pro-European, supporting a People's Vote for the continued UK membership of the European Union and greater European integration; it previously called for adoption of the euro currency. The Lib Dems have promoted further environmental protections and opposed certain UK military engagements like the Iraq War.

Or do you need further examples

You can be liberal without being a member of the *liberal* democrats lol
Boris Johnson fits much of that criteria. Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration. The most racially diverse cabinet ever.
Why do you think Boris isn't a liberal? What about him is illiberal?
To my mind, Boris like many contemporary "one nation" *conservatives* could easily be in the Liberal Democrats. Which is why Nick Clegg formed a coalition with David Cameron over Gordon Brown.

You seem confused with your left and right?!

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Take your pick out of this lot. Not a lot of crossover here:

Positioned in the centre ground of British politics, the Liberal Democrats ideologically draw upon both liberalism and more specifically a social form of that ideology which promotes equality of opportunity. Different factions have dominated the party at different points in its history, each with its own ideological bent, some leaning towards the centre-left and others the centre-right. The party calls for constitutional reform, including a transition from the first-past-the-post voting system to proportional representation. Emphasising stronger protections for civil liberties, the party promotes socially liberal approaches to issues like LGBT rights, drug liberalisation, education policy, and criminal justice. It favours a market-based economy supplemented with social welfare spending. The party is internationalist and pro-European, supporting a People's Vote for the continued UK membership of the European Union and greater European integration; it previously called for adoption of the euro currency. The Lib Dems have promoted further environmental protections and opposed certain UK military engagements like the Iraq War.

Or do you need further examples

You can be liberal without being a member of the *liberal* democrats lol
Boris Johnson fits much of that criteria. Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration. The most racially diverse cabinet ever.
Why do you think Boris isn't a liberal? What about him is illiberal?
To my mind, Boris like many contemporary "one nation" *conservatives* could easily be in the Liberal Democrats. Which is why Nick Clegg formed a coalition with David Cameron over Gordon Brown.

I give up

So being " Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration" makes you a liberal above all the other policies ? They may be relatively close to the centre right compared to some of their colleagues but they are pretty far away from the centre or centre left !!

Yes, those political positions make Boris liberal. Why is he illiberal? Name his policies that are illiberal?

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Take your pick out of this lot. Not a lot of crossover here:

Positioned in the centre ground of British politics, the Liberal Democrats ideologically draw upon both liberalism and more specifically a social form of that ideology which promotes equality of opportunity. Different factions have dominated the party at different points in its history, each with its own ideological bent, some leaning towards the centre-left and others the centre-right. The party calls for constitutional reform, including a transition from the first-past-the-post voting system to proportional representation. Emphasising stronger protections for civil liberties, the party promotes socially liberal approaches to issues like LGBT rights, drug liberalisation, education policy, and criminal justice. It favours a market-based economy supplemented with social welfare spending. The party is internationalist and pro-European, supporting a People's Vote for the continued UK membership of the European Union and greater European integration; it previously called for adoption of the euro currency. The Lib Dems have promoted further environmental protections and opposed certain UK military engagements like the Iraq War.

Or do you need further examples

You can be liberal without being a member of the *liberal* democrats lol
Boris Johnson fits much of that criteria. Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration. The most racially diverse cabinet ever.
Why do you think Boris isn't a liberal? What about him is illiberal?
To my mind, Boris like many contemporary "one nation" *conservatives* could easily be in the Liberal Democrats. Which is why Nick Clegg formed a coalition with David Cameron over Gordon Brown.

I give up

So being " Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration" makes you a liberal above all the other policies ? They may be relatively close to the centre right compared to some of their colleagues but they are pretty far away from the centre or centre left !!

Yes, your inherent values as a person make you more liberal (or not) than the political views of a party as a whole, which can and will change on a whim (Lib dems wanted an in-out referendum 10 years ago for example, so whats changed? the opportunity to seize a unique point of view and more votes is all, its got nothing to do with being a liberal)

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Take your pick out of this lot. Not a lot of crossover here:

Positioned in the centre ground of British politics, the Liberal Democrats ideologically draw upon both liberalism and more specifically a social form of that ideology which promotes equality of opportunity. Different factions have dominated the party at different points in its history, each with its own ideological bent, some leaning towards the centre-left and others the centre-right. The party calls for constitutional reform, including a transition from the first-past-the-post voting system to proportional representation. Emphasising stronger protections for civil liberties, the party promotes socially liberal approaches to issues like LGBT rights, drug liberalisation, education policy, and criminal justice. It favours a market-based economy supplemented with social welfare spending. The party is internationalist and pro-European, supporting a People's Vote for the continued UK membership of the European Union and greater European integration; it previously called for adoption of the euro currency. The Lib Dems have promoted further environmental protections and opposed certain UK military engagements like the Iraq War.

Or do you need further examples

You can be liberal without being a member of the *liberal* democrats lol
Boris Johnson fits much of that criteria. Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration. The most racially diverse cabinet ever.
Why do you think Boris isn't a liberal? What about him is illiberal?
To my mind, Boris like many contemporary "one nation" *conservatives* could easily be in the Liberal Democrats. Which is why Nick Clegg formed a coalition with David Cameron over Gordon Brown.

You seem confused with your left and right?!

You seem confused as to what nationalism is, if you welcome mass immigration while claiming to be pro Welsh Culture.

Why do you think i'm confused about left and right?

As you implied that the judges were anti Brexit, this judgement has nothing to do with Brexit, it’s about Boris misleading the Queen.

It was not about Boris misleading the Queen. It was about how much power the PM (The Executive) has to prorogue Parliament. Apparently Boris still has every right to prorogue Parliament but it seems he can't do it for 5 weeks whilst BREXIT and other legislation is still going through the house (so it can be scrutinised), even though previous PM's (including John Major) have prorogue Parliament for longer.

Labour announce another uncosted bribe/freebie. Hand relief for all men over 65.

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IF the law passed on Tuesday must be obeyed then why is the referendum not being obeyed 17.4 million people are being denied the result yet a desicion by 11 judges must be obeyed.

Whether it was or not is totally irrelevant, nobody challenged it at the time. They did this time.

No one could challenge John Major's proroguing of Parliament in 1997 because at the Supreme Court didn't exist. Therefore precedent existed and the SC should have kept their noses out. The fact the SC did intervene and state proroguing Parliament was justiciable proves on a balance of probabilities they were biased.

IF the law passed on Tuesday must be obeyed then why is the referendum not being obeyed 17.4 million people are being denied the result yet a desicion by 11 judges must be obeyed.

Don't get me wrong I'm not a remain voter but when I have heard them asked this question they generally answer with "the referendum was only advisory".

This of course opens up further questions like "well what would have happened if remain had won?" Also why was the electorate repeatedly told that the result would be 'implemented?'