Ot boris shutting down parliament

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Sorry but the last bit is a lie
https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/
You can see papers from 2015 specifically stating that the government doesn't need to implement it. Just because every brochure didn't state it doesn't mean it's suddenly different.
Just because the government said they'd do it doesn't mean that they have to (as we all know through many years experience)

Who cares we are leaving

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Sorry but the last bit is a lie
https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/
You can see papers from 2015 specifically stating that the government doesn't need to implement it. Just because every brochure didn't state it doesn't mean it's suddenly different.
Just because the government said they'd do it doesn't mean that they have to (as we all know through many years experience)

I have just re-read the brochure the government sent to my house (yours as well) and I can assure you there is no mention of this being an "advisory only" vote. Google it and see for yourself. I am sure if you search various internet sites you will find the true definition of a referendum. Not everyone has access to the internet and will have assumed the info provided by the government to be accurate. I researched the pros and cons of being a member of the EU, but it never crossed my mind (and I doubt anyone elses) to get the definition of a referendum. Same with General Elections, I make my choice and vote, never thought of looking into the true definition of a General Election. I would bet nearly everyone believed the same as I did, that we were voting to stay in or leave the EU. This is what we were told, and the once in a generation vote was pushed down our throats by Cameron etc. Did anyone else on this forum know prior to the referendum that this was no more than an advisory exercise, or am I the only thick person left in the UK.

Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632

Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.

A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.

It's a novel tactic by the 'people who believe in democracy' side by doing something which is the complete opposite of the definition of democracy (a system of government).

I've always found the traitor line odd, could someone explain how people have been traitors (with examples of course)?

Our PM (love him or hate him) is negotiating a deal with the E.U., remainers are meeting with the E.U. promising they’ll stop Brexit and weakening our position, if that’s not treachery what is.

I think Boris has dropped a bollock here.Seems he's now totally alienated quite a few Tories.This current political situation is as much about the future of the Conservative Party as it is about Brexit.A couple of recent programmes fronted by Portillo was a real eye opener.Whatever happens about Brexit there's a real concern that the Tories will never again be able to come together.
It is now plain to me that the whole Brexit philosophy underpinned by the ERG section of the Tory party is driven by an ancient ideology and not necessarily whats best for this country.Most on here won't swallow it I know.

Hard hat on.

Ideology drives this on both sides. It was John Major's pro European ideology that took us into the disastrous ERM. It was pro European ideology that led to the fabricated dire financial predictions in the event we left the ERM.

That's history but the pro European ideology is not. We've been driven by pro European ideology since Thatcher was kicked out and if we end up staying in that's what will happen in the future.

We're no closer to knowing where we'll be in 10 years if decide to remain. Theres no f*cking remain deal telling us what's going to happen in the event that we stay in cause no fucker knows.

It will be "as you were" I suppose is my best guess which is a lot better than no deal.I voted remain after waiting for someone who actually knows what they are on about to explain how we'd as a nation would be better off and I'm still waiting.I don't see why anyone should suffer hardship because of some outdated Tory ideology.There's one thing I do know though,predicting the outcome of this mess is impossible.But you have at least illustrated the ideological battle taking place in the Tory Party at the moment.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Sorry but the last bit is a lie
https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/
You can see papers from 2015 specifically stating that the government doesn't need to implement it. Just because every brochure didn't state it doesn't mean it's suddenly different.
Just because the government said they'd do it doesn't mean that they have to (as we all know through many years experience)

I have just re-read the brochure the government sent to my house (yours as well) and I can assure you there is no mention of this being an "advisory only" vote. Google it and see for yourself. I am sure if you search various internet sites you will find the true definition of a referendum. Not everyone has access to the internet and will have assumed the info provided by the government to be accurate. I researched the pros and cons of being a member of the EU, but it never crossed my mind (and I doubt anyone elses) to get the definition of a referendum. Same with General Elections, I make my choice and vote, never thought of looking into the true definition of a General Election. I would bet nearly everyone believed the same as I did, that we were voting to stay in or leave the EU. This is what we were told, and the once in a generation vote was pushed down our throats by Cameron etc. Did anyone else on this forum know prior to the referendum that this was no more than an advisory exercise, or am I the only thick person left in the UK.

Everyone knew the score it's just remainers that will never accept Brexit clutching at straws, it's best to ignore them because it doesn't make a blind bit of difference whatever they say, no one will change their minds, so let's just get on with it and forget the squabbling

Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632

Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.

A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.

It's a novel tactic by the 'people who believe in democracy' side by doing something which is the complete opposite of the definition of democracy (a system of government).

I've always found the traitor line odd, could someone explain how people have been traitors (with examples of course)?

Our PM (love him or hate him) is negotiating a deal with the E.U., remainers are meeting with the E.U. promising they’ll stop Brexit and weakening our position, if that’s not treachery what is.

Spot on that's despicable

Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632

Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.

A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.

A fight between Internationalists and Little Englanders.
A fight between people living in the past and those who look to the future.
A fight between those who do not not believe in parliamentary democracy ( oh the irony) and those who do.

Time for interpretive dance Jock. It helps with flexibility. Who knows it may help get your head out your ass.

I’m no little Englander
I voted Brexit for future generations not myself
The country voted, democratically, to leave
I feel my PHD in interpretive dance is as far as I can take it, I’ll send my dissertation on the Hucklebuck over, if you’d like to read and critique it.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

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we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

I think Boris has dropped a bollock here.Seems he's now totally alienated quite a few Tories.This current political situation is as much about the future of the Conservative Party as it is about Brexit.A couple of recent programmes fronted by Portillo was a real eye opener.Whatever happens about Brexit there's a real concern that the Tories will never again be able to come together.
It is now plain to me that the whole Brexit philosophy underpinned by the ERG section of the Tory party is driven by an ancient ideology and not necessarily whats best for this country.Most on here won't swallow it I know.

Hard hat on.

I dont think he has , it gives him time to get a new deal back to parliment without the remianers sabotaging talks ,the language from the eu has totally change since the g7 summit talk of a new deal happening , i can see a canada style deal being brought back from the summit in october

Boris will faced the same problems as May did if Parliament is not shut down. The UKIP aka Brexit Party embedded in the Tory Party will be praying Boris can pull this off. I say praying because they know they are a minority within Parliament. I'm expecting the Pro EU lot to let their masks drop so a No Deal becomes a No Go Deal.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

The vote to go into the EU as it was then in the 70s wasn't legally binding, but I'm guessing your ok with that one and won't shout it from the rooftops??

I think Boris has dropped a bollock here.Seems he's now totally alienated quite a few Tories.This current political situation is as much about the future of the Conservative Party as it is about Brexit.A couple of recent programmes fronted by Portillo was a real eye opener.Whatever happens about Brexit there's a real concern that the Tories will never again be able to come together.
It is now plain to me that the whole Brexit philosophy underpinned by the ERG section of the Tory party is driven by an ancient ideology and not necessarily whats best for this country.Most on here won't swallow it I know.

Hard hat on.

Ideology drives this on both sides. It was John Major's pro European ideology that took us into the disastrous ERM. It was pro European ideology that led to the fabricated dire financial predictions in the event we left the ERM.

That's history but the pro European ideology is not. We've been driven by pro European ideology since Thatcher was kicked out and if we end up staying in that's what will happen in the future.

We're no closer to knowing where we'll be in 10 years if decide to remain. Theres no f*cking remain deal telling us what's going to happen in the event that we stay in cause no fucker knows.

It will be "as you were" I suppose is my best guess which is a lot better than no deal.I voted remain after waiting for someone who actually knows what they are on about to explain how we'd as a nation would be better off and I'm still waiting.I don't see why anyone should suffer hardship because of some outdated Tory ideology.There's one thing I do know though,predicting the outcome of this mess is impossible.But you have at least illustrated the ideological battle taking place in the Tory Party at the moment.

No such thing as " as you were " . If we stay what's likely to change in the next 10 years ? You don't know? The same as you don't know that people will be worse off. Reduce the labour supply and wages don't go down, they go up. I employ an eastern European and British workforce.

Since we voted to leave and labour supply dried up I'm probably paying a minimum of 25% extra for the equivalent workers. At the same time these boys have seen they rents stabilize. No longer are they sharing 3 or 4 bread winners to pay the rent, they've settled down moved in with girlfriends and in one case started a family.

Its not about immigration for me, its about me feeling that I get nothing from the bureaucrats in Brussells and there's very little my vote can do to change it. If we were Irish or from Luxembourg we'd feel we were better represented although I'm not suggesting we have more MEP's.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6

Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

was that the bill that was passed ? I know there were many amendments between this bill and the actual act in the December..
genuine question.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6

Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

If was advisory why the fck have we wasted 3 yrs and millions on planning for it? After was defeated in parliament being advisory meant could just drop it surely? Seems MPs from both sides going a long way for something we can simply ignore

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6

Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6

Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY

Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6

Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY

The video you found for me is the one I am talking about. Farage/Miller, Nov 2016. The other one even more recent, and viewed by a few hundred people. As I said earlier, how come we hear all this after the vote, but no mention before it.

Last edited by Steve Zodiak on Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

The vote to go into the EU as it was then in the 70s wasn't legally binding, but I'm guessing your ok with that one and won't shout it from the rooftops??

They told us we were voting to be part of a trading block, Heath and co forgot to mention they were already planning for a Federal Europe.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

was that the bill that was passed ? I know there were many amendments between this bill and the actual act in the December..
genuine question.

Yes this was the Bill which lead to the referendum

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

The vote to go into the EU as it was then in the 70s wasn't legally binding, but I'm guessing your ok with that one and won't shout it from the rooftops??

Parliament are elected in order to do what is best for the country. If the referendum had passed with an overwhelming majority then they wouldn’t have a chance of remaining. As it stands they know they have 48%+ of the public who will support their decision

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Actually I was aware that it was advisory as is every referendum unless stated

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6

Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY

The video you found for me is the one I am talking about. Farage/Miller, Nov 2016. The other one even more recent, and viewed by a few hundred people. As I said earlier, how come we hear all this after the vote, but no mention before it.

If you're talking about the articles- they are dated
If you're talking about the YouTube video- it was just a compilation of videos said at the time, just because that video didn't exist then doesn't mean they didn't say it back then.

And to quickly answer the person above you
If Johnson said that we'd have a vote on either remain and no deal (or a deal if he negotiates one) and no deal wins (without breaking the law again) then I'd accept it.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Actually I was aware that it was advisory as is every referendum unless stated

OK, that is fair enough. I am sure you will understand that many people like me who have only ever been party to one referendum (although it sound as if my vote to remain in the EEC may have been an advisory referendum as well) will have read the brochure sent to us and listened to the live debates as well as Question Time etc. I am fairly confident that the phrase "advisory" was never mentioned back then, because had it been made perfectly clear that the vote was non binding, I am fairly certain that I would have given the Polling Station a miss. Only appeared to have been brought to the public's attention because the vote was leave, but I do not recall any such discussions when I voted in favour of us remaining in the EEC back in the year whenever it was. Be interesting to know what percentage of the population knew prior to the vote that it was actually just an advisory vote and no more. I would suggest very few of us.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

The vote to go into the EU as it was then in the 70s wasn't legally binding, but I'm guessing your ok with that one and won't shout it from the rooftops??

Parliament are elected in order to do what is best for the country. If the referendum had passed with an overwhelming majority then they wouldn’t have a chance of remaining. As it stands they know they have 48%+ of the public who will support their decision

Nicely avoided.

You scream the referendum wasn't legally binding but upon finding out the one that took us in wasn't either you choose to ignore that fact and point out the result of the most recent referendum.

The vote in wasn't legally binding so our PM is now acting in our best interests and taking us out. He's doing what's best for the country as you pointed out.

Johnson is on the way to being one of our shortest serving Prime Ministers ( thank goodness! ).

Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632

Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.

A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.

A fight between Internationalists and Little Englanders.
A fight between people living in the past and those who look to the future.
A fight between those who do not not believe in parliamentary democracy ( oh the irony) and those who do.

Time for interpretive dance Jock. It helps with flexibility. Who knows it may help get your head out your ass.

Are the little Englanders those who want Brexit?

I want Brexit please be assured I am not a little Englander.

I love visiting other countries especially in Europe. I love our European friends. I want alignment with Europe. I just don’t want to be part of the bloated reich that is the EU.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6

Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY

The video you found for me is the one I am talking about. Farage/Miller, Nov 2016. The other one even more recent, and viewed by a few hundred people. As I said earlier, how come we hear all this after the vote, but no mention before it.

If you're talking about the articles- they are dated
If you're talking about the YouTube video- it was just a compilation of videos said at the time, just because that video didn't exist then doesn't mean they didn't say it back then.

And to quickly answer the person above you
If Johnson said that we'd have a vote on either remain and no deal (or a deal if he negotiates one) and no deal wins (without breaking the law again) then I'd accept it.

I'm talking about the link to the video you provided that shows the conversation between Farage & Miller, which took place after Brexit. Gina Miller was virtually unheard of until after the referendum and the decision to invoke article 50.

we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.

Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf

zzzzzzzzzz No one cares - We are leaving