BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?

They're arguing that the people did not vote for no deal Brexit? But as far as I'm aware it was leave or remain neither deal or no deal was on ballot paper! Corbyn is unelectable and liberals know it shame the nationalists cant see that.... no deal is dar preferably to having Corbyn in power...

But even the official leave campaigns said we'd leave with a deal, only when no deal became realistic did the PR campaign about how it's good come out.
By your logic about what was said on the ballot paper we could nuke the UK until there's not a shred of life left and there is no UK to be a part of the EU, would it be undemocratic not to want that?

What the fck as nukeing UK got to do with the point that it was a straight leave or remain on paper? Fact they said will leave with deal was preferred option it was NOT on paper but self opinionated self serving MPs who couldn't give a fck about democratic referendum result is why we are in position of no deal! And mustn't forget those wanting a people's referendum on any decision agreed also want to put remain on paper that to me is underhand and dishonest by wanting remain by back door! Major organisations like financial institutions are ready for no deal and more and more organisations are getting ready for no deal, it will not be armageddon remainers are spouting or do you only see one side of an argument which is remain regardless of cost to democracy?

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CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

There was/is no plan for no-deal but it was a possibility that was openly discussed by prominent campaigners. Your beloved E.U. has driven us down this route by insisting on the N.I. back stop. Even though the Republican of Ireland, The E.U. and Number 10 have all said they wouldn't impose a hard border on Ireland. So why the back stop? It's a mechanism invented by the E.U. to keep us over a barrel. Boris is absolutely correct in his decision to walk away.

England would vote for a Brexit from Wales Scotland and N.I

Yes please England, go for it!

Bluegog desperate for Wales to achieve Albanian status..

Yeah, go England..

Albania status? No I don't think so. Open your eyes!!

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CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

There was/is no plan for no-deal but it was a possibility that was openly discussed by prominent campaigners. Your beloved E.U. has driven us down this route by insisting on the N.I. back stop. Even though the Republican of Ireland, The E.U. and Number 10 have all said they wouldn't impose a hard border on Ireland. So why the back stop? It's a mechanism invented by the E.U. to keep us over a barrel. Boris is absolutely correct in his decision to walk away.

Hes Googled a 3yr old article slightly behind what's happend since or he's just living in past?

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

There was/is no plan for no-deal but it was a possibility that was openly discussed by prominent campaigners. Your beloved E.U. has driven us down this route by insisting on the N.I. back stop. Even though the Republican of Ireland, The E.U. and Number 10 have all said they wouldn't impose a hard border on Ireland. So why the back stop? It's a mechanism invented by the E.U. to keep us over a barrel. Boris is absolutely correct in his decision to walk away.

How would you sort out a border then?

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England would vote for a Brexit from Wales Scotland and N.I

Yes please England, go for it!

Bluegog desperate for Wales to achieve Albanian status..

Yeah, go England..

Albania status? No I don't think so. Open your eyes!!

Welsh Independence would be led by Marxists like Leanne Wood Adam price et al. More interested in political correctness than pragmatic solutions to economic problems. Under marxists That 70 billion would ebb away.
I'm not against using independence as a bargaining chip in negotiations with Westminster but to actually do it. I think the economic & Cultural price would be heavy. We'd be even more "dependent" on the E.U. and subjected to open borders. f**k Welsh, we'd all be speaking urdu in a 100 years lol

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

There was/is no plan for no-deal but it was a possibility that was openly discussed by prominent campaigners. Your beloved E.U. has driven us down this route by insisting on the N.I. back stop. Even though the Republican of Ireland, The E.U. and Number 10 have all said they wouldn't impose a hard border on Ireland. So why the back stop? It's a mechanism invented by the E.U. to keep us over a barrel. Boris is absolutely correct in his decision to walk away.

How would you sort out a border then?

The backstop should never have been agreed to by may as she knew it was not acceptable by unionists and considering they kept her in power maybe thats what she wanted all along? If it was not agreed to something else could have been sorted as she had 3yrs to do so, Conspiracy theorists could say she never wanted Brexit and put in backstop to stop Brexit? EU rubbed their hands in delight getting the backstop agreed as they thought we would not leave except they didn't count on boris situation..

Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?

They're arguing that the people did not vote for no deal Brexit? But as far as I'm aware it was leave or remain neither deal or no deal was on ballot paper! Corbyn is unelectable and liberals know it shame the nationalists cant see that.... no deal is dar preferably to having Corbyn in power...

But even the official leave campaigns said we'd leave with a deal, only when no deal became realistic did the PR campaign about how it's good come out.
By your logic about what was said on the ballot paper we could nuke the UK until there's not a shred of life left and there is no UK to be a part of the EU, would it be undemocratic not to want that?

What the fck as nukeing UK got to do with the point that it was a straight leave or remain on paper? Fact they said will leave with deal was preferred option it was NOT on paper but self opinionated self serving MPs who couldn't give a fck about democratic referendum result is why we are in position of no deal! And mustn't forget those wanting a people's referendum on any decision agreed also want to put remain on paper that to me is underhand and dishonest by wanting remain by back door! Major organisations like financial institutions are ready for no deal and more and more organisations are getting ready for no deal, it will not be armageddon remainers are spouting or do you only see one side of an argument which is remain regardless of cost to democracy?

I said about nuking the UK as an extreme response to the 'well it only said leave or remain not how we leave' point.
Your logic on that point is that, as you voted to leave, your vote to leave is a vote to leave with a soft brexit, hard brexit, no deal brexit, and anything even more extreme.

I'm a Labour voter.

Corbyn will NEVER win a GE. That's a fact.

People forget about the good things Blair did for this country.

That is the only sort of leader that will win an election for Labour against Johnson.

I voted Andy Burnham for Labour Leader and still believe he would beat Johnson.

Could do with a neither option.

Blair are you completely serious ? The man is a war criminal he destroyed a country on a lie engendered by himself and Bush. Every terrorist attack since then has the blood of its victims entirely on his shoulders home and abroad. Every migrant fleeing Iraq Afghanistan Libya and Syria has his DNA on it.
The guy should be in a stinking dungeon chained to the wall and even though I despise Corbyn I would choose him any day over that murdering scum bag Blair.
Yes I think you understand I hate the smug c**t with everything I have.

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

There was/is no plan for no-deal but it was a possibility that was openly discussed by prominent campaigners. Your beloved E.U. has driven us down this route by insisting on the N.I. back stop. Even though the Republican of Ireland, The E.U. and Number 10 have all said they wouldn't impose a hard border on Ireland. So why the back stop? It's a mechanism invented by the E.U. to keep us over a barrel. Boris is absolutely correct in his decision to walk away.

How would you sort out a border then?

Lol...I just said the border is a non issue invented by Ireland and the E.U.

As a side issue, you seem like a Social Justice Warrior type, power to the people, smash the cosy elites etc.
Why are you not on here raving about a blatant refusal by main stream media to discuss over 40 weeks of civil unrest in E.U. France. People are dying, yet the BBC are very quiet. Has Corbyn even mentioned it?

Major organisations like financial institutions are ready for no deal and more and more organisations are getting ready for no deal, it will not be armageddon remainers are spouting or do you only see one side of an argument which is remain regardless of cost to democracy?

Funny how the goal posts have moved from "easiest deal in history" to "not be Armageddon". If you bought a Jaguar and a burnt out wreckage of a Reliant Regal was left at your door I imagine your reaction would be "well at least the four horseman of the apocalypse are nowhere to be seen, now lets take this bad boy for a spin."

Businesses are simply not ready for no deal. The cost of stockpiling is prohibitive to many, and access to goods will become more difficult (not impossible). BEIS predict delays at the border for 2-3 days in the immediate aftermath of no deal. The cost of goods will inevitably go up, the value of the pound will go down, and the only people that will benefit will be currency speculators that bet against the UK.

In the referendum debate any mention of going on to WTO was dismissed as scaremongering. Well here we are and now people are making the ludicrous assertion that this is where they wanted to be.

It is reasonable to want to leave the EU. I still cannot get my head around anyone who is dense enough to want to leave with no deal. It is awful for everyone, the UK, the EU, Wales and Ireland especially. Why does anyone want that? We have gone from being told of sunny uplands, to appealing to the mythical blitz spirit. We need to grow up, be patient, and work to get an exit deal that delivers the mandate.

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

May was offered a Norway plus deal but didn’t even consider it. All she and Hammond ever wanted was to remain in a non functioning EU.

Major organisations like financial institutions are ready for no deal and more and more organisations are getting ready for no deal, it will not be armageddon remainers are spouting or do you only see one side of an argument which is remain regardless of cost to democracy?

Funny how the goal posts have moved from "easiest deal in history" to "not be Armageddon". If you bought a Jaguar and a burnt out wreckage of a Reliant Regal was left at your door I imagine your reaction would be "well at least the four horseman of the apocalypse are nowhere to be seen, now lets take this bad boy for a spin."

Businesses are simply not ready for no deal. The cost of stockpiling is prohibitive to many, and access to goods will become more difficult (not impossible). BEIS predict delays at the border for 2-3 days in the immediate aftermath of no deal. The cost of goods will inevitably go up, the value of the pound will go down, and the only people that will benefit will be currency speculators that bet against the UK.

In the referendum debate any mention of going on to WTO was dismissed as scaremongering. Well here we are and now people are making the ludicrous assertion that this is where they wanted to be.

It is reasonable to want to leave the EU. I still cannot get my head around anyone who is dense enough to want to leave with no deal. It is awful for everyone, the UK, the EU, Wales and Ireland especially. Why does anyone want that? We have gone from being told of sunny uplands, to appealing to the mythical blitz spirit. We need to grow up, be patient, and work to get an exit deal that delivers the mandate.

The reason we are leaving with No Deal is down to May and Co. If the EU weren’t so terrified of us leaving and rather than punish us as a deterrent to others, negotiated a deal that would benefit the U.K. and the remaining 27 we wouldn’t be in this position. People talk about tariffs but nobody ever mentions the ones the EU imposes on non EU countries, particularly third world countries, African agricultural products are subject to 300% tariffs.
The French guy running the Port of Calais said there’s absolutely no reason for delays. Most of it is project fear, like that piece of shite Adonis claiming the chaos at Gatwick, caused by drones, is what every U.K. airport will be like post Brexit.

Major organisations like financial institutions are ready for no deal and more and more organisations are getting ready for no deal, it will not be armageddon remainers are spouting or do you only see one side of an argument which is remain regardless of cost to democracy?

Funny how the goal posts have moved from "easiest deal in history" to "not be Armageddon". If you bought a Jaguar and a burnt out wreckage of a Reliant Regal was left at your door I imagine your reaction would be "well at least the four horseman of the apocalypse are nowhere to be seen, now lets take this bad boy for a spin."

Businesses are simply not ready for no deal. The cost of stockpiling is prohibitive to many, and access to goods will become more difficult (not impossible). BEIS predict delays at the border for 2-3 days in the immediate aftermath of no deal. The cost of goods will inevitably go up, the value of the pound will go down, and the only people that will benefit will be currency speculators that bet against the UK.

In the referendum debate any mention of going on to WTO was dismissed as scaremongering. Well here we are and now people are making the ludicrous assertion that this is where they wanted to be.

It is reasonable to want to leave the EU. I still cannot get my head around anyone who is dense enough to want to leave with no deal. It is awful for everyone, the UK, the EU, Wales and Ireland especially. Why does anyone want that? We have gone from being told of sunny uplands, to appealing to the mythical blitz spirit. We need to grow up, be patient, and work to get an exit deal that delivers the mandate.

During the referendum Philip Hammond said a WTO Brexit was the only honest Brexit.

I'm not sure why you're calling people dense for retaining the option of walking away from a negotiation. How can you seriously say that you will negotiate, but never walk away from a terrible deal. Isn't that dense?

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

There was/is no plan for no-deal but it was a possibility that was openly discussed by prominent campaigners. Your beloved E.U. has driven us down this route by insisting on the N.I. back stop. Even though the Republican of Ireland, The E.U. and Number 10 have all said they wouldn't impose a hard border on Ireland. So why the back stop? It's a mechanism invented by the E.U. to keep us over a barrel. Boris is absolutely correct in his decision to walk away.

How would you sort out a border then?

Lol...I just said the border is a non issue invented by Ireland and the E.U.

As a side issue, you seem like a Social Justice Warrior type, power to the people, smash the cosy elites etc.
Why are you not on here raving about a blatant refusal by main stream media to discuss over 40 weeks of civil unrest in E.U. France. People are dying, yet the BBC are very quiet. Has Corbyn even mentioned it?

I'll quickly caveat by saying that I don't watch BBC news so I don't know what they're saying but there's events happening all over the world (e.g. Hong Kong, Afghanistan, Syria etc) which should also be talked about and with only a limited time for foreign events, unless a major incident happens in France then they probably won't mention it (same as they don't mention every shooting in America)
Genuine question, has any news worthy event happened in these French protests in the last week?

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

May was offered a Norway plus deal but didn’t even consider it. All she and Hammond ever wanted was to remain in a non functioning EU.

She didn't believe it fulfilled the mandate as would have required continued free movement of people. You could easily stock libraries across the land with criticisms of May, but I think it is a bit a stretch to say she didn't want to fulfil the 2016 mandate. She tabled her exit deal 3 times!

Major organisations like financial institutions are ready for no deal and more and more organisations are getting ready for no deal, it will not be armageddon remainers are spouting or do you only see one side of an argument which is remain regardless of cost to democracy?

Funny how the goal posts have moved from "easiest deal in history" to "not be Armageddon". If you bought a Jaguar and a burnt out wreckage of a Reliant Regal was left at your door I imagine your reaction would be "well at least the four horseman of the apocalypse are nowhere to be seen, now lets take this bad boy for a spin."

Businesses are simply not ready for no deal. The cost of stockpiling is prohibitive to many, and access to goods will become more difficult (not impossible). BEIS predict delays at the border for 2-3 days in the immediate aftermath of no deal. The cost of goods will inevitably go up, the value of the pound will go down, and the only people that will benefit will be currency speculators that bet against the UK.

In the referendum debate any mention of going on to WTO was dismissed as scaremongering. Well here we are and now people are making the ludicrous assertion that this is where they wanted to be.

It is reasonable to want to leave the EU. I still cannot get my head around anyone who is dense enough to want to leave with no deal. It is awful for everyone, the UK, the EU, Wales and Ireland especially. Why does anyone want that? We have gone from being told of sunny uplands, to appealing to the mythical blitz spirit. We need to grow up, be patient, and work to get an exit deal that delivers the mandate.

During the referendum Philip Hammond said a WTO Brexit was the only honest Brexit.

I'm not sure why you're calling people dense for retaining the option of walking away from a negotiation. How can you seriously say that you will negotiate, but never walk away from a terrible deal. Isn't that dense?

But you're not walking away to return to the status quo as in most deals. By leaving you are giving yourself a worse negotiating position, damaging the economy, and any leverage we have at the moment is gone. What's the point if it can be avoided?

The reason we are leaving with No Deal is down to May and Co. If the EU weren’t so terrified of us leaving and rather than punish us as a deterrent to others, negotiated a deal that would benefit the U.K. and the remaining 27 we wouldn’t be in this position. People talk about tariffs but nobody ever mentions the ones the EU imposes on non EU countries, particularly third world countries, African agricultural products are subject to 300% tariffs.
The French guy running the Port of Calais said there’s absolutely no reason for delays. Most of it is project fear, like that piece of shite Adonis claiming the chaos at Gatwick, caused by drones, is what every U.K. airport will be like post Brexit.

This is nonsense.

Firstly on African agricultural goods - Because of Generalised Scheme of Preferences (GSP) and Generalized Scheme of Preferences Plus (GSP+) most African countries aren’t subject to the majority of agricultural tariffs. This is a myth made up by Brexiteers to make their position seem benevolent. Info here- https://fullfact.org/europe/out-africa- ... n-exports/

Secondly the french guy doesn't get to choose EU law. The UK Government is preparing, for a no deal scenario but the simple fact of adding trade friction between us and the EU will lead to delays. We will be classed as a "third country" in EU law if we leave with No Deal, and will have to comply with the new checks at the border that will require. Unfortunately the french guy running the port of calais doesn't get to choose that, but he is (rightly) concerned about the competition that will be created through other trade channels becoming comparatively attractive as a result of Calais delays.

Thirdly, the EU doesn't want us to leave with no deal, of course not it will be incredibly damaging for them as well.

Fourthly, under WTO rules, any tariffs we impose, in the absence of a trade deal, will have to be the exact same for all other countries! Why would you willingly put yourself in that position?

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

There was/is no plan for no-deal but it was a possibility that was openly discussed by prominent campaigners. Your beloved E.U. has driven us down this route by insisting on the N.I. back stop. Even though the Republican of Ireland, The E.U. and Number 10 have all said they wouldn't impose a hard border on Ireland. So why the back stop? It's a mechanism invented by the E.U. to keep us over a barrel. Boris is absolutely correct in his decision to walk away.

How would you sort out a border then?

Lol...I just said the border is a non issue invented by Ireland and the E.U.

As a side issue, you seem like a Social Justice Warrior type, power to the people, smash the cosy elites etc.
Why are you not on here raving about a blatant refusal by main stream media to discuss over 40 weeks of civil unrest in E.U. France. People are dying, yet the BBC are very quiet. Has Corbyn even mentioned it?

I'll quickly caveat by saying that I don't watch BBC news so I don't know what they're saying but there's events happening all over the world (e.g. Hong Kong, Afghanistan, Syria etc) which should also be talked about and with only a limited time for foreign events, unless a major incident happens in France then they probably won't mention it (same as they don't mention every shooting in America)
Genuine question, has any news worthy event happened in these French protests in the last week?

It's quiet across all media outlets not just the BBC.
Hong Kong has recieved far more air time in a week than prolonged civil unrest in E.U. France.
Guy Verhofstadt MEP and Brexit Co ordinator for The Paliament has tweeted about Hong Kong protests numerous times. Yet nothing about France. This Guy epitomises what the E.U. has become, we must leave and restore democracy.
In France there's been numerous deaths, life changing injuries, 100s hospitalised and you ask if anything news worthy has happened?
This is where you lose credibility in view. Why can't the criticise the pro remain media or the E.U.?
You'd rather side with Goldman Sachs than Tony Benn.

Major organisations like financial institutions are ready for no deal and more and more organisations are getting ready for no deal, it will not be armageddon remainers are spouting or do you only see one side of an argument which is remain regardless of cost to democracy?

Funny how the goal posts have moved from "easiest deal in history" to "not be Armageddon". If you bought a Jaguar and a burnt out wreckage of a Reliant Regal was left at your door I imagine your reaction would be "well at least the four horseman of the apocalypse are nowhere to be seen, now lets take this bad boy for a spin."

Businesses are simply not ready for no deal. The cost of stockpiling is prohibitive to many, and access to goods will become more difficult (not impossible). BEIS predict delays at the border for 2-3 days in the immediate aftermath of no deal. The cost of goods will inevitably go up, the value of the pound will go down, and the only people that will benefit will be currency speculators that bet against the UK.

In the referendum debate any mention of going on to WTO was dismissed as scaremongering. Well here we are and now people are making the ludicrous assertion that this is where they wanted to be.

It is reasonable to want to leave the EU. I still cannot get my head around anyone who is dense enough to want to leave with no deal. It is awful for everyone, the UK, the EU, Wales and Ireland especially. Why does anyone want that? We have gone from being told of sunny uplands, to appealing to the mythical blitz spirit. We need to grow up, be patient, and work to get an exit deal that delivers the mandate.

During the referendum Philip Hammond said a WTO Brexit was the only honest Brexit.

I'm not sure why you're calling people dense for retaining the option of walking away from a negotiation. How can you seriously say that you will negotiate, but never walk away from a terrible deal. Isn't that dense?

But you're not walking away to return to the status quo as in most deals. By leaving you are giving yourself a worse negotiating position, damaging the economy, and any leverage we have at the moment is gone. What's the point if it can be avoided?

In my view the damage and disruption of no deal is massively over hyped by a remain media.
But that aside, All deals have a level of jeopardy. But unless you are willing to walk away from a bad deal the situation is farcical. If you suggest otherwise then we are so far apart in thinking. It's pointless even talking.

The reason we are leaving with No Deal is down to May and Co. If the EU weren’t so terrified of us leaving and rather than punish us as a deterrent to others, negotiated a deal that would benefit the U.K. and the remaining 27 we wouldn’t be in this position. People talk about tariffs but nobody ever mentions the ones the EU imposes on non EU countries, particularly third world countries, African agricultural products are subject to 300% tariffs.
The French guy running the Port of Calais said there’s absolutely no reason for delays. Most of it is project fear, like that piece of shite Adonis claiming the chaos at Gatwick, caused by drones, is what every U.K. airport will be like post Brexit.

The french guy doesn't get to choose EU law. The UK Government is preparing, for a no deal scenario but the simple fact of adding trade friction between us and the EU will lead to delays. We will be classed as a "third country" in EU law if we leave with No Deal, and will have to comply with the new checks at the border that will require. Unfortunately the french guy running the port of calais doesn't get to choose that, but he is (rightly) concerned about the competition that will be created through other trade channels becoming comparatively attractive as a result of Calais delays.

Surely the 'French Guy' was referring to a post BREXIT scenario where trade friction due to checks was already in place? It doesn't make sense that he was talking about the present arrangements because we all know the boarder is frictionless at the moment due to the customs union.

Also at present it is not the Governments intention to impose tariffs on EU goods coming into the UK post BREXIT. If the EU (which has a trade surplus with the UK) wishes to shoot itself in the foot and impose trade tariffs on UK goods which would result in tariffs on their goods and damage their economies far more than ours then that is their look out.

I dont want no deal

We will become a poor state
Of america, with massive injustice, intollerence and inequality.

What about your kids or grandkids, what a sorry mess you made.
Stopping polish but gates wider for pakis FFS.

Tories have took the great out of britain since the 1960s

Having said that,, the loony left have pissed on their chips and make
Me sick with their selective bigotry.

Boris and corbyn,, both cheeks of the same arse.

Cant believe were not on the streets to get both out!!!!

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If the remain MPs spent as much time seeking a Deal than they do fighting to destroy Brexit we would be leaving on 31oct oct in a better situation! Talk of clutching straws 1st its Corbyn being leader of the gang now its harman & Clarke wonder who's next to to try their luck? A disorganized rabble springs to mind who are desperate to overturn the vote that was democratic not like their we know what 17.5m people really wanted when they said no !

The reason we are leaving with No Deal is down to May and Co. If the EU weren’t so terrified of us leaving and rather than punish us as a deterrent to others, negotiated a deal that would benefit the U.K. and the remaining 27 we wouldn’t be in this position. People talk about tariffs but nobody ever mentions the ones the EU imposes on non EU countries, particularly third world countries, African agricultural products are subject to 300% tariffs.
The French guy running the Port of Calais said there’s absolutely no reason for delays. Most of it is project fear, like that piece of shite Adonis claiming the chaos at Gatwick, caused by drones, is what every U.K. airport will be like post Brexit.

The french guy doesn't get to choose EU law. The UK Government is preparing, for a no deal scenario but the simple fact of adding trade friction between us and the EU will lead to delays. We will be classed as a "third country" in EU law if we leave with No Deal, and will have to comply with the new checks at the border that will require. Unfortunately the french guy running the port of calais doesn't get to choose that, but he is (rightly) concerned about the competition that will be created through other trade channels becoming comparatively attractive as a result of Calais delays.

Surely the 'French Guy' was referring to a post BREXIT scenario where trade friction due to checks was already in place? It doesn't make sense that he was talking about the present arrangements because we all know the boarder is frictionless at the moment due to the customs union.

Also at present it is not the Governments intention to impose tariffs on EU goods coming into the UK post BREXIT. If the EU (which has a trade surplus with the UK) wishes to shoot itself in the foot and impose trade tariffs on UK goods which would result in tariffs on their goods and damage their economies far more than ours then that is their look out.

Brexit is not a one way street what effects us at Calais effects rest of EU ! Or are people suggesting we cant enter EU from UK but we will just say to EU lorries you go ahead we will wait until you've all got across? What economic impact Brexit as in uk deal or no deal will effect EU as badly because economies in many EU states are shot and would not withstand the financial hit no deal Brexit will cause to their exports.

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She didn't believe it fulfilled the mandate as would have required continued free movement of people. You could easily stock libraries across the land with criticisms of May, but I think it is a bit a stretch to say she didn't want to fulfil the 2016 mandate. She tabled her exit deal 3 times!

Theresa May probably wanted to honour the 2016 referendum result but she was haplessly out of her depth in negotiating with Michel Barnier, Sabine Weyand, Donald Tusk and Didier Seeuws. Especially as on her negotiation team sat Olly Robbins who was at the very least a cuckoo in the nest.

May was naive in believing compromise was the answer. That only works if BOTH sides compromise and there was little evidence that the EU did that. An obvious compromise was to negotiate a trade deal at the same time as the withdrawal agreement. That way the contrived nonsense about the Irish boarder could have been avoided.

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

May was offered a Norway plus deal but didn’t even consider it. All she and Hammond ever wanted was to remain in a non functioning EU.

She didn't believe it fulfilled the mandate as would have required continued free movement of people. You could easily stock libraries across the land with criticisms of May, but I think it is a bit a stretch to say she didn't want to fulfil the 2016 mandate. She tabled her exit deal 3 times!

A deal she knew wouldn't be passed because same reason it failed 1st time was still there the next two votes? And if you believe the news stories bercow refused a 4th vote because it would be passed as rebels were worried about of putting Corbyn in power with vote no confidence that was being planned ! And of course bercow is pro remain and unbiased?

If the remain MPs spent as much time seeking a Deal than they do fighting to destroy Brexit we would be leaving on 31oct oct in a better situation! Talk of clutching straws 1st its Corbyn being leader of the gang now its harman & Clarke wonder who's next to to try their luck? A disorganized rabble springs to mind who are desperate to overturn the vote that was democratic not like their we know what 17.5m people really wanted when they said no !

Spot on.
Remain MPs pushed Boris into number 10.
Their fanaticism is eating away at British democracy.
If Corbyn is installed as a leader. He will fight the next GE as the sitting Prime Minister...
We're turning into a banana republic.

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

May was offered a Norway plus deal but didn’t even consider it. All she and Hammond ever wanted was to remain in a non functioning EU.

She didn't believe it fulfilled the mandate as would have required continued free movement of people. You could easily stock libraries across the land with criticisms of May, but I think it is a bit a stretch to say she didn't want to fulfil the 2016 mandate. She tabled her exit deal 3 times!

A deal she knew wouldn't be passed because same reason it failed 1st time was still there the next two votes? And if you believe the news stories bercow refused a 4th vote because it would be passed as rebels were worried about of putting Corbyn in power with vote no confidence that was being planned ! And of course bercow is pro remain and unbiased?

The deal was by far the biggest government defeat in the house of commons and if the same problems were still there then surely it's better to just tell them to forget it and try to improve rather than just shove the same rubbish to be rejected another few times and waste everyone's time.