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Re: Tan too tight?

Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:53 pm

footiexmadx wrote:Look at Leeds and Fulham costa caveleiro knockaert arter on Loans anyone of them we should of been after to improve our squad but signing league 1 players ffs


A bit strange that you should compare us with Fulham. A team that spent a shed load of money over the last year or so, yet still finished below us despite our apparent lack of big name, big cost signings. If you ever wanted to argue that spending money does not guarantee success, you just proved the point.

Re: Tan too tight?

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:02 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
footiexmadx wrote:Look at Leeds and Fulham costa caveleiro knockaert arter on Loans anyone of them we should of been after to improve our squad but signing league 1 players ffs





A bit strange that you should compare us with Fulham. A team that spent a shed load of money over the last year or so, yet still finished below us despite our apparent lack of big name, big cost signings. If you ever wanted to argue that spending money does not guarantee success, you just proved the point.



Nice one Steve :thumbup:

Re: Tan too tight?

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:21 pm

This is daft, you look through this squad and Warnock has spent a lot of money on players. Enough to build a good squad.

Re: Tan to tight

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:26 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
troobloo3339 wrote:
Bluebird Warrior wrote:Either Tan is not giving him the funds or Warnock is not willing to spend big to bring in guaranteed championship quality even though Tan is willing to give him money to spend. You wouldn't think we'd just been relegated from the prem would you. We're now gambling on Joe Day to make the step up 2 divisions and hope Curtis Nelson and Gavin Whyte can be top championship players this season from league 1 last season.

Clever how you didnt mention flint or the german striker
Obvious agenda


Or that just 7 months ago Cardiff were in the process of making their most expensive signing ever.


Who they’ve denied signing ever since.

Re: Tan to tight

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:28 pm

troobloo3339 wrote:
cityone wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
footiexmadx wrote:Why ain’t we signing quality Proven players we made loads of money in sales and parachute payments we should be bringing in championship quality players why do we always look at the cheap options getting ridiculous now


The aim of parachute payments is to help offset the huge drop in income after being relegated from the PL, particularly as clubs are often left with players on long term contracts still on the equivalent of a PL salary. These payments were never designed to give relegated clubs an unfair advantage by having millions of extra pounds to spend on new players. As you say, the club may have made money in sales, but it's worth looking at the whole picture, and not just the last year or so. Check the audited accounts and see where our starting position was. Tan has covered some huge debts already, and income received from television rights in the Championship will be like loose change compared to the PL. Being in the PL for a season does not gurantee a club suddenly becomes rich, take a look at the audited accounts for our last little stint in the top flight.


In general what you"re saying is correct, but last season we only spent £26 million for an assult on the premier League, without doubt the reason we got relegated.

No it wasnt one win away
Chelsea home
And we spent 15 million for a player who sadly neverbplayed a game
So ee spent 41 million not 26
By the way how much spend guarantees staying up fulham spent over 100 million and finished below us
£££££££££means nothing


It was £26 million from August until January, going that long without a striker was the reason we went down.

Re: Tan to tight

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:35 pm

troobloo3339 wrote:
cityone wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
footiexmadx wrote:Why ain’t we signing quality Proven players we made loads of money in sales and parachute payments we should be bringing in championship quality players why do we always look at the cheap options getting ridiculous now


The aim of parachute payments is to help offset the huge drop in income after being relegated from the PL, particularly as clubs are often left with players on long term contracts still on the equivalent of a PL salary. These payments were never designed to give relegated clubs an unfair advantage by having millions of extra pounds to spend on new players. As you say, the club may have made money in sales, but it's worth looking at the whole picture, and not just the last year or so. Check the audited accounts and see where our starting position was. Tan has covered some huge debts already, and income received from television rights in the Championship will be like loose change compared to the PL. Being in the PL for a season does not gurantee a club suddenly becomes rich, take a look at the audited accounts for our last little stint in the top flight.


In general what you"re saying is correct, but last season we only spent £26 million for an assult on the premier League, without doubt the reason we got relegated.

No it wasnt one win away
Chelsea home
And we spent 15 million for a player who sadly neverbplayed a game
So ee spent 41 million not 26
By the way how much spend guarantees staying up fulham spent over 100 million and finished below us
£££££££££means nothing


Would suggest that money does mean something. It gives you a better chance of staying up. It’s a fact that out of the last 6 promoted teams who spent over 50m the only team to go straight back down were Fulham. They brought in 2many to gel as a team.

Re: Tan to tight

Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:32 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
montyblue wrote:STEVE ZODIAK

"neil" he has said that he is not spending silly money quite a few times over the last few seasons i think he should manage the team not the funds.


To be fair, he says a lot of things that need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I'm confident if the right player is available, and Warnock really wants him, Tan would make money available within reason. As I said above he made £15m available for a player a few months back, and Warnock was perfectly happy to spend that on a player unproven at PL level. None of us really know what is going on behind the scenes, we are all guessing to a certain extent.

We

Well said,we really have no clue :roll: it's all assumption, usually way off too. :thumbup: :old: :bluebird:

Re: Tan too tight?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:25 am

Warnock has said, the players he wants are too pricey, with the funds that Tan have given him. Same old story, Tan and the club lacking ambition to take Cardiff to the next level. It’s a load of bollocks !

Re: Tan too tight?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:33 am

Clubfortyfourer wrote:Warnock has said, the players he wants are too pricey, with the funds that Tan have given him. Same old story, Tan and the club lacking ambition to take Cardiff to the next level. It’s a load of bollocks !


They have given him £15mill to spend in the championship, 90% of managers in this league would snap your hand off for that kind of money . It was up to Warnock how to spend it not Tan and he chose to fill out his squad rather than high quality first team starters

I dont see how the owners can be blamed at all for this window

Re: Tan too tight?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:40 pm

thomasblue wrote:
Clubfortyfourer wrote:Warnock has said, the players he wants are too pricey, with the funds that Tan have given him. Same old story, Tan and the club lacking ambition to take Cardiff to the next level. It’s a load of bollocks !


They have given him £15mill to spend in the championship, 90% of managers in this league would snap your hand off for that kind of money . It was up to Warnock how to spend it not Tan and he chose to fill out his squad rather than high quality first team starters

I dont see how the owners can be blamed at all for this window


Would be interested to know where the 15m figure came from. To date we have spent very little. Taking into account the sales of Zohore & Manga we haven’t spent a lot on our new faces. A lot of loan players have gone off the books so I assume that unless there are major signings today/tomorrow the parachute payment will go to clear some of the debt.

Re: Tan too tight?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:31 pm

bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
Clubfortyfourer wrote:Warnock has said, the players he wants are too pricey, with the funds that Tan have given him. Same old story, Tan and the club lacking ambition to take Cardiff to the next level. It’s a load of bollocks !


They have given him £15mill to spend in the championship, 90% of managers in this league would snap your hand off for that kind of money . It was up to Warnock how to spend it not Tan and he chose to fill out his squad rather than high quality first team starters

I dont see how the owners can be blamed at all for this window


Would be interested to know where the 15m figure came from. To date we have spent very little. Taking into account the sales of Zohore & Manga we haven’t spent a lot on our new faces. A lot of loan players have gone off the books so I assume that unless there are major signings today/tomorrow the parachute payment will go to clear some of the debt.



Yes it will pay some debt it is to stabilise clubs relegated not used to buy expensive players, 15m is an imaginary figure as who knows what it involves wages fees ect besides NW admitted he didn't spend all he was given either :thumbup:

Re: Tan too tight?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:05 pm

"By the way how much spend guarantees staying up fulham spent over 100 million and finished below us. £££££££££means nothing."

Lack of investment tends to poverty. Not spending or spending little virtually guarentees failure.

Spending a realistic amount in transfer fees (say £75m like Huddersfield did when they went up) will give you a bit of a chance of staying up.

Fulham had a poor defence, even by Champ standards. They spent £100m but did not address that problem and their porous defence never had a chance in the PL.

StT.
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Re: Tan too tight?

Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:36 am

Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:"By the way how much spend guarantees staying up fulham spent over 100 million and finished below us. £££££££££means nothing."

Lack of investment tends to poverty. Not spending or spending little virtually guarentees failure.

Spending a realistic amount in transfer fees (say £75m like Huddersfield did when they went up) will give you a bit of a chance of staying up.

Fulham had a poor defence, even by Champ standards. They spent £100m but did not address that problem and their porous defence never had a chance in the PL.

StT.
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And about to lose sessighnon that wont help them either. :old:

Re: Tan too tight?

Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:35 am

pembroke allan wrote:
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
Clubfortyfourer wrote:Warnock has said, the players he wants are too pricey, with the funds that Tan have given him. Same old story, Tan and the club lacking ambition to take Cardiff to the next level. It’s a load of bollocks !


They have given him £15mill to spend in the championship, 90% of managers in this league would snap your hand off for that kind of money . It was up to Warnock how to spend it not Tan and he chose to fill out his squad rather than high quality first team starters

I dont see how the owners can be blamed at all for this window


Would be interested to know where the 15m figure came from. To date we have spent very little. Taking into account the sales of Zohore & Manga we haven’t spent a lot on our new faces. A lot of loan players have gone off the books so I assume that unless there are major signings today/tomorrow the parachute payment will go to clear some of the debt.



Yes it will pay some debt it is to stabilise clubs relegated not used to buy expensive players, 15m is an imaginary figure as who knows what it involves wages fees ect besides NW admitted he didn't spend all he was given either :thumbup:


Well it is not really imaginary is it ?

Most fees this summer have leaked out and wont be far off the truth

Flint £5mill
Glatzel £5mill
Vaulks £3mill
Whyte £2mill
Day £500k

Those fees will be roughly accurate , whether they are paid in full or spread over a period of time he has still spent about £15mill.
Yes I am aware of player sales which probably puts our net spend at around £4mill but that's irrelevant. Money spent is the question.

Re: Tan too tight?

Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:02 am

thomasblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
Clubfortyfourer wrote:Warnock has said, the players he wants are too pricey, with the funds that Tan have given him. Same old story, Tan and the club lacking ambition to take Cardiff to the next level. It’s a load of bollocks !


They have given him £15mill to spend in the championship, 90% of managers in this league would snap your hand off for that kind of money . It was up to Warnock how to spend it not Tan and he chose to fill out his squad rather than high quality first team starters

I dont see how the owners can be blamed at all for this window


Would be interested to know where the 15m figure came from. To date we have spent very little. Taking into account the sales of Zohore & Manga we haven’t spent a lot on our new faces. A lot of loan players have gone off the books so I assume that unless there are major signings today/tomorrow the parachute payment will go to clear some of the debt.



Yes it will pay some debt it is to stabilise clubs relegated not used to buy expensive players, 15m is an imaginary figure as who knows what it involves wages fees ect besides NW admitted he didn't spend all he was given either :thumbup:


Well it is not really imaginary is it ?

Most fees this summer have leaked out and wont be far off the truth

Flint £5mill
Glatzel £5mill
Vaulks £3mill
Whyte £2mill
Day £500k

Those fees will be roughly accurate , whether they are paid in full or spread over a period of time he has still spent about £15mill.
Yes I am aware of player sales which probably puts our net spend at around £4mill but that's irrelevant. Money spent is the question.



Still only an estimated amount and rgars just the fees got to take in wages as 5m fee plus 2m wages .makes big difference because its all part of the total amount. . Anyway whatever the amount it is its not enough to get the better quality we may need? Nw is doing what he does and experiments with players when doesnt work he doesn't play them or sells them normally at a lost...