I think we can lower our expectations after that.

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

They didnt work anything out 1st was from free kick 2nd was poor defending from Morrison and 3rd a great shot after long ball over top! What they worked out was easy to bypass midfield by going long as our defenders were isolated.

They strolled through midfield time and time again, yes Fulham lost, I am not advocating them, but if they sort defence out, and if they don’t, they will out score teams. To write them off and believe we are better is blinkered. Our squad is nowhere near as good as we (some of you) think.

We are a mediocre side, same as last time, we punched well above our weight, we all said it. We have lost big players and not replaced them. Big us up with Phildavies all you want, we are not defensively solid are we? We are not great our wide are we? And we don’t know how much our new striker can chase a football yet do we?

Just being realistic

We are better hence why we finished above them the last two seasons despite the media hype, arrogance of their fans and delusions of many on here

I hope you are right. I just don’t see it, we have lost players we haven’t replaced yet. As stated time will tell now. I still think we are capable of top 6, I wouldn’t discount Fulham, our only big disagreement is Paterson. I think he dire, you think he going to score lots of goals. So let’s wait and see now. If the news of 3 medical s is true, let’s hope we got 2 very good central midfielders coming in.

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

They didnt work anything out 1st was from free kick 2nd was poor defending from Morrison and 3rd a great shot after long ball over top! What they worked out was easy to bypass midfield by going long as our defenders were isolated.

They strolled through midfield time and time again, yes Fulham lost, I am not advocating them, but if they sort defence out, and if they don’t, they will out score teams. To write them off and believe we are better is blinkered. Our squad is nowhere near as good as we (some of you) think.

We are a mediocre side, same as last time, we punched well above our weight, we all said it. We have lost big players and not replaced them. Big us up with Phildavies all you want, we are not defensively solid are we? We are not great our wide are we? And we don’t know how much our new striker can chase a football yet do we?

Just being realistic

We are better hence why we finished above them the last two seasons despite the media hype, arrogance of their fans and delusions of many on here

I hope you are right. I just don’t see it, we have lost players we haven’t replaced yet. As stated time will tell now. I still think we are capable of top 6, I wouldn’t discount Fulham, our only big disagreement is Paterson. I think he dire, you think he going to score lots of goals. So let’s wait and see now. If the news of 3 medical s is true, let’s hope we got 2 very good central midfielders coming in.

I agree with that if the 3 signings turn out to be true then hopefully 2 CM's and a quality RB

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

They didnt work anything out 1st was from free kick 2nd was poor defending from Morrison and 3rd a great shot after long ball over top! What they worked out was easy to bypass midfield by going long as our defenders were isolated.

They strolled through midfield time and time again, yes Fulham lost, I am not advocating them, but if they sort defence out, and if they don’t, they will out score teams. To write them off and believe we are better is blinkered. Our squad is nowhere near as good as we (some of you) think.

We are a mediocre side, same as last time, we punched well above our weight, we all said it. We have lost big players and not replaced them. Big us up with Phildavies all you want, we are not defensively solid are we? We are not great our wide are we? And we don’t know how much our new striker can chase a football yet do we?

Just being realistic

Think you need to look at match stats you'd be surprised at what they tell you? Strolling through our defence means SFA because we were equal to them in every way and like said it wasn't reason for 3 goals... we are not mediocre well not according to every expert on football? but hey oh our fans are best experts at rubbishing out team that's for sure! As for Fulham they've known their defence is pathetic but still haven't remedied it bit like NW not sorting out our difiiciancies so far plus probably to lose sessighnon before thurs.