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Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:53 pm

So we're sinn fein
and a lot of the southern irish

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:30 pm

Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:05 pm

Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:36 pm

Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:




Time will tell if hes good to his word as far as parliament & MPs will let him of course? :old:

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:37 pm

welshrarebit wrote:
Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.


Corbyn is definitely labour, things like nationalised investment banking, support of trade unions, looking to nationalise rail, electric etc etc.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:39 pm

Oh he's certainly shades of labour. But he is far further left with his true beliefs. He's at heart a communist. And that's find. He's never hidden that imho.. butt point is the average labour voter is NOT that far left.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:54 pm

welshrarebit wrote:Oh he's certainly shades of labour. But he is far further left with his true beliefs. He's at heart a communist. And that's find. He's never hidden that imho.. butt point is the average labour voter is NOT that far left.


Agree in some sense but I don't think most of the ideas he's putting forward are actually that far left, like the ones mentioned above. He just seems to have that stereotype at this point.

If we had a privatised health service and Corbyn suggested everyone in the UK paying national insurance so we can establish a nationalised health service, people would think it was some whacky communist idea because it's Corbyn suggesting it. As it is though the NHS is something even some tories want to protect.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:11 pm

Wow...a genuine debate without name calling and point scoring.
Thank you. Faith restored.
:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:19 pm

Jes wrote:Wow...a genuine debate without name calling and point scoring.
Thank you. Faith restored.
:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


:laughing6: :laughing6:

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:01 am

I feel very excited for the first time in a long time about the future of our country ..
For every odd stupid gaff that Boris makes he does come up with nine or 10 bold and exciting ideas.
When he was mayor of London he reduced crime by 20% but to those who hate tories or public school boys they will regardBoris as the epitome of the worst type of Tory so what they will do is cherry pick the statistics to suit their narrative of Boris
I won’t persuade them to change their mind as they are deeply entrenched in their views but let’s wait and see because
Actions speak louder than words and I genuinely believe we have a PM who will deliver many great things for this country .
I share his. Wonderful optimism and it’s a breath of fresh air to all rhe doomsayers and gloomsters who continually talk this country down ...

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:49 am

Birminghamnewby27 wrote:I feel very excited for the first time in a long time about the future of our country ..
For every odd stupid gaff that Boris makes he does come up with nine or 10 bold and exciting ideas.
When he was mayor of London he reduced crime by 20% but to those who hate tories or public school boys they will regardBoris as the epitome of the worst type of Tory so what they will do is cherry pick the statistics to suit their narrative of Boris
I won’t persuade them to change their mind as they are deeply entrenched in their views but let’s wait and see because
Actions speak louder than words and I genuinely believe we have a PM who will deliver many great things for this country .
I share his. Wonderful optimism and it’s a breath of fresh air to all rhe doomsayers and gloomsters who continually talk this country down ...


It'll be a surprise if your still posting as Birminghamnewby27 by the time Boris is successful or otherwise over brexit.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:25 am

CityBlue93 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.


Corbyn is definitely labour, things like nationalised investment banking, support of trade unions, looking to nationalise rail, electric etc etc.

He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:04 am

Jock wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.


Corbyn is definitely labour, things like nationalised investment banking, support of trade unions, looking to nationalise rail, electric etc etc.

He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


Unlike Boris of course who's conviction came down to the toss of a coin. :lol: A PM who wasn't elected to the job and yet castigated Gordon Brown for the same thing.A man who's only tactic seems to be to shout a bit louder in that typical english way that so infuriates the rest of the world.I'm hoping the english are going to be taught how to respect other nations views-a lesson thats 400yrs overdue.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:08 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
Jock wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.


Corbyn is definitely labour, things like nationalised investment banking, support of trade unions, looking to nationalise rail, electric etc etc.

He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


Unlike Boris of course who's conviction came down to the toss of a coin. :lol: A PM who wasn't elected to the job and yet castigated Gordon Brown for the same thing.A man who's only tactic seems to be to shout a bit louder in that typical english way that so infuriates the rest of the world.I'm hoping the english are going to be taught how to respect other nations views-a lesson thats 400yrs overdue.



and yet, two days in the job and hes already given the go ahead to two major projects. Getting stuff done already and has been nothing but positive about our country.

Of course, some people will just dislike him or disagree with him because of who he is, over what he actually does. :sleepy2:

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:37 am

paulh_85 wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
Jock wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.


Corbyn is definitely labour, things like nationalised investment banking, support of trade unions, looking to nationalise rail, electric etc etc.

He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


Unlike Boris of course who's conviction came down to the toss of a coin. :lol: A PM who wasn't elected to the job and yet castigated Gordon Brown for the same thing.A man who's only tactic seems to be to shout a bit louder in that typical english way that so infuriates the rest of the world.I'm hoping the english are going to be taught how to respect other nations views-a lesson thats 400yrs overdue.



and yet, two days in the job and hes already given the go ahead to two major projects. Getting stuff done already and has been nothing but positive about our country.

Of course, some people will just dislike him or disagree with him because of who he is, over what he actually does. :sleepy2:


And yet he'll be judged on what he actually gets done.Rubber stamping decisions already in the pipeline counts for nothing except to those easily led.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:48 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
Jock wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.


Corbyn is definitely labour, things like nationalised investment banking, support of trade unions, looking to nationalise rail, electric etc etc.

He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


Unlike Boris of course who's conviction came down to the toss of a coin. :lol: A PM who wasn't elected to the job and yet castigated Gordon Brown for the same thing.A man who's only tactic seems to be to shout a bit louder in that typical english way that so infuriates the rest of the world.I'm hoping the english are going to be taught how to respect other nations views-a lesson thats 400yrs overdue.



and yet, two days in the job and hes already given the go ahead to two major projects. Getting stuff done already and has been nothing but positive about our country.

Of course, some people will just dislike him or disagree with him because of who he is, over what he actually does. :sleepy2:


And yet he'll be judged on what he actually gets done.Rubber stamping decisions already in the pipeline counts for nothing except to those easily led.


Nothing he does will count for anything to those who are partisan

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:53 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
Jock wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.


Corbyn is definitely labour, things like nationalised investment banking, support of trade unions, looking to nationalise rail, electric etc etc.

He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


Unlike Boris of course who's conviction came down to the toss of a coin. :lol: A PM who wasn't elected to the job and yet castigated Gordon Brown for the same thing.A man who's only tactic seems to be to shout a bit louder in that typical english way that so infuriates the rest of the world.I'm hoping the english are going to be taught how to respect other nations views-a lesson thats 400yrs overdue.

Ok Sneggy ..Tell me one good thing that Boris Johnson did as Mayor of London ?

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:39 am

Jock wrote:He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


When did Corbyn promise to 'smash the EU' if he gets elected? Any link or source?

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:51 am

Incoming PM Johnson's record as London mayor

Boris Johnson has referred to his record as Mayor of London as a pointer to what he could achieve when he replaces Theresa May as Conservative Party leader and British prime minister.
He says during his eight years in charge of the British capital he cut crime, exceeded house-building targets(after changing the definition of affordable housing) and was at the centre of the London 2012 Olympics.

Critics say his time as mayor reflected his political failings - pushing through costly, self-serving projects, which included the world’s most expensive cable car and footbridge.

As mayor from 2008 to 2016, Johnson had responsibility for issues such as policing, transport and housing.

In a BBC radio interview in June, Johnson said of his London achievements: “We built more affordable homes than under Labour. When you talk about the Tube we increased capacity on the Tube by about 30%. The biggest investment in infrastructure that I think the city has seen.

“I pledged to reduce crime. We reduced crime by about 20%. We reduced the murder rate which is a statistic that is very difficult to fudge, we reduced it by 50%.”

“When I began we had four of the six poorest boroughs in London in the UK... When I ended in London, there were none of the poorest 20 boroughs in the whole of the UK.”(As Tory austerity policy decimated the rest of the country far worse than London.)

CRIME
The mayor’s office took over responsibility for oversight of the Metropolitan Police in 2012, with operational decisions remaining the remit of the London Commissioner.

Crime and the number of murders fell dramatically during Johnson’s tenure, a trend echoed across the country. Crime in London and nationally had begun to rise by the end of his mayoralty.

In London, the homicide rate - murder, manslaughter and infanticide - fell 50% from 163 in 2007/8 to 109 in 2015/16. The number of homicides in England and Wales fell from 763 in 2007/8 to 534 in 2014/15 but rose to 571 in 2015/16, an overall fall of about 34%.

HOUSING
Johnson said more than 100,000 affordable homes were built during his time as mayor. According to figures from the Greater London Authority, 94,001 affordable homes were built between April 2008 and March 2016.

He is correct in saying more affordable homes were built during his two terms than during the time of his Labour Party predecessor, however critics point out that the definition of affordable housing was broadened in 2011 making it hard to compare the figures. Housing campaigners have questioned whether the homes were really affordable to those on low incomes.

TRANSPORT
LONDON UNDERGROUND: Under Johnson, use of the London Underground increased to record levels with upgrades to many of the lines and more frequent services. It now carries 1.35 billion passengers a year, up from 970 million in 2001.

However Johnson’s push for a night service faced opposition from unions. It finally came into operation after he left office, a year later than planned.

In his 2008 manifesto, Johnson promised to halt ticket office closures and ensure every station had a staffed office. In 2013, it was announced all ticket offices would be closed.

BUSES: In 2008, Johnson promised to bring back Routemaster buses - the distinctive, snub-nosed, open-backed double-deckers which allowed passengers to jump on and off and were popular with tourists. He scrapped long, so-called bendy buses, which he said were unsuitable for London and aided fare evasion.

Designing and building the new environmentally-friendly bus cost 11 million pounds. There were many complaints that the new Routemasters were unbearably hot. Later batches were altered to provide windows and the open rear platform began to disappear as it required a second crew member.

Opponents said the cost of the fleet of Johnson’s buses was millions more than a conventional double-decker bus.

The publicly-funded Transport for London (TfL) eventually ordered 1,000 to secure the procurement rights to the design which it said had allowed the last 200 to be purchased for 319,000 pounds each, still more than a standard hybrid.

Opponents said under Johnson, bus fares rose 47%.

CABLE CAR: In 2012, Johnson opened Britain’s first urban cable car which transports passengers from north Greenwich, close to the O2 arena, across the River Thames to the Royal Victoria Dock.

Johnson said the cost, 60 million pounds, would be privately funded. Emirates airline paid 36 million pounds for a 10-year sponsorship deal. It also received 8 million pounds of funding from the European Union.

However, about 15 million pounds was funded by TfL. The operator says its annual costs are 5.9 million pounds and revenue figures indicate this is covered by fares.

Passenger numbers have declined slightly since 2012 with 1.3 million people using it in the year up to June 2019.

New London Mayor Sadiq Khan said he might close the project.

BORIS BIKES: Johnson, a keen cyclist, put cycling at the heart of his transport policy after winning the 2008 election, building designated cycle superhighways.

A fleet of 6,000 bicycles for hire launched in July 2010 with 400 bicycle “docking stations” and Johnson promised it would come at no cost to the taxpayer.

The scheme, originally mooted by Johnson’s Labour predecessor, has proved a success and is popular. Critics say it is mainly used by rich, middle-aged men.

In 2015, TfL announced that Santander would replace Barclays bank as sponsor for the next seven years, providing 44 million pounds. Figures released by TfL show it had spent more than 60 million pounds on operating the scheme since 2010, while a freedom of information request last year showed total net expenditure was almost 200 million pounds.

RIVER THAMES GARDEN BRIDGE
The idea for a pedestrian bridge with trees and flowers spanning the River Thames was mooted in 1998. It gained momentum in 2012 and Johnson backed it in 2013 and promised TfL would support it while then finance minister George Osborne also said he would back what would have been the world’s most expensive footbridge.

Costs rose from an early estimate of 60 million pounds to more than 200 million pounds. The scheme was ditched in 2017 after an independent review concluded escalating costs meant it made more sense to end the project. The failed scheme cost 53 million pounds according to a TfL inquiry with 43 million pounds coming from the taxpayer.

OLYMPICS
Johnson helped oversee the hugely successful 2012 London Olympic Games, but was criticised for the legacy of the Olympic stadium where Premier League soccer side West Ham United now play their games, although it can still be used for athletics.

A 2017 independent review showed the transformation costs after the Olympics rose to 323 million pounds from a budget estimate of 190 million pounds.

West Ham pay rent of 2.5 million pounds per season but the review projected annual losses of about 20 million pounds.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:02 am

CityBlue93 wrote:
Jock wrote:He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


When did Corbyn promise to 'smash the EU' if he gets elected? Any link or source?



I think that's a very old quote. Way before he was leader and people change their minds based on events. Don't forget labour were at one time pretty anti Europe and Euroscepticism in the tory party only really took hold as a consequence of the ERM debacle in 92.

There's is no end to this mess now. Almost everyone is forming every opinion on any topic according to their Brexit stance - one way or another. Opinions on Boris - brexit divide. Opinions on Sadiq Khan - brexit divide. Opinions on Trump - brexit divide ish, Iran seizing a British tanker in the gulf - brexit divide, Britain seizing a iranian taker in the med - brexit divide.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:12 am

The scheme, originally mooted by Johnson’s Labour predecessor, has proved a success and is popular. Critics say it is mainly used by rich, middle-aged men.




This just proves that everything has a critic :roll:

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:14 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:Incoming PM Johnson's record as London mayor

Boris Johnson has referred to his record as Mayor of London as a pointer to what he could achieve when he replaces Theresa May as Conservative Party leader and British prime minister.
He says during his eight years in charge of the British capital he cut crime, exceeded house-building targets(after changing the definition of affordable housing) and was at the centre of the London 2012 Olympics.

Critics say his time as mayor reflected his political failings - pushing through costly, self-serving projects, which included the world’s most expensive cable car and footbridge.

As mayor from 2008 to 2016, Johnson had responsibility for issues such as policing, transport and housing.

In a BBC radio interview in June, Johnson said of his London achievements: “We built more affordable homes than under Labour. When you talk about the Tube we increased capacity on the Tube by about 30%. The biggest investment in infrastructure that I think the city has seen.

“I pledged to reduce crime. We reduced crime by about 20%. We reduced the murder rate which is a statistic that is very difficult to fudge, we reduced it by 50%.”

“When I began we had four of the six poorest boroughs in London in the UK... When I ended in London, there were none of the poorest 20 boroughs in the whole of the UK.”(As Tory austerity policy decimated the rest of the country far worse than London.)

CRIME
The mayor’s office took over responsibility for oversight of the Metropolitan Police in 2012, with operational decisions remaining the remit of the London Commissioner.

Crime and the number of murders fell dramatically during Johnson’s tenure, a trend echoed across the country. Crime in London and nationally had begun to rise by the end of his mayoralty.

In London, the homicide rate - murder, manslaughter and infanticide - fell 50% from 163 in 2007/8 to 109 in 2015/16. The number of homicides in England and Wales fell from 763 in 2007/8 to 534 in 2014/15 but rose to 571 in 2015/16, an overall fall of about 34%.

HOUSING
Johnson said more than 100,000 affordable homes were built during his time as mayor. According to figures from the Greater London Authority, 94,001 affordable homes were built between April 2008 and March 2016.

He is correct in saying more affordable homes were built during his two terms than during the time of his Labour Party predecessor, however critics point out that the definition of affordable housing was broadened in 2011 making it hard to compare the figures. Housing campaigners have questioned whether the homes were really affordable to those on low incomes.

TRANSPORT
LONDON UNDERGROUND: Under Johnson, use of the London Underground increased to record levels with upgrades to many of the lines and more frequent services. It now carries 1.35 billion passengers a year, up from 970 million in 2001.

However Johnson’s push for a night service faced opposition from unions. It finally came into operation after he left office, a year later than planned.

In his 2008 manifesto, Johnson promised to halt ticket office closures and ensure every station had a staffed office. In 2013, it was announced all ticket offices would be closed.

BUSES: In 2008, Johnson promised to bring back Routemaster buses - the distinctive, snub-nosed, open-backed double-deckers which allowed passengers to jump on and off and were popular with tourists. He scrapped long, so-called bendy buses, which he said were unsuitable for London and aided fare evasion.

Designing and building the new environmentally-friendly bus cost 11 million pounds. There were many complaints that the new Routemasters were unbearably hot. Later batches were altered to provide windows and the open rear platform began to disappear as it required a second crew member.

Opponents said the cost of the fleet of Johnson’s buses was millions more than a conventional double-decker bus.

The publicly-funded Transport for London (TfL) eventually ordered 1,000 to secure the procurement rights to the design which it said had allowed the last 200 to be purchased for 319,000 pounds each, still more than a standard hybrid.

Opponents said under Johnson, bus fares rose 47%.

CABLE CAR: In 2012, Johnson opened Britain’s first urban cable car which transports passengers from north Greenwich, close to the O2 arena, across the River Thames to the Royal Victoria Dock.

Johnson said the cost, 60 million pounds, would be privately funded. Emirates airline paid 36 million pounds for a 10-year sponsorship deal. It also received 8 million pounds of funding from the European Union.

However, about 15 million pounds was funded by TfL. The operator says its annual costs are 5.9 million pounds and revenue figures indicate this is covered by fares.

Passenger numbers have declined slightly since 2012 with 1.3 million people using it in the year up to June 2019.

New London Mayor Sadiq Khan said he might close the project.

BORIS BIKES: Johnson, a keen cyclist, put cycling at the heart of his transport policy after winning the 2008 election, building designated cycle superhighways.

A fleet of 6,000 bicycles for hire launched in July 2010 with 400 bicycle “docking stations” and Johnson promised it would come at no cost to the taxpayer.

The scheme, originally mooted by Johnson’s Labour predecessor, has proved a success and is popular. Critics say it is mainly used by rich, middle-aged men.

In 2015, TfL announced that Santander would replace Barclays bank as sponsor for the next seven years, providing 44 million pounds. Figures released by TfL show it had spent more than 60 million pounds on operating the scheme since 2010, while a freedom of information request last year showed total net expenditure was almost 200 million pounds.

RIVER THAMES GARDEN BRIDGE
The idea for a pedestrian bridge with trees and flowers spanning the River Thames was mooted in 1998. It gained momentum in 2012 and Johnson backed it in 2013 and promised TfL would support it while then finance minister George Osborne also said he would back what would have been the world’s most expensive footbridge.

Costs rose from an early estimate of 60 million pounds to more than 200 million pounds. The scheme was ditched in 2017 after an independent review concluded escalating costs meant it made more sense to end the project. The failed scheme cost 53 million pounds according to a TfL inquiry with 43 million pounds coming from the taxpayer.

OLYMPICS
Johnson helped oversee the hugely successful 2012 London Olympic Games, but was criticised for the legacy of the Olympic stadium where Premier League soccer side West Ham United now play their games, although it can still be used for athletics.

A 2017 independent review showed the transformation costs after the Olympics rose to 323 million pounds from a budget estimate of 190 million pounds.

West Ham pay rent of 2.5 million pounds per season but the review projected annual losses of about 20 million pounds.


So sneggy you have proved my point in that you can’t find anything positive to say about Boris because to you all tories are twats and he is the king of twats . You will cherry pick or Copy and paste any statistics to suit your own narrative .The fact you can’t say anything positive is extreme but then you are extreme and nothing I say will change your mind or what anyone else says who has an alternative viewpoint ... We will just keep going backwards and forwards so the only way to deal with this is just to say let’s see what happens eh ...

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:22 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
Jock wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Jes wrote:Boris is in his element in the theatre there.
Ive been Labour all my life but in recent years ive noticed that labour are not the party of our fathers and fore fathers.
When Corbyn came onto the scene all those years ago i was very excited but it did not take me long to realize that his views could not be further from mine.
I'm hopeful that Boris will do half of the things hes said he will do.
At least he believes in democracy....thats a great starting point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The sad thing for labour is they were initially hijacked by elitists in the form of Blair and his cohort who are probably by rights liberals. But they were determined to win not build so took over an already large dominant party. Then Corbyn has come in who is an unashamed Marxist who believes socialist policies have never been done right but he would do it right. Honest.

Neither are actually labour so it is to me a bit of a con to true labour voters.
May did a con job on conservative voters too when you look at her policies. Not taking brexit. I mean in general. Another elitist liberal. 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe in time we can get to parties being true to their core values and give voters a realistic choice.


Corbyn is definitely labour, things like nationalised investment banking, support of trade unions, looking to nationalise rail, electric etc etc.

He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


Unlike Boris of course who's conviction came down to the toss of a coin. :lol: A PM who wasn't elected to the job and yet castigated Gordon Brown for the same thing.A man who's only tactic seems to be to shout a bit louder in that typical english way that so infuriates the rest of the world.I'm hoping the english are going to be taught how to respect other nations views-a lesson thats 400yrs overdue.

Don’t confuse hatred of Corbyn for love of Boris, Boris is the best option currently available, which shows the pisspoor state of politics in the U.K.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:30 pm

CityBlue93 wrote:
Jock wrote:He is a Marxist prick hoping to use the politics of envy to get elected. For decades Labour was anti EU, Corbyn promised to smash the EU if he gets elected. Now the duplicitous scumbag wants a second referendum and his party are pro remain. They have no principles and would sell their Granny for power.


When did Corbyn promise to 'smash the EU' if he gets elected? Any link or source?

It was on Guido Fawkes. 2010 ata rally, stood on a stage with banners of Lenin and Marx. He said if elected they will smash capitalism smash globalism and smashthe EU. For decades Labour, especially those on the left of the party, hated the whole ethos of the EU.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Birminghamnewby27 wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:Incoming PM Johnson's record as London mayor

Boris Johnson has referred to his record as Mayor of London as a pointer to what he could achieve when he replaces Theresa May as Conservative Party leader and British prime minister.
He says during his eight years in charge of the British capital he cut crime, exceeded house-building targets(after changing the definition of affordable housing) and was at the centre of the London 2012 Olympics.

Critics say his time as mayor reflected his political failings - pushing through costly, self-serving projects, which included the world’s most expensive cable car and footbridge.

As mayor from 2008 to 2016, Johnson had responsibility for issues such as policing, transport and housing.

In a BBC radio interview in June, Johnson said of his London achievements: “We built more affordable homes than under Labour. When you talk about the Tube we increased capacity on the Tube by about 30%. The biggest investment in infrastructure that I think the city has seen.

“I pledged to reduce crime. We reduced crime by about 20%. We reduced the murder rate which is a statistic that is very difficult to fudge, we reduced it by 50%.”

“When I began we had four of the six poorest boroughs in London in the UK... When I ended in London, there were none of the poorest 20 boroughs in the whole of the UK.”(As Tory austerity policy decimated the rest of the country far worse than London.)

CRIME
The mayor’s office took over responsibility for oversight of the Metropolitan Police in 2012, with operational decisions remaining the remit of the London Commissioner.

Crime and the number of murders fell dramatically during Johnson’s tenure, a trend echoed across the country. Crime in London and nationally had begun to rise by the end of his mayoralty.

In London, the homicide rate - murder, manslaughter and infanticide - fell 50% from 163 in 2007/8 to 109 in 2015/16. The number of homicides in England and Wales fell from 763 in 2007/8 to 534 in 2014/15 but rose to 571 in 2015/16, an overall fall of about 34%.

HOUSING
Johnson said more than 100,000 affordable homes were built during his time as mayor. According to figures from the Greater London Authority, 94,001 affordable homes were built between April 2008 and March 2016.

He is correct in saying more affordable homes were built during his two terms than during the time of his Labour Party predecessor, however critics point out that the definition of affordable housing was broadened in 2011 making it hard to compare the figures. Housing campaigners have questioned whether the homes were really affordable to those on low incomes.

TRANSPORT
LONDON UNDERGROUND: Under Johnson, use of the London Underground increased to record levels with upgrades to many of the lines and more frequent services. It now carries 1.35 billion passengers a year, up from 970 million in 2001.

However Johnson’s push for a night service faced opposition from unions. It finally came into operation after he left office, a year later than planned.

In his 2008 manifesto, Johnson promised to halt ticket office closures and ensure every station had a staffed office. In 2013, it was announced all ticket offices would be closed.

BUSES: In 2008, Johnson promised to bring back Routemaster buses - the distinctive, snub-nosed, open-backed double-deckers which allowed passengers to jump on and off and were popular with tourists. He scrapped long, so-called bendy buses, which he said were unsuitable for London and aided fare evasion.

Designing and building the new environmentally-friendly bus cost 11 million pounds. There were many complaints that the new Routemasters were unbearably hot. Later batches were altered to provide windows and the open rear platform began to disappear as it required a second crew member.

Opponents said the cost of the fleet of Johnson’s buses was millions more than a conventional double-decker bus.

The publicly-funded Transport for London (TfL) eventually ordered 1,000 to secure the procurement rights to the design which it said had allowed the last 200 to be purchased for 319,000 pounds each, still more than a standard hybrid.

Opponents said under Johnson, bus fares rose 47%.

CABLE CAR: In 2012, Johnson opened Britain’s first urban cable car which transports passengers from north Greenwich, close to the O2 arena, across the River Thames to the Royal Victoria Dock.

Johnson said the cost, 60 million pounds, would be privately funded. Emirates airline paid 36 million pounds for a 10-year sponsorship deal. It also received 8 million pounds of funding from the European Union.

However, about 15 million pounds was funded by TfL. The operator says its annual costs are 5.9 million pounds and revenue figures indicate this is covered by fares.

Passenger numbers have declined slightly since 2012 with 1.3 million people using it in the year up to June 2019.

New London Mayor Sadiq Khan said he might close the project.

BORIS BIKES: Johnson, a keen cyclist, put cycling at the heart of his transport policy after winning the 2008 election, building designated cycle superhighways.

A fleet of 6,000 bicycles for hire launched in July 2010 with 400 bicycle “docking stations” and Johnson promised it would come at no cost to the taxpayer.

The scheme, originally mooted by Johnson’s Labour predecessor, has proved a success and is popular. Critics say it is mainly used by rich, middle-aged men.

In 2015, TfL announced that Santander would replace Barclays bank as sponsor for the next seven years, providing 44 million pounds. Figures released by TfL show it had spent more than 60 million pounds on operating the scheme since 2010, while a freedom of information request last year showed total net expenditure was almost 200 million pounds.

RIVER THAMES GARDEN BRIDGE
The idea for a pedestrian bridge with trees and flowers spanning the River Thames was mooted in 1998. It gained momentum in 2012 and Johnson backed it in 2013 and promised TfL would support it while then finance minister George Osborne also said he would back what would have been the world’s most expensive footbridge.

Costs rose from an early estimate of 60 million pounds to more than 200 million pounds. The scheme was ditched in 2017 after an independent review concluded escalating costs meant it made more sense to end the project. The failed scheme cost 53 million pounds according to a TfL inquiry with 43 million pounds coming from the taxpayer.

OLYMPICS
Johnson helped oversee the hugely successful 2012 London Olympic Games, but was criticised for the legacy of the Olympic stadium where Premier League soccer side West Ham United now play their games, although it can still be used for athletics.

A 2017 independent review showed the transformation costs after the Olympics rose to 323 million pounds from a budget estimate of 190 million pounds.

West Ham pay rent of 2.5 million pounds per season but the review projected annual losses of about 20 million pounds.


So sneggy you have proved my point in that you can’t find anything positive to say about Boris


I'm in good company :lol: Like I said earlier many will be fooled by his bluster and bullshit but I can assure you I did look quite hard to find something positive about him said by any of his former employers but came up with nothing. 8-) His negotiating tactic seems to be taken from the Basil Faulty text book on "How to speak to foreigners" :(

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:54 pm

If youve all of a sudden become a working class tory because of some speech by a Tory pm known for his bullshit then your a bigger fool than I bet you already look. This song is me singing to you

https://youtu.be/DnGpkZsPhqw

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:01 pm

AHERNE wrote:If youve all of a sudden become a working class tory because of some speech by a Tory pm known for his bullshit then your a bigger fool than I bet you already look. This song is me singing to you

https://youtu.be/DnGpkZsPhqw


Brilliant :lol: :thumbup:

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:05 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:In my 45 years as an adult, I have seen quite a few PM's come and go. I can honestly say that whichever PM has been in charge, and whatever party has been in power, I have never noticed much difference in the way the average person lives. I have never noticed any spectacular differences in my lifestyle, and I doubt if Boris will make a blind bit of difference as far as I'm concerned. If I could press a switch which would prevent anything regarding politics reaching my brain, I would probably never know when we have a change of government or a new PM. Prices rise and fall depending on supply and demand, taxes usually only go in one direction, and whoever is supposedly running the country now will generally do the same as the people who ran it 10 years back, and in 10 years time they will still be doing roughly the same.

Probably the most sensible post I have ever read on this forum!

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:33 pm

JJ1927 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:In my 45 years as an adult, I have seen quite a few PM's come and go. I can honestly say that whichever PM has been in charge, and whatever party has been in power, I have never noticed much difference in the way the average person lives. I have never noticed any spectacular differences in my lifestyle, and I doubt if Boris will make a blind bit of difference as far as I'm concerned. If I could press a switch which would prevent anything regarding politics reaching my brain, I would probably never know when we have a change of government or a new PM. Prices rise and fall depending on supply and demand, taxes usually only go in one direction, and whoever is supposedly running the country now will generally do the same as the people who ran it 10 years back, and in 10 years time they will still be doing roughly the same.

Probably the most sensible post I have ever read on this forum!


Well I can see many spectacular differences in the last 10 years alone.
I now distrust the police, the establishment, the government and the media.
I see men dominating womens sport and breaking world records daily.
I see I'm not allowed to criticise Islam extremists for fear of being called racist.
I'm not allowed to tell many a joke about the irish, welsh, black people (people of colour) women, LQBTQ in case im again called racist (WTF) and there seems to be a word for people like me who just wants to live a let live.
Im actually very liberal but would be classed as far right. I mean come on.
So yes... I believe there has been major change over the last 10 years or so and my freedom of speech is all but gone (so is yours) I'm a proud Welshman, Proud Brit, I'm a royalist but i see my pride diminishing daily.

Re: Boris Johnson wiping the floor

Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:30 am

Jes wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:In my 45 years as an adult, I have seen quite a few PM's come and go. I can honestly say that whichever PM has been in charge, and whatever party has been in power, I have never noticed much difference in the way the average person lives. I have never noticed any spectacular differences in my lifestyle, and I doubt if Boris will make a blind bit of difference as far as I'm concerned. If I could press a switch which would prevent anything regarding politics reaching my brain, I would probably never know when we have a change of government or a new PM. Prices rise and fall depending on supply and demand, taxes usually only go in one direction, and whoever is supposedly running the country now will generally do the same as the people who ran it 10 years back, and in 10 years time they will still be doing roughly the same.

Probably the most sensible post I have ever read on this forum!


Well I can see many spectacular differences in the last 10 years alone.
I now distrust the police, the establishment, the government and the media.
I see men dominating womens sport and breaking world records daily.
I see I'm not allowed to criticise Islam extremists for fear of being called racist.
I'm not allowed to tell many a joke about the irish, welsh, black people (people of colour) women, LQBTQ in case im again called racist (WTF) and there seems to be a word for people like me who just wants to live a let live.
Im actually very liberal but would be classed as far right. I mean come on.
So yes... I believe there has been major change over the last 10 years or so and my freedom of speech is all but gone (so is yours) I'm a proud Welshman, Proud Brit, I'm a royalist but i see my pride diminishing daily.


Perhaps it's just as you have got older, you have had your eyes opened a bit more, and grown wiser. I can assure you there are many of us who have not trusted the government, media police etc., for way more than ten years. A large percentage of this country has, and continues to be brainwashed by the establishment, and if they see something reported in their newspaper or on the BBC,,they assume it must be true. A large number of us know that this country is not only correctly labelled as "rip off Britain", it has also been a corrupt nation for a long time.

As for being politically correct, I am afraid that's not me. I still tell the same old tired jokes as I always did, and if some brainwashed snowflake takes offence at it, tough shit as far as I am concerned.

With regards to men competing in women's sports, and using the ladies facilities when showering etc., I'm with you on that. Not unique to our country, and that seems to come under the authority of European and World governing bodies rather than our PM or whichever party is in power at a particular time.

The population of this country has been "controlled" for many years. Talk to those who took part in the miners strike, whether they are police or the miners themselves to see an example of this. For me, I just live as I always have, and nothing much changes. My rates go up every year, my utility bills do the same, and my shopping and petrol varies by a few pounds from time to time, just as they did 30 years or more back.

This Brexit business is not all bad for those keeping us under control. It has long been believed by some people that a split population is easier to control than a united one.