Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:21 am
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:23 am
TAP_Sheep wrote:Blue Legend wrote:I believe there is a decent striker there waiting to come out. Warnock's tactics of lumping the ball forward to a big man doesn't suit Zahore at all. Ken needs a move to further his career, he will be a better striker for WBA.
At least we have Madine to rely onbecause 8m wont get us a better striker than Zahore these days.
Don't get it. Calum Paterson had a go up front and scored 10, assisted 5. If you're good enough, you'll score goals. No excuses for Ken.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:24 am
TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:27 am
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:29 am
Wolfpac wrote:Thank fook for that, the guys shit always has been, and now I can delet him off my instagram, was sick of him posing with his wife and child, you're a footballer not a model you tw*t
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:33 am
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:35 am
2blue2handle wrote:Personally I think it would be a huge mistake, for me Zohore has proven he can lead for a promotion team at this level. 8m seems a good price but I have little doubt it will turn out to be great business for WBA in the current market.
Do I trust Warnock to get better for 8m? or even more if added to his budget, im really not sure. Warnock has said about his poor record of signing strikers last summer.
Medine 6m
Reid 12m
Ward 1.5m
Bogle 750k
White I appreciate Reid as a good player, in no way does he fit in our system as a striker and if that is Warnocks plan I can see us having to revert back to Patterson at some point which would be a disaster.
Personally I think we should have kept Zohore and brought in another striker as competition. If we really needed money which I didn’t think we did I would try and offload Etheridge way before Zohore. If Warnock can get better then over him to him and great news but im sceptical to say the least.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:38 am
TAP_Sheep wrote:Blue Legend wrote:I believe there is a decent striker there waiting to come out. Warnock's tactics of lumping the ball forward to a big man doesn't suit Zahore at all. Ken needs a move to further his career, he will be a better striker for WBA.
At least we have Madine to rely onbecause 8m wont get us a better striker than Zahore these days.
Don't get it. Calum Paterson had a go up front and scored 10, assisted 5. If you're good enough, you'll score goals. No excuses for Ken.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:46 am
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:53 am
Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:53 am
Forever Blue wrote:For me Kenneth Zohore has had his chances and failed badly for us and been very costly to our club on his high wages.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:03 pm
Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:05 pm
Bluebina wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Terrible Warnock what do you know about football?
You should have asked Deep Blue apparently Zohore is brilliant, he must go to every training session and see him in action because he seems to know more than you
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:07 pm
Lengee wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Yes well said....excellent post.the
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:08 pm
TAP_Sheep wrote:Forever Blue wrote:For me Kenneth Zohore has had his chances and failed badly for us and been very costly to our club on his high wages.
Spot on
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:12 pm
2blue2handle wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Forever Blue wrote:For me Kenneth Zohore has had his chances and failed badly for us and been very costly to our club on his high wages.
Spot on
No idea of his wage but i'm sure he has done more than a lot of our players some of who picked up a wage and done nothing. I think he lead the line brilliantly in our promotion campaign to justify a good wage.
Obviously all our strikers struggled in the premiership due to how we played but I seen enough in glimpse to think he would have a brilliant link up with Reid in the championship.
If Warnock can get better then great news, but we will see.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:12 pm
2blue2handle wrote:Personally I think it would be a huge mistake, for me Zohore has proven he can lead for a promotion team at this level. 8m seems a good price but I have little doubt it will turn out to be great business for WBA in the current market.
Do I trust Warnock to get better for 8m? or even more if added to his budget, im really not sure. Warnock has said about his poor record of signing strikers last summer.
Medine 6m
Reid 12m
Ward 1.5m
Bogle 750k
White I appreciate Reid as a good player, in no way does he fit in our system as a striker and if that is Warnocks plan I can see us having to revert back to Patterson at some point which would be a disaster.
Personally I think we should have kept Zohore and brought in another striker as competition. If we really needed money which I didn’t think we did I would try and offload Etheridge way before Zohore. If Warnock can get better then over him to him and great news but im sceptical to say the least.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:14 pm
paulh_85 wrote:2blue2handle wrote:Personally I think it would be a huge mistake, for me Zohore has proven he can lead for a promotion team at this level. 8m seems a good price but I have little doubt it will turn out to be great business for WBA in the current market.
Do I trust Warnock to get better for 8m? or even more if added to his budget, im really not sure. Warnock has said about his poor record of signing strikers last summer.
Medine 6m
Reid 12m
Ward 1.5m
Bogle 750k
White I appreciate Reid as a good player, in no way does he fit in our system as a striker and if that is Warnocks plan I can see us having to revert back to Patterson at some point which would be a disaster.
Personally I think we should have kept Zohore and brought in another striker as competition. If we really needed money which I didn’t think we did I would try and offload Etheridge way before Zohore. If Warnock can get better then over him to him and great news but im sceptical to say the least.
if he does go, we should be looking to bring in two strikers really. Bowen and austin?
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:16 pm
TAP_Sheep wrote:Bluebird Warrior wrote:cityone wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I think it's a good fee but personally would not sell as I do not believe Warnock will be able to get better.
Are you being serious?? Warnock can't get better than Zahore??
Well the evidence over the last 3 seasons hasn't been good. Danny Ward, Gary Madine, Omar Bogle, Oumar Niasse all strikers brought in by Warnock and none of them are better than him imo. I agree with the club selling Zohore for 8m but throughout Warnock's career as a manager he's never been able to produce/sign a good striker or get them scoring goals in his system (He admits that himself in his autobiography)
You're conveniently leaving out the fact he converted a right back to a number 10/Striker who's scored more than Zohore since he joined. And Bobby Reid, Josh Murphy scored more than Ken
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:19 pm
TAP_Sheep wrote:Blue Legend wrote:I believe there is a decent striker there waiting to come out. Warnock's tactics of lumping the ball forward to a big man doesn't suit Zahore at all. Ken needs a move to further his career, he will be a better striker for WBA.
At least we have Madine to rely onbecause 8m wont get us a better striker than Zahore these days.
Don't get it. Calum Paterson had a go up front and scored 10, assisted 5. If you're good enough, you'll score goals. No excuses for Ken.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:22 pm
Bluebird Warrior wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Bluebird Warrior wrote:cityone wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I think it's a good fee but personally would not sell as I do not believe Warnock will be able to get better.
Are you being serious?? Warnock can't get better than Zahore??
Well the evidence over the last 3 seasons hasn't been good. Danny Ward, Gary Madine, Omar Bogle, Oumar Niasse all strikers brought in by Warnock and none of them are better than him imo. I agree with the club selling Zohore for 8m but throughout Warnock's career as a manager he's never been able to produce/sign a good striker or get them scoring goals in his system (He admits that himself in his autobiography)
You're conveniently leaving out the fact he converted a right back to a number 10/Striker who's scored more than Zohore since he joined. And Bobby Reid, Josh Murphy scored more than Ken
Yes the fact that we had to convert Paterson to a striker temporarily i may add says a lot about Warnock's ability to sign good strikers or get the system to work for them. Reid is a number 10 not a 9 at Cardiff and he never worked as a 9 here under Warnock and Josh Murphy is a winger not a striker.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:23 pm
TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Quick google search gets me 2 actual Warnock quotes criticizing Ken's laziness.
"He’s been a little bit lazy since I’ve been at the club but, at half-time the other night, he showed what he could do," said Warnock after the home defeat to Barnsley in his debut campaign.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... f-15522570
"He’s got to do better in training every day. He’s got to get the hunger back that he’s had.
"There’s only one person who can do that. We can only do so much.
"It’s like the saying of taking a horse to water. "He’s in the running [for Burnley]," he continued. "He’s in the 18, but he’s got to do more in training."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/th ... ar-BBNEKT2
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:24 pm
Blue Legend wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Blue Legend wrote:I believe there is a decent striker there waiting to come out. Warnock's tactics of lumping the ball forward to a big man doesn't suit Zahore at all. Ken needs a move to further his career, he will be a better striker for WBA.
At least we have Madine to rely onbecause 8m wont get us a better striker than Zahore these days.
Don't get it. Calum Paterson had a go up front and scored 10, assisted 5. If you're good enough, you'll score goals. No excuses for Ken.
We'll just see how he does under a manager who believes in him and plays to his strengths.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:25 pm
TAP_Sheep wrote:2blue2handle wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Forever Blue wrote:For me Kenneth Zohore has had his chances and failed badly for us and been very costly to our club on his high wages.
Spot on
No idea of his wage but i'm sure he has done more than a lot of our players some of who picked up a wage and done nothing. I think he lead the line brilliantly in our promotion campaign to justify a good wage.
Obviously all our strikers struggled in the premiership due to how we played but I seen enough in glimpse to think he would have a brilliant link up with Reid in the championship.
If Warnock can get better then great news, but we will see.
Estimated £16.5k p/wk
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:27 pm
paulh_85 wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:2blue2handle wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Forever Blue wrote:For me Kenneth Zohore has had his chances and failed badly for us and been very costly to our club on his high wages.
Spot on
No idea of his wage but i'm sure he has done more than a lot of our players some of who picked up a wage and done nothing. I think he lead the line brilliantly in our promotion campaign to justify a good wage.
Obviously all our strikers struggled in the premiership due to how we played but I seen enough in glimpse to think he would have a brilliant link up with Reid in the championship.
If Warnock can get better then great news, but we will see.
Estimated £16.5k p/wk
nothing then if thats true
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:30 pm
TAP_Sheep wrote:paulh_85 wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:2blue2handle wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Forever Blue wrote:For me Kenneth Zohore has had his chances and failed badly for us and been very costly to our club on his high wages.
Spot on
No idea of his wage but i'm sure he has done more than a lot of our players some of who picked up a wage and done nothing. I think he lead the line brilliantly in our promotion campaign to justify a good wage.
Obviously all our strikers struggled in the premiership due to how we played but I seen enough in glimpse to think he would have a brilliant link up with Reid in the championship.
If Warnock can get better then great news, but we will see.
Estimated £16.5k p/wk
nothing then if thats true
One of the higher earning players. But compare that to the fact that Matt Connolly is likely still on £20k p/wk and it doesn't seem too bad.
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:39 pm
paulh_85 wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:paulh_85 wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:2blue2handle wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Forever Blue wrote:For me Kenneth Zohore has had his chances and failed badly for us and been very costly to our club on his high wages.
Spot on
No idea of his wage but i'm sure he has done more than a lot of our players some of who picked up a wage and done nothing. I think he lead the line brilliantly in our promotion campaign to justify a good wage.
Obviously all our strikers struggled in the premiership due to how we played but I seen enough in glimpse to think he would have a brilliant link up with Reid in the championship.
If Warnock can get better then great news, but we will see.
Estimated £16.5k p/wk
nothing then if thats true
One of the higher earning players. But compare that to the fact that Matt Connolly is likely still on £20k p/wk and it doesn't seem too bad.
Yeah, 16k a week on a player who would (if staying at least) be in the squad is ok.
Overall our wages are a lot better than previous years, and the higher earners like tomlin, madine? manga probably wont be here next season.