Brexit - Deal or No Deal ?

The only way they’ll have a second referendum is if the poll was put to joe public with 2 options deal or no deal otherwise it will just make a mockery of the voting system. Personally I don’t think it will get that far as Boris is adamant that, if he is PM by the time the next leave date is due, we leave with no deal as the deal isn’t going to change.

Unfortunately the idea behind the 2nd vote IS that on ballot paper will be the question Remain in EU? The people vote is a con by remainers to have a 2nd referendum by back door

The day that happens the day democracy in the UK dies

This is why it wont happen with Johnson or hunt if you believe their rhetoric? Labour only interested in themselves not democracy.

I’ve lost all faith in Labour under Corbyn, they’re so far from where they were under Kinnock and Blair it’s hard to believe they’re the same party.

As for Hunt and Bo Jo, Hunt wants to remain and doesn’t want to push the deal but will attempt to push the deal TM secured through... how he will manage that I’m not sure because it’s been rejected 3 times and can’t be voted on in parliament again, he won’t leave with No Deal opting to remain against the public vote, Bo Jo we all know will leave with No Deal if push comes to shove... the question is though which one is better for the country as PM.... and which one would stand the better chance of winning a GE for the conservatives.... bear in mind that the last 2 elections they actually lost.... the ConDem government labour actually won the majority seats and Lib Dem’s chose the better deal on the table and the last one if you look at the actual voting figures conservatives overall vote was less than all other parties (if that makes sense)

Hunt is sitting on a barbed wire fence and will do what he needs to do to keep himself in office if got there? All hes said is he will extend deadline if deal close so unless EU change mind about renegotiating deal he will have to choose no deal or break his campaign pledge

Hunt won't get in, even a smear campaign, nosey neighbours with microphones on the walls, weren't able to stop BOJO, love him or hate him, he will determine if we leave or not, with an interesting six months coming up!

I'm pretty sure he will get the backstop sorted Europe are more scared of a no deal than Bojo!

How would remain rig the vote? I do seem to recall that the leave campaign have been found guilty of breaking the law so maybe it's safer to assume that they'd do it again.
The first referendum was advisory and how will we know what the 'will of the people' is if the only option available is Theresa Mays deal? (Assuming no deal is also not there because that too was rejected, even by the leave campaign, back in 2016)

Remain also broke rules and also benefited from the Government leaflet which cost £9m which heavily recommended that we should vote to remain and also falsely claimed they would implement the result if we didn't. That is before we get into the project fear and Osborne's punishment budget.

I bet you the referendum wouldn't have been 'advisory' if remain had won by 1 vote! You can bet your arse we would have remained in the EU on the grounds of 'democracy'

As Steve Z has mentioned above no-one was told the first referendum was 'advisory'. The Government leaflet clearly states that the decision will be implemented. But someone decided to hide this 'advisory' clause as a Plan B just in case we did the unthinkable and voted to leave.

I wish that someone would challenge the Government in the Courts. If they cannot get a trade deal with the EU then we should leave with no deal as the Government is obliged to implement the result.

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

Hunt won't get in, even a smear campaign, nosey neighbours with microphones on the walls, weren't able to stop BOJO, love him or hate him, he will determine if we leave or not, with an interesting six months coming up!

I'm pretty sure he will get the backstop sorted Europe are more scared of a no deal than Bojo!

I agree BOJO should win the vote and become PM. However, he will come up against the same problems as TM in Parliament, which is heavily weighted against leaving especially with no deal.

However, if Labour come out in favour of remaining then I think the BOJO could use the threat of a General Election to get his way. Labour will be decimated in it's heartlands where there was a heavy vote to leave making it impossible for them to win, especially as many Labour remain voters have already defected to the LibDems. This would make many sitting Labour MPs very twitchy and just might make enough of them think about backing a no deal

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

You're problem is you don't understand how things work. Firstly there is a referendum and a result is declared. Secondly the result is implemented. Finally if someone wants to change the result then they can start lobbying from that point. Generally though a referendum result lasts a generation (25 years) although it can be as little as 10 years. In either case if we leave the EU this year there will not be another in/out referendum until 2029 at the earliest.

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

You're problem is you don't understand how things work. Firstly there is a referendum and a result is declared. Secondly the result is implemented. Finally if someone wants to change the result then they can start lobbying from that point. Generally though a referendum result lasts a generation (25 years) although it can be as little as 10 years. In either case if we leave the EU this year there will not be another in/out referendum until 2029 at the earliest.

Could you show me the law which says all of this please?

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

Josh, I voted yes in 1975. The Common Market and then the EEC were completely different back then. It was all about trade, and seemed a very good idea. None of us ever contemplated the EU becoming so dominant, and actually having a major say in how we run our country. Had I known what was going to be in store for us years later, I would have voted differently, and I suspect many others would have as well.

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

Get over it you lost, we are leaving

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

You're problem is you don't understand how things work. Firstly there is a referendum and a result is declared. Secondly the result is implemented. Finally if someone wants to change the result then they can start lobbying from that point. Generally though a referendum result lasts a generation (25 years) although it can be as little as 10 years. In either case if we leave the EU this year there will not be another in/out referendum until 2029 at the earliest.

Could you show me the law which says all of this please?

You may find this helpful.

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

You're problem is you don't understand how things work. Firstly there is a referendum and a result is declared. Secondly the result is implemented. Finally if someone wants to change the result then they can start lobbying from that point. Generally though a referendum result lasts a generation (25 years) although it can be as little as 10 years. In either case if we leave the EU this year there will not be another in/out referendum until 2029 at the earliest.

Could you show me the law which says all of this please?

Would it matter as sure you would say the law is wrong? Besides everyone agreed to wording of referendum so why should we have another because people like tou don't agree with the result? The fact we have not left is due to self opinionated MPs who don't agree with Brexit abusing their power whilst ignoring the will of their constituents who voted out! We live in a democracy in case you haven't noticed and regardless of the where and hows of result it was democratic and majority win the same as in general election! May hate Tories when they won but no one asked for a re run to overturn result which is what you and labour are asking to do with Brexit....

Daily Mirror reporting today that millions of children will have their Xmas ruined this year because of a toy shortage if we have a no deal Brexit. It's a genuine story on page 23 today, and it's not even April 1st. Not sure where they get their imagination from, but it brightens up the day I suppose. Makes you wonder why we even bothered to have Xmas before we became part of the EU. I predict tomorrow they will be saying if we leave without a deal, we will all die of thirst as it will no longer rain in countries who are not ruled by this outfit. Project Fear gets better by the day.

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

You're problem is you don't understand how things work. Firstly there is a referendum and a result is declared. Secondly the result is implemented. Finally if someone wants to change the result then they can start lobbying from that point. Generally though a referendum result lasts a generation (25 years) although it can be as little as 10 years. In either case if we leave the EU this year there will not be another in/out referendum until 2029 at the earliest.

Could you show me the law which says all of this please?

This may help
https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-refe ... -YQAvD_BwE

I can't believe how the metropolitan elites are thwarting a democratic vote to leave the EU. The BEEB, Sky News, main body of Journalists, MPs, The Lords etc etc.
I grew up believing we were a beacon of democracy, a great country. All bollocks. This country needs a revolution. Brexit Party are the only hope.

I can't believe how the metropolitan elites are thwarting a democratic vote to leave the EU. The BEEB, Sky News, main body of Journalists, MPs, The Lords etc etc.
I grew up believing we were a beacon of democracy, a great country. All bollocks. This country needs a revolution. Brexit Party are the only hope.

I think the written press are reasonably split in nailing their colours to the respective masts. The broadcast media and in particular the BBC are ridiculously partial at the moment. I was in and out of the car yesterday morning and every time I turned the radio on they were going on about Boris potentially scraping the sugar tax. Must have been banging on about it for an hour. Yet Labour's current thoughts / policy on gift tax replacing inheritance tax allowance and taxing parental gifts hasn't had a single report or comment from the beeb.

4th July 1776

243 Years since the USA crashed out of the Brittish Empire without a deal, they seem to be doing OK!

I can't believe how the metropolitan elites are thwarting a democratic vote to leave the EU. The BEEB, Sky News, main body of Journalists, MPs, The Lords etc etc.
I grew up believing we were a beacon of democracy, a great country. All bollocks. This country needs a revolution. Brexit Party are the only hope.

I think the written press are reasonably split in nailing their colours to the respective masts. The broadcast media and in particular the BBC are ridiculously partial at the moment. I was in and out of the car yesterday morning and every time I turned the radio on they were going on about Boris potentially scraping the sugar tax. Must have been banging on about it for an hour. Yet Labour's current thoughts / policy on gift tax replacing inheritance tax allowance and taxing parental gifts hasn't had a single report or comment from the beeb.

Agreed the BBC are remain to the core!

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

You lost get over it, there will be no losers re-vote!

Farage in 2016: 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.'
Farage in 2018: Video of him saying he wants a second referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-426546 ... referendum
I also do believe that the UK had a referendum on staying in in 1975 which remain won so would that mean that you should've 'got over it'?

You're problem is you don't understand how things work. Firstly there is a referendum and a result is declared. Secondly the result is implemented. Finally if someone wants to change the result then they can start lobbying from that point. Generally though a referendum result lasts a generation (25 years) although it can be as little as 10 years. In either case if we leave the EU this year there will not be another in/out referendum until 2029 at the earliest.

Could you show me the law which says all of this please?

This may help
https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-refe ... -YQAvD_BwE

Having read the whole piece it isn't legally binding but its clear that the cons pledged to abide by decision hence Mays and others saying they will honour the vote, unlike labour who through jealousy that they lost election are doing their damndest to say fck democracy we want what we want! After saying this it does beg question if not binding why are we arguing the toss about leaving why not revoke article 50 the gvmnt have the power to do this?

I can't believe how the metropolitan elites are thwarting a democratic vote to leave the EU. The BEEB, Sky News, main body of Journalists, MPs, The Lords etc etc.
I grew up believing we were a beacon of democracy, a great country. All bollocks. This country needs a revolution. Brexit Party are the only hope.

I think the written press are reasonably split in nailing their colours to the respective masts. The broadcast media and in particular the BBC are ridiculously partial at the moment. I was in and out of the car yesterday morning and every time I turned the radio on they were going on about Boris potentially scraping the sugar tax. Must have been banging on about it for an hour. Yet Labour's current thoughts / policy on gift tax replacing inheritance tax allowance and taxing parental gifts hasn't had a single report or comment from the beeb.

Agreed the BBC are remain to the core!

Of course they are. They have received grants from the EU running into millions of pounds.

Could you show me the law which says all of this please?

I can certainly show you president. The 1975 EEC referendum, the 2014 Scottish Independence referendum and the 2011 alternative vote referendum.

All the democratic results were implemented in favour of the majority winner. In the case of the 1975 EEC referendum it was 41 years before another one was held.

The only referendum not honoured is the 2016 EU referendum and that is unacceptable.

After saying this it does beg question if not binding why are we arguing the toss about leaving why not revoke article 50 the gvmnt have the power to do this?

Please don't give the wankers in Parliament ideas. That said I'm sure at the first opportunity those self serving MP's believe they can get away with revoking article 50 they will.

Can you understand that Josh?

I understood it in the first place, all I said was that the referendum (like all UK referendums) was advisory. I didn't make a comment on it or anything but people have decided to ignore 95% of my post to randomly focus on that.
Can you understand that?

And now you’ve been advised that we’re leaving..

What’s all the fuss..

After saying this it does beg question if not binding why are we arguing the toss about leaving why not revoke article 50 the gvmnt have the power to do this?

Please don't give the wankers in Parliament ideas. That said I'm sure at the first opportunity those self serving MP's believe they can get away with revoking article 50 they will.

It's all a bit strange because if there was the will power of MPs they could probably win a vote on withdrawal of article 50 but apears no one is interested in this idea just a people's vote or 2nd referendum in disguise? Be interesting to see what hunt does if he wins as he's the one that is divering on leaving, boris is adamant its deal or no deal and nothing else come oct31st.

After saying this it does beg question if not binding why are we arguing the toss about leaving why not revoke article 50 the gvmnt have the power to do this?

Please don't give the wankers in Parliament ideas. That said I'm sure at the first opportunity those self serving MP's believe they can get away with revoking article 50 they will.

It's all a bit strange because if there was the will power of MPs they could probably win a vote on withdrawal of article 50 but apears no one is interested in this idea just a people's vote or 2nd referendum in disguise? Be interesting to see what hunt does if he wins as he's the one that is divering on leaving, boris is adamant its deal or no deal and nothing else come oct31st.

The reason nobody wants to be the ones responsible for revoking article 50 is because they all know that they will forever be known as the politicians who were responsible for ending democracy in the UK. They will try to keep us in using alternative underhanded means, but the end result will be the same. True democracy in this country will have come to an end, and we will end up being part of a United States of Europe dictated to by the powers that be in Brussels or Strasbourg.

After saying this it does beg question if not binding why are we arguing the toss about leaving why not revoke article 50 the gvmnt have the power to do this?

Please don't give the wankers in Parliament ideas. That said I'm sure at the first opportunity those self serving MP's believe they can get away with revoking article 50 they will.

It's all a bit strange because if there was the will power of MPs they could probably win a vote on withdrawal of article 50 but apears no one is interested in this idea just a people's vote or 2nd referendum in disguise? Be interesting to see what hunt does if he wins as he's the one that is divering on leaving, boris is adamant its deal or no deal and nothing else come oct31st.

The reason nobody wants to be the ones responsible for revoking article 50 is because they all know that they will forever be known as the politicians who were responsible for ending democracy in the UK. They will try to keep us in using alternative underhanded means, but the end result will be the same. True democracy in this country will have come to an end, and we will end up being part of a United States of Europe dictated to by the powers that be in Brussels or Strasbourg.

Like said 2nd referendum in disguise! Also there is a lot of MPs wanting out but haven't the balls to come out and say it! Who wants to be in a federal state who Impose silly rules like straight bananas? We ate a sovereign state and needs to stay that way not become a poodle for EU state.

Who wants to be in a federal state who Impose silly rules like straight bananas

What's wrong a trading bloc adding classifications to food products so importers know what they're getting? Never understood this EU straight banana fuss but would like to know why people are so offended by it.

Who wants to be in a federal state who Impose silly rules like straight bananas

What's wrong a trading bloc adding classifications to food products so importers know what they're getting? Never understood this EU straight banana fuss but would like to know why people are so offended by it.

Nothing but the EU was never intended to be solely a trading block, it’s a federal state ran by unelected Eurocrats. It’s failing and has been a disaster for every Eurozone country apart from Germany and the Netherlands.

Who wants to be in a federal state who Impose silly rules like straight bananas

What's wrong a trading bloc adding classifications to food products so importers know what they're getting? Never understood this EU straight banana fuss but would like to know why people are so offended by it.

Come on the list of idiotic rules are endless apples must be certain size ect ect , ever wonder why Morrison's call it wonky food? Because unless they sell it as such it cannot be sold as not in line with EU measurements! its the beaurocrocy that's the problem no wonder business people want out as their businesses cannot move for EU red tape.......

ever wonder why Morrison's call it wonky food? Because unless they sell it as such it cannot be sold as not in line with EU measurements! its the beaurocrocy that's the problem no wonder business people want out as their businesses cannot move for EU red tape.......

That is not true in the slightest, the wonky food thing is just a marketing ploy by morrisons to sell the shit looking stuff. They could have the 'wonky' food sold alongside the rest labelled as normal (as many smaller markets do) but nobody would buy it unless there's a gimmick behind it. EU legislation doesn't come into that at all. The regulation you're talking about doesn't actually apply to retailers, it's in place for growers and suppliers that the supermarkets buy FROM.

As for 'business people' wanting out I'm not sure the majority of UK business people want out or that there's been any survey/evidence of that.

4th July 1776

243 Years since the USA crashed out of the Brittish Empire without a deal, they seem to be doing OK!

I have seen some idiotic posts on this site, be it from transfer rumours, tactics or politics, but this may top them all.

4th July 1776

243 Years since the USA crashed out of the Brittish Empire without a deal, they seem to be doing OK!

I have seen some idiotic posts on this site, be it from transfer rumours, tactics or politics, but this may top them all.

i think you may need to get a sense of humour, that was obviously said tongue in cheek, meant to be a joke.