In Farage we trust

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

What they are doing is combining all the parties who are remain and saying they are the majority as overall it was around 56% remainers and 44%, leave parties that's all of UK by the way! on that basis they are saying people want another referendum? Whatever happened to the winners won and losers lost?

The same happens in football, you can twist stats and figures to support your views.

If you add them together yes it looks like remain voters won, but the turnout was only 37% compared to nearly 70% in the referendum.
And theres no guarantee people who voted for cons or labour are remainers anyway.

Another way of looking at it is Brexit won 9 out of the 11 regions so in theory won by a margin of over 80% countrywide.

It's easy to twist stats to support your agenda

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

What they are doing is combining all the parties who are remain and saying they are the majority as overall it was around 56% remainers and 44%, leave parties that's all of UK by the way! on that basis they are saying people want another referendum? Whatever happened to the winners won and losers lost?

The same happens in football, you can twist stats and figures to support your views.

If you add them together yes it looks like remain voters won, but the turnout was only 37% compared to nearly 70% in the referendum.
And theres no guarantee people who voted for cons or labour are remainers anyway.

Another way of looking at it is Brexit won 9 out of the 11 regions so in theory won by a margin of over 80% countrywide.

It's easy to twist stats to support your agenda

That's what they are doing its pathetic attempt to try to go against the democratic will of the people?

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

He's right though. Do the math.

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

What they are doing is combining all the parties who are remain and saying they are the majority as overall it was around 56% remainers and 44%, leave parties that's all of UK by the way! on that basis they are saying people want another referendum? Whatever happened to the winners won and losers lost?

The same happens in football, you can twist stats and figures to support your views.

If you add them together yes it looks like remain voters won, but the turnout was only 37% compared to nearly 70% in the referendum.
And theres no guarantee people who voted for cons or labour are remainers anyway.

Labour and Tory voters are excluded from his analysis.

Another way of looking at it is Brexit won 9 out of the 11 regions so in theory won by a margin of over 80% countrywide.

It's easy to twist stats to support your agenda

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

He's right though. Do the math.

What maths? Last time I looked Brexit won most seats so how does your maths make remain winners? You do know it's the ones who win most seats that win not combining all remain votes and say we got more votes than you so we win? We do not do proportional
representation in UK when voting!

Cheers me up to see the consensus of common sense in our supporters.
I'm very proud that the brain rot which has infected much of the country hasn't worked on the majority of my Cardiff boys !

Whichever way the Plaid or the Lib Dem bosses put it by adding as much together as they have the bottom line is......

They lost a referendum which disgracefully has not been acted on.

Today's news.... Change UK now want to join Liberals !!!!! Talk about glory hunters

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

He's right though. Do the math.

What maths? Last time I looked Brexit won most seats so how does your maths make remain winners? You do know it's the ones who win most seats that win not combining all remain votes and say we got more votes than you so we win? We do not do proportional
representation in UK when voting!

Very true though I know a second referendum would be just a vote count.

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

He's right though. Do the math.

What maths? Last time I looked Brexit won most seats so how does your maths make remain winners? You do know it's the ones who win most seats that win not combining all remain votes and say we got more votes than you so we win? We do not do proportional
representation in UK when voting!

Very true though I know a second referendum would be just a vote count.

What happens if leave won another referendum? Be in worse mess than now! Besides only way can have another referendum is if article 50 is extended as legally no time to have one before Oct 29th, as it's been said that's suicide for Tories to do it...

I think the Brexit party are simply that - a party for the EU 'parliament'.

They have no domestic policy really. Although the thought of a party which has economists, left wingers, right wingers, professionals, business owners, social workers etc - seems to be broad church of opinion.

More than happy to step away from the dogma of Labour / momentum / anti Semitic rhetoric about Israel, trade unionists telling people how to think / vote and behave etc.

Im also more than happy about getting rid of Tory MPs with a rich sense of entitlement, privilege, corrupt.

I know NOT all MPs are like this - but the ethic of all political parties needs a shake up. So a new choice with different people maybe a welcome change - who knows.

The brexit party seem to want brexit no matter what, parliament wont let that happen (which is why Farage can demand it all he likes - outside of Parliament).

Once the mess of the Tory leadership is settled - then they need to give us all an option - re negotiate the caveats of the withdrawl agreement, if they cant do that then inform the EU that No deal is on the table. Once that is set in place - we leave on the 1st Nov - unless of course Parliament revoke Article 20 - in which case we would need a General Election.

What the result of that would be - no one knows, especially if the Brexit party decide to contest certain seats.

We would then have a hung parliament, with various sides being able to vote down the other - a perpetual mess. The only thing that could possibly change any of this - is if the EU change and go back to a pre Maastright arrangement - so you control immigration etc. We abandon the Common Agricultural Policy and we effectively re build the EU back to a simple trading body body that controls standards / tariffs etc - then it may just work.

I'll stop typing now.

I would add that a referendum on Plan B would be useful - Remain, No Deal - or what ever the new PM can negotiate. Make the vote proportional - so that you have a 1,2 and 3rd preference. All the votes get counted, whoever comes last then is recounted and their second preference is added to the original vote. So if No deal gets 35%, remain gets 35% - they then count the second preference of PM votes etc - so eventually you will have a majority of everyone who voted.

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

He's right though. Do the math.

oh the maths are right if you make massive assumptions about the figures your adding up..
I don't see how you can assume anyone that voted for most of those parties did so purely on a leave/remain basis..plus the turn out was much smaller than the referendum.

As a broad approximation - you would add Lid Dems, Plaid and SNP votes for Remain
For leave you would ukip, Brexit, Conservative votes.

Labour's policy (seems) to be brexit needs to be delivered - therefore it's a Leave party. Well it was a leave party before the eu elections.

So add those up and what do you get ?

The only thing I would say is that possibly dont add the Labour vote to either leave or remain - as it's a confused vote. Labour London - remain, Labour in the North Leave

As a broad approximation - you would add Lid Dems, Plaid and SNP votes for Remain
For leave you would ukip, Brexit, Conservative votes.

Labour's policy (seems) to be brexit needs to be delivered - therefore it's a Leave party. Well it was a leave party before the eu elections.

So add those up and what do you get ?

The only thing I would say is that possibly dont add the Labour vote to either leave or remain - as it's a confused vote. Labour London - remain, Labour in the North Leave

or possibly dont add any of it up as its extremely broad and pointless

As a broad approximation - you would add Lid Dems, Plaid and SNP votes for Remain
For leave you would ukip, Brexit, Conservative votes.

Labour's policy (seems) to be brexit needs to be delivered - therefore it's a Leave party. Well it was a leave party before the eu elections.

So add those up and what do you get ?

The only thing I would say is that possibly dont add the Labour vote to either leave or remain - as it's a confused vote. Labour London - remain, Labour in the North Leave

to do any sort of maths you need ALL the info and accurate figures ..
anything other is totally pointless..

really do not see how anyone can assume what a labour or tory voter would vote in a 2nd referendum or voted in the first..

The main premise of the Remain argument was that we the victims of misinformation and didn't know what we were voting for. The very fact that the country remains split, that there has been little movement surely means that the result should have been / should be enacted.

The main premise of the Remain argument was that we the victims of misinformation and didn't know what we were voting for. The very fact that the country remains split, that there has been little movement surely means that the result should have been / should be enacted.

blows my mind that either side can claim victory over that EU election tbh..

The main premise of the Remain argument was that we the victims of misinformation and didn't know what we were voting for. The very fact that the country remains split, that there has been little movement surely means that the result should have been / should be enacted.

blows my mind that either side can claim victory over that EU election tbh..

I meant to say that related to the original referendum fall out. I remember once Soubrey stating that remain had won the referendum that on the basis that only 37% of electorate had voted to leave ignoring the fact that on that basis only 34% had voted to stay.

I wouldn't take much from Thursday's result in terms of where the country stands on leaving. Its still pretty evenly split. A slight concern for me is that I cant see where we get a goverment from that will take us out, no matter the feeling in the country, Realistically only the tories will take us out and I cant see where they get anywhere near enough of a majority to do that. Farage isn't electable on that scale although he'll cause chaos in leave areas at the next election. Depressing but I see this going on for 10 years or more.

The main premise of the Remain argument was that we the victims of misinformation and didn't know what we were voting for. The very fact that the country remains split, that there has been little movement surely means that the result should have been / should be enacted.

blows my mind that either side can claim victory over that EU election tbh..

I meant to say that related to the original referendum fall out. I remember once Soubrey stating that remain had won the referendum that on the basis that only 37% of electorate had voted to leave ignoring the fact that on that basis only 34% had voted to stay.

I wouldn't take much from Thursday's result in terms of where the country stands on leaving. Its still pretty evenly split. A slight concern for me is that I cant see where we get a goverment from that will take us out, no matter the feeling in the country, Realistically only the tories will take us out and I cant see where they get anywhere near enough of a majority to do that. Farage isn't electable on that scale although he'll cause chaos in leave areas at the next election. Depressing but I see this going on for 10 years or more.

We will never be allowed to leave the EU, and that is something I came to accept quite a while back. We are one of just 7 countries who are paying in more than they get back, and with Germany being the only country who pays in more than us as a net contributor, the EU needs our money. However we vote, we are stuck with this and nothing will change. We will continue to see our services eroded, while helping the poorer nations to become richer. Charity does not begin at home in the UK.

Small wonder people vote for Farage. Adam Price is insisting Remain has won in Wales..this is contemptible, and insults the electorate whichever way you vote.

He's also sending congratulations to Derby County.

He's right though. Do the math.

oh the maths are right if you make massive assumptions about the figures your adding up..
I don't see how you can assume anyone that voted for most of those parties did so purely on a leave/remain basis..plus the turn out was much smaller than the referendum.

Don't under estimate the demonization by the establishment of Farage, their supporters and voters. You cant throw that much mud without some of it sticking and when the margins are tight it could have an effect. In fact I know it has, my wife's who is a keen leaver wouldn't vote for him and I suspect there's a fair few like her. It wont effect a referendum vote though.

The main premise of the Remain argument was that we the victims of misinformation and didn't know what we were voting for. The very fact that the country remains split, that there has been little movement surely means that the result should have been / should be enacted.

blows my mind that either side can claim victory over that EU election tbh..

I meant to say that related to the original referendum fall out. I remember once Soubrey stating that remain had won the referendum that on the basis that only 37% of electorate had voted to leave ignoring the fact that on that basis only 34% had voted to stay.

I wouldn't take much from Thursday's result in terms of where the country stands on leaving. Its still pretty evenly split. A slight concern for me is that I cant see where we get a goverment from that will take us out, no matter the feeling in the country, Realistically only the tories will take us out and I cant see where they get anywhere near enough of a majority to do that. Farage isn't electable on that scale although he'll cause chaos in leave areas at the next election. Depressing but I see this going on for 10 years or more.

We will never be allowed to leave the EU, and that is something I came to accept quite a while back. We are one of just 7 countries who are paying in more than they get back, and with Germany being the only country who pays in more than us as a net contributor, the EU needs our money. However we vote, we are stuck with this and nothing will change. We will continue to see our services eroded, while helping the poorer nations to become richer. Charity does not begin at home in the UK.

Perfectly summed up Steve and if more people in the country thought like this then the vote to leave would be even higher

They may have lied about the 350m on the bus but the point they were getting at is we effectively give away £20bn a year to the EU for what a few grants from the social fund

Personally I’d rather leave and take the chance that we invest the 20bn in the right areas in our own country

I genuinely am happy that the brexit mess is causin so much problem for the big two

For too long we have been ruled by 600 morons that are out of touch with the country

If this finally makes them see sense, which it doesn’t look like then good

Maybe we will start to see some new parties form create some policies that work for the people and a party that actually works for its voters COs who do the main two work for? I can’t see who any of them work for bar themselves

Maybe we should just get the queen to disband parliament and chuck 600 independents into the houses or parliament who may actually take an interest in the topics they debate and listen to their constituents when they vote on those topics in the house

Perhaps we should all just move to Australia lol

The main premise of the Remain argument was that we the victims of misinformation and didn't know what we were voting for. The very fact that the country remains split, that there has been little movement surely means that the result should have been / should be enacted.

blows my mind that either side can claim victory over that EU election tbh..

I meant to say that related to the original referendum fall out. I remember once Soubrey stating that remain had won the referendum that on the basis that only 37% of electorate had voted to leave ignoring the fact that on that basis only 34% had voted to stay.

I wouldn't take much from Thursday's result in terms of where the country stands on leaving. Its still pretty evenly split. A slight concern for me is that I cant see where we get a goverment from that will take us out, no matter the feeling in the country, Realistically only the tories will take us out and I cant see where they get anywhere near enough of a majority to do that. Farage isn't electable on that scale although he'll cause chaos in leave areas at the next election. Depressing but I see this going on for 10 years or more.

We will never be allowed to leave the EU, and that is something I came to accept quite a while back. We are one of just 7 countries who are paying in more than they get back, and with Germany being the only country who pays in more than us as a net contributor, the EU needs our money. However we vote, we are stuck with this and nothing will change. We will continue to see our services eroded, while helping the poorer nations to become richer. Charity does not begin at home in the UK.

Perfectly summed up Steve and if more people in the country thought like this then the vote to leave would be even higher

They may have lied about the 350m on the bus but the point they were getting at is we effectively give away £20bn a year to the EU for what a few grants from the social fund

Personally I’d rather leave and take the chance that we invest the 20bn in the right areas in our own country

so so much is made of that 350 mill on the bus...and very little said about it actually being the amount we contribute..
technically it was a lie but had it been worded 350mill to spend on schools, hospitals, infrastructure and generally where its needed { which is what I assumed anyway }.it would be accurate..

A general election soon methinks.

The main premise of the Remain argument was that we the victims of misinformation and didn't know what we were voting for. The very fact that the country remains split, that there has been little movement surely means that the result should have been / should be enacted.

blows my mind that either side can claim victory over that EU election tbh..

The losers and losing politicians will keep trying to change the referendum result, they are trying to stop Brexit, this could go on for years!

That's why they will keep trying to say the majority now want to remain, Leavers will always find a way to try and say it hasn't changed

Bercow as put his 2 peneth worth in to things by saying basically leave by default no deal will not be allowed to happen and those twats of MPs will have a say in things again!!

Just read that, he needs to go asap as he has become openly one sided which is not his role.

Just read that, he needs to go asap as he has become openly one sided which is not his role.

He is a confirmed remainer and whilst he is suppose to be impartial he as using his power to manipulate way MPs proceed and as on two occasions intervened in favour of remain MPs whilst rejecting leave motions! He as done it again even before new leader is in place and before even know the plan for Brexit he as pr empted situation

Its starting to look like the Brexit supporting parties have been victims of a huge smear in the last few weeks. The Brexit party in particular claimed to be clogging social media with their advertising spending.

A number of politicians and journalists claiming their in boxes were in a state of collapse, due to the Leave related spam. One Lib dem peer described their spending as an Electoral Emergency and Gordon Brown used it as justification for prompting the inspection of their practices.

I thought at the time, that it was a bit odd as despite spending most of the day trawling brexit related news stories, and although not registered probably looking on the Brexit party web site every day, I was getting none of it.

Now as the figures on spending come out we're getting some fact, evidence as Anna Soubrey likes calls it when it suits her. It looks like they spent significantly less with the main medium Facebook than both Change UK or the Lib Dems. Marginally more than Labour with the tories spending very little at all.

You cant help conclude that we've had a lot of the Remain supporting establishment lieing to us in support of their cause.

Its starting to look like the Brexit supporting parties have been victims of a huge smear in the last few weeks. The Brexit party in particular claimed to be clogging social media with their advertising spending.

A number of politicians and journalists claiming their in boxes were in a state of collapse, due to the Leave related spam. One Lib dem peer described their spending as an Electoral Emergency and Gordon Brown used it as justification for prompting the inspection of their practices.

I thought at the time, that it was a bit odd as despite spending most of the day trawling brexit related news stories, and although not registered probably looking on the Brexit party web site every day, I was getting none of it.

Now as the figures on spending come out we're getting some fact, evidence as Anna Soubrey likes calls it when it suits her. It looks like they spent significantly less with the main medium Facebook than both Change UK or the Lib Dems. Marginally more than Labour with the tories spending very little at all.

You cant help conclude that we've had a lot of the Remain supporting establishment lieing to us in support of their cause.