If there was a General Election

Brexit for me. I actually would be ok with a softer brexit in terms of single market. IF that is the compromise to get some unity with the remain voters and bring the country together then I am ok with that. I am not ok with a custom union. Not at all. Nor am I ok with the sheer arrogance shown by Westminster and the smug elites that sneer on us ignoramases that didnt do what we were told. I am so angry with vast swathes of the conservative and labour party that yes, I would vote Farage because at least he isnt afraid to voice what he believes.

They have used every single excuse in the book to stop it and I am disgusted they voted to block no deal. What sort of bargaining hand does THAT give us?!?! Are they completely insane? No just arrogant.

Given the closeness of the result (their words not mine), had remain won by the same amount what compromise would remain have agreed to knowing so many pf the population are against the EU?? Any??

So now it is time to show them again what we want and that means IMHO shunting those that seek to thwart a legitimate decision out.

True democracy would have been to allow brexit to happen and the remain side could by all means campaign to go back in. I as a leave voter accepted that if we ever wished to go back in it would mean the loss of many vetos and havibg to accept the euro and schengen. But for me I believe we shoudl be free of a political union and wish to have a chance to make a go of it. Sadly we are lumbered with a politcal class that have contempt for us as voters.

A family of Labour but I'm not sure anyone genuine could vote Labour with Corbyn and Abbott running the show.

Hard to vote for anyone.

So based on the d'hondt method of calculating seats under proportional representation that would give Wales 3 Brexit and 1 Tory EMP's in the European poles. Of course its an unrepresentative, tiny pole but interesting none the less.

So based on the d'hondt method of calculating seats under proportional representation that would give Wales 3 Brexit and 1 Tory EMP's in the European poles. Of course its an unrepresentative, tiny pole but interesting none the less.

While I understand the resentment following the EU referendum, I find it incredible that so many on this forum would give their vote to a party with only ONE policy! A party run by a very charismatic, clever but dangerous individual. But then Hitler was elected democratically too he was also charismatic, dangerous and very clever and we know what happened after he was elected. I'm sure our fathers who fought Fascism are spinning in their graves at the thought that their sons and daughters are moving towards the same evil that they fought so hard against.

So over half of the people who've voted want 5 years of a party who have one policy: 'brexit'. Not even how they'll implement it, farage has said about a second referendum but I imagine most voters would want an immediate exit.
They won't even say who their big donor is.

I couldn't give a toss who the donor is all I want is the referendum honoured and implemented. If that means no deal then that is better than being run by an unelected EU Commission and seeing our troops serve in an EU Army commanded by an Italian General.

A) The unelected EU commission has to be voted to be approved by elected people, anything they want has to be approved by the elected members again
B) Anytime an EU army has been brought up we've used our veto to stop it, No brexit = no chance of EU army. Brexit = chance of EU army
C) The donor could be anyone and as they are a a large donator they can start putting pressure to get policies that they want so maybe you should care slightly if you're voting for them

An EU Commissioner is appointed by a member state. There is no direct democratic way of voting them in or out. They decide EU Law and then it is passed to the EU Parliament to debate and RECOMMEND amendments in the same way as the House of Lords. The EU Parliament has no direct law making powers for example a private members bill cannot be brought forward like it can in the House of Commons. If the EU Commission make a bad law there is no way the population of the EU can directly change them as we can at a General Election. By definition that is undemocratic.

An EU Army will happen one day despite what the UK might want. I remember when the Customs Union and Single Market were talked of in similar terms but they happened as the UK signed away more of it's sovereignty in the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties.

As the donor wants the same thing as me i.e. to get out of the EU then the only reason to care who they are is to thank them

While I understand the resentment following the EU referendum, I find it incredible that so many on this forum would give their vote to a party with only ONE policy! A party run by a very charismatic, clever but dangerous individual. But then Hitler was elected democratically too he was also charismatic, dangerous and very clever and we know what happened after he was elected. I'm sure our fathers who fought Fascism are spinning in their graves at the thought that their sons and daughters are moving towards the same evil that they fought so hard against.

When anyone uses Hitler or the Second World War as justification for their argument they immediately lose all credibility

The historical events of the 1920/30's which lead to the rise of Hitler and the Nazi Party has no direct bearing on what is happening in the first decades of the 21st Century. Honestly do you really believe Nigel Farage is someone who will set up concentration camps to systematically kill 6 million Jews and invade both France and Russia?

By all means put up a counter argument but leave WWII and Hitler out of the argument.

So over half of the people who've voted want 5 years of a party who have one policy: 'brexit'. Not even how they'll implement it, farage has said about a second referendum but I imagine most voters would want an immediate exit.
They won't even say who their big donor is.

I couldn't give a toss who the donor is all I want is the referendum honoured and implemented. If that means no deal then that is better than being run by an unelected EU Commission and seeing our troops serve in an EU Army commanded by an Italian General.

A) The unelected EU commission has to be voted to be approved by elected people, anything they want has to be approved by the elected members again
B) Anytime an EU army has been brought up we've used our veto to stop it, No brexit = no chance of EU army. Brexit = chance of EU army
C) The donor could be anyone and as they are a a large donator they can start putting pressure to get policies that they want so maybe you should care slightly if you're voting for them

Yep commission voted for by elected EU mps! So the people have no choice of who sets out the laws but rely on true honest politicians to make that choice?
Same type of politicians who have ignored the wishes of the people..... as for EU army let them have it without us because it will be a bottomless cheque as only several countries could afford to pay into it plus Germany cannot send fighting men into a war situation as constitution doesnt allow it.... So muggins will put in majority of personel in doubt

While I understand the resentment following the EU referendum, I find it incredible that so many on this forum would give their vote to a party with only ONE policy! A party run by a very charismatic, clever but dangerous individual. But then Hitler was elected democratically too he was also charismatic, dangerous and very clever and we know what happened after he was elected. I'm sure our fathers who fought Fascism are spinning in their graves at the thought that their sons and daughters are moving towards the same evil that they fought so hard against.

When anyone uses Hitler or the Second World War as justification for their argument they immediately lose all credibility

The historical events of the 1920/30's which lead to the rise of Hitler and the Nazi Party has no direct bearing on what is happening in the first decades of the 21st Century. Honestly do you really believe Nigel Farage is someone who will set up concentration camps to systematically kill 6 million Jews and invade both France and Russia?

By all means put up a counter argument but leave WWII and Hitler out of the argument.

But the similarities are all there, recessions, austerity, discontent, blaming others for our misfortunes (it was the Jews then but now Islam). However you put it Farage is a far right politician and a dangerous one at that. The frightening thing about all this is people saying "the historical events of the 1920/30's which lead to the rise of Hitler and the Nazi Party has no direct bearing on what is happening in the first decades of the 21st Century," while it's happening all around us.
Be honest Brexit was all about English Nationalism again there's a dangerous similarity there too.

If Nigel farage is far right ... Which personally I do not think be is. To this point of my life I've never voted for him or one of his parties.

What is Kate hoey?