“ What has changed? “

Changed a winning team needlessly

Did you not listen to his post-match interviews?

Changes were forced upon him, as they were for the Watford game!

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What really annoyes me, is that we win the ball, then instead of holding it and looking for the pass, its lumped forward, we are just creating our own pressure.

But that's exactly the difference with having Morrison at CB and the Manga/Bamba partnership.

Manga and Bamba can play with the ball at their feet, Morrison can't and it then effects the whole set-up as we revert to long humps forward that rarely reach another City player's feet.

Morrison wasn't giving the ball away last night though! Bamba, did on two occassions and it's already been explained that Morrison has only been rushed back into the team, as Peltier is not 100% fit. So, Bamba has to play at right back.

What really annoyes me, is that we win the ball, then instead of holding it and looking for the pass, its lumped forward, we are just creating our own pressure.

But that's exactly the difference with having Morrison at CB and the Manga/Bamba partnership.

Manga and Bamba can play with the ball at their feet, Morrison can't and it then effects the whole set-up as we revert to long humps forward that rarely reach another City player's feet.

Morrison wasn't giving the ball away last night though! Bamba, did on two occassions and it's already been explained that Morrison has only been rushed back into the team, as Peltier is not 100% fit. So, Bamba has to play at right back.

Seems to be falling on some pretty deaf ears, fella!

Morrison DID give the ball away. They all did. But he definitely did too.

I think a major issue is because he lacks pace we defend deep to try and offset he can't recover as quickly. That slows everything down and we can't get forward fast enough when we have a chance too.

What really annoyes me, is that we win the ball, then instead of holding it and looking for the pass, its lumped forward, we are just creating our own pressure.

But that's exactly the difference with having Morrison at CB and the Manga/Bamba partnership.

Manga and Bamba can play with the ball at their feet, Morrison can't and it then effects the whole set-up as we revert to long humps forward that rarely reach another City player's feet.

Morrison wasn't giving the ball away last night though! Bamba, did on two occassions and it's already been explained that Morrison has only been rushed back into the team, as Peltier is not 100% fit. So, Bamba has to play at right back.

Seems to be falling on some pretty deaf ears, fella!

Not deaf ears just a different view of the game.

I haven't even touched on the fact that the whole team set-up has to drop deeper when Morrison plays CB simply because he hasn't got the pace so we have to limit the space behind the back four. That leaves us more stretched with more space in midfield for opposition midfielders to pick up the ball and run at us and less support for our front players.

All about opinions but if you think that a CB pairing that has let in 8 goals in two games at home against Watford and Everton is beyond criticism then crack on !!!

What really annoyes me, is that we win the ball, then instead of holding it and looking for the pass, its lumped forward, we are just creating our own pressure.

But that's exactly the difference with having Morrison at CB and the Manga/Bamba partnership.

Manga and Bamba can play with the ball at their feet, Morrison can't and it then effects the whole set-up as we revert to long humps forward that rarely reach another City player's feet.

Morrison wasn't giving the ball away last night though! Bamba, did on two occassions and it's already been explained that Morrison has only been rushed back into the team, as Peltier is not 100% fit. So, Bamba has to play at right back.

Seems to be falling on some pretty deaf ears, fella!

Not deaf ears just a different view of the game.

I haven't even touched on the fact that the whole team set-up has to drop deeper when Morrison plays CB simply because he hasn't got the pace so we have to limit the space behind the back four. That leaves us more stretched with more space in midfield for opposition midfielders to pick up the ball and run at us and less support for our front players.

All about opinions but if you think that a CB pairing that has let in 8 goals in two games at home against Watford and Everton is beyond criticism then crack on !!!

Which imho is exactly what our problem is.

Look at ralls. He was poor for most of the season.

Morrison is out. We have a higher line and all of a sudden he was looking good.

Our best performances cam with ralls and not camarasa in midfield. And I like camarasa, just making the point I feel the issue is further back than midfield.

The problem over the last 2 games is pretty obvious to see and fix

1. Morrison is not fit and should not be playing

2. Manga and Bamba are the best centre back partnership we have at the club and need to start.

3. Play a proper right back at right back.

4. Bacuna is not good enough at this level to compete with world class players, Arter and Gunnar are far superior and should play EVERY game unless injured.

5. Reid and Niasse should play as a pair upfront going forward

The only point of yours I disagree with is point 4, Bacuna is a great player and has more premier league experience than any of our other midfielders bar Arter. The rest of your points are spot on.
I don’t understand why Warnock changed the team for Watford and he brought back Morrison far too early, should have been on the bench at the most and blend him back in if anything.

I'm surprised no one is mentioning the 'break' or 'time off' the players were given after the Southampton game. I guess deep down I understand the thinking behind it, but at the time I thought it was a strange decision giving players time to rest and do god knows what on the various trips abroad when they should have been training.
Just watching the warmup verus Watford the majority of the team looked half asleep.. Some of the shooting practice even had the crowd laughing (those not in fear of getting hit be stray balls!).
I might be wrong.. But hasn't this happend a couple of times.. When the team has been given mid season time off they come back and play like shit,im Sure there was a famous Amsterdam trip before a game versus Preston when we good hammered 4-1 at home?

Another terrible performance and result tonight. Everton weren’t great, and were very much beatable.

Yet before these two games, we were playing really well and had a couple of great results.

So what has changed since then? It’s mostly the same players in the team.

The manager will rightly take much of the blame, not for only for his tactics, but it’s his job to keep the momentum going during the break - he failed.

Whats changed is,

1. One player out against parent club.
2. One player killed.
3. One midfield player won't play because his personal trainers think he's injured
4. One midfield player off form
5. One midfield player injured
6. One midfield player struggling to keep up due to age
7. One midfield player signed as a last resort on transfer day isn't much good at football.
5. Club captain playing after surgery when most people would still be in hospital
6. Best central defender having to play full back, because...
7. One full back out injured.
8. Manager discouraged because everyone is blaming him for not picking Ronaldo and Gareth Bale, or other players not available to him.

I agreed with you till I started writing that ,but I think I've changed my own mind by doing so because when you think about it like that, I don't know what else could have been done.

Another terrible performance and result tonight. Everton weren’t great, and were very much beatable.

Yet before these two games, we were playing really well and had a couple of great results.

So what has changed since then? It’s mostly the same players in the team.

The manager will rightly take much of the blame, not for only for his tactics, but it’s his job to keep the momentum going during the break - he failed.

their team cost in excess of £200m. they had match winners. they had players on the bench that cost £27m each. warnock does not have that quality of player. a very poor performance will usually result in a hammering at this level.

we played very poorly, and playing against finishers of the quality of sigurddson, walcott etc means you get punished. whereas you may get away with a bore draw against the likes of huddersfield, burnley etc and everyone is instead talking about how the team grind out a point despite being poor.

Bacuna played well from where I was sat.
The best crosses we’ve had all season including Victors.
Comfortable on the ball. Hard tackling, unfair yellow card early on.
Can only think it’s the Warnock negativos again.
In Warnock we trust.
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