“ Warnock has to take responsibility “

Hands up who can't wait for VAR

That was absolutely shocking we give warnok credit when we win or play well and lose ,but tonight was shocking no shape no formation playing so defensively and negative it was embarrassing to watch sorry warnok but that was shit poor and shows u are right when u say your self u are not a premier League manenger, but hay ho if it was not for you our club would still be in the shit, we are in a better place because of you no matter if we go done we are in a better place to build a new team with a manager that plays football as old school football does not work in the premier League.

Also, what’s happened to Murphy? He’s a shadow of the player he was at the start of the season, his confidence is on the floor

Nice post Sir Jimmy but why couldn't NW have kept the same line tonight (notwithstanding any injuries)?
We don't have the depth in quality to change such crucial positions game by game.
Wolves have more or less kept a consistent starting 11 and done pretty well out of it.
Our goals conceded overall could be what really finishes our season unless we get a grip and instill some basic solidity, composure and positional awareness.
Sorry if i haven't cheered you up!

Of course you're right this is not important compared to real life atrocity going on in our world. Perspective is needed but we took a right beating by some Herberts from bloody Hertfordshire!

‪Warnock messed up big time accomodating Morrison , should never have changed the team that won two on the bounce , will he have the bollocks to drop him on Tuesday? based on what he said previous , if he’s fit he’s in my side !!!‬

I don't think anyone seen that team before the game and thought yes that's right. So many weird decisions, no Reid who has been excellent. What was going on down the right Bacuna, Paterson at times. Totally wrong line up and tactics. This one's down to wanrock.

My first time to bemoan Warnock, blind faith in Morrison, as the old saying goes,if it ain't broke don't fix it in all honesty,when the line up was announced,I knew we would lose,but not by that score,defensively as bad as Fulham, who thankfully also lost,to keep the gap at 8 points,but truthfully,I predicted a 2-2 draw And was hoping we would possibly sneak it,and with fulham losing,we could have ended up 11 points clear of them,a great gap at this stage,never mind,roll on tuesday

Reid should feel really hard done by being dropped. Paterson is too ineffective playing on the wing. His strengths are in the air, not pace, so to put him out on the wing he’s not being played to his strengths. I don’t understand why Morrison is straight back in and also captain. From what I’ve its Sol whose the loudest vocally in the team and is always organising and I think he did enough to keep the captaincy after the whole Sala tragedy and the way he lead the team on and off the pitch. Delefeou was always going to be the danger man so I can’t believe we made it so easy for him

Hands up who can't wait for VAR

With Peltier not on the bench would suggest he was injured which means NW was forced in to playing Morrison or Bacuna, I dont believe Gunnerson or Ried were at the races in the last game

With Peltier not on the bench would suggest he was injured which means NW was forced in to playing Morrison or Bacuna, I dont believe Gunnerson or Ried were at the races in the last game

Maybe they wasnt at races but we won the 2 games with them in team put Morrison in and hey presto concede 5 and looked a shambles coincidence??

I completely agree with JimmyScholar, the manager got it wrong, as we all do from time to time, it happens. To call for his head or rip into him is lame and unjustified. He made a mistake, I'm sure he will accept it but at half time it should have been 1 all, if the pen was awarded, we wouldn't have been chasing a goal and left ourselves so exposed at the back. So maybe with a nailed on pen and possible sending off Warnock just may have got away with his selection.

He will rectify it Tuesday against Everton who are nowhere near as good as Watford.


In Warnock I trust, come what may.

Its been a very long time since i have seen fans leaving so early in the game 60 mins and the place was emptying the canton end was the quietest i have heard this season and no wonder no reid ,gunarraon, peltier, a winning tean why change, wait until it goes tits up before a change and no way morrison should have come straight back in, worse selection tactically this season by a country mile .

With Peltier not on the bench would suggest he was injured which means NW was forced in to playing Morrison or Bacuna, I dont believe Gunnerson or Ried were at the races in the last game

Maybe they wasnt at races but we won the 2 games with them in team put Morrison in and hey presto concede 5 and looked a shambles coincidence??

We won the game when they were subbed

Positives: Bacuna, Sol, Arter and early second half pressing.
Negatives: poor team selection and substitutes, individual errors that gave them three goals. Should have stuck with recent back four. Sean not fit yet. Missed Camarasa’s creativity and Gunnarson’s doggedness.
Other: another crap ref. Simon Hooper. Definite pen and looked like a red card for last man foul on Niasse. Would have turned the game. 1-1 HT vs ten men.
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With Peltier not on the bench would suggest he was injured which means NW was forced in to playing Morrison or Bacuna, I dont believe Gunnerson or Ried were at the races in the last game

Maybe they wasnt at races but we won the 2 games with them in team put Morrison in and hey presto concede 5 and looked a shambles coincidence??

We won the game when they were subbed

Doesn't matter if won after subbed at least we were in game at that time to have chance to win it because we were stronger in defence... To night his contribution was nil unless you class throw ins as useful ? We were dissjointed hesitant without same team that played last 2 games or are you suggesting we only won game because they went off?
and Morrison didn't weaken our defence tonight?

I did ask the question would the fa cup break be good or bad and i thought it would be bad as we where on a roll ,and also said the biggest threat was Delefeo unfortunatly i got it right which i take no pleasure from, a 3 hour drive home p.ssed off with alteration of a winning team.

Look this is simple !!
The only people who care are fans fact in every football club !
Warnock got sacked 2mor & he was offered another job they would be best fans club in World his words !
Players if they are on 25k at Cardiff & Jacks offered them 35k s week good bye Cardiff it’s just a job like us all we would go !!

Tonight’s team selection was baffling and the performance showed just how the right system is as important as the players on the pitch.

He should never have changed a winning side and a winning formation. This obsession Warnock has with a 5 at the back is strange. We simply don’t have players capable of playing that system. Morrison was inept and his lack of pace means we have to play so much deeper than we were with Bamba and Manga. Bacuna and Bennett did okay but neither are able to balance they’re attacking/ defensive responsibilities. Peltier hasn’t put a foot wrong in our recent run so I’d put him back in asap. We need to go with a flat back four and go back to what has been working recently, in having a solid defensive base. We need bodies in midfield (at least 3) so that we allow at least one player to be able to create (i.e. Ralls or Cama). Any time we’ve played with 2, Ralls has always been poor because he’s always swarmed by the opposing CMs. We desperately missed Gunnar tonight with the way he protects the defence and also provides the creative players with the freedom to play. Reid/ Niasse HAVE to play together, they’ve been forming a great partnership in recent weeks. Murphy has seemed to stop going outside of players and constantly cuts inside and plays unconvincing crosses which are usually cleared with ease. He needs to rediscover his confidence. Paterson is great in away games but maybe at home we should go with NML due to his pace and power.

As for the system, teams like Watford, who’s players constantly rotate positions and play fluid attacking football expose just how limited Warnock is tactically. This man marking system may work against teams who sit back against us but it has been exposed time and time again throughout the season, we’ve just been ridiculously lucky on most of those occasions. Against Southampton, it caused us to stand off they’re attacking players and only the poor finishing of Redmond/ Valery let us off the hook. Nearly every game, we just seem to back off players until they get into the box and Bamba makes a last ditch tackle or we just mark them so tightly that the free man arrives in acres of space. At least three of they’re goals tonight came from Deulofeu breaking free in behind our wingbacks due to Bennett/ Bacuna following they’re man so tightly. At one point Bennett was in CM whilst Ralls was at LB. In the games we’ve been truly battered (Watford, Man City, United, Spurs, Newcastle) they’re goals have come directly from Warnock’s archaic man marking system. For example. Schar’s dribble and goal at Newcastle occurred because nobody wanted to leave their man to close him down.

To be honest, i don’t mean to bash Warnock because he’s worked miracles to even keep us in with a shout of safety. I just think that sometimes he does make odd decisions and rarely takes responsibility for anything. I hope that he never goes with this system again this season and sticks with Bamba and Manga. After all, the real leader over the last month has been Sol. He needs to stick with what has been working. Although, in terms of picking up the players after tonight, there’s no one I’d trust more than him.

Tonight’s team selection was baffling and the performance showed just how the right system is as important as the players on the pitch.

He should never have changed a winning side and a winning formation. This obsession Warnock has with a 5 at the back is strange. We simply don’t have players capable of playing that system. Morrison was inept and his lack of pace means we have to play so much deeper than we were with Bamba and Manga. Bacuna and Bennett did okay but neither are able to balance they’re attacking/ defensive responsibilities. Peltier hasn’t put a foot wrong in our recent run so I’d put him back in asap. We need to go with a flat back four and go back to what has been working recently, in having a solid defensive base. We need bodies in midfield (at least 3) so that we allow at least one player to be able to create (i.e. Ralls or Cama). Any time we’ve played with 2, Ralls has always been poor because he’s always swarmed by the opposing CMs. We desperately missed Gunnar tonight with the way he protects the defence and also provides the creative players with the freedom to play. Reid/ Niasse HAVE to play together, they’ve been forming a great partnership in recent weeks. Murphy has seemed to stop going outside of players and constantly cuts inside and plays unconvincing crosses which are usually cleared with ease. He needs to rediscover his confidence. Paterson is great in away games but maybe at home we should go with NML due to his pace and power.

As for the system, teams like Watford, who’s players constantly rotate positions and play fluid attacking football expose just how limited Warnock is tactically. This man marking system may work against teams who sit back against us but it has been exposed time and time again throughout the season, we’ve just been ridiculously lucky on most of those occasions. Against Southampton, it caused us to stand off they’re attacking players and only the poor finishing of Redmond/ Valery let us off the hook. Nearly every game, we just seem to back off players until they get into the box and Bamba makes a last ditch tackle or we just mark them so tightly that the free man arrives in acres of space. At least three of they’re goals tonight came from Deulofeu breaking free in behind our wingbacks due to Bennett/ Bacuna following they’re man so tightly. At one point Bennett was in CM whilst Ralls was at LB. In the games we’ve been truly battered (Watford, Man City, United, Spurs, Newcastle) they’re goals have come directly from Warnock’s archaic man marking system. For example. Schar’s dribble and goal at Newcastle occurred because nobody wanted to leave their man to close him down.

To be honest, i don’t mean to bash Warnock because he’s worked miracles to even keep us in with a shout of safety. I just think that sometimes he does make odd decisions and rarely takes responsibility for anything. I hope that he never goes with this system again this season and sticks with Bamba and Manga. After all, the real leader over the last month has been Sol. He needs to stick with what has been working. Although, in terms of picking up the players after tonight, there’s no one I’d trust more than him.

it actually exposes how limited our squad is.
what he has done here ,including this season so far has exceeded all expectations mate.
how many of our team do you think Watford might be interested in buying ?

This is a terrible result. The scoreline makes that obvious.

Going into this we had won two in a row, yet Warnock drops Reid and Gunnarsson - arguably our best players from those games.

He seemed desperate to put Morrison in tonight, fit or not, when Bamba and Manga had a good partnership recently.

I saw someone post before the match something like this - “Whatever the result, Warnock will still be one of our best ever managers.” Sorry, I don’t see the logic in that. He does not get a free pass.

There is one man who is mostly responsible for tonight and it’s the manager for his team selection.

Hopefully he sees sense in time for Everton on Tuesday.

well we lost 5 goals to one and I think he is still one of our best managers.
over achieved the 1st year
did it again last year
and with the players available is doing it again this year..thats not a FREE PASS..thats trying to come up with something week in and week out to beat better teams ,and he just might beat enough for us to stay up.

yes it can go horribly wrong..but I expected that and most people I spoke to at start of season were expecting it too..


so if he is responsible for anything its raising the expectations of the level of miracles he can pull off.

Tonight’s team selection was baffling and the performance showed just how the right system is as important as the players on the pitch.

He should never have changed a winning side and a winning formation. This obsession Warnock has with a 5 at the back is strange. We simply don’t have players capable of playing that system. Morrison was inept and his lack of pace means we have to play so much deeper than we were with Bamba and Manga. Bacuna and Bennett did okay but neither are able to balance they’re attacking/ defensive responsibilities. Peltier hasn’t put a foot wrong in our recent run so I’d put him back in asap. We need to go with a flat back four and go back to what has been working recently, in having a solid defensive base. We need bodies in midfield (at least 3) so that we allow at least one player to be able to create (i.e. Ralls or Cama). Any time we’ve played with 2, Ralls has always been poor because he’s always swarmed by the opposing CMs. We desperately missed Gunnar tonight with the way he protects the defence and also provides the creative players with the freedom to play. Reid/ Niasse HAVE to play together, they’ve been forming a great partnership in recent weeks. Murphy has seemed to stop going outside of players and constantly cuts inside and plays unconvincing crosses which are usually cleared with ease. He needs to rediscover his confidence. Paterson is great in away games but maybe at home we should go with NML due to his pace and power.

As for the system, teams like Watford, who’s players constantly rotate positions and play fluid attacking football expose just how limited Warnock is tactically. This man marking system may work against teams who sit back against us but it has been exposed time and time again throughout the season, we’ve just been ridiculously lucky on most of those occasions. Against Southampton, it caused us to stand off they’re attacking players and only the poor finishing of Redmond/ Valery let us off the hook. Nearly every game, we just seem to back off players until they get into the box and Bamba makes a last ditch tackle or we just mark them so tightly that the free man arrives in acres of space. At least three of they’re goals tonight came from Deulofeu breaking free in behind our wingbacks due to Bennett/ Bacuna following they’re man so tightly. At one point Bennett was in CM whilst Ralls was at LB. In the games we’ve been truly battered (Watford, Man City, United, Spurs, Newcastle) they’re goals have come directly from Warnock’s archaic man marking system. For example. Schar’s dribble and goal at Newcastle occurred because nobody wanted to leave their man to close him down.

To be honest, i don’t mean to bash Warnock because he’s worked miracles to even keep us in with a shout of safety. I just think that sometimes he does make odd decisions and rarely takes responsibility for anything. I hope that he never goes with this system again this season and sticks with Bamba and Manga. After all, the real leader over the last month has been Sol. He needs to stick with what has been working. Although, in terms of picking up the players after tonight, there’s no one I’d trust more than him.

it actually exposes how limited our squad is.
what he has done here ,including this season so far has exceeded all expectations mate.
how many of our team do you think Watford might be interested in buying ?

Yeah i agree which is why it feels wrong to have a go at him but i just feel that no matter what sort of state the squad is in, when you’ve got the entire fanbase having the same questions and criticism of the selection then you have probably got it very wrong.

Tonight’s team selection was baffling and the performance showed just how the right system is as important as the players on the pitch.

He should never have changed a winning side and a winning formation. This obsession Warnock has with a 5 at the back is strange. We simply don’t have players capable of playing that system. Morrison was inept and his lack of pace means we have to play so much deeper than we were with Bamba and Manga. Bacuna and Bennett did okay but neither are able to balance they’re attacking/ defensive responsibilities. Peltier hasn’t put a foot wrong in our recent run so I’d put him back in asap. We need to go with a flat back four and go back to what has been working recently, in having a solid defensive base. We need bodies in midfield (at least 3) so that we allow at least one player to be able to create (i.e. Ralls or Cama). Any time we’ve played with 2, Ralls has always been poor because he’s always swarmed by the opposing CMs. We desperately missed Gunnar tonight with the way he protects the defence and also provides the creative players with the freedom to play. Reid/ Niasse HAVE to play together, they’ve been forming a great partnership in recent weeks. Murphy has seemed to stop going outside of players and constantly cuts inside and plays unconvincing crosses which are usually cleared with ease. He needs to rediscover his confidence. Paterson is great in away games but maybe at home we should go with NML due to his pace and power.

As for the system, teams like Watford, who’s players constantly rotate positions and play fluid attacking football expose just how limited Warnock is tactically. This man marking system may work against teams who sit back against us but it has been exposed time and time again throughout the season, we’ve just been ridiculously lucky on most of those occasions. Against Southampton, it caused us to stand off they’re attacking players and only the poor finishing of Redmond/ Valery let us off the hook. Nearly every game, we just seem to back off players until they get into the box and Bamba makes a last ditch tackle or we just mark them so tightly that the free man arrives in acres of space. At least three of they’re goals tonight came from Deulofeu breaking free in behind our wingbacks due to Bennett/ Bacuna following they’re man so tightly. At one point Bennett was in CM whilst Ralls was at LB. In the games we’ve been truly battered (Watford, Man City, United, Spurs, Newcastle) they’re goals have come directly from Warnock’s archaic man marking system. For example. Schar’s dribble and goal at Newcastle occurred because nobody wanted to leave their man to close him down.

To be honest, i don’t mean to bash Warnock because he’s worked miracles to even keep us in with a shout of safety. I just think that sometimes he does make odd decisions and rarely takes responsibility for anything. I hope that he never goes with this system again this season and sticks with Bamba and Manga. After all, the real leader over the last month has been Sol. He needs to stick with what has been working. Although, in terms of picking up the players after tonight, there’s no one I’d trust more than him.

it actually exposes how limited our squad is.
what he has done here ,including this season so far has exceeded all expectations mate.
how many of our team do you think Watford might be interested in buying ?

Yeah i agree which is why it feels wrong to have a go at him but i just feel that no matter what sort of state the squad is in, when you’ve got the entire fanbase having the same questions and criticism of the selection then you have probably got it very wrong.

since his arrival there have been many teams picked that left people scratching their heads..we win, no meltdown..we lose and its meltdown.

I completely agree with JimmyScholar, the manager got it wrong, as we all do from time to time, it happens. To call for his head or rip into him is lame and unjustified. He made a mistake, I'm sure he will accept it but at half time it should have been 1 all, if the pen was awarded, we wouldn't have been chasing a goal and left ourselves so exposed at the back. So maybe with a nailed on pen and possible sending off Warnock just may have got away with his selection.

He will rectify it Tuesday against Everton who are nowhere near as good as Watford.


In Warnock I trust, come what may.

Warnock isn't exempt from criticism because he got us promoted.The points being made about selection and tactics are all fully justified.

Your point about it should have been nailed on penalty and gone in 1-1 at half time is completely irrelevant people miss penalties.

I didn't say he's exempt from criticism, I said laying into hon and calling for his head is unjustified. I said he got it wrong but mocking what he's going to say to the press and calling for his head like some previous posters have is absolute bollocks, if people know anything about football.
I understand people miss pens but we would have more than a decent chance at going in all square at half time which puts a different perspective on the game.
I'm not sure how that could be construed as incorrect?

I didn't say he's exempt from criticism, I said laying into hon and calling for his head is unjustified. I said he got it wrong but mocking what he's going to say to the press and calling for his head like some previous posters have is absolute bollocks, if people know anything about football.
I understand people miss pens but we would have more than a decent chance at going in all square at half time which puts a different perspective on the game.
I'm not sure how that could be construed as incorrect?

You said nobody should be ripping into him, why not? We just lost at home 5-1 and not to a top 6 team. His team selection cost us with continued loyalty to certain players. Ripping him about that game is justified but I'll agree calling for his head is just ridiculous given we're in a better position than I thought we'd be.

Our penalty stat is we convert 66% so it's never a given.

Also, what’s happened to Murphy? He’s a shadow of the player he was at the start of the season, his confidence is on the floor

He was class literally one game ago.

I think we are disagreeing on the context of wording. What I said was laying into him, I was surprised by the line up and messaged my mate to say he's accommodating Morrison, which is criticising him however I think some of the vitriol because of a bad display is unjustified.
As I say I will support him until the mistakes outweigh the good hes done for our club, so hes in credit for me.
Our peno conversation is not the greatest however that would still mean we would have had a 2 out 3 chance at going in level which would have changed the perspective of the game.

This is 100% NOT a ‘Warnock Out’ post, but for me he got he totally wrong.

We can argue about team selection, my opinion is Mendez Lang and Reid should both be starting, but that wasn’t the biggest issue for me.

The way we set up was really confusing and it was clear to me the players were just as confused. I’ve never seen so many players dragged out of position and leaving gaps al over the pitch.

Even more disappointing was that Warnock couldn’t see it, and I base that on the fact he didn’t change it.

Forget about the penalty, yes it was nailed on certainty, because I am sure the result (maybe not the score line) would have been the same.

Watford were excellent and clinical, but I believe we helped significantly by giving them so much space to play in. On the few occasions we held our shape and pressed them on the ball, they could not play their passing game and looked as if we could do something.

I have to mention Arter at this point, 100% commitment and always at their heals but a lot of the time he runs around like a headless chicken and constantly out of position leaving big gaps. When he is on the ball he needs to play quick ball more, on a number of occasions he was slow in his distribution. I would seriously consider benching him, and starting with Gunnarsson.

We showed in the previous 2 games that we can play football, and move the ball around at speed which causes defences a headache. Let’s get back to that please.

Play Niasse with either Zohore or Reid, and let’s get in the faces of the opposition.

Big fan of Warnock but he seems to want Morrison to play come what may.....we have looked more solid without him so strange to change....
Think Morrison has been out of his depth all season tbh..
Bobby Reid was starting to prove himself in last couple of games and then gets dropped again....lad
deserves a run of games to show what he can do for us...
We need goals and he had just started scoring....