Cardiff could be docked points if they do not pay for Sala

Let's just pay the 15m and move on. Tan get your wallet out.

He was our player. Pay the money.

He was our player. Pay the money.

Why shpuld cardiff pay the money ? Surely the insurance should either the club's or planes ? This aint let pay a 20 pound bet it's 15 m8llion over 3 years I bet there death clause in the contract too ,I think its right cardiff want an investigation

He was our player. Pay the money.

Why shpuld cardiff pay the money ? Surely the insurance should either the club's or planes ? This aint let pay a 20 pound bet it's 15 m8llion over 3 years I bet there death clause in the contract too ,I think its right cardiff want an investigation

Wez, I agree that it all needs to be looked at first but if the club have signed the contract then they need to pay the associated invoice. It's not FC Nantes fault that the tragedy occurred and the transaction was agreed in good faith

For Cardiff City (nee Vincent Tan) to baulk on the deal would maybe have both moral, legal and footballing repercussions going forward

We currently have the footballing community with us (as have FC Nantes) but who would want to deal with us in the future, if were were perceived as having done anything wrong?

It was hard enough in the window just gone!

The wording is "COULD be docked points"

Just someone scare mongering I reckon.

Firstly, Le Monde, shut up you horrible wind up merchant.
Secondly, this lawyer has nothing, ziltch, nowt, to do with Nantes so ignore.
Thirdly, and on a lighter note that was the longest I've seen us talked about on ITV news @6.

We have not refused to pay. We have not refused to pay.We have not refused to pay. CLEAR NOW.

It's irrelevant as we have already said we ARE going to pay the transfer fee...

the trouble is the transition as you put it had taken place 3 days prior. using your awful example ,you get the tv,it works, then it gets broke while transporting it elsewhere, you owe currys the money.

That is one way of looking at it but there is another argument that as ES had never taken part in a training session or played any minutes on the field; in football terms he hadn't actually arrived officially at the club.

Personally I wonder if the real reason Nantes are putting pressure on us is because they are getting pressure from the greedy agents who acted for them for payment?

the trouble is the transition as you put it had taken place 3 days prior. using your awful example ,you get the tv,it works, then it gets broke while transporting it elsewhere, you owe currys the money.

That is one way of looking at it but there is another argument that as ES had never taken part in a training session or played any minutes on the field; in football terms he hadn't actually arrived officially at the club.

Personally I wonder if the real reason Nantes are putting pressure on us is because they are getting pressure from the greedy agents who acted for them for payment?

He is our player the moment the paperwork is signed off - we owe the fee there is no question and we have said we are going to pay it.

He was our player. Pay the money.

If ES had taken part in a training session or played any kind of minutes on the pitch I would agree. But he didn't so the claim he was 'our player' is a bit grey as is our liability to pay the transfer fee now.

As an injured party in this sad episode the club is acting responsibly by insisting a full investigation is carried out before liability for the transfer fee is determined. Also the family could be due compensation if blame is apportioned to one of the agents or the owners of the plane.

the trouble is the transition as you put it had taken place 3 days prior. using your awful example ,you get the tv,it works, then it gets broke while transporting it elsewhere, you owe currys the money.

That is one way of looking at it but there is another argument that as ES had never taken part in a training session or played any minutes on the field; in football terms he hadn't actually arrived officially at the club.

Personally I wonder if the real reason Nantes are putting pressure on us is because they are getting pressure from the greedy agents who acted for them for payment?

He is our player the moment the paperwork is signed off - we owe the fee there is no question and we have said we are going to pay it.

A contract was signed but that is not the end of the matter it has to be honoured. That means the player would have to arrive in Cardiff fit and well and take part in training sessions and play games. I assume that is why payment is generally made 7 days after the signing and not at the time of signing,

Wales Online suggesting the key issues behind the suspension of the first fee instalment are whether the transfer had been registered with the Premier League before the plane crash and the role of agents in the whole situation. I wonder if that includes the role of Mark McKay as the agent working for Nantes in the transfer who also arranged the fatal flight, and any insurance implications?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... f-15798738

Everyone is speculating without certain knowledge. But I believe the claims that the club have taken detailed legal advice and have also consulted with the Premier league and are confident that there will be no sanctions whilst they investigate the questions that may have a bearing on their liability to Nantes and others.

the trouble is the transition as you put it had taken place 3 days prior. using your awful example ,you get the tv,it works, then it gets broke while transporting it elsewhere, you owe currys the money.

That is one way of looking at it but there is another argument that as ES had never taken part in a training session or played any minutes on the field; in football terms he hadn't actually arrived officially at the club.

Personally I wonder if the real reason Nantes are putting pressure on us is because they are getting pressure from the greedy agents who acted for them for payment?

He is our player the moment the paperwork is signed off - we owe the fee there is no question and we have said we are going to pay it.

A contract was signed but that is not the end of the matter it has to be honoured. That means the player would have to arrive in Cardiff fit and well and take part in training sessions and play games. I assume that is why payment is generally made 7 days after the signing and not at the time of signing,

I recall my exams linked to my job, one of the subjects being Principles of Law. A very basic introduction to the subject, but even so I still found it quite confusing and difficult. Trying to use common sense and what I thought was just and fair would have got me nowhere. A very strange subject with outcomes to cases often the opposite to what I would have anticipated them to be. I know contract law is complicated, and I could'nt hazard a guess to where this will lead. I am sure everyone involved will have highly qualified and highly paid solicitors on the case, and as others have said, this could drag on for quite some time.

the trouble is the transition as you put it had taken place 3 days prior. using your awful example ,you get the tv,it works, then it gets broke while transporting it elsewhere, you owe currys the money.

That is one way of looking at it but there is another argument that as ES had never taken part in a training session or played any minutes on the field; in football terms he hadn't actually arrived officially at the club.

Personally I wonder if the real reason Nantes are putting pressure on us is because they are getting pressure from the greedy agents who acted for them for payment?

Using dogfound's analogy, I guess it could be similarly argued that if you bought the TV from Currys, signed up for the credit agreement but the TV was never delivered due to it being irreparably damaged in transit, you would surely not be liable for said credit agreement unless a like-for-like replacement could be found?

I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I do know that the owner is not a happy man right now and he feels that he has been very let down by certain individuals involved in the process to the extent that he has even had sympathy from others who would usually dislike him intently

He said yesterday that the club (or he) would pay for the full repatriation of Emiliano Sala's remains and that (to me) doesn't sound like a man who is intent on reneging on any legally binding deal (and we can refer to the mess not of his own making that he sorted when he originally came to the club as evidence of his integrity on that front)

He was our player. Pay the money.

I agree. Nantes were not involved in the prelude to the accident and he’d signed for us. Any claims need to pursued via any negligent party, and that isn’t Nantes. I wonder if we’re again about to see tan at his most petulant, when he feels he has been let down financially.

the trouble is the transition as you put it had taken place 3 days prior. using your awful example ,you get the tv,it works, then it gets broke while transporting it elsewhere, you owe currys the money.

That is one way of looking at it but there is another argument that as ES had never taken part in a training session or played any minutes on the field; in football terms he hadn't actually arrived officially at the club.

Personally I wonder if the real reason Nantes are putting pressure on us is because they are getting pressure from the greedy agents who acted for them for payment?

Using dogfound's analogy, I guess it could be similarly argued that if you bought the TV from Currys, signed up for the credit agreement but the TV was never delivered due to it being irreparably damaged in transit, you would surely not be liable for said credit agreement unless a like-for-like replacement could be found?

I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I do know that the owner is not a happy man right now and he feels that he has been very let down by certain individuals involved in the process to the extent that he has even had sympathy from others who would usually dislike him intently

He said yesterday that the club (or he) would pay for the full repatriation of Emiliano Sala's remains and that (to me) doesn't sound like a man who is intent on reneging on any legally binding deal (and we can refer to the mess not of his own making that he sorted when he originally came to the club as evidence of his integrity on that front)

trouble is he arrived fit and well and even passed a medical which is more than you could say about Callum Patterson..

this broken / not fit for purpose damaged in transit ,doesnt wash.

maybe there are other reasons .


my analogy btw was a response to wolfpac...and no,you buy a tv from currys,it arrives ,it works, then YOU fed ex it to your mum and it breaks in transit...YOU STILL OWE CURRYS THE MONEY. and fed ex or fed ex insurance owes you.

Like I said in my previous post, law can be a strange subject with outcomes often completely opposite to what common sense says should be the outcome. None of us know what was in that contract, or exactly how far the transfer paperwork had progressed at the time of the accident. We will just have to wait and see what the professionals decide, and leave it to the experts who know what they are talking about. Whatever we post on here are just our opinions and pure guesswork. No point in having digs at anyone or either club as we are not in possession of the facts needed to even guess at how this will end.

Like I said in my previous post, law can be a strange subject with outcomes often completely opposite to what common sense says should be the outcome. None of us know what was in that contract, or exactly how far the transfer paperwork had progressed at the time of the accident. We will just have to wait and see what the professionals decide, and leave it to the experts who know what they are talking about. Whatever we post on here are just our opinions and pure guesswork. No point in having digs at anyone or either club as we are not in possession of the facts needed to even guess at how this will end.

well our club are going to look pretty stupid if they go down the road of...he wasn't our player..special permission to wear daffs again ?

Like I said in my previous post, law can be a strange subject with outcomes often completely opposite to what common sense says should be the outcome. None of us know what was in that contract, or exactly how far the transfer paperwork had progressed at the time of the accident. We will just have to wait and see what the professionals decide, and leave it to the experts who know what they are talking about. Whatever we post on here are just our opinions and pure guesswork. No point in having digs at anyone or either club as we are not in possession of the facts needed to even guess at how this will end.

well our club are going to look pretty stupid if they go down the road of...he wasn't our player..special permission to wear daffs again ?

I suppose what is not in doubt is that he was either our player, or about to become our player. Either way, his next appearance would have been for Cardiff, so I guess it's understandable that the club should be paying their respects, particularly as he was on his way here when this accident happened. If I was making a guess, I would opt for Cardiff being in a position where they will be told to make the payment to Nantes. However, I neither have enough knowledge of Law, or have any idea how far things had progressed to have any real idea as to what is going on behind the scenes. I honestly have not got a clue who is right and who is wrong, I don't even know on what grounds the club has refused to pay. From my point of view I think it's best left to the people who know what they are talking about rather than making a wild guess and looking a bit silly further down the line.

Like I said in my previous post, law can be a strange subject with outcomes often completely opposite to what common sense says should be the outcome. None of us know what was in that contract, or exactly how far the transfer paperwork had progressed at the time of the accident. We will just have to wait and see what the professionals decide, and leave it to the experts who know what they are talking about. Whatever we post on here are just our opinions and pure guesswork. No point in having digs at anyone or either club as we are not in possession of the facts needed to even guess at how this will end.

well our club are going to look pretty stupid if they go down the road of...he wasn't our player..special permission to wear daffs again ?

I suppose what is not in doubt is that he was either our player, or about to become our player. Either way, his next appearance would have been for Cardiff, so I guess it's understandable that the club should be paying their respects, particularly as he was on his way here when this accident happened. If I was making a guess, I would opt for Cardiff being in a position where they will be told to make the payment to Nantes. However, I neither have enough knowledge of Law, or have any idea how far things had progressed to have any real idea as to what is going on behind the scenes. I honestly have not got a clue who is right and who is wrong, I don't even know on what grounds the club has refused to pay. From my point of view I think it's best left to the people who know what they are talking about rather than making a wild guess and looking a bit silly further down the line.

the wild guesses i am afraid are people seriously contemplating anyone at our club suggesting this young man who lost his life rushing back to train for Cardiff City was not a Cardiff City player.
my post was the club would look stupid..it would. thats not a wild guess.

Like I said in my previous post, law can be a strange subject with outcomes often completely opposite to what common sense says should be the outcome. None of us know what was in that contract, or exactly how far the transfer paperwork had progressed at the time of the accident. We will just have to wait and see what the professionals decide, and leave it to the experts who know what they are talking about. Whatever we post on here are just our opinions and pure guesswork. No point in having digs at anyone or either club as we are not in possession of the facts needed to even guess at how this will end.

well our club are going to look pretty stupid if they go down the road of...he wasn't our player..special permission to wear daffs again ?

I suppose what is not in doubt is that he was either our player, or about to become our player. Either way, his next appearance would have been for Cardiff, so I guess it's understandable that the club should be paying their respects, particularly as he was on his way here when this accident happened. If I was making a guess, I would opt for Cardiff being in a position where they will be told to make the payment to Nantes. However, I neither have enough knowledge of Law, or have any idea how far things had progressed to have any real idea as to what is going on behind the scenes. I honestly have not got a clue who is right and who is wrong, I don't even know on what grounds the club has refused to pay. From my point of view I think it's best left to the people who know what they are talking about rather than making a wild guess and looking a bit silly further down the line.

the wild guesses i am afraid are people seriously contemplating anyone at our club suggesting this young man who lost his life rushing back to train for Cardiff City was not a Cardiff City player.
my post was the club would look stupid..it would. thats not a wild guess.

I don't think anyone is questioning we had all but signed him. But the subject to international clearence makes it sketchy for anyone other than those involved. If it wasn't completed then I doubt our insurance would pay out and doubt Nantes would return the 5.6m they want.

I don't see an issue with the club getting clarification

Like I said in my previous post, law can be a strange subject with outcomes often completely opposite to what common sense says should be the outcome. None of us know what was in that contract, or exactly how far the transfer paperwork had progressed at the time of the accident. We will just have to wait and see what the professionals decide, and leave it to the experts who know what they are talking about. Whatever we post on here are just our opinions and pure guesswork. No point in having digs at anyone or either club as we are not in possession of the facts needed to even guess at how this will end.

well our club are going to look pretty stupid if they go down the road of...he wasn't our player..special permission to wear daffs again ?

I suppose what is not in doubt is that he was either our player, or about to become our player. Either way, his next appearance would have been for Cardiff, so I guess it's understandable that the club should be paying their respects, particularly as he was on his way here when this accident happened. If I was making a guess, I would opt for Cardiff being in a position where they will be told to make the payment to Nantes. However, I neither have enough knowledge of Law, or have any idea how far things had progressed to have any real idea as to what is going on behind the scenes. I honestly have not got a clue who is right and who is wrong, I don't even know on what grounds the club has refused to pay. From my point of view I think it's best left to the people who know what they are talking about rather than making a wild guess and looking a bit silly further down the line.

the wild guesses i am afraid are people seriously contemplating anyone at our club suggesting this young man who lost his life rushing back to train for Cardiff City was not a Cardiff City player.
my post was the club would look stupid..it would. thats not a wild guess.

I'm certainly not suggesting he was not a Cardiff player. I was under the impression it was a done deal and that he had signed for us. However, reading the thread below headed why we are not paying the £15m, posters who appear to know a bit about Law, or who are certainly more knowlegable about this sort of stuff than me, are saying they can understand our club's action, and are not surprised that the club is being cautious at this stage. As I said, I know nothing about Contract Law, or how registration between different football associations work. That is why I have no idea what the eventual outcome will be, and because this is all down to legalities, nothing would shock me whatever the outcome is.

Like I said in my previous post, law can be a strange subject with outcomes often completely opposite to what common sense says should be the outcome. None of us know what was in that contract, or exactly how far the transfer paperwork had progressed at the time of the accident. We will just have to wait and see what the professionals decide, and leave it to the experts who know what they are talking about. Whatever we post on here are just our opinions and pure guesswork. No point in having digs at anyone or either club as we are not in possession of the facts needed to even guess at how this will end.

well our club are going to look pretty stupid if they go down the road of...he wasn't our player..special permission to wear daffs again ?

I suppose what is not in doubt is that he was either our player, or about to become our player. Either way, his next appearance would have been for Cardiff, so I guess it's understandable that the club should be paying their respects, particularly as he was on his way here when this accident happened. If I was making a guess, I would opt for Cardiff being in a position where they will be told to make the payment to Nantes. However, I neither have enough knowledge of Law, or have any idea how far things had progressed to have any real idea as to what is going on behind the scenes. I honestly have not got a clue who is right and who is wrong, I don't even know on what grounds the club has refused to pay. From my point of view I think it's best left to the people who know what they are talking about rather than making a wild guess and looking a bit silly further down the line.

the wild guesses i am afraid are people seriously contemplating anyone at our club suggesting this young man who lost his life rushing back to train for Cardiff City was not a Cardiff City player.
my post was the club would look stupid..it would. thats not a wild guess.

I'm certainly not suggesting he was not a Cardiff player. I was under the impression it was a done deal and that he had signed for us. However, reading the thread below headed why we are not paying the £15m, posters who appear to know a bit about Law, or who are certainly more knowlegable about this sort of stuff than me, are saying they can understand our club's action, and are not surprised that the club is being cautious at this stage. As I said, I know nothing about Contract Law, or how registration between different football associations work. That is why I have no idea what the eventual outcome will be, and because this is all down to legalities, nothing would shock me whatever the outcome is.

I am not talking about legal technicalities just what seems right . laws can be wrong, challenged , changed. the law does not trump right and wrong.

I am so proud of how our club and fans have reacted and behaved , it/we ouzed respect and dignity. the whole world watched and the whole world acknowledged it .now after all those tributes, the family vist,the offer to return the body etc etc even now asking for special permission to wear daffs do you really see Dalman or Choo explaing to the media that we suspected there might a technical loophole and our lawyers have found it and he was not our player after all , meaning all before was a charade.

i hope not.


it must be something else ?