WHY THE £15M WAS HELD BACK AND WHO WILL EARN WHAT

Forget the 15 million, nothing will be the same.

I also never quite understood why we didn't lay on a private jet for him?? As for the first payment, i'm sure the club will do the right thing after we have some questions answered. As for Nantes to go public and demand the first payment is very poor timing in my opinion.

the jet.?
at what point does a club stop providing private transport for players { this was a social visit ,possibly the first of many }.

as for Nantes going public, we just do not know what is being said between the clubs.

I agree tbh.

I dont think it was down to the Club to sort out a trip back and forth to Nantes for him, they did offer and it was declined.

Still a sensitive subject so don't want to seem harsh but these are well paid sportsmen, sorting out you're own travel shouldn't really be an issue.

I dont think the Club have put a foot wrong in all honesty so far from what I have hered.

Forget the 15 million, nothing will be the same.

You need help you’ve got issues

why is no-one concerned that we were reliant on agents to push players to us instead of doing our own scouting and research?

such an amateur way to run a club.

why is no-one concerned that we were reliant on agents to push players to us instead of doing our own scouting and research?

such an amateur way to run a club.

That's what agents do.
This Kckay prob got wind we were watching him and introduced himself.

Contracts may have been signed - but what is the situation re getting international clearance.
If he didnt get clearance then he wouldnt be allowed to play for us - something which would have surely been in the contract ie "subject to international clearance"

I think Cardiff have done absolutely nothing wrong by withholding the first payment due under this transfer agreement Why? because I really believe there is a real chance that not all the terms of the agreement or contract had been completed at the time of the players tragic death.

There is one "Absolute" requirement for this transfer to be completed and that is the "International Transfer certificate" , the announcement from the club said as much "Subject To International Clearance". So had it been received?

Any transfer between different National Associations MUST first have the transfer documentation submitted through the FIFA "Transfer Matching System" and both buying and selling clubs must do this independently. Then the National Association the player is moving to must check both sets of documents to make sure everything matches and if they are happy with everything they will request the ITC from the National Association the player is moving from. In this case that involves The FA, the French FA and of course the Welsh FA.

Cardiff announced the signing on a Saturday evening so could it be possible that the transfer documents were not submitted to FIFA until Monday? Even if all documentation was submitted on the Saturday were there staff at ALL 3 National Associations working that weekend to complete their ends of the process. I believe it's far more likely that the process began on the Monday and if so it's likely that the ITC has not been received by the end of business on that day.

I have had the transfer process explained to me on a couple of occasions and been shown samples transfer agreements where players move between different National Associations and in both included the transfer would be completed subject to approval from the FIFA TMS and upon receipt of the ITC. Only then does any financial payment become due and from what I understand that payment would be made within 5 working days of ALL terms of the transfer agreement being completed.

I don't know of course but What If I'm right and the terms of the transfer agreement had not been completed at the time of Emiliano Sala tragic death which club held his registration Cardiff City or Nantes?

If his registration remained with Nantes at the time of his death then why should Cardiff City pay anything, however if everything had been completed and he was a Cardiff player then the club owe Nantes £15m.

Maybe that is why Cardiff are looking to establish the "Facts" around the status of the transfer and surely that's the right thing to do.

I think Cardiff have done absolutely nothing wrong by withholding the first payment due under this transfer agreement Why? because I really believe there is a real chance that not all the terms of the agreement or contract had been completed at the time of the players tragic death.

There is one "Absolute" requirement for this transfer to be completed and that is the "International Transfer certificate" , the announcement from the club said as much "Subject To International Clearance". So had it been received?

Any transfer between different National Associations MUST first have the transfer documentation submitted through the FIFA "Transfer Matching System" and both buying and selling clubs must do this independently. Then the National Association the player is moving to must check both sets of documents to make sure everything matches and if they are happy with everything they will request the ITC from the National Association the player is moving from. In this case that involves The FA, the French FA and of course the Welsh FA.

Cardiff announced the signing on a Saturday evening so could it be possible that the transfer documents were not submitted to FIFA until Monday? Even if all documentation was submitted on the Saturday were there staff at ALL 3 National Associations working that weekend to complete their ends of the process. I believe it's far more likely that the process began on the Monday and if so it's likely that the ITC has not been received by the end of business on that day.

I have had the transfer process explained to me on a couple of occasions and been shown samples transfer agreements where players move between different National Associations and in both included the transfer would be completed subject to approval from the FIFA TMS and upon receipt of the ITC. Only then does any financial payment become due and from what I understand that payment would be made within 5 working days of ALL terms of the transfer agreement being completed.

I don't know of course but What If I'm right and the terms of the transfer agreement had not been completed at the time of Emiliano Sala tragic death which club held his registration Cardiff City or Nantes?

If his registration remained with Nantes at the time of his death then why should Cardiff City pay anything, however if everything had been completed and he was a Cardiff player then the club owe Nantes £15m.

Maybe that is why Cardiff are looking to establish the "Facts" around the status of the transfer and surely that's the right thing to do.

Good post

I know I have read that the FAW had confirmed international clearance..


but even if what I read was not from a bona fide source it is something that would take a couple of phone calls to find out.
do not see Nantes demanding money or ourselves not paying it because of uncertainty of international clearance.

My question is, if Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff City player which City said he was, then Sala was our total responsibility, No one else's.

I have been told that Tan is furious with our side for not taking total control and looking after Sala and told this to them.

Why did the agent get involved in booking the flight after he’s already done the deal? Surely CCFC should have made all travel arrangements?

I think everyone is guessing ,The contract will be the contract, only the club and Nantes know whats in it everyone else is guessing ,I bet this is the first time anything like this has ever happened so there is no other cases to work from

I think Cardiff have done absolutely nothing wrong by withholding the first payment due under this transfer agreement Why? because I really believe there is a real chance that not all the terms of the agreement or contract had been completed at the time of the players tragic death.

There is one "Absolute" requirement for this transfer to be completed and that is the "International Transfer certificate" , the announcement from the club said as much "Subject To International Clearance". So had it been received?

Any transfer between different National Associations MUST first have the transfer documentation submitted through the FIFA "Transfer Matching System" and both buying and selling clubs must do this independently. Then the National Association the player is moving to must check both sets of documents to make sure everything matches and if they are happy with everything they will request the ITC from the National Association the player is moving from. In this case that involves The FA, the French FA and of course the Welsh FA.

Cardiff announced the signing on a Saturday evening so could it be possible that the transfer documents were not submitted to FIFA until Monday? Even if all documentation was submitted on the Saturday were there staff at ALL 3 National Associations working that weekend to complete their ends of the process. I believe it's far more likely that the process began on the Monday and if so it's likely that the ITC has not been received by the end of business on that day.

I have had the transfer process explained to me on a couple of occasions and been shown samples transfer agreements where players move between different National Associations and in both included the transfer would be completed subject to approval from the FIFA TMS and upon receipt of the ITC. Only then does any financial payment become due and from what I understand that payment would be made within 5 working days of ALL terms of the transfer agreement being completed.

I don't know of course but What If I'm right and the terms of the transfer agreement had not been completed at the time of Emiliano Sala tragic death which club held his registration Cardiff City or Nantes?

If his registration remained with Nantes at the time of his death then why should Cardiff City pay anything, however if everything had been completed and he was a Cardiff player then the club owe Nantes £15m.

Maybe that is why Cardiff are looking to establish the "Facts" around the status of the transfer and surely that's the right thing to do.

Another well thought out post, Gary

This thread (see link below) might be of interest, as it explains much of what the club(s) might be looking at without offering an opinion on whether any of it was the actual case or not

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=204937

https://www.euronews.com/2019/02/07/emi ... ansfer-fee

Everything at the moment are views and opinions there are no facts and evidence to go by that have been released on the situation

why is no-one concerned that we were reliant on agents to push players to us instead of doing our own scouting and research?

such an amateur way to run a club.

That's what agents do.
This Kckay prob got wind we were watching him and introduced himself.

Wrong Luke, Mkcay actually was the agent offering quite a few players from the French Leagur around to the Premier League, you need to get your facts right.

My question is, if Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff City player which City said he was, then Sala was our total responsibility, No one else's.

I have been told that Tan is furious with our side for not taking total control and looking after Sala and told this to them.

Was he offcally our player ? Did the international clearance come through and who's insurance will pay out? I suppose untill an investigation is completed it would be wise not to comment or pay anything over

Wez, this is very very sad to think we are going to try and get out of saying he might not have been our player, how embarrassing for our club if we take that route.

What was the last week about at the City for Emiliano Sala?

Im not sure the club have every suggested anything like Annis and not sure why you would think that?

At the end of the day Nantes will no doubt get their money, be it from us or insurers but at the end of the day the club have to review what has actually happened and take legal advise to make sure they are doing the right thing.

At the end of the day if we are to lose money on this tragic event then so be it but we should do things the right way whatever that may be. Im sure Dalman is more than aware of the clubs obligations over any of these reports or rumours.

Luke, I never ever said a word first?

Media Wales / BBC and Wez have actually started these type of suggestions, I am just giving my reply??

And I hope Cardiff City do not dare go down this route?



Luke, before you only put my name to it put the others first please infuture



It would be Shameful and disgraceful IF we did.


Luke, Cardiff City have said they will pay the money owed and we must believe they will and honour the contract agreed

I'm not sure what you mean Annis about starting it first.

I read your post and put your name as I had quoted your post that's all. Not sure why you have gone all defensive about it. It was simply your post was the first I'd read about trying to get out paying. I have full faith in Dalman mind

Luke,

Read again I was replying to Wez.


It was Wez suggestions and not my post or my questions, so Luke you do know what I mean, you just wish to evade it as you got it wrong.

why is no-one concerned that we were reliant on agents to push players to us instead of doing our own scouting and research?

such an amateur way to run a club.

That's what agents do.
This Kckay prob got wind we were watching him and introduced himself.

Wrong Luke, Mkcay actually was the agent offering quite a few players from the French Leagur around to the Premier League, you need to get your facts right.

Annis, this has become clear in recent days from a number of reliable sources throughout the footballing world and (it seems) the agent was cutting into other agents territory with the promise of 'a cut' in commissions

why is no-one concerned that we were reliant on agents to push players to us instead of doing our own scouting and research?

such an amateur way to run a club.

That's what agents do.
This Kckay prob got wind we were watching him and introduced himself.

Wrong Luke, Mkcay actually was the agent offering quite a few players from the French Leagur around to the Premier League, you need to get your facts right.

Annis, this has become clear in recent days from a number of reliable sources throughout the footballing world and (it seems) the agent was cutting into other agents territory with the promise of 'a cut' in commissions

I agree with you Chris,

But Luke only ever picks my name out and questions me

f*cking hell boys are you lot seriously trying to make out Sala was not a City player, no club will ever want to deal with us again, he would blame them, this stinks

No one is saying that he wasn't a City player, what the club are rightly saying is they want to know why the tragedy happened and who is liable.

As ES never even took part in a training session for CCFC then it is a bit rich to expect our club to take the financial hit 100%. Nantes have to understand that they will get their money eventually but will now have to wait until all the facts of what happened comes out.

I think Cardiff have done absolutely nothing wrong by withholding the first payment due under this transfer agreement Why? because I really believe there is a real chance that not all the terms of the agreement or contract had been completed at the time of the players tragic death.

There is one "Absolute" requirement for this transfer to be completed and that is the "International Transfer certificate" , the announcement from the club said as much "Subject To International Clearance". So had it been received?

Any transfer between different National Associations MUST first have the transfer documentation submitted through the FIFA "Transfer Matching System" and both buying and selling clubs must do this independently. Then the National Association the player is moving to must check both sets of documents to make sure everything matches and if they are happy with everything they will request the ITC from the National Association the player is moving from. In this case that involves The FA, the French FA and of course the Welsh FA.

Cardiff announced the signing on a Saturday evening so could it be possible that the transfer documents were not submitted to FIFA until Monday? Even if all documentation was submitted on the Saturday were there staff at ALL 3 National Associations working that weekend to complete their ends of the process. I believe it's far more likely that the process began on the Monday and if so it's likely that the ITC has not been received by the end of business on that day.

I have had the transfer process explained to me on a couple of occasions and been shown samples transfer agreements where players move between different National Associations and in both included the transfer would be completed subject to approval from the FIFA TMS and upon receipt of the ITC. Only then does any financial payment become due and from what I understand that payment would be made within 5 working days of ALL terms of the transfer agreement being completed.

I don't know of course but What If I'm right and the terms of the transfer agreement had not been completed at the time of Emiliano Sala tragic death which club held his registration Cardiff City or Nantes?

If his registration remained with Nantes at the time of his death then why should Cardiff City pay anything, however if everything had been completed and he was a Cardiff player then the club owe Nantes £15m.

Maybe that is why Cardiff are looking to establish the "Facts" around the status of the transfer and surely that's the right thing to do.

Very interesting and I agree. Whilst some contracts are instantaneous (like buying bread in a shop) complicated contracts such as buying a player's registration will take much more than a signature on a Saturday night.

My question is, if Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff City player which City said he was, then Sala was our total responsibility, No one else's.

I have been told that Tan is furious with our side for not taking total control and looking after Sala and told this to them.

Why did the agent get involved in booking the flight after he’s already done the deal? Surely CCFC should have made all travel arrangements?

This is probably the most important point raised in the whole sorry saga about what happened to ES. The club were investing £15m in the player plus his lucrative salary (I read somewhere it was £50kpw?)

Why after forking out that astonishing amount didn't we have the last say on how he travelled to France and back again? Why does a players agent have the power to override the club? Or was it a case of us not wanting to upset the agent and player and just let them get on with it?

My question is, if Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff City player which City said he was, then Sala was our total responsibility, No one else's.

I have been told that Tan is furious with our side for not taking total control and looking after Sala and told this to them.

Why did the agent get involved in booking the flight after he’s already done the deal? Surely CCFC should have made all travel arrangements?

This is probably the most important point raised in the whole sorry saga about what happened to ES. The club were investing £15m in the player plus his lucrative salary (I read somewhere it was £50kpw?)

Why after forking out that astonishing amount didn't we have the last say on how he travelled to France and back again? Why does a players agent have the power to override the club? Or was it a case of us not wanting to upset the agent and player and just let them get on with it?

Tony, it's one of the many things Vincent Tan is looking at. He's not a happy man over the whole sorry saga right now and rightly so, IMHO

My question is, if Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff City player which City said he was, then Sala was our total responsibility, No one else's.

I have been told that Tan is furious with our side for not taking total control and looking after Sala and told this to them.

Why did the agent get involved in booking the flight after he’s already done the deal? Surely CCFC should have made all travel arrangements?

This is probably the most important point raised in the whole sorry saga about what happened to ES. The club were investing £15m in the player plus his lucrative salary (I read somewhere it was £50kpw?)

Why after forking out that astonishing amount didn't we have the last say on how he travelled to France and back again? Why does a players agent have the power to override the club? Or was it a case of us not wanting to upset the agent and player and just let them get on with it?

He was a grown man at the end of the day though mate, his visit in essence was a social one to go back to Nantes.

I think the Club has a duty of care to its staff but ultimately what the players do in their spare time is within boundaries up to them and how they travel. From what iv read the Club gave him options and he chose to make his own arrangements, in this case tragicly.

I don't think the Club did anything wrong and if Tan is annoyed with anyone at the Club I think that's unfair.

It's an unforseen circumstance that's happened, all we can do is learn from it now.

Maybe it all comes down to who licenced the plane. ? Surely someone has to answer to the Health and Safety of it. It was obviously a cause for concern judging by Emilianos recorded message that the plane is falling apart. Someone is cullperable and therefore insurance issues could be where City are coming from. But all dreadful circumstances. RIP to both Emiliano and Mr Ibbotson.