UPDATED BREAKING: “ NANTES / CARDIFF CITY MONEY "

Sad as this is, football is a business. We agreed the deal and signed the contract therefore we should be paying up, he was our player at the time of the accident.
Bordeaux are asking for their money as well from Nantes

Just said on sky sports news breaking news cardiff city football club has refused while the investigation is on.

I honestly think they should withhold the money untill the wreckage is recovered , after all the day he died he was at Nantes training ground and refused a commercial flight from cardiff ,what i dont get is the involvement of all the different agents if McKay did book the flight and he was as reported paid by Nantes chairman and was employed to find a buyer for sala , then question have to be asked as Nantes and the agent could be negligent,would you pay 15 million out ?

I think we don't have much choice other than to honour the contract for the sale of player.
We then attempt to reclaim any monies through insurance.

Not if McKay was on the payroll of Nantes which was already confirmed then could be a claim of negligence against them and the agent ,McKay organised the travel not cardiff

But that's all for the future unfortunately.
As it's already been suggested we don't want to damage our reputation or risk dealings with other clubs by refusing to pay at this stage.

There will be reasons and I have faith that the club will do what is right and proper at the appropriate time

My sentiments exactly Sven, I'm surprised at the timing though,a little disrespectful towards Emiliano and David imho,just as I write this,its just come on the radio,that nantes are starting legal action,shocking course of action to take,all things considered.

Can’t see how we can argue against not paying myself,we looked what we seen,agreed a price and signed on the dotted line.
Now if Sala was on his way to Cardiff to sign then fair enough,but he had signed 2 days earlier as Cardiff gave him permission to go back to France to sort out his personal stuff.
The horrendous events which happened that night was while he was a officially a Bluebird.
Really hope this don’t get ugly as the mourning still hasn’t stopped yet.

Cardiff City ready for legal battle as Nantes demand first payment of Emiliano Sala £15m transfer fee

After two letters last Friday and Monday were sent from Nantes FC.

Sky Sports

Wednesday 6th February 2019

The French club have demanded the first £5m down payment of the fee, which had been overdue.

One letter from Nantes is thought to have been sent to the Bluebirds on Friday, with another arriving on Wednesday.

Nantes are threatening legal action of their own if they do not receive payment within a 10-day period.

However, Cardiff are withholding any money until they have more facts about what happened to Sala, who with pilot David Ibbotson was on board the Piper Malibu which crashed into the English channel.


Cardiff are said to be "surprised" Nantes have made the demand while attempts are ongoing to recover a body from the plane wreckage.


We understand the £15m Sala fee was due to be paid over a three year period, each of £5m installments.


His international documents are understood to have been lodged with the Football Association of Wales, but there are doubts about whether they were registered with the Premier League at the time of his disappearance.

Although Cardiff announced they were signing Sala two days before the tragedy happened, they emphasised it was subject to clearance from the authorities. That is a point the Bluebirds make at the beginning of any announcement on a new signing.

Another complication is the involvement of Sala's former club FC Bordeaux, who were entitled to a 50 per cent sell-on fee.

However, they went public in stating they would not be demanding payment at this stage.

A further complication is the insurance situation, at Cardiff and Nantes.

We understand the Bluebirds are ready to talk to Nantes about the matter and a mutual way in which to proceed, but privately they are disappointed with the letters from the French club demanding payment.

I keep telling people that this is going to be a long running legal and insurance free for all.

Unless all parties, ( and not all potential parties are even known yet ), can get together and reach an internationally binding Compromise Agreement, the litigation will go on for years or even decades.

Either way, no one is going to start making payments to each other until it's sorted out and everyone will be writing to each other demanding payments without really expecting to get what they've asked for , but more to establish their claims at the earliest possible time.

As for transfer embargoes, I'm not familiar with the standing of anyone to impose such measures , but I do know that it might amount to a Contempt of the Hight Court if anyone, ( a football organisation for example), were to pre empt Proceedings before the Court with such a measure. I don't think it would be difficult to obtain an Injunction from the High Court to prevent such a measure being implemented .
Similarly , any such quasi judicial decision by a football association would be open to Judicial Revue and if it was pre epting the outcome of ongoing Proceedings before the Chancery Division of the High Court, ( which it would ), then they'd be Ordered to desist.

In short, nothing for anyone to worry about and nothing anyone, no matter how learned, could predict the outcome of at this stage.

Embargo is the responsibility of uefa or fifa presumably that's where nante is goining! Many clubs been done this way by footballing authorities for clubs not keeping to transfer payments, suspect it's the arbitration for sport that will decide what's what eventually.... courts probably used to get money back with who's responsibility for the tragic circumstances if any blame is attached that is.

No Alan, as I've said, sports bodies like any other individual or organisation are subject to the Law and subordinate to the Courts. Yes, they can make what we call " quasi judicial decisions ", but these can neither be in contravention of the Law or contrary to the ruling of an actual Court. Nor can they rule upon matters which are subject to Proceedings going on in the courts if such rulings would pre empt the eventual ruling of the Court.
The remedy is what we call a "Judicial Revue", in which we take them before a High Court Judge who can and will reverse or suspend their decision.

In short, we can trump any such actions by FIFA fairly easily. They'd know that of course, so I expect they'd voluntarily delay any such decisions till the Court adjudicated, or face big costs and possibly penalties for Contempt.

To explain that, obviously Fifa couldn't make a rule that a player who gets three red cards will be shot, because that would be in itself unlawful . In a far less dramatic and obvious way, pre empting a Court decision or doing something contrary to a Court decision is also unlawful , so they can't do it.

I know this is a bit technical but that's why it's unlikely that anyone can predict the various outcomes here. What I've said above is correct , but that's actually pretty basic and by now there will be battalions of QC's searching their textbooks and authorities for clever and obscure arguments to benefit their respective client's cases. The eventual outcome will be a matter of Law, not the rules of a sport because it's already gone beyond that. Again Fifa or whoever will know that and back off until Courts have ruled whether the money is owed or not .

Can’t see how we can argue against not paying myself,we looked what we seen,agreed a price and signed on the dotted line.
Now if Sala was on his way to Cardiff to sign then fair enough,but he had signed 2 days earlier as Cardiff gave him permission to go back to France to sort out his personal stuff.
The horrendous events which happened that night was while he was a officially a Bluebird.
Really hope this don’t get ugly as the mourning still hasn’t stopped yet.

If you look at one of my recent posts here, I've explained exactly how we can argue that.
Is it possible for the terms of the contract to be honoured ? I think not.

It actually doesn’t make sense why we aren’t or haven’t payed it yet. We are definitely going to pay it so why can’t we just get it over with and sort the legality’s after. There’s no way Nantes won’t get the money so I don’t understand what we’re playing at.

I would have thought he was our player all the contracts had been done and passed by the FA .So we need to pay up .

the article has no quotes...names no one.

think I will wait for a club official from either club to comment .
its not as if the media have been accurate or factual at any point throughout this.

besides i read the same article a week ago and a dozen similar rehashes since.

the article has no quotes...names no one.

think I will wait for a club official from either club to comment .
its not as if the media have been accurate or factual at any point throughout this.

besides i read the same article a week ago and a dozen similar rehashes since.

It’s all 100% Rob Phillips Confirmed it all live on tv and he is a very respected reporter and totally by Cardiff City.

the article has no quotes...names no one.

think I will wait for a club official from either club to comment .
its not as if the media have been accurate or factual at any point throughout this.

besides i read the same article a week ago and a dozen similar rehashes since.

It’s all 100% Rob Phillips Confirmed it all live on tv and he is a very respected reporter and totally by Cardiff City.

fair enough , no doubt some sort of club statement will follow.

the article has no quotes...names no one.

think I will wait for a club official from either club to comment .
its not as if the media have been accurate or factual at any point throughout this.

besides i read the same article a week ago and a dozen similar rehashes since.

It’s all 100% Rob Phillips Confirmed it all live on tv and he is a very respected reporter and totally by Cardiff City.

fair enough , no doubt some sort of club statement will follow.

Yes I would expect so.

the article has no quotes...names no one.

think I will wait for a club official from either club to comment .
its not as if the media have been accurate or factual at any point throughout this.

besides i read the same article a week ago and a dozen similar rehashes since.

It’s all 100% Rob Phillips Confirmed it all live on tv and he is a very respected reporter and totally by Cardiff City.

Correct Annis, I heard on the weekend this was likely to happen as well.

This will go on for a while, can’t see either club moving on their current position right now.

Reading the OP again, was he officially signed?

Reading the OP again, was he officially signed?

pretty sure the FAW has confirmed that he was signed.

As we had signed him before the accident he is our player and we will have to pay the fee.
However, where is the compassion and respect from both Nantes and Bordeaux?
A young man has lost his life.
Cardiff City will pay but for Nantes and Bordeaux to be pushing this now is so disrespectful to both families.
Unfortunately that's what's wrong with football today it's
'MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!'
Time that Nantes FC and Bordeaux FC showed some respect and realise they will get paid eventually but maybe not immediately!
Seems money is more important to them than showing respect to the families for their loss!
Sad!

the article has no quotes...names no one.

think I will wait for a club official from either club to comment .
its not as if the media have been accurate or factual at any point throughout this.

besides i read the same article a week ago and a dozen similar rehashes since.

It’s all 100% Rob Phillips Confirmed it all live on tv and he is a very respected reporter and totally by Cardiff City.

Correct Annis, I heard on the weekend this was likely to happen as well.

This will go on for a while, can’t see either club moving on their current position right now.

Ned,

On Friday night I was in restaurant with someone high up at City and they said there was going to be some big fallouts over the money.

We owe it and should pay it, but this should of waited till after the searches were completed and the outcome of it.

Cardiff have already acknowledged Emiliano Sala is our player so we should pay.

As to Agents Zero in my opinion

the article has no quotes...names no one.

think I will wait for a club official from either club to comment .
its not as if the media have been accurate or factual at any point throughout this.

besides i read the same article a week ago and a dozen similar rehashes since.

It’s all 100% Rob Phillips Confirmed it all live on tv and he is a very respected reporter and totally by Cardiff City.

Correct Annis, I heard on the weekend this was likely to happen as well.

This will go on for a while, can’t see either club moving on their current position right now.

Ned,

On Friday night I was in restaurant with someone high up at City and they said there was going to be some big fallouts over the money.

We owe it and should pay it, but this should of waited till after the searches were completed and the outcome of it.

Cardiff have already acknowledged Emiliano Sala is our player so we should pay.

As to Agents Zero in my opinion

The agents especially McKay are negligent in this he died in there care ,I can understand why cardiff are holding off coz there needs to be a full investigation

the article has no quotes...names no one.

think I will wait for a club official from either club to comment .
its not as if the media have been accurate or factual at any point throughout this.

besides i read the same article a week ago and a dozen similar rehashes since.

It’s all 100% Rob Phillips Confirmed it all live on tv and he is a very respected reporter and totally by Cardiff City.

Correct Annis, I heard on the weekend this was likely to happen as well.

This will go on for a while, can’t see either club moving on their current position right now.

Ned,

On Friday night I was in restaurant with someone high up at City and they said there was going to be some big fallouts over the money.

We owe it and should pay it, but this should of waited till after the searches were completed and the outcome of it.

Cardiff have already acknowledged Emiliano Sala is our player so we should pay.

As to Agents Zero in my opinion

It will end up getting nasty this. Nantes could have stay shhhhhhhhhhhh until this investigation was over.

It will end up getting nasty this. Nantes could have stay shhhhhhhhhhhh until this investigation was over.

Agree - This should be sorted out after the investigation have been done or Closer has been found .

Just chill out everyone, it'll sort itself out. Not worth everyone getting their knickers in a knot really.

Arse change to Vinny T, I’m sure Nantes will get their money in due time, surely they can’t wait for the body to be found and laid to rest first tho, geez show some compassion and repesct for the family, you’ll get your cash in due course, Vinny is loaded.

I cant help but feel maybe this is a little heartless and premature

Any goodwill that had built up over the Sala tradagy head now been destroyed by Nantes ill-advised comments about money

No it hasn't; it's an ongoing situation that both clubs will understand and FC Nantes need to make clam on the monies perceived as owed for any potential litigation purposes in the future...but you carry on peddling your mischievous garb, fella!

Sky Sports

Thursday 7th February 2019


Nantes demand Emiliano Sala transfer money from Cardiff.

Cardiff believe they should only start making payments once the salvage operation and investigation into the crash are complete
Emiliano Sala went missing in a plane that has been found on the seabed in the Channel.



French football club Nantes have started legal action against Cardiff City, asking for the first payment in the £15m deal to buy Emiliano Sala, Sky sources say.

The French club is demanding that the instalment, understood to be more than £5m, is transferred to them immediately.

And breath everyone.........

Sky Sports

Thursday 7th February 2019


Nantes demand Emiliano Sala transfer money from Cardiff.

Cardiff believe they should only start making payments once the salvage operation and investigation into the crash are complete
Emiliano Sala went missing in a plane that has been found on the seabed in the Channel.



French football club Nantes have started legal action against Cardiff City, asking for the first payment in the £15m deal to buy Emiliano Sala, Sky sources say.

The French club is demanding that the instalment, understood to be more than £5m, is transferred to them immediately.

wasnt the 1st instalment sent and then cancelled ?
if so , that is the reason Nantes are concerned.

on the face of it,he was our player therefore not covered by any insurance Nantes might have , i dont get it.
we pay them then we claim insurance would be how you would imagine it works.
all a bit strange tbh

Sky Sports

Thursday 7th February 2019


Nantes demand Emiliano Sala transfer money from Cardiff.

Cardiff believe they should only start making payments once the salvage operation and investigation into the crash are complete
Emiliano Sala went missing in a plane that has been found on the seabed in the Channel.



French football club Nantes have started legal action against Cardiff City, asking for the first payment in the £15m deal to buy Emiliano Sala, Sky sources say.

The French club is demanding that the instalment, understood to be more than £5m, is transferred to them immediately.

wasnt the 1st instalment sent and then cancelled ?
if so , that is the reason Nantes are concerned.

on the face of it,he was our player therefore not covered by any insurance Nantes might have , i dont get it.
we pay them then we claim insurance would be how you would imagine it works.
all a bit strange tbh

No because if we paid out and the insurance people said we shouldn't have they'd refuse the claim . I keep saying that it's a complicated legal matter and not capable of a quick resolution.
I give up on trying to explain it, but I wonder whether this will effect people's enthusiasm for the team wearing Nantes shirts, renaming our stadium after them and other mad stuff ?