Sala agent just wanted to make lots of money

[dogfound]

Im not one for sentiment. But if anything good can come out of this tragedy, i hope a set of new rules regarding agents is something we can hope for. Football is ruined by corruption from the top, and these bastards lurking behind the scenes.

tbh mate im not sure how its got as bad as it is.
its easy to just blame the agents but they are ALLOWED to unsettle players and work both sides of deals.

us fans are not happy about it , yet clubs, players and the football authorities seem to be fine with it ?

[Tonteg Bluebird]

Im not one for sentiment. But if anything good can come out of this tragedy, i hope a set of new rules regarding agents is something we can hope for. Football is ruined by corruption from the top, and these bastards lurking behind the scenes.

Totally agree. An agent has been responsible for the probable death of a footballer, something which would never have happened if we were allowed to make direct travel arrangements with Sala without McKay's interference.

When the individuals safety is put under threat by an agent taking shortcuts, the rules need to be changed. It's the club paying the money to sign a player and therefore, the club should have 100% direct responsibility for the players safety during any transfer to ensure there are no issues.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

Im not one for sentiment. But if anything good can come out of this tragedy, i hope a set of new rules regarding agents is something we can hope for. Football is ruined by corruption from the top, and these bastards lurking behind the scenes.

tbh mate im not sure how its got as bad as it is.
its easy to just blame the agents but they are ALLOWED to unsettle players and work both sides of deals.

us fans are not happy about it , yet clubs, players and the football authorities seem to be fine with it ?

They do, dont they? It is ruining the sport, which football leaks and several stories over the years have showed.
They should be strung up the lot of them! And the media? Puppets..

[dogfound]

Im not one for sentiment. But if anything good can come out of this tragedy, i hope a set of new rules regarding agents is something we can hope for. Football is ruined by corruption from the top, and these bastards lurking behind the scenes.

Totally agree. An agent has been responsible for the probable death of a footballer, something which would never have happened if we were allowed to make direct travel arrangements with Sala without McKay's interference.

When the individuals safety is put under threat by an agent taking shortcuts, the rules need to be changed. It's the club paying the money to sign a player and therefore, the club should have 100% direct responsibility for the players safety during any transfer to ensure there are no issues.

it was not during the transfer though.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

Im not one for sentiment. But if anything good can come out of this tragedy, i hope a set of new rules regarding agents is something we can hope for. Football is ruined by corruption from the top, and these bastards lurking behind the scenes.

Totally agree. An agent has been responsible for the probable death of a footballer, something which would never have happened if we were allowed to make direct travel arrangements with Sala without McKay's interference.

When the individuals safety is put under threat by an agent taking shortcuts, the rules need to be changed. It's the club paying the money to sign a player and therefore, the club should have 100% direct responsibility for the players safety during any transfer to ensure there are no issues.

They make fecking millions as charlatans. And they save a few thousand on safety and protecting their players!? Grooming and talking shit. I hope Tan comes down as a thousand bricks on this prick!

[K-Choo]

I think we need to be very careful when apportioning blame. Yes, it’s an awful industry (agents) and wrecking football, but every single footballer and every manager has one, this isn’t isolated to Sala. They all work off the same premise too, which is to make money from transfers, often from manipulating and leaking info. In this instance it nearly backfired as Sala was not interested in coming here after he heard West Ham etc wanted him, only for McKay to assure him he made it up which shows the industry for what it is. Players travel all the time in private chartered planes, Warnock travelled with this very pilot too and said he was great (we should also be careful apportioning blame to Ibbotson as I have seen a few times). So yes their industry is horrible, but we have always known that, but all he is doing here is being honest and transparent with the player. It’s a sensationalist article.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

I think we need to be very careful when apportioning blame. Yes, it’s an awful industry (agents) and wrecking football, but every single footballer and every manager has one, this isn’t isolated to Sala. They all work off the same premise too, which is to make money from transfers, often from manipulating and leaking info. In this instance it nearly backfired as Sala was not interested in coming here after he heard West Ham etc wanted him, only for McKay to assure him he made it up which shows the industry for what it is. Players travel all the time in private chartered planes, Warnock travelled with this very pilot too and said he was great (we should also be careful apportioning blame to Ibbotson as I have seen a few times). So yes their industry is horrible, but we have always known that, but all he is doing here is being honest and transparent with the player. It’s a sensationalist article.

No we dont Roathy. We are fans. We can say what we want..

[cwmbachbluebird]

If true what a shit cnut

[RageJon]

Scum agents !!! No one will ever use him again and hope he gets his comeuppance

[Melsuttonholyboots]

I knew it would all come down to money. Mckays can hang there heads in shame for putting the lad on that piece of shit. Like these rogue's don't make enough easy money. Time football stamped these cowboys out.

[K-Choo]

No we dont Roathy. We are fans. We can say what we want..

You do, regardless of names you call me. To blame the industry for being the scourge of football is one thing, and I agree. To blame agents (or the pilot) for Sala’s disappearance is absurd and could quite easily get some in a legal wrangle. The piece is simply saying that an agent organised the transfer to make money and was open about it. Why else did you think they did it then? That’s their job.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

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No we dont Roathy. We are fans. We can say what we want..

You do, regardless of names you call me. To blame the industry for being the scourge of football is one thing, and I agree. To blame agents for Sala’s disappearance is absurd and could quite easily get some in a legal wrangle. The piece is simply saying that an agent organised the transfer to make money and was open about it. Why else did you think they did it then? That’s their job.

I got you pegged for all four usernames you are posting under. Dont worry about it.. Blame? I'm sure there is not "one" person to blame.. Its a chain of events gone horribly wrong. A dodgy agent arranging a flight, or a shit bucks with wing if you must. An owner of a taxi company, using what appears to be a sunk in depth, desperate and non qualified pilot. Dosent stop there. Warnock have taken trips with this pilot also. Several posters have said what you are saying this past week. and the more details that comes out, the more shit sticks. And all the bullshit this agent has placed in the media last week? Running like a dog, isn't he? And last but not least. Yes, Sala took the naive and easy way out. It happens. Just hope there is a lesson learned somewhere.

[K-Choo]

I got you pegged for all four usernames you are posting under. Dont worry about it.. Blame? I'm sure there is not "one" person to blame.. Its a chain of events gone horribly wrong. A dodgy agent arranging a flight, or a shit bucks with wing if you must. An owner of a taxi company, using what appears to be a sunk in depth, desperate and non qualified pilot. Dosent stop there. Warnock have taken trips with this pilot also. Several posters have said what you are saying this past week. and the more details that comes out, the more shit sticks. And all the bullshit this agent has placed in the media last week? Running like a dog, isn't he? And last but not least. Yes, Sala took the naive and easy way out. It happens. Just hope there is a lesson learned somewhere.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but rest assured I’m not worried about it. It’s normal for new posters to be called a host of names, the internet is a very paranoid place.

But back to the topic... This plane is a million pound aircraft not some rust bucket, it’s something the rich and famous travel in daily. Ibbotson was also a qualified pilot, just not a commercial pilot, but he wasn’t flying a commercial plane, possibly why there was no payment taken for the seat.

Is McKay a money grabbing parasite on the game? Yes just as the multitude of others that are at our club representing our players and management at this second. It’s a big difference between that and accusing them of blame for the likely death of two people.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

I got you pegged for all four usernames you are posting under. Dont worry about it.. Blame? I'm sure there is not "one" person to blame.. Its a chain of events gone horribly wrong. A dodgy agent arranging a flight, or a shit bucks with wing if you must. An owner of a taxi company, using what appears to be a sunk in depth, desperate and non qualified pilot. Dosent stop there. Warnock have taken trips with this pilot also. Several posters have said what you are saying this past week. and the more details that comes out, the more shit sticks. And all the bullshit this agent has placed in the media last week? Running like a dog, isn't he? And last but not least. Yes, Sala took the naive and easy way out. It happens. Just hope there is a lesson learned somewhere.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but rest assured I’m not worried about it. It’s normal for new posters to be called a host of names, the internet is a very paranoid place.

But back to the topic... This plane is a million pound aircraft not some rust bucket, it’s something the rich and famous travel in daily. Ibbotson was also a qualified pilot, just not a commercial pilot, but he wasn’t flying a commercial plane, possibly why there was no payment taken for the seat.

Is McKay a money grabbing parasite on the game? Yes just as the multitude of others that are at our club representing our players and management at this second. It’s a big difference between that and accusing them of blame for the likely death of two people.

Paranoid would suggest fear. I would rather have you post as Roathie and leave them other users left behind. A bit sad seing you talk to yourself.. Yes, it was a rust bucket. A plane not fit to do the trip it was taken on. Single piston old bucket of shit. And like another poster said, it would only cost a few thousand more to have a two engine jet to do the business.. But i guess money was tight.. Ibbotson did not have the licens to fly commercial, and all logic dictates he did when flying both Sala and Warnock. Surely he did not do it for free? in between DJìng at weddings? Like i said before, i understand where he is coming from, and i dont blame him. He lacked both experience and competence.. Exactly my point. The multitude. Hope there are some changes on the horizon!

[worcester_ccfc]

That’s football agents for you, all they care about is money.

I’m sure plenty of agents send similar messages to players.

It’s not good, but it’s the way it is and it’s unlikely to change.

[snoopystorm]

I got you pegged for all four usernames you are posting under. Dont worry about it.. Blame? I'm sure there is not "one" person to blame.. Its a chain of events gone horribly wrong. A dodgy agent arranging a flight, or a shit bucks with wing if you must. An owner of a taxi company, using what appears to be a sunk in depth, desperate and non qualified pilot. Dosent stop there. Warnock have taken trips with this pilot also. Several posters have said what you are saying this past week. and the more details that comes out, the more shit sticks. And all the bullshit this agent has placed in the media last week? Running like a dog, isn't he? And last but not least. Yes, Sala took the naive and easy way out. It happens. Just hope there is a lesson learned somewhere.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but rest assured I’m not worried about it. It’s normal for new posters to be called a host of names, the internet is a very paranoid place.

But back to the topic... This plane is a million pound aircraft not some rust bucket, it’s something the rich and famous travel in daily. Ibbotson was also a qualified pilot, just not a commercial pilot, but he wasn’t flying a commercial plane, possibly why there was no payment taken for the seat.

Is McKay a money grabbing parasite on the game? Yes just as the multitude of others that are at our club representing our players and management at this second. It’s a big difference between that and accusing them of blame for the likely death of two people.

1st off I very much doubt NW flew with Ibbotson, Henderson maybe but not Ibbotson unless he’s done a skydive or two....
2ndly Ibbotson has already claimed to friends he was ‘rusty on flying’ that doesn’t give anybody great confidence
3rdly the plane was falling apart, it was over 20 years old, maybe worth a couple hundred grand by now with depreciation, was probably worth a million or more when new so yes it may have well have been a rust bucket. The rich and famous wouldn’t stump for a Piper
4th just because he’s qualified as a pilot doesn’t mean he’s safe or legal, I know plenty of people who have car licenses but won’t and don’t drive and I also know plenty who have driving licenses who should really stick to walking
McKay wanted to ‘make money’ so if all his interest is money then easiest way to make money is to save by cutting corners

[Scandinavianbluebird]

I got you pegged for all four usernames you are posting under. Dont worry about it.. Blame? I'm sure there is not "one" person to blame.. Its a chain of events gone horribly wrong. A dodgy agent arranging a flight, or a shit bucks with wing if you must. An owner of a taxi company, using what appears to be a sunk in depth, desperate and non qualified pilot. Dosent stop there. Warnock have taken trips with this pilot also. Several posters have said what you are saying this past week. and the more details that comes out, the more shit sticks. And all the bullshit this agent has placed in the media last week? Running like a dog, isn't he? And last but not least. Yes, Sala took the naive and easy way out. It happens. Just hope there is a lesson learned somewhere.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but rest assured I’m not worried about it. It’s normal for new posters to be called a host of names, the internet is a very paranoid place.

But back to the topic... This plane is a million pound aircraft not some rust bucket, it’s something the rich and famous travel in daily. Ibbotson was also a qualified pilot, just not a commercial pilot, but he wasn’t flying a commercial plane, possibly why there was no payment taken for the seat.

Is McKay a money grabbing parasite on the game? Yes just as the multitude of others that are at our club representing our players and management at this second. It’s a big difference between that and accusing them of blame for the likely death of two people.

1st off I very much doubt NW flew with Ibbotson, Henderson maybe but not Ibbotson unless he’s done a skydive or two....
2ndly Ibbotson has already claimed to friends he was ‘rusty on flying’ that doesn’t give anybody great confidence
3rdly the plane was falling apart, it was over 20 years old, maybe worth a couple hundred grand by now with depreciation, was probably worth a million or more when new so yes it may have well have been a rust bucket. The rich and famous wouldn’t stump for a Piper
4th just because he’s qualified as a pilot doesn’t mean he’s safe or legal, I know plenty of people who have car licenses but won’t and don’t drive and I also know plenty who have driving licenses who should really stick to walking
McKay wanted to ‘make money’ so if all his interest is money then easiest way to make money is to save by cutting corners

First. Warnock said pre Arsenal he taken trips with the pilot several times and he thought he was a great pilot. So thats that then, and odd!. And second. Reading through that "pilot forum" and reading their links on the plane. Not fit to do the flight, and more of a shit bucket than a rust bucket... The end..

[K-Choo]

Paranoid would suggest fear. I would rather have you post as Roathie and leave them other users left behind. A bit sad seing you talk to yourself.. Yes, it was a rust bucket. A plane not fit to do the trip it was taken on. Single piston old bucket of shit. And like another poster said, it would only cost a few thousand more to have a two engine jet to do the business.. But i guess money was tight.. Ibbotson did not have the licens to fly commercial, and all logic dictates he did when flying both Sala and Warnock. Surely he did not do it for free? in between DJìng at weddings? Like i said before, i understand where he is coming from, and i dont blame him. He lacked both experience and competence.. Exactly my point. The multitude. Hope there are some changes on the horizon!

I wasn’t referring to fear, just unfamiliarity. People like yourself get confused and come to your own reality which seems rational to you even though it’s about as rational as the moon made of cheese. The only username I have ever had is this, just a fact.

You did not see the plane and have no idea what it was like, you are again making it up to fit a narrative which creates a view you feel more comfortable with, people do it often. Twin engine jet planes have crashed too, many times. You have never met Ibbotson, don’t know his ability and have no idea what caused the crash, if you have no idea what caused the crash then you cannot apportion blame to Ibbotson and his experience or the plane itself.

A tragic incident of no doubt. But when we play the blame game then we first need to know what happened, as of yet we do not.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

Paranoid would suggest fear. I would rather have you post as Roathie and leave them other users left behind. A bit sad seing you talk to yourself.. Yes, it was a rust bucket. A plane not fit to do the trip it was taken on. Single piston old bucket of shit. And like another poster said, it would only cost a few thousand more to have a two engine jet to do the business.. But i guess money was tight.. Ibbotson did not have the licens to fly commercial, and all logic dictates he did when flying both Sala and Warnock. Surely he did not do it for free? in between DJìng at weddings? Like i said before, i understand where he is coming from, and i dont blame him. He lacked both experience and competence.. Exactly my point. The multitude. Hope there are some changes on the horizon!

I wasn’t referring to fear, just unfamiliarity. People like yourself get confused and come to your own reality which seems rational to you even though it’s about as rational as the moon made of cheese. The only username I have ever had is this, just a fact.

You did not see the plane and have no idea what it was like, you are again making it up to fit a narrative which creates a view you feel more comfortable with, people do it often. Twin engine jet planes have crashed too, many times. You have never met Ibbotson, don’t know his ability and have no idea what caused the crash, if you have no idea what caused the crash then you cannot apportion blame to Ibbotson and his experience or the plane itself.

A tragic incident of no doubt. But when we play the blame game then we first need to know what happened, as of yet we do not.

We will probably never know what happened. I didn't see the plane. And if i did, i would probably say. Wow, nice plane. I know nothing about planes. But what i did do was read through the accident rates on that model. Accidents rates on single piston planes flying in icing conditions and over water. Double engine planes and jets dont come anything near that accident percentage. And i read about Ibbotson. If i met him, i would probably say . Fun guy! But his life have been turned inside out, hasn't it? He flew as a hoppy and stray pilot for four years. Although i know nothing about flying or planes. My sister is a pilot. Her husband is a captain. I had an uncle who used to be a captain, and his daughter flying helicopters. Believe me, the put in a lot of hours getting there. Flying in Africa, Canada, Alaska. All to get them hours required to do commercial flying. And from my point of view, it was not safe. Neither was this trip. I was referring to familiarity btw

[K-Choo]

Paranoid would suggest fear. I would rather have you post as Roathie and leave them other users left behind. A bit sad seing you talk to yourself.. Yes, it was a rust bucket. A plane not fit to do the trip it was taken on. Single piston old bucket of shit. And like another poster said, it would only cost a few thousand more to have a two engine jet to do the business.. But i guess money was tight.. Ibbotson did not have the licens to fly commercial, and all logic dictates he did when flying both Sala and Warnock. Surely he did not do it for free? in between DJìng at weddings? Like i said before, i understand where he is coming from, and i dont blame him. He lacked both experience and competence.. Exactly my point. The multitude. Hope there are some changes on the horizon!

I wasn’t referring to fear, just unfamiliarity. People like yourself get confused and come to your own reality which seems rational to you even though it’s about as rational as the moon made of cheese. The only username I have ever had is this, just a fact.

You did not see the plane and have no idea what it was like, you are again making it up to fit a narrative which creates a view you feel more comfortable with, people do it often. Twin engine jet planes have crashed too, many times. You have never met Ibbotson, don’t know his ability and have no idea what caused the crash, if you have no idea what caused the crash then you cannot apportion blame to Ibbotson and his experience or the plane itself.

A tragic incident of no doubt. But when we play the blame game then we first need to know what happened, as of yet we do not.

We will probably never know what happened. I didn't see the plane. And if i did, i would probably say. Wow, nice plane. I know nothing about planes. But what i did do was read through the accident rates on that model. Accidents rates on single piston planes flying in icing conditions and over water. Double engine planes and jets dont come anything near that accident percentage. And i read about Ibbotson. If i met him, i would probably say . Fun guy! But his life have been turned inside out, hasn't it? He flew as a hoppy and stray pilot for four years. Although i know nothing about flying or planes. My sister is a pilot. Her husband is a captain. I had an uncle who used to be a captain, and his daughter flying helicopters. Believe me, the put in a lot of hours getting there. Flying in Africa, Canada, Alaska. All to get them hours required to do commercial flying. And from my point of view, it was not safe. Neither was this trip. I was referring to familiarity btw

Well we can agree on that then, neither know Ibbotson, neither saw the plane.

Those planes have a 1.86/2.4 per 100,000 serious accident rate. A typical car has a serious accident rate of 17.4 per 100,000 which puts it into perspective. It’s akin to signing a player from Derby who had a car accident on the way here and you complaining that due to the safety record of the car he should have taken a plane and then trying to apportion blame for the people that arranged the car journey without having the faintest idea what happened.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

Paranoid would suggest fear. I would rather have you post as Roathie and leave them other users left behind. A bit sad seing you talk to yourself.. Yes, it was a rust bucket. A plane not fit to do the trip it was taken on. Single piston old bucket of shit. And like another poster said, it would only cost a few thousand more to have a two engine jet to do the business.. But i guess money was tight.. Ibbotson did not have the licens to fly commercial, and all logic dictates he did when flying both Sala and Warnock. Surely he did not do it for free? in between DJìng at weddings? Like i said before, i understand where he is coming from, and i dont blame him. He lacked both experience and competence.. Exactly my point. The multitude. Hope there are some changes on the horizon!

I wasn’t referring to fear, just unfamiliarity. People like yourself get confused and come to your own reality which seems rational to you even though it’s about as rational as the moon made of cheese. The only username I have ever had is this, just a fact.

You did not see the plane and have no idea what it was like, you are again making it up to fit a narrative which creates a view you feel more comfortable with, people do it often. Twin engine jet planes have crashed too, many times. You have never met Ibbotson, don’t know his ability and have no idea what caused the crash, if you have no idea what caused the crash then you cannot apportion blame to Ibbotson and his experience or the plane itself.

A tragic incident of no doubt. But when we play the blame game then we first need to know what happened, as of yet we do not.

We will probably never know what happened. I didn't see the plane. And if i did, i would probably say. Wow, nice plane. I know nothing about planes. But what i did do was read through the accident rates on that model. Accidents rates on single piston planes flying in icing conditions and over water. Double engine planes and jets dont come anything near that accident percentage. And i read about Ibbotson. If i met him, i would probably say . Fun guy! But his life have been turned inside out, hasn't it? He flew as a hoppy and stray pilot for four years. Although i know nothing about flying or planes. My sister is a pilot. Her husband is a captain. I had an uncle who used to be a captain, and his daughter flying helicopters. Believe me, the put in a lot of hours getting there. Flying in Africa, Canada, Alaska. All to get them hours required to do commercial flying. And from my point of view, it was not safe. Neither was this trip. I was referring to familiarity btw

Well we can agree on that then, neither know Ibbotson, neither saw the plane.

Those planes have a 1.86/2.4 per 100,000 serious accident rate. A typical car has a serious accident rate of 17.4 per 100,000 which puts it into perspective. It’s akin to signing a player from Derby who had a car accident on the way here and you complaining that due to the safety record of the car he should have taken a plane and then trying to apportion blame for the people that arranged the car journey without having the faintest idea what happened.

Mate! That is derailing! We all know cars have a different rate of 1,8 to 2,4 pr 100k flight is right up there among the worst, isn't it? Not many planes would manage those numbers i would guess. Maybe the Cesna. But again... Lower rated pilots..

[K-Choo]

Mate! That is derailing! We all know cars have a different rate of 1,8 to 2,4 pr 100k flight is right up there among the worst, isn't it? Not many planes would manage those numbers i would guess. Maybe the Cesna. But again... Lower rated pilots..

You brought up the safety record of the plane, how is me bringing up the statistical data being labelled as derailing?

Anyway, those figures are fairly typical of private planes. The team bus is statistically at greater risk of disaster as are players travelling by car to training, but neither can be considered a significant enough risk to apportion blame should something happen, even if it turns out that the bus driver only drives buses now and again to form part of his profession.

The reason Sala decided against a commercial jet plane is because Nantes is not easy to get to, he would need transfers to and from Nantes as there is no Cardiff to Nantes jet route available to him, making his journey longer.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

Mate! That is derailing! We all know cars have a different rate of 1,8 to 2,4 pr 100k flight is right up there among the worst, isn't it? Not many planes would manage those numbers i would guess. Maybe the Cesna. But again... Lower rated pilots..

You brought up the safety record of the plane, how is me bringing up the statistical data being labelled as derailing?

Anyway, those figures are fairly typical of private planes. The team bus is statistically at greater risk of disaster as are players travelling by car to training, but neither can be considered a significant enough risk to apportion blame should something happen, even if it turns out that the bus driver only drives buses now and again to form part of his profession.

The reason Sala decided against a commercial jet plane is because Nantes is not easy to get to, he would need transfers to and from Nantes as there is no Cardiff to Nantes jet route available to him, making his journey longer.

Very easy answer. Cars have a higher accident rate, well. Just because there are a lot more of them. The same for busses. Well, not accident rates, but when fatality, the increase because threre are more people on a buss than in a car. The safest way to travel in this world is by a airplane. Teo reasons for that friend. Fewer flight pr person, and the insanely pedantic service regulations. On commercial flights that is. So if you want to twist number, help yourself. Easy making an argument either way using semantics..

[dogfound]

I knew it would all come down to money. Mckays can hang there heads in shame for putting the lad on that piece of shit. Like these rogue's don't make enough easy money. Time football stamped these cowboys out.

2 separate issues here..do agents squeeze every penny they can out of the game..
yes and new rules are overdue

he PUT this lad on..... no the lad was 28 , had options , and the only evidence that exists regarding payment for the flight is that there was none.

[dogfound]

I knew it would all come down to money. Mckays can hang there heads in shame for putting the lad on that piece of shit. Like these rogue's don't make enough easy money. Time football stamped these cowboys out.

2 separate issues here..do agents squeeze every penny they can out of the game..
yes and new rules are overdue

he PUT this lad on..... no the lad was 28 , had options , and the only evidence that exists regarding payment for the flight is that there was none.

[K-Choo]

Very easy answer. Cars have a higher accident rate, well. Just because there are a lot more of them. The same for busses. Well, not accident rates, but when fatality, the increase because threre are more people on a buss than in a car. The safest way to travel in this world is by a airplane. Teo reasons for that friend. Fewer flight pr person, and the insanely pedantic service regulations. On commercial flights that is. So if you want to twist number, help yourself. Easy making an argument either way using semantics..

That’s not how it works.

You don’t seem to be grasping the notion of a rate. It doesn’t matter how many there are on the road or in the sky for example, it’s a rate - essentially like a percentage.

2.4 in 100,000 flights of this kind result in serious accident. That number is the same if there is only 1 plane in existence or 50 million.

What you are thinking of is fatality number, which can be misleading due to the differing frequency in travel. But what I have given you is an accident rate, so amount in each vehicle or how many there are is irrelevant.

Planes are safer simply because they are, not because the stats are massaged that way. It means like for like, for every 100,000 car journeys there is ‘x’ amount if incidents, for every 100,000 flights there is ‘x’ amount of incidents. It’s directly comparable and cannot he manipulated.

[Scandinavianbluebird]

Very easy answer. Cars have a higher accident rate, well. Just because there are a lot more of them. The same for busses. Well, not accident rates, but when fatality, the increase because threre are more people on a buss than in a car. The safest way to travel in this world is by a airplane. Teo reasons for that friend. Fewer flight pr person, and the insanely pedantic service regulations. On commercial flights that is. So if you want to twist number, help yourself. Easy making an argument either way using semantics..

That’s not how it works.

You don’t seem to be grasping the notion of a rate. It doesn’t matter how many there are on the road or in the sky for example, it’s a rate - essentially like a percentage.

2.4 in 100,000 flights of this kind result in serious accident. That number is the same if there is only 1 plane in existence or 50 million.

What you are thinking of is fatality number, which can be misleading due to the differing frequency in travel. But what I have given you is an accident rate, so amount in each vehicle or how many there are is irrelevant.

Planes are safer simply because they are, not because the stats are massaged that way. It means like for like, for every 100,000 car journeys there is ‘x’ amount if incidents, for every 100,000 flights there is ‘x’ amount of incidents. It’s directly comparable and cannot he manipulated.

It is mate. Its called statistics. If you want to draw a statistic around crashes, you do that. Cars have the highest rating. Of you want to draw a line around where most people die in a crash, its likely to be a train or a plain. If looking at where do most people get killed in a traffic crash. You are looking at a bus. You can use stats every way you want if you leave out "median"
And i know you know what median mean And thats science..

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Dogfound has it spot on above.

Agents are terrible, we all know that and more needs to be done about the way they conduct their business with regards to manipulating of media etc, but it’s important a distinction is made and we can’t just go blaming them for accidents.

These are risks we all willingly take every day of our lives everytime we get in our cars or step foot on a plane.

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It is mate. Its called statistics. If you want to draw a statistic around crashes, you do that. Cars have the highest rating. Of you want to draw a line around where most people die in a crash, its likely to be a train or a plain. If looking at where do most people get killed in a traffic crash. You are looking at a bus. You can use stats every way you want if you leave out "median"
And i know you know what median mean And thats science..

You aren’t making any sense.

Statistics is simply the vessel to display facts to draw simple conclusions. “How many” is not a very telling statistic if safety is what you are looking at due to the variables you mentioned.

So if we want a statistic to show safety you look at one with almost no variables at all, which is an accident “rate”. So this plane was much safer than a car. Remember it was you that brought up the safety record of the aircraft, not me.

The safety record of the aircraft model in question is exceptional in comparison to the types of transport used every day by every single one of our players.

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It is mate. Its called statistics. If you want to draw a statistic around crashes, you do that. Cars have the highest rating. Of you want to draw a line around where most people die in a crash, its likely to be a train or a plain. If looking at where do most people get killed in a traffic crash. You are looking at a bus. You can use stats every way you want if you leave out "median"
And i know you know what median mean And thats science..

You aren’t making any sense.

Statistics is simply the vessel to display facts to draw simple conclusions. “How many” is not a very telling statistic if safety is what you are looking at due to the variables you mentioned.

So if we want a statistic to show safety you look at one with almost no variables at all, which is an accident “rate”. So this plane was much safer than a car. Remember it was you that brought up the safety record of the aircraft, not me.

The safety record of the aircraft model in question is exceptional in comparison to the types of transport used every day by every single one of our players.

Well, if you are half as educated as you pretended to be in the past, you would understand the meaning of a scientific median and use if statitics as an argument.. Variables is not very relevant is it, ironically enough when you bring in more variables than needed ? if 100k single piston flights resolve in 2,4% failure, and 100k 737 boing resolve in 00,1% failure. Witch one do you gamble on? And we all know you like to gamble!