Queen Street Tents!

[Bluebird since 1948]

In a lot of cases it’s not there fault, put the blame where it should be , and that’s with the people who run the Country, and the fat cats who don’t pay there Tax

Bollocks the Labour council have said themselves there is enough space for these people. They have said many times that there should be no one on the street, there is enough beds for all. I have not seen it this bad before but this is only the beginning. Summer will see numbers swell beyond believe because Cardiff is known as soft touch for these people and it wouldn't surprise me if people travelled from all over. It's only going to get worse.

[2blue2handle]

In a lot of cases it’s not there fault, put the blame where it should be , and that’s with the people who run the Country, and the fat cats who don’t pay there Tax

Bollocks the Labour council have said themselves there is enough space for these people. They have said many times that there should be no one on the street, there is enough beds for all. I have not seen it this bad before but this is only the beginning. Summer will see numbers swell beyond believe because Cardiff is known as soft touch for these people and it wouldn't surprise me if people travelled from all over. It's only going to get worse.

They do and the police have said as much.

[CityBlue93]

I work in town so walk through it every lunch time.... Mainly just to get steps in and it's disgusting. In a 35 minute walk I'd be approached at least 10 - 20 times.

I refuse to acknowledge them.

I walk through st Mary’s street and all the way up queen street twice daily. Also get lunch in town every day... I don’t get approached 10 times a week so you’re chatting shit tbf

[2blue2handle]

I work in town so walk through it every lunch time.... Mainly just to get steps in and it's disgusting. In a 35 minute walk I'd be approached at least 10 - 20 times.

I refuse to acknowledge them.

I walk through st Mary’s street and all the way up queen street twice daily. Also get lunch in town every day... I don’t get approached 10 times a week so you’re chatting shit tbf

Lucky you, maybe you have one of those faces and you seem a bit of a wanker

St Mary's Street alone from mcdonald's to peppermint your lucky not to get a stupid amount of requests for money. Infact I could think of at least 5 faces I know I'd get approached by, same people same dogs. Same groups.

That's another annoyance, those who have dogs knowing they get extra credit for them to spend on drugs.

[rhblue]

I work in town so walk through it every lunch time.... Mainly just to get steps in and it's disgusting. In a 35 minute walk I'd be approached at least 10 - 20 times.

I refuse to acknowledge them.

I walk through st Mary’s street and all the way up queen street twice daily. Also get lunch in town every day... I don’t get approached 10 times a week so you’re chatting shit tbf

Lucky you, maybe you have one of those faces and you seem a bit of a wanker

St Mary's Street alone from mcdonald's to peppermint your lucky not to get a stupid amount of requests for money. Infact I could think of at least 5 faces I know I'd get approached by, same people same dogs. Same groups.

That's another annoyance, those who have dogs knowing they get extra credit for them to spend on drugs.

I get approached many times when in town asking for money and st Mary st Greggs is full of them in the morning, I think they get a free Greggs breakfast .

[bluebirdoct1962]

In a lot of cases it’s not there fault, put the blame where it should be , and that’s with the people who run the Country, and the fat cats who don’t pay there Tax

[montyblue]

Perhaps the best place for them to pitch there tents is directly outside the council offices and chamber if they want to get something done about there plight, but there is probably not the foot fall of people there to ask for money .

[Ray Bishop]

My nephew works in the Huggard, he says anyone who is homelessness is more or less guaranteed a bed there, though they all have to leave in the morning and can’t return till the evening. So can’t understand all the tents? Also there are too many ‘homeless’ begging, who aren’t even homeless. Gareth Thomas, the ex egg chaser, had his photo taken with one and said he was his homeless friend. His homeless friend actually has a flat in fairwater. Genuine homeless people get tarred with the same brush as piss takers like him. Makes my blood boil.

[Blueman39]

I’ve worked with the homeless and some prefer to live on the steeets as they don’t have any responsibilities...believe it or not.Hostels can be full of violence where they prey on the weak...they call it “brown letter day”...when they get their benefits.
Allowing them to live in tents in city centre is not the answer at all.
It’s a health hazard as much as anything.
If they are living in tents then provide them a space similar to the travellers ...problem is no one wants them in their community.
And drugs is not the biggest issue...its drink....many are alcohol dependent but sometimes do drugs to keep the cold out...
And many do not want to sit within noall society rules so allowing tents in the Main Street is not going to stop that..
Land in a place with a shower blocks, toilets etc is a solution but where?

[pembroke allan]

Only brought subject up as was on news and I was in Cardiff yesterday and saw for myself what was there and only saw 4, Question is why tents now after all the so called homeless people have been around forever and never used them before. they seem to be placed strategically near food outlets aswell..

[Ninianman]

Ive witnessed these poor souls tossing away sandwiches that people have bought in good faith.
Their nothing but professional scroungers,get a big digger and drive through Queen St scooping them up whether their in their tents or not.

[Bluebina]

Only brought subject up as was on news and I was in Cardiff yesterday and saw for myself what was there and only saw 4, Question is why tents now after all the so called homeless people have been around forever and never used them before. they seem to be placed strategically near food outlets aswell..

They've gone upmarket haven't they, four years ago it was a cardboard box, three years ago an old blanket, two years ago sleeping bags, last year sleeping bags, blankets and mini mattresses, now tents, next year they'll have fecking mobile homes !!!

I saw a semi-professional one arrive in Pontypridd in the summer, he parked his car early, put a nice thick comfortable foam mat under himself and scruffed himself up, shaking his top and hair to look dishevelled, then hid his mat under a scruffy old blanket!!

This was early one Sunday by the Greggs, I am not sure i he always works that Patch as was up there early and left just after he arrived.

[pembroke allan]

Only brought subject up as was on news and I was in Cardiff yesterday and saw for myself what was there and only saw 4, Question is why tents now after all the so called homeless people have been around forever and never used them before. they seem to be placed strategically near food outlets aswell..

They've gone upmarket haven't they, four years ago it was a cardboard box, three years ago an old blanket, two years ago sleeping bags, last year sleeping bags, blankets and mini mattresses, now tents, next year they'll have fecking mobile homes !!!

I saw a semi-professional one arrive in Pontypridd in the summer, he parked his car early, put a nice thick comfortable foam mat under himself and scruffed himself up, shaking his top and hair to look dishevelled, then hid his mat under a scruffy old blanket!!

This was early one Sunday by the Greggs, I am not sure i he always works that Patch as was up there early and left just after he arrived.

Stories like this have been said before! Another problem is the goody 2 shoes who think being homeless is a protected status and they should be allowed to do what they want as its not their fault which up to a point could be true but still doesn't make it right to plonk a tent in middle of the shopping precinct.

[Steve Zodiak]

Only brought subject up as was on news and I was in Cardiff yesterday and saw for myself what was there and only saw 4, Question is why tents now after all the so called homeless people have been around forever and never used them before. they seem to be placed strategically near food outlets aswell..

They've gone upmarket haven't they, four years ago it was a cardboard box, three years ago an old blanket, two years ago sleeping bags, last year sleeping bags, blankets and mini mattresses, now tents, next year they'll have fecking mobile homes !!!

I saw a semi-professional one arrive in Pontypridd in the summer, he parked his car early, put a nice thick comfortable foam mat under himself and scruffed himself up, shaking his top and hair to look dishevelled, then hid his mat under a scruffy old blanket!!

This was early one Sunday by the Greggs, I am not sure i he always works that Patch as was up there early and left just after he arrived.

Stories like this have been said before! Another problem is the goody 2 shoes who think being homeless is a protected status and they should be allowed to do what they want as its not their fault which up to a point could be true but still doesn't make it right to plonk a tent in middle of the shopping precinct.

I suppose the reason we have homeless people in this country Alan is all down to me and you voting to leave the EU.

[pembroke allan]

Only brought subject up as was on news and I was in Cardiff yesterday and saw for myself what was there and only saw 4, Question is why tents now after all the so called homeless people have been around forever and never used them before. they seem to be placed strategically near food outlets aswell..

They've gone upmarket haven't they, four years ago it was a cardboard box, three years ago an old blanket, two years ago sleeping bags, last year sleeping bags, blankets and mini mattresses, now tents, next year they'll have fecking mobile homes !!!

I saw a semi-professional one arrive in Pontypridd in the summer, he parked his car early, put a nice thick comfortable foam mat under himself and scruffed himself up, shaking his top and hair to look dishevelled, then hid his mat under a scruffy old blanket!!

This was early one Sunday by the Greggs, I am not sure i he always works that Patch as was up there early and left just after he arrived.

Stories like this have been said before! Another problem is the goody 2 shoes who think being homeless is a protected status and they should be allowed to do what they want as its not their fault which up to a point could be true but still doesn't make it right to plonk a tent in middle of the shopping precinct.

I suppose the reason we have homeless people in this country Alan is all down to me and you voting to leave the EU.

Probably and wouldn't be surprised if EU supplied the tents through the regional development fund ?

[Clubfortyfourer]

I agree if you haven’t nothing sensible to say don’t say it.
“Pembroke Allan” I hope you don’t find yourself homeless because theirs all sorts of reasons, relationship break downs, under 25 ‘s who have been thrown out by their parents, who can’t claim housing benefit, The right to bye scheme that have depleated Social housing stock in Wales by 250,000 houses. With no houses being built to replace lost housing stock to ”The Right to bye” “scheme” Their are many reasons for homelessness not just drug abuse sufferers.Have some compassion and talk to them instead of judging the homeless, you probably will be shocked by their reasons of their homelessness. “Remember It can happen to anyone”, especially under the policies of this evil Tory government.

[pembroke allan]

I agree if you haven’t nothing sensible to say don’t say it.
“Pembroke Allan” I hope you don’t find yourself homeless because theirs all sorts of reasons, relationship break downs, under 25 ‘s who have been thrown out by their parents, who can’t claim housing benefit, The right to bye scheme that have depleated Social housing stock in Wales by 250,000 houses. With no houses being built to replace lost housing stock to ”The Right to bye” “scheme” Their are many reasons for homelessness not just drug abuse sufferers.Have some compassion and talk to them instead of judging the homeless, you probably will be shocked by their reasons of their homelessness. “Remember It can happen to anyone”, especially under the policies of this evil Tory government.

I know more about homelessness than you will ever know dealt with it for many years ok! My response was to someone else not you? so need to lighten up

[Bridgend_bluebird]

I work in town so walk through it every lunch time.... Mainly just to get steps in and it's disgusting. In a 35 minute walk I'd be approached at least 10 - 20 times.

I refuse to acknowledge them.

I walk through st Mary’s street and all the way up queen street twice daily. Also get lunch in town every day... I don’t get approached 10 times a week so you’re chatting shit tbf

Lucky you, maybe you have one of those faces and you seem a bit of a wanker

St Mary's Street alone from mcdonald's to peppermint your lucky not to get a stupid amount of requests for money. Infact I could think of at least 5 faces I know I'd get approached by, same people same dogs. Same groups.

That's another annoyance, those who have dogs knowing they get extra credit for them to spend on drugs.

There's usually a guy with a backpack walking around the Brewhouse smoking area asking for money for a bottle of vodka. it's a sad state of affairs that we are the 5th richest country in the world but can't look after our own people.

Why have we got poverty?? And before anyone says it, it's NOT THE EU. We have alot more control of our country and borders than people actually realise.

[ElyBoy1984]

It's not the "evil" Tory government.
There's a "housing crisis" caused by over population after Labour allowed millions in. Blame our immigration policy. I'm not against immigration but running net migration at 250.000(a city the size of Cardiff) people per year is unsustainable.

[ElyBoy1984]

I work in town so walk through it every lunch time.... Mainly just to get steps in and it's disgusting. In a 35 minute walk I'd be approached at least 10 - 20 times.

I refuse to acknowledge them.

I walk through st Mary’s street and all the way up queen street twice daily. Also get lunch in town every day... I don’t get approached 10 times a week so you’re chatting shit tbf

Lucky you, maybe you have one of those faces and you seem a bit of a wanker

St Mary's Street alone from mcdonald's to peppermint your lucky not to get a stupid amount of requests for money. Infact I could think of at least 5 faces I know I'd get approached by, same people same dogs. Same groups.

That's another annoyance, those who have dogs knowing they get extra credit for them to spend on drugs.

There's usually a guy with a backpack walking around the Brewhouse smoking area asking for money for a bottle of vodka. it's a sad state of affairs that we are the 5th richest country in the world but can't look after our own people.

Why have we got poverty?? And before anyone says it, it's NOT THE EU. We have alot more control of our country and borders than people actually realise.

It's not about throwing money at this problem. Far too complex. And if you give an addict 300 pound a day. That wouldn't be enough. Especially if they smoke crack(a lot do)

[Steve Zodiak]

It's not the "evil" Tory government.
There's a "housing crisis" caused by over population after Labour allowed millions in. Blame our immigration policy. I'm not against immigration but running net migration at 250.000(a city the size of Cardiff) people per year is unsustainable.

That's the problem. If you are going to continue increasing the population of a country, you have to make sure the correct infrastructure is in place to cope with all the extra people. The UK has insufficient affordable housing, not enough hospitals, GPs, Dentists, etc. Our road system is often gridlocked, trains are jam packed, and emergency services at breaking point. Successive governments have never really fully addressed our growing population, and we are all now reaping the benefits of lack of vision and planning. I have a feeling things will get far worse before they get better.

[Bluebina]

It's not the "evil" Tory government.
There's a "housing crisis" caused by over population after Labour allowed millions in. Blame our immigration policy. I'm not against immigration but running net migration at 250.000(a city the size of Cardiff) people per year is unsustainable.

That's the problem. If you are going to continue increasing the population of a country, you have to make sure the correct infrastructure is in place to cope with all the extra people. The UK has insufficient affordable housing, not enough hospitals, GPs, Dentists, etc. Our road system is often gridlocked, trains are jam packed, and emergency services at breaking point. Successive governments have never really fully addressed our growing population, and we are all now reaping the benefits of lack of vision and planning. I have a feeling things will get far worse before they get better.

Spot on, we are in a right mess and it's only going to get worse

[rumpo kid]

Don’t think anybody’s having a pop at the homeless per se. It’s just that putting up tents on Queen St is taking the piss..

[pembroke allan]

How have people been allowed to put up tents in our main shopping street? Wasn't there a month or so ago? Whilst I have sympathy with the homeless, sorry they should not be allowed to make our city look like a refugee camp! Why not pitch them in Bute park across the road, if need be....?

I agree with you, it’s getting like “the jungle” in Calais.

The conservatives have reinstated the AM and have said the tents will be taken down .

[barry boy]

If you wanted somewhere shelterd and dry to spend the night - why would you pitch your tent on hard cold concrete with people staring at you ?

To enable you to beg for money, that's why.

[Flyingpostman]

I think blame should be shared between both Governments . Labour is partially at fault for immigration in but this problem could be easily solved via housing or social and mental health funding if we hadn't been in the grips of austerity under the tories and they had got big business to pay there bloody taxes .

Do you ever see this level of homelessness in the EU when your on holiday ? No you do not , this issue has nothing to do with Brexit or the EU at all so lets not bring that argument into it

Oh no my eyes , people in tents asking me for money . Oh god what am I going to do ? Hahaha and these old gammon faced men moan about snowflakes . How ironic

[ealing_ayatollah]

Do you ever see this level of homelessness in the EU when your on holiday ? No you do not , this issue has nothing to do with Brexit or the EU at all so lets not bring that argument into it

With all due respect, it is a European wide issue and a case can certainly be made that the liberal immigration policies pushed forwards by the EU have had at least some part to play in the cause...

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[swilsh]

The Government's own Migration Advisory Report found that EEA migrants are net contributors to the public coffers and there is no evidence that they are draining public services. Meanwhile homelessness has increased annually every year since 2010, and I daresay will continue to increase as long as public services are not adequately funded. The problem resides in Westminster, not in Brussels.

[ealing_ayatollah]

The Government's own Migration Advisory Report found that EEA migrants are net contributors to the public coffers and there is no evidence that they are draining public services. Meanwhile homelessness has increased annually every year since 2010, and I daresay will continue to increase as long as public services are not adequately funded. The problem resides in Westminster, not in Brussels.

Edit.. sorry for long post couldn't articulate it any better. Brief synopses is it's all Merkel's fault. Longer version below


Your spot on with the fact that EEA migrants are net contributors and also that much of the blame of our housing crisis can be laid at the feet of inept policies across both labour and conservative governments in Westminister.

However, it should be noted that when Angela Merkel unilaterally opened the doors of Europe to the world in 2015 and then sought to implement migrant quotas on EU nations she not only changed the shape of European migration overnight but also essentially shut down Schengen and ironically created a rift that could lead to the fall of the EU.

Whilst there are a number of studies on this, generally while net fiscal contribution of EEA migrants is positive, net fiscal contribution of non EEA is negative and the deficit is generally calculated at between 8 and 12 times greater than the positive impact of EEA migration.

Now in 2015 this would have been an argument for remaining in the EU, but as I say Merkel changed the rules and opened Europe up to an unproductive, unskilled wave of migrants who are breaking the infrastructure of an entire continent.

As I said in an earlier post in the thread, we are no use as a humanitarian force to anyone until we get our own house in order, and whilst I absolutely agree Westminister has significant failings, getting out cleanly of the EU, so we can tackle our own problems without interference from a failing, bloated political union, making increasingly overt moves towards European federalism to try and save itself from falling apart, is vital.

We cant even help our own homeless presently. Let the EU crumble of their own accord we have enough of our own crap to sort out.

Interestingly, the report you mention concludes that we should focus our immigration policies on skills basis - making it easier for high skilled workers and harder for low-skilled workers to migrate to Britain - regardless of EEA status or not.

Common sense if you ask me and puts Britain on a path to prosper again. Only then will we be able to properly tackle issues like homelessness and the housing crisis