EMILIANO SALA FLIGHT MESSAGES WITH AGENT'S SON REVEALED

The club can’t force the player to take up their offer. When is the penny going to drop.

Think it's wrong to have a go at Mr Choo here as he is obviously upset over all this and might sound harsh but the facts (as we know them) are the club offered , the player declined , sad

The club offered a flight but it was a commercial plane to Paris but Sala wanted to fly direct to Nantes and his agent arranged a cheap tin shed to fly him. Ken Choo said they have no jurisdiction over the player. Unfortunately they couldn’t force him. What more could the club do? Pay for an expensive jet every time every player wants to fly. It would cost the club a fortune l.

Exactly where does end, do they arrange every taxi and vet every taxi driver.

people are looking to blame someone, and it seems it doesn't matter who, its as simple as that.
I would be shocked if Camarasa, Gunner etc or foreign players at any club had not flown home at some point and doubt their clubs sorted travel to and from airports or flights out if they even knew . or infact sort travel arrangements out when players are on international duty or for their holidays or social events abroad.

Sergio Aguero was involved in an accident inside a taxi while in Amsterdam, and Citeh /Pep had no idea he was even out of the country. Peps quote at the time was... { It was his day off , i am not the police }..these are grown men earning huge wages and have lives away from their employers.

Not having a go at anyone , all I’m trying to say is I feel the club should have arranged the direct flight to Nantes.

Not having a go at anyone , all I’m trying to say is I feel the club should have arranged the direct flight to Nantes.

From what I understand the club did offer to arrange this, however Sala opted to take a private plane.

Inevitably there's going to be questions asked, I believe Sala's agent just wants to be totally transparent.

The club offered but if a player preferred a different option there nothing they can do. If we were Real Madrid we could have paid for a jet for all our players every weekend.

The club offered a flight but it was a commercial plane to Paris but Sala wanted to fly direct to Nantes and his agent arranged a cheap tin shed to fly him. Ken Choo said they have no jurisdiction over the player. Unfortunately they couldn’t force him. What more could the club do? Pay for an expensive jet every time every player wants to fly. It would cost the club a fortune l.

Exactly where does end, do they arrange every taxi and vet every taxi driver.

people are looking to blame someone, and it seems it doesn't matter who, its as simple as that.
I would be shocked if Camarasa, Gunner etc or foreign players at any club had not flown home at some point and doubt their clubs sorted travel to and from airports or flights out if they even knew . or infact sort travel arrangements out when players are on international duty or for their holidays or social events abroad.

Sergio Aguero was involved in an accident inside a taxi while in Amsterdam, and Citeh /Pep had no idea he was even out of the country. Peps quote at the time was... { It was his day off , i am not the police }..these are grown men earning huge wages and have lives away from their employers.

Exactly and your right, they are all always flying back and forth, Manga often travelling to France. Any break they get they go somewhere. At the end of the day Cardiff offered thats the main point to me.

Not having a go at anyone , all I’m trying to say is I feel the club should have arranged the direct flight to Nantes.

would you be saying this if a player who had been here years was involved in serious road accident.?

the club are not resonsible for everything players decide to do 24/7

The club offered a flight but it was a commercial plane to Paris but Sala wanted to fly direct to Nantes and his agent arranged a cheap tin shed to fly him. Ken Choo said they have no jurisdiction over the player. Unfortunately they couldn’t force him. What more could the club do? Pay for an expensive jet every time every player wants to fly. It would cost the club a fortune l.

Exactly where does end, do they arrange every taxi and vet every taxi driver.

people are looking to blame someone, and it seems it doesn't matter who, its as simple as that.
I would be shocked if Camarasa, Gunner etc or foreign players at any club had not flown home at some point and doubt their clubs sorted travel to and from airports or flights out if they even knew . or infact sort travel arrangements out when players are on international duty or for their holidays or social events abroad.

Sergio Aguero was involved in an accident inside a taxi while in Amsterdam, and Citeh /Pep had no idea he was even out of the country. Peps quote at the time was... { It was his day off , i am not the police }..these are grown men earning huge wages and have lives away from their employers.

Exactly and your right, they are all always flying back and forth, Manga often travelling to France. Any break they get they go somewhere. At the end of the day Cardiff offered thats the main point to me.

tbh I thought people would have come away from this by now but it seems once one avenue of blame is closed they find another.

Just a very sad tragic accident.
Nothing at all to do with the club or board .

It was said you have to get a 2.5~3hr train from Nantes to Paris to fly commercial and he might have to go to London then travel car/train to Cardiff.

Agent offered him direct flight saving a lot of time.

Commercial plane 1st class but takes a bit longer or fly via a tin shed with one engine? I know what I would have done and will do in future.

McKay senior I sincerely hope you feel like crap. Putting anyone on a single engine puddle hopper who is valued at 15 million (invaluable to many) during a winter storm is unfathomable!! Not to mention the choice of pilot, the dictating of travel times when privately charting a plane... I still think the club SHOULD have handled his travel and expenses.

I have to say I agree with you fully that the club should have sorted the travel areangements.

I watched an interview last night with Ken Choo who was basically trying to distance the club from all aspects of the flight arrangements, said something along the lines of “ he was not under our jurisdiction “

Really !? We’ve just paid 15 million for him then as good as say he’s nothing to do with us , this is wrong and has not come across very well.

I’m sure full details will emerge in due course concerning all aspects of the flight arrangements . However I personally feel that the club had a duty of care towards the player after signing him and should have therefore insisted on looking after all aspects of his travel to and from France.

With respect, hindsight is a wonderful thing but the simple fact is that the McKay's were acting on Emiliano Sala's behalf and it was in them that the player put his faith

Cardiff City FC certainly had a 'duty of care' towards Emiliano Sala and they had a travel plan in place but it was rejected for reasons already stated, i.e. the player was creditably keen to get back ASAP so that he could meet and train with his new colleagues on Tuesday (dispelling the myth for me that he wasn't 'keen' on coming here) and at that point said 'duty of care' was transferred to the arranging Agent and the flight company itself

He put his trust in his Agent (who released the texts to Sky Sports and other media) and the rest is a sad, tragic series of events that are still unfolding

No one; not the club, his Agent or the player himself could have foreseen what would happen (it appears McKay has used the same company many times before) but there are questions that need answering and they mainly lay around the legitimacy of the flight itself and who knew what about what?

The truth will out and it's going to get very uncomfortable for a few people and Ken Choo (as spokesman) is right to distance the club from any involvement in the transport arrangements made

Well said

its come out now that Cardiff city player jack McKay organized the flight for sala, He text sala to say his dad willie McKay would get him a flight back and fore from Cardiff to nantes. Not blaming him at all for what happened its just one of those freakish accidents. Hope they find them soon and get to the bottom of what happened. #prayforsalaandpilot

It was said you have to get a 2.5~3hr train from Nantes to Paris to fly commercial and he might have to go to London then travel car/train to Cardiff.

Agent offered him direct flight saving a lot of time.

Paris fly direct to Cardiff.

It was said you have to get a 2.5~3hr train from Nantes to Paris to fly commercial and he might have to go to London then travel car/train to Cardiff.

Agent offered him direct flight saving a lot of time.

Paris fly direct to Cardiff.

They do from charles de gaulle

The messages are accurate, not sure how Sky have got them but they come direct from McKays & Salas phone. You can hear the voice recordings on Sky.

Did they obtain them legally or were they retrieved by hacking? They’ve also been translated and could have been changed. The legal implications would see any case fall apart with this, it’s inadmissable.

The only way we will know for sure is if South Wales Police or a private company such as Fields in Bridgend or Athena in Cardiff were to get hold of the phone and do a legal digital forensic examination.

It was said you have to get a 2.5~3hr train from Nantes to Paris to fly commercial and he might have to go to London then travel car/train to Cardiff.

Agent offered him direct flight saving a lot of time.

Paris fly direct to Cardiff.

im not sure there is an evening flight ?

then there is a 240 mile trek to Paris.


and if I have read the texts correctly Emiliano actually wanted to fly later, even squeezing half an hour from 7 to 7.30 ?
seems to me he wanted to extend the visit as long as possible

90% of posts seem to assume he had little or no choices. he did

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... l-15735670

Does anyone else find this statement concerning and desperate to try and wash their hands of any responsibility?

McKay said: "In regards to the booking of the flight, we contacted David Henderson (who did not eventually fly the plane) who has flown us and many of our players all over Europe on countless occasions.


"We had no involvement in selecting a plane or a pilot and wish to make clear we do not own the plane that Emiliano flew on.

There is no evdience for this and only an assumption...

From this statement, they've booked this flight with either an other agency/company or an individual (my guess David Henderson).

Look at this statement:

"In regards to the booking of the flight, we contacted David Henderson (who did not eventually fly the plane) who has flown us and many of our players all over Europe on countless occasions."

So they contact thier usual pilot who flys their jockeys/other footballers around, he said he can't do it, so they've now either asked him to find an alternative or they've approached a separate company.

Surely as the representative of the player it's their duty to ensure the new arrangement in place is: firstly safe, and secondly adequate for an 18 million premier League footballer.

It's always easier to say in hindsight but their responsibility in this instance would be due diligence on...

Who the Pilot was,
What plane they we're using & is that plane safe to fly in the current climate.

If their is any doubt about this then surely it is their responsibility as agents of the player to relay this info to Sala and then it would be his choice if he wants to proceed.

Does anyone actually believe Sala new there was an added risk of flying over water at night in this particular plane?

This statement really doesn't sit right with me and now it's clear where sky got it from... the Mckays themselves.

Cover up! There I've said it.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/emiliano-salas-text-messages-reveal-15735670

Does anyone else find this statement concerning and desperate to try and wash their hands of any responsibility?

McKay said: "In regards to the booking of the flight, we contacted David Henderson (who did not eventually fly the plane) who has flown us and many of our players all over Europe on countless occasions.


"We had no involvement in selecting a plane or a pilot and wish to make clear we do not own the plane that Emiliano flew on.

There is no evdience for this and only an assumption...

From this statement, they've booked this flight with either an other agency/company or an individual (my guess David Henderson).

Look at this statement:

"In regards to the booking of the flight, we contacted David Henderson (who did not eventually fly the plane) who has flown us and many of our players all over Europe on countless occasions."

So they contact thier usual pilot who flys their jockeys/other footballers around, he said he can't do it, so they've now either asked him to find an alternative or they've approached a separate company.

Surely as the representative of the player it's their duty to ensure the new arrangement in place is: firstly safe, and secondly adequate for an 18 million premier League footballer.

It's always easier to say in hindsight but their responsibility in this instance would be due diligence on...

Who the Pilot was,
What plane they we're using & is that plane safe to fly in the current climate.

If their is any doubt about this then surely it is their responsibility as agents of the player to relay this info to Sala and then it would be his choice if he wants to proceed.

Does anyone actually believe Sala new there was an added risk of flying over water at night in this particular plane?

This statement really doesn't sit right with me and now it's clear where sky got it from... the Mckays themselves.

Again what’s the source? Were they obtained legally? Were they altered at translation?

Until a proper digital forensic examination of McKay’s phone is done then it’s speculation, in a court case it’s classed as inadmissable evidence and after all the trouble with the phone hacking scandal recently too it’s weird how they have ‘got a copy’ because it wouldn’t have come from Emiliano,s phone unless his WhatsApp account was hacked.

“Until a proper digital forensic examination of McKay’s phone is done then it’s speculation, in a court case it’s classed as inadmissable evidence and after all the trouble with the phone hacking scandal recently too it’s weird how they have ‘got a copy’ because it wouldn’t have come from Emiliano,s phone unless his WhatsApp account was hacked.”

That’s it then.. And this is probably the best build up sentence I’ve read in my entire life!
“proper digital forensic examination” Hope you don’t mind me adopting that into my daily vocabulary.

Well we all know Vinnies reputation, im sure he will want to expose the truth whatever it costs.

DH says he was not in Nantes

Authorities say his ID card was presented at check in.

DI flew the plane.

Not rocket science is it, surely all computers and phones need to be siezed by the police just on this incriminating fact.

Well we all know Vinnies reputation, im sure he will want to expose the truth whatever it costs.

DH says he was not in Nantes

Authorities say his ID card was presented at check in.

DI flew the plane.

Not rocket science is it, surely all computers and phones need to be siezed by the police just on this incriminating fact.

Better leave this, until proper digital forensic examination has been done, and the digital forensics have done their job puzzling the peices together.

“Until a proper digital forensic examination of McKay’s phone is done then it’s speculation, in a court case it’s classed as inadmissable evidence and after all the trouble with the phone hacking scandal recently too it’s weird how they have ‘got a copy’ because it wouldn’t have come from Emiliano,s phone unless his WhatsApp account was hacked.”

That’s it then.. And this is probably the best build up sentence I’ve read in my entire life!
“proper digital forensic examination” Hope you don’t mind me adopting that into my daily vocabulary.

As this will be going down the lines of a criminal investigation at some point then the mobile phone will be seized and a digital forensic examination will take place where a full digital image will be taken which will be worked on and translated within the confines of UK laws, until then this conversation is speculation, it is possible that the entire conversation could have been changed when translated and passed on.

Well we all know Vinnies reputation, im sure he will want to expose the truth whatever it costs.

DH says he was not in Nantes

Authorities say his ID card was presented at check in.

DI flew the plane.

Not rocket science is it, surely all computers and phones need to be siezed by the police just on this incriminating fact.

Better leave this, until proper digital forensic examination has been done, and the digital forensics have done their job puzzling the peices together.

And now you’re being an arse

“Until a proper digital forensic examination of McKay’s phone is done then it’s speculation, in a court case it’s classed as inadmissable evidence and after all the trouble with the phone hacking scandal recently too it’s weird how they have ‘got a copy’ because it wouldn’t have come from Emiliano,s phone unless his WhatsApp account was hacked.”

That’s it then.. And this is probably the best build up sentence I’ve read in my entire life!
“proper digital forensic examination” Hope you don’t mind me adopting that into my daily vocabulary.

As this will be going down the lines of a criminal investigation at some point then the mobile phone will be seized and a digital forensic examination will take place where a full digital image will be taken which will be worked on and translated within the confines of UK laws, until then this conversation is speculation, it is possible that the entire conversation could have been changed when translated and passed on.

It’s what we do mate! Speculate. How many soldiers do we need to seize a mobile phone and how quickly can it be done? We need to do proper digital forensic examination ASAP! I’m sorry mate, I’m going to use this every time I don’t understand a meme or a text. Just loved it

“Until a proper digital forensic examination of McKay’s phone is done then it’s speculation, in a court case it’s classed as inadmissable evidence and after all the trouble with the phone hacking scandal recently too it’s weird how they have ‘got a copy’ because it wouldn’t have come from Emiliano,s phone unless his WhatsApp account was hacked.”

That’s it then.. And this is probably the best build up sentence I’ve read in my entire life!
“proper digital forensic examination” Hope you don’t mind me adopting that into my daily vocabulary.

As this will be going down the lines of a criminal investigation at some point then the mobile phone will be seized and a digital forensic examination will take place where a full digital image will be taken which will be worked on and translated within the confines of UK laws, until then this conversation is speculation, it is possible that the entire conversation could have been changed when translated and passed on.

It’s what we do mate! Speculate. How many soldiers do we need to seize a mobile phone and how quickly can it be done? We need to do proper digital forensic examination ASAP! I’m sorry mate, I’m going to use this every time I don’t understand a meme or a text. Just loved it

Did I say ASAP?

How many soldiers do we need? Ummm 0 how about 1 police officer with a court order.....

How do you think images and conversations are found in cases of company espionage or paedophile cases?

There are a set rules and guidelines to be followed before such evidence can be used, i certainly didn’t go through 5 years of uni and obtain a masters in computer forensics to be treated like an idiot in a football forum over questioning the validity of a conversation that could have been changed at translation before being handed over to the media...

And my observation also remains, you sir are an arse