UPDATED: BELLAMY SUSPENDED / Accussed of bullying at CCFC

Anybody see the Drill with Jimmy Bullard and Bellers He was very intense with youngsters. Modern kids are more sensitive and dont respond to nastiness.

My gut feeling its just a disgruntled player who got released. Perhaps he's trying for a pay off.

Or did he have another club 'waiting' in the wings?

Time will tell but let's not jump to conclusions that either party (Bellamy or the boy and/or his parents) are guilty of any wrong-doing yet

Whispers of 'fall outs' with Craig occur frequently and you are right; modern youngsters are very precious and simply not akin to being told anything...as are some adults, which could include disgruntled members of staff

Let the club do its thing and all will be revealed

The only sensible post on here Chris.

Typical of most of the posters, jumping on something they no nothing about. Probably the same people that think we’re world beaters after one win and relegated after one loss. Bamba (eg) is shit and should be dropped after one bad performance, etc,etc.
One ‘rumour’ and all the haters are out. At least let the full story come out.

The modern snowflake society of youngsters who believe the world owes them are living in general is something that’s irks me.

Thanks, Paul

Sadly, it is reflective of a lot (not all) of today's 'cotton wool wrapped' youth and also some of the members on here who appear to swallow everything negative or clearly rumour-based at face value

It's best I don't start on the cotton wool generation (with exceptions) of today, as it is much of our own generation (and not just the politicians) that have allowed them to become what they have

It wasn't just confined to football. They should speak to people who worked in factories, foundries, in the mines, in the services (armed and civilian) and/or on apprenticeships; some of the maddest stories coming from men/boys who worked in the Freeman's Cigar Factory on Penarth Road!

Their stories would curl the hair of most (if not all) of today's youngsters!

Different times mate, apprentices regularly used to get the s#@&£ kicked out of them. Mind you knowing some of the women who worked in the cigar factory I think their initiation ritual would be a lot scarier than anything I experienced on a building site.

Was that before or after he and Lee Bowyer fought each other on the pitch?[/quote]

Both.

Anybody see the Drill with Jimmy Bullard and Bellers He was very intense with youngsters. Modern kids are more sensitive and dont respond to nastiness.

My gut feeling its just a disgruntled player who got released. Perhaps he's trying for a pay off.

Or did he have another club 'waiting' in the wings?

Time will tell but let's not jump to conclusions that either party (Bellamy or the boy and/or his parents) are guilty of any wrong-doing yet

Whispers of 'fall outs' with Craig occur frequently and you are right; modern youngsters are very precious and simply not akin to being told anything...as are some adults, which could include disgruntled members of staff

Let the club do its thing and all will be revealed

The only sensible post on here Chris.

Typical of most of the posters, jumping on something they no nothing about. Probably the same people that think we’re world beaters after one win and relegated after one loss. Bamba (eg) is shit and should be dropped after one bad performance, etc,etc.
One ‘rumour’ and all the haters are out. At least let the full story come out.

The modern snowflake society of youngsters who believe the world owes them are living in general is something that’s irks me.

Thanks, Paul

Sadly, it is reflective of a lot (not all) of today's 'cotton wool wrapped' youth and also some of the members on here who appear to swallow everything negative or clearly rumour-based at face value

It's best I don't start on the cotton wool generation (with exceptions) of today, as it is much of our own generation (and not just the politicians) that have allowed them to become what they have

It wasn't just confined to football. They should speak to people who worked in factories, foundries, in the mines, in the services (armed and civilian) and/or on apprenticeships; some of the maddest stories coming from men/boys who worked in the Freeman's Cigar Factory on Penarth Road!

Their stories would curl the hair of most (if not all) of today's youngsters!

Different times mate, apprentices regularly used to get the s#@&£ kicked out of them. Mind you knowing some of the women who worked in the cigar factory I think their initiation ritual would be a lot scarier than anything I experienced on a building site.

Different times indeed, Jock (not all for better or for worse) but those cigar girls were a class apart!

I'd take a pound for every time I have been called a sheep shagger by an English man/woman. Life is tough get on with it! :

By your boss really? Odd working environment especially when working with younger people.

living and working in England, I get called all sorts every day by the lads on a building site, and I give it back too, grow a pair kid and get on with it

Let's not forget what a great and passionate player Craig was . However, I've reluctantly pointed out here a few times that his huge talent and commitment notwithstanding, he's not cut out for the responsibilities of management .
If it's true that he's got some problem about English people that surprises me, but I don't know what he thinks it will achieve to vent it within a club which has a lot of English people playing and working for it.
I'm naturally unsympathetic to the idea of this kid getting precious and complaining about a man who is, for better or worse , appointed to be in charge of him, and more so to anyone listening to him. On the other hand, Craig must act correctly if he wants to hold a position of authority and be worthy of respect.
If true , this is hardly the first example of poor behaviour I'm afraid, and it's not a thing which the club can afford. As much as anything it represents a danger to the general unity which has been achieved by the manager.
I want the club to repay Craig's loyalty but unless he can curb his tongue - not just in regards to matters of this sort but also in terms of saying stupid things about the club in public when acting as a pundit - perhaps he should reconsider his apparent ambitions of coaching and management. Perhaps some other role could be found for him in which he could contribute more effectively .

if any of this sticks Bellers has huge problems not just with our club but I would imagine with Sky TV..

have to say I find the remark by yourself that you are unsympathetic to a boy for complaining and even less sympathetic to anyone that listens to those complaints {not even knowing the validity } very concerning ,especially when it is now a requirement for clubs to have a safe guarding officer for that very purpose.

Yes, well perhaps you do find it concerning, but I'm a bit old fashioned about that sort of thing and I've got some experience of
the importance of maintaining good order and discipline within a unit.
We're not talking about the boy being trousered or beaten up or anything are we ? He seems to be claiming that the man in charge has said some things he didn't like, and whilst we can certainly understand that Craig has been imprudent , no one is suggesting that he's done anyone substantial harm.
It's two separate issues then, isn't it ? A kid who has taken exception to the coache's use of language and allegedly harsh attitude and the apparent fact that Craig repeatedly says stupid things and creates un necessary problems and discontentments within the club and in public.

The second has I'm afraid reached a point where it must be addressed, as I said in my post. However, the first matter must also be dealt with in a manner which does not invite junior players and apprentices to acquire the whip hand by running to the press and embarrassing the club publicly about matters like this which don't , in themselves , amount to very much.

Now, I must emphasise in these politically correct days that had there been some more serious allegation , that would be a different matter altogether. However, if we allow every apprentice player to cause a public furore in the national press every time someone says something they don't like , ( and possibly as an excuse for their own shortcomings), we will make it impossible for Craig ,or anyone else , to do that job properly.

Bellamy is preparing these kids to take the knocks football will throw at them. Survive him, and you will have learnt valuable coping skills.

Who is responsible for bringing this kid up. ? What a fart. Anyone who has been around the football environment knows the type of stuff like this goes on. The Wimbledon thing will come out soon, so and so cut a hole in my socks that I had off my granny for xmas, someone let my car tyre down. I'm offended as someone once said that I'm from Rat Island, I want this looked into. , as this terrible comment has stayed with me until this day. ffs.

None of us no if anything happend to we over to city to find out.
I do think any coach/manager in modern football has got such a difficult job.
Players are treated like babies and want to be mothered most of them .if the coach isn't liked by the players or the players don't like this or that they spit the dummy out.
I think times have changed you have to careful what you say now your not allowed an opinion any more .
These players now are a different bread lots haven't the respect to be told what to do .
I work in site and I get called all sorts all tongue and check just banter but the youngsters don't deal with it like us old ones do .I don't no not saying Craig hasn't done nothing wrong but when you think of it he's right what he said is us that's what we think for 90mins in a game but then all is back to normal .
I've worked with jacks my daughter lives in Bristol. Maybe his education of who the club is has got lost I don't no.
The world is different these days and you got to be caerful.

I'd take a pound for every time I have been called a sheep shagger by an English man/woman. Life is tough get on with it! :

By your boss really? Odd working environment especially when working with younger people.

living and working in England, I get called all sorts every day by the lads on a building site, and I give it back too, grow a pair kid and get on with it

Sounds like Banter with friends /work colleagues then not your manager. Seems nothing like the working environment of a football club or youth academy. Odd response

bellamy is not a manager and never will be as he lacks temperament and people skills.

what i said after it became clear he was being considered by the FAW for the wales job. sums him up quite well.

i assume his behaviour has been reported and he has refused to change on more than one occasion - it wouldn't be much of a story if it was just an informal complaint.

it is very poor behaviour, and as i said before, points to a lack of people skills. if he wants to coach he needs to bring his methods into the 21st century because people don't stand for that any more and neither should they.

bellamy is not a manager and never will be as he lacks temperament and people skills.

what i said after it became clear he was being considered by the FAW for the wales job. sums him up quite well.

i assume his behaviour has been reported and he has refused to change on more than one occasion - it wouldn't be much of a story if it was just an informal complaint.

it is very poor behaviour, and as i said before, points to a lack of people skills. if he wants to coach he needs to bring his methods into the 21st century because people don't stand for that any more and neither should they.

You assume assumption, fella!

Nothing proven either way and so far only one oily rag has reported it in any length

I'd take a pound for every time I have been called a sheep shagger by an English man/woman. Life is tough get on with it! :

By your boss really? Odd working environment especially when working with younger people.

I joined the Army @ 17 years of age and was called all sorts in regard to being Welsh by NCO's in basic training and beyond. It didn't do me any harm whatsoever.

I'd take a pound for every time I have been called a sheep shagger by an English man/woman. Life is tough get on with it! :

By your boss really? Odd working environment especially when working with younger people.

living and working in England, I get called all sorts every day by the lads on a building site, and I give it back too, grow a pair kid and get on with it

Sounds like Banter with friends /work colleagues then not your manager. Seems nothing like the working environment of a football club or youth academy. Odd response

I don't think it is odd at all. There are apprentices on building sites and believe me they take stick.

bellamy is not a manager and never will be as he lacks temperament and people skills.

what i said after it became clear he was being considered by the FAW for the wales job. sums him up quite well.

i assume his behaviour has been reported and he has refused to change on more than one occasion - it wouldn't be much of a story if it was just an informal complaint.

it is very poor behaviour, and as i said before, points to a lack of people skills. if he wants to coach he needs to bring his methods into the 21st century because people don't stand for that any more and neither should they.

In other words Bellers should learn Snowflake management? I'm all for anti bullying but I also have a problem with those who cry wolf due to being over sensitive. Real sustained bullying is a million miles away from a few isolated references which in this case were not always directed at the academy player.

I used to love a cigar until I learnt what those women used to do with them, I’ll leave it to your imagination but let’s just say they left the factory I bit on the moist side.
Happy New Year everyone

The same people who blindly back the lad because he is English would call a Welsh lad (in the same situation) a snowflake.

I wonder why that is

The sooner we get rid of the Britnat deadwood from our fan base the better.

bellamy is not a manager and never will be as he lacks temperament and people skills.

what i said after it became clear he was being considered by the FAW for the wales job. sums him up quite well.

i assume his behaviour has been reported and he has refused to change on more than one occasion - it wouldn't be much of a story if it was just an informal complaint.

it is very poor behaviour, and as i said before, points to a lack of people skills. if he wants to coach he needs to bring his methods into the 21st century because people don't stand for that any more and neither should they.

In other words Bellers should learn Snowflake management? I'm all for anti bullying but I also have a problem with those who cry wolf due to being over sensitive. Real sustained bullying is a million miles away from a few isolated references which in this case were not always directed at the academy player.

in fairness, the same argument was made in the 80s with black players receiving racial abuse - get on with it, stop being a snowflake attitude. if the player doesn't want to be subjected to xenophobic abuse, then that's something bellamy needs to adapt to, not the player himself.

if it was the isolated comment here and there, then a slap on the wrists is fine. if it was a sustained campaign of bullying, then that has no place here. the fact the player is no longer at the club suggests the latter.

Apparently he's been suspended by the club.
It's a pity that this has happened, but I'm afraid it was inevitable that something eventually would because he doesn't seem to learn to think before he speaks and acts.
There may be no substance in it, but we know that in this day and age it'll probably ruin his chances in many ways. I should think Sky will drop him soon.

Personally I bet this has all been taken out of context and yes Bellamy is loud//shouts/ demanding / passionate etc but he won’t have made it a personal thing against a kid.

'Our son's character changed because of Craig Bellamy': Parents of Cardiff youngster say he quit after 'bullying'


By Craig Hope for the Daily Mail


2nd Jan 2018

Mother thought her daughter, 31, had been murdered when she saw her in bloodsoaked bed following sickening New Year attack by stranger over a bag of chips
Sportsmail exclusively revealed Craig Bellamy has been accused of intimidation
Alfie Madden was withdrawn from Cardiff academy after concerns for welfare
His parents took decision after meeting with Craig Bellamy and James McCarthy
Mother said: 'As soon as Bellamy arrived it was like a cloud came over the place'
The parents of a Cardiff City academy player removed their son from the club in 2017 because of alleged bullying by Craig Bellamy and say they called for the coach to be investigated.

David Madden, who played for Crystal Palace in the 1990 FA Cup final, and his wife Debby took the decision to withdraw their son Alfie, then 17, after a formal meeting with Bellamy and Cardiff academy manager James McCarthy left them deeply concerned for his welfare.



Sportsmail revealed on Monday that former Wales captain Bellamy has been accused of bullying and intimidating a young English player with xenophobic behaviour in his role as Under 18s head coach.


Cardiff academy coach Craig Bellamy has been accused of bullying and intimidation
But now, in correspondence seen by Sportsmail and sent to the club in September 2017, we can reveal that the parents of London-born Madden claimed he was being singled out by Bellamy.

David, 55, told Sportsmail: ‘It was a terrible thing to see your 17-year-old son go through. It was heartbreaking for us.

‘Straight after the meeting (with Bellamy), we went to his digs, got his stuff and came home. He was just desperately unhappy, and he’s a happy sort of boy. It was a relief on that journey home.

‘We then put it in writing to say that we feared for his welfare. We wanted Cardiff to investigate. We feel Bellamy should not be working with young players.’

The parents of Madden say that the meeting with Bellamy to discuss their concerns was the final straw.

Debby told Sportsmail: ‘Bellamy swore during the meeting. He was kicking his chair and slumped in it as if he wasn’t interested. He was like a spoilt kid in front of the headmaster.

‘At the end of the meeting he got up, never shook hands and walked away.

‘We said to (academy manager) James McCarthy, “We’re not prepared for our son to go through this on a daily basis”.

I'd take a pound for every time I have been called a sheep shagger by an English man/woman. Life is tough get on with it! :

By your boss really? Odd working environment especially when working with younger people.

I joined the Army @ 17 years of age and was called all sorts in regard to being Welsh by NCO's in basic training and beyond. It didn't do me any harm whatsoever.

Like corporal punishment in schools, Scotland was the last country in Europe to ban it, consequently I was given the belt (leather tawse) most days. It never did me any harm and if you don’t believe me just ask my dominatrix.

Probably just procedural whilst the investigation takes place.
You have to be tough to play professional football and Craig probably was trying to instill some of this into his side,
It is about winning and passion and if you do not have this you will never make it.
Sounds like the lad is not cut out for football and his parents just trying to get another chance for him and a termination of his contract.
Best if the lad is moved on , which probably has happened but Craig will have a stain on his character now for a while.
Would probably best if the investigation is carried out by persons outside of the club so they can put this to bed

Sad to say but I know one of CB sons doesn’t talk to him anymore, make of that what you will.
CB is his own worst enemy, he’ll never make it as a manager, reap what you sow and all that.

Apparently Sky have suspended him until this has been cleared up.

Did not realise this news is 18 months old !
Sounds very much like shit stirring on behalf of the daily mail and maddens parents.
Not doing the lad any favours by ressurecting this story either.
Not professional of Craig to behave in such a manner though in meetings with his parents.
Surely he should have taken the lead and tried to play things down.

Did not realise this news is 18 months old !
Sounds very much like shit stirring on behalf of the daily mail and maddens parents.
Not doing the lad any favours by ressurecting this story either.
Not professional of Craig to behave in such a manner though in meetings with his parents.
Surely he should have taken the lead and tried to play things down.

I smell a compensation claim coming.

Intimidation. That boys career in football is over. What does he do when a CB threatens to rip his lungs out.
Call Dad!!

just re read the Harry Arter/ Roy Keane threads..


boy there are some hypocrites on here..

I used to love a cigar until I learnt what those women used to do with them, I’ll leave it to your imagination but let’s just say they left the factory I bit on the moist side.
Happy New Year everyone

Learned or heard?

There is a difference and the real 'initiations' were bad enough without embellishment!

This all happened in July 2017, and they say they reported to the club then, funny it has only now come out, I wonder how much they are getting paid by the Mail, In my opinion it is all a load of bullshit, but well done all you having a go at Bellamy without knowing the true facts, most of you slag the rag mail off, but because its about Bellamy, then they are telling the truth