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Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:47 pm

thomasblue wrote:
smakerzthebluebird wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
phildavies wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think £2-5mill is spot on

He is 29 years old and only having his second season as a number 1. Last season until christmas he struggled and nearly lost his place.
He is having a very good season but he needs to be consistent over a number of seasons for his value to rocket.


Worth at most the same as smithies?

Would you be happy if we sold him for 2-5m? I'd better nearly every prem team would pick him up at that valuation.

The comparison to Marshall is fair but you have to remember that was a long time ago and prices have increased massively.


Would he be any other premier league sides #1 keeper ?

I like him but cant think of another team he would get into as #1. People are getting carried away with his current form he is a good goalkeeper not a great one ( Yet )

Joe Hart this year only went for £4million and he is not his level.
He is a very good championship keeper in my opinion and as such is worth under £5mill currently until he shows this form over a longer period


What a load of tosh he would easily get in the top 12 if not higher if people were asked to rate each teams Number one.


Ok lets test it, is he better than these keepers ?

Liverpool - Alison - No
Man city - Edison - No
Spurs - Lloris - No
Man utd - De Gea - No
Arsenal - Leno - No
Everton - Pickford - No
West Ham - Fabianski - No
Leicester - Schmeichael - No
Burnley - Hart - No
Bournemouth - Begovich - No
Chelsea - Kepa - No
Brighton - Matt Ryan - No
Saints - Mccarthy - No
Newcastle - Dubravka - Maybe
Fulham - Rico - Maybe
Wolves - Patricio - No
Huddersfield - Lossl - Yes
Palace - Speroni - No
Watford - Foster - No

Would you really put him in ahead of those other than the huddersfield keeper ?

Then we have reserve keepers who are also better like:

Nick Pope
Tom Heaton
Claudio Bravo
Petr Cech
Vorm
Cabballero
Hennessey

I would have nearly all of those keepers as our #1 if they were in the squad
We have a good goalkeeper who is getting better every week but hes nothing special and saying hes worth £10mill plus is a bit exagerated in my opinion.

Etheridge is a great shot stopper but the rest of his game is average



you just don't like him to the extent you now need to go to binocular savers..


I do like him and think hes having a great season. I just dont think he is as good as people make out and definatly not worth multi millions lime people are saying. Reminds me of Zahore last year when people were saying the same about him. Jumping the gun springs to mind


Shot stopping is the biggest part of a keepers game for fucks sake

None are particularly good at commanding the box for set pieces anymore it’s not like the old days most stay rooted to their line now

As I said earlier he would not concede many more than Alison if he was playing in that Liverpool side as he not that far behind in terms of shot stopping so why can’t he be worth 20% of Alison’s ridiculous fee?


Being a goalkeeper is a lot more than just shot stopping.

Organisation of the defence
Commanding the goal area
Distribution
Kicking
Throwing
Decision making
Shot stopping
Catching
Punching
Reading the game
Communication

You need to be good at all aspects to be seen as a top keeper, he at the moment is not, he is just a good goalkeeper because he is poor in a few of those departments especially distribution


Absolutely spot on with regards to shot stopping. There’s so much more to goalkeeping in the modern game as you’ve pointed out.
Also, can’t argue with the list of goalkeepers either.
It’s only been a tomato picking season that he’s been at this level, similar in a way to Zahore. I’d value him at 6-9 mill at present.

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:53 pm

Liverpool - Alison - No
Man city - Edison - No
Spurs - Lloris - Yes
Man utd - De Gea - No
Arsenal - Leno - Yes
Everton - Pickford - Yes
West Ham - Fabianski - Yes
Leicester - Schmeichael - No
Burnley - Hart - Yes
Bournemouth - Begovich - Yes
Chelsea - Kepa - Yes
Brighton - Matt Ryan - Yes
Saints - Mccarthy - Yes
Newcastle - Dubravka - Yes
Fulham - Rico - Yes
Wolves - Patricio - Yes
Huddersfield - Lossl - Yes
Palace - Speroni - Yes
Watford - Foster - No


Nick Pope - Yes
Tom Heaton - Yes
Claudio Bravo - Yes
Petr Cech - Yes
Vorm - Yes
Cabballero - Yes
Hennessey - Yes

I wouldn't drop Etheridge for any with a red yes next to them. His kicking needs improving but he's not been found wanting in any other department for me. Can't think of many this season he's let in where I felt he should have done better. Leno, Kepa, Lloris and Pickford have been throwing them in all season by comparison.

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:52 pm

for style of play we have he's priceless. But I can't honestly believe he would be of interest a team that wants ball possession

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:18 pm

Escy wrote:Liverpool - Alison - No
Man city - Edison - No
Spurs - Lloris - Yes
Man utd - De Gea - No
Arsenal - Leno - Yes
Everton - Pickford - Yes
West Ham - Fabianski - Yes
Leicester - Schmeichael - No
Burnley - Hart - Yes
Bournemouth - Begovich - Yes
Chelsea - Kepa - Yes
Brighton - Matt Ryan - Yes
Saints - Mccarthy - Yes
Newcastle - Dubravka - Yes
Fulham - Rico - Yes
Wolves - Patricio - Yes
Huddersfield - Lossl - Yes
Palace - Speroni - Yes
Watford - Foster - No


Nick Pope - Yes
Tom Heaton - Yes
Claudio Bravo - Yes
Petr Cech - Yes
Vorm - Yes
Cabballero - Yes
Hennessey - Yes

I wouldn't drop Etheridge for any with a red yes next to them. His kicking needs improving but he's not been found wanting in any other department for me. Can't think of many this season he's let in where I felt he should have done better. Leno, Kepa, Lloris and Pickford have been throwing them in all season by comparison.


Im glad you dont pick our team if you would have Etheridge over those four you mentioned

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:08 pm

thomasblue wrote:
smakerzthebluebird wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
phildavies wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think £2-5mill is spot on

He is 29 years old and only having his second season as a number 1. Last season until christmas he struggled and nearly lost his place.
He is having a very good season but he needs to be consistent over a number of seasons for his value to rocket.


Worth at most the same as smithies?

Would you be happy if we sold him for 2-5m? I'd better nearly every prem team would pick him up at that valuation.

The comparison to Marshall is fair but you have to remember that was a long time ago and prices have increased massively.


Would he be any other premier league sides #1 keeper ?

I like him but cant think of another team he would get into as #1. People are getting carried away with his current form he is a good goalkeeper not a great one ( Yet )

Joe Hart this year only went for £4million and he is not his level.
He is a very good championship keeper in my opinion and as such is worth under £5mill currently until he shows this form over a longer period


What a load of tosh he would easily get in the top 12 if not higher if people were asked to rate each teams Number one.


Ok lets test it, is he better than these keepers ?

Liverpool - Alison - No
Man city - Edison - No
Spurs - Lloris - No
Man utd - De Gea - No
Arsenal - Leno - No
Everton - Pickford - No
West Ham - Fabianski - No
Leicester - Schmeichael - No
Burnley - Hart - No
Bournemouth - Begovich - No
Chelsea - Kepa - No
Brighton - Matt Ryan - No
Saints - Mccarthy - No
Newcastle - Dubravka - Maybe
Fulham - Rico - Maybe
Wolves - Patricio - No
Huddersfield - Lossl - Yes
Palace - Speroni - No
Watford - Foster - No

Would you really put him in ahead of those other than the huddersfield keeper ?

Then we have reserve keepers who are also better like:

Nick Pope
Tom Heaton
Claudio Bravo
Petr Cech
Vorm
Cabballero
Hennessey

I would have nearly all of those keepers as our #1 if they were in the squad
We have a good goalkeeper who is getting better every week but hes nothing special and saying hes worth £10mill plus is a bit exagerated in my opinion.

Etheridge is a great shot stopper but the rest of his game is average



you just don't like him to the extent you now need to go to binocular savers..


I do like him and think hes having a great season. I just dont think he is as good as people make out and definatly not worth multi millions lime people are saying. Reminds me of Zahore last year when people were saying the same about him. Jumping the gun springs to mind


Shot stopping is the biggest part of a keepers game for fucks sake

None are particularly good at commanding the box for set pieces anymore it’s not like the old days most stay rooted to their line now

As I said earlier he would not concede many more than Alison if he was playing in that Liverpool side as he not that far behind in terms of shot stopping so why can’t he be worth 20% of Alison’s ridiculous fee?


Being a goalkeeper is a lot more than just shot stopping.

Organisation of the defence
Commanding the goal area
Distribution
Kicking
Throwing
Decision making
Shot stopping
Catching
Punching
Reading the game
Communication

You need to be good at all aspects to be seen as a top keeper, he at the moment is not, he is just a good goalkeeper because he is poor in a few of those departments especially distribution


He can kick fine turnbull couldn’t kick (distribution is kicking and throwing basically why include again) we don’t throw cps we don’t build front he back not his fault

He can catch and punch he punched a shot out for a thrown in yesterday he can catch when he tries but as I said modern game keepers stay rooted 9.9/10 times

He reads the game fine evidenced many times this season and yesterday when he beat Vardy and a few others to ball from poor back passes

His decisions making at times may be suspect reason I’d say he’s not as good as the top GK in league but the ball is in and around his area more than anyone else so he has more decisions to make hard to be super critical if he was sat in Liverpool’s his he would be asleep most games

I think your just looking to say any old tripe to justify your ridiculous price tags

If Alison is worth £70 Etheridge is minimum of £10m anything lower is an insult

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:40 pm

smakerzthebluebird wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
smakerzthebluebird wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
phildavies wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think £2-5mill is spot on

He is 29 years old and only having his second season as a number 1. Last season until christmas he struggled and nearly lost his place.
He is having a very good season but he needs to be consistent over a number of seasons for his value to rocket.


Worth at most the same as smithies?

Would you be happy if we sold him for 2-5m? I'd better nearly every prem team would pick him up at that valuation.

The comparison to Marshall is fair but you have to remember that was a long time ago and prices have increased massively.


Would he be any other premier league sides #1 keeper ?

I like him but cant think of another team he would get into as #1. People are getting carried away with his current form he is a good goalkeeper not a great one ( Yet )

Joe Hart this year only went for £4million and he is not his level.
He is a very good championship keeper in my opinion and as such is worth under £5mill currently until he shows this form over a longer period


What a load of tosh he would easily get in the top 12 if not higher if people were asked to rate each teams Number one.


Ok lets test it, is he better than these keepers ?

Liverpool - Alison - No
Man city - Edison - No
Spurs - Lloris - No
Man utd - De Gea - No
Arsenal - Leno - No
Everton - Pickford - No
West Ham - Fabianski - No
Leicester - Schmeichael - No
Burnley - Hart - No
Bournemouth - Begovich - No
Chelsea - Kepa - No
Brighton - Matt Ryan - No
Saints - Mccarthy - No
Newcastle - Dubravka - Maybe
Fulham - Rico - Maybe
Wolves - Patricio - No
Huddersfield - Lossl - Yes
Palace - Speroni - No
Watford - Foster - No

Would you really put him in ahead of those other than the huddersfield keeper ?

Then we have reserve keepers who are also better like:

Nick Pope
Tom Heaton
Claudio Bravo
Petr Cech
Vorm
Cabballero
Hennessey

I would have nearly all of those keepers as our #1 if they were in the squad
We have a good goalkeeper who is getting better every week but hes nothing special and saying hes worth £10mill plus is a bit exagerated in my opinion.

Etheridge is a great shot stopper but the rest of his game is average



you just don't like him to the extent you now need to go to binocular savers..


I do like him and think hes having a great season. I just dont think he is as good as people make out and definatly not worth multi millions lime people are saying. Reminds me of Zahore last year when people were saying the same about him. Jumping the gun springs to mind


Shot stopping is the biggest part of a keepers game for fucks sake

None are particularly good at commanding the box for set pieces anymore it’s not like the old days most stay rooted to their line now

As I said earlier he would not concede many more than Alison if he was playing in that Liverpool side as he not that far behind in terms of shot stopping so why can’t he be worth 20% of Alison’s ridiculous fee?


Being a goalkeeper is a lot more than just shot stopping.

Organisation of the defence
Commanding the goal area
Distribution
Kicking
Throwing
Decision making
Shot stopping
Catching
Punching
Reading the game
Communication

You need to be good at all aspects to be seen as a top keeper, he at the moment is not, he is just a good goalkeeper because he is poor in a few of those departments especially distribution


He can kick fine turnbull couldn’t kick (distribution is kicking and throwing basically why include again) we don’t throw cps we don’t build front he back not his fault

He can catch and punch he punched a shot out for a thrown in yesterday he can catch when he tries but as I said modern game keepers stay rooted 9.9/10 times

He reads the game fine evidenced many times this season and yesterday when he beat Vardy and a few others to ball from poor back passes

His decisions making at times may be suspect reason I’d say he’s not as good as the top GK in league but the ball is in and around his area more than anyone else so he has more decisions to make hard to be super critical if he was sat in Liverpool’s his he would be asleep most games

I think your just looking to say any old tripe to justify your ridiculous price tags

If Alison is worth £70 Etheridge is minimum of £10m anything lower is an insult


I would call my price realistic.
Take the blinkers off if he played for someone else you wouldnt want us to pay £10mill to sign him.

His distribution is poor by the way.

He is nearly 30 and only been a number one for three and a half years. Two years of that in league 1 for Walsall. He has done nothing to prove hes worth the price tag you are saying.

He does have potential to be worth that but hes not there yet he has a lot of improving to do

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:41 pm

He's not 29 yet mun, stop wishing his life away.

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:31 pm

29 with his prime years still to come as a keeper: I think me and Annis are around the same ball park 12mil and annis aaying 15 mil. I think that’s about bang on for a proven shot stopper, other parts of his game can be worked on, but personally I think he’s a good all rounder, command a great presence in the box, lovely distribution too.

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:02 am

thomasblue wrote:
phildavies wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think £2-5mill is spot on

He is 29 years old and only having his second season as a number 1. Last season until christmas he struggled and nearly lost his place.
He is having a very good season but he needs to be consistent over a number of seasons for his value to rocket.


Worth at most the same as smithies?

Would you be happy if we sold him for 2-5m? I'd better nearly every prem team would pick him up at that valuation.

The comparison to Marshall is fair but you have to remember that was a long time ago and prices have increased massively.


Would he be any other premier league sides #1 keeper ?

I like him but cant think of another team he would get into as #1. People are getting carried away with his current form he is a good goalkeeper not a great one ( Yet )

Joe Hart this year only went for £4million and he is not his level.
He is a very good championship keeper in my opinion and as such is worth under £5mill currently until he shows this form over a longer period


What a load of tosh he would easily get in the top 12 if not higher if people were asked to rate each teams Number one.


Ok lets test it, is he better than these keepers ?

Liverpool - Alison - No
Man city - Edison - No
Spurs - Lloris - No
Man utd - De Gea - No
Arsenal - Leno - No
Everton - Pickford - No
West Ham - Fabianski - No
Leicester - Schmeichael - No
Burnley - Hart - Yes
Bournemouth - Begovich - Yes
Chelsea - Kepa - Yes
Brighton - Matt Ryan - Yes
Saints - Mccarthy - Yes
Newcastle - Dubravka - Yes
Fulham - Rico - Yes
Wolves - Patricio - Yes
Huddersfield - Lossl - Yes
Palace - Speroni - Yes
Watford - Foster - Yes

Would you really put him in ahead of those other than the huddersfield keeper ?

Then we have reserve keepers who are also better like:

Nick Pope- Yes
Tom Heaton - Yes
Claudio Bravo- Yes
Petr Cech- No
Vorm -Yes
Cabballero- Yes
Hennessey- Yes

I would have nearly all of those keepers as our #1 if they were in the squad
We have a good goalkeeper who is getting better every week but hes nothing special and saying hes worth £10mill plus is a bit exagerated in my opinion.

Etheridge is a great shot stopper but the rest of his game is average


Corrected your deluded opinions to the truth :thumbup:

So in other words in terms on first choice picks I would place him 9th

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:13 am

BobbyBlue wrote:29 with his prime years still to come as a keeper: I think me and Annis are around the same ball park 12mil and annis aaying 15 mil. I think that’s about bang on for a proven shot stopper, other parts of his game can be worked on, but personally I think he’s a good all rounder, command a great presence in the box, lovely distribution too.


Agreed in today’s market if you another clubs number 1 keeper your paying £15-20m simple as he’s our number 1 and he’s been excellent

People forget he’s not sat in the Liverpool watching the game for 60 mins of the 90 he’s sat in our goal getting shit at from all over for most of the match

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:44 am

ThomasC wrote:for style of play we have he's priceless. But I can't honestly believe he would be of interest a team that wants ball possession




so you think all those long kicks are not under instruction to do so.? :o

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:24 am

dogfound wrote:
ThomasC wrote:for style of play we have he's priceless. But I can't honestly believe he would be of interest a team that wants ball possession




so you think all those long kicks are not under instruction to do so.? :o


Exaclty what I said watch our defence they turn their back soon as he gets it they don’t want to play out fromback ever they want to slow the game down so you can’t blame him for just kicking all the time that’s management instructions

Re: How much is Etheridge worth

Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:09 am

smakerzthebluebird wrote:
dogfound wrote:
ThomasC wrote:for style of play we have he's priceless. But I can't honestly believe he would be of interest a team that wants ball possession




so you think all those long kicks are not under instruction to do so.? :o


Exaclty what I said watch our defence they turn their back soon as he gets it they don’t want to play out fromback ever they want to slow the game down so you can’t blame him for just kicking all the time that’s management instructions



its 100% under instruction and has been from day 1, his distribution takes a kicking on here because its all long ball, often under pressure and often after a pretty ropey back pass...its totally unfair because any other option has been taken away...your correct the back four never spread they head for the half way line..the one game this did not happen along with our long throws disappearing was Spurs away { the game after we got slaughtered on sky with those endless shots of SM taking a throw in } his mixed distribution in that game looked more than decent to me..