' MASSIVE MASSIVE CLUB '

The biggest single factor in a 'big club' is the fan base, especially when not playing in the top division. To pick a few at random, Sunderland, Newcastle, Leeds, Villa, are big clubs.

And those clubs are situated in bigger cities hence the larger fan bases.

But to be fair to all those 4 clubs Tony, non of them have won much major for many many years.

They keep good support even during years of say relegation or lower division football home and away

You are right Annis I was trying to make a point (badly as it happens) that clubs in bigger cities must be bigger clubs because they have a natural fan base. I have always marvelled at how Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland and even not so long ago Manchester City kept their supporter levels whilst playing in the lower leagues.

If that was true then Bristol Rovers would be a much bigger club than us and Millwall would be bigger than Manchester City or Liverpool.

I noticed Sunderlands crowd and thought it reflected fantastic supporters, but although they're having problems right now I don't see how anyone can say they're not a huge club.

Some clubs are the real deal, wherever they are currently playing and it breaks my heart to see clubs like Portsmouth in such trouble. Personally I'd reconvene the league according to the overall footballing credentials of the clubs

We were talking about Leeds Sunderland Newcastle Villa not Bristol Rovers or Millwall BTW those clubs share their Cities with other clubs unlike Newcastle Sunderland or Leeds so your point drops like a lead balloon.

"Massive, massive club"...with just one major trophy in the last 80 (eighty) years!

Same as Newcastle, decent sized club that just get large crowds!

He has a point.

There of course a big club but really they just have a big fan base. The things there most famous for in the last couple of years is back to back relegations an having a nonce in there first team squad.

Massive massive clubs do not have to ask for there fans to come and replace there cheap faded seats for them.

so whats stopping them being massive is they do not have some dodgy billionaire to bankroll some new seats..?
or buy them trophies.?
had the Chelsea or Man Citys owners decided to go to the north east instead you and Baz would be now saying the same about Chelsea and Man City.
i think size of club is crowd based , ambition changes and trophies can be funded for limited periods .

Don't presume to have any insight as to what one's opinions may be as regards other clubs or speculative alternative scenarios. Personally I wouldn't consider Chelsea or Manchester City to be massive clubs...

trophies..both clubs have won quite a few.history both clubs have won these trophies over a hundred year window..ambition..both veryt ambitous...fan base,, both have a good fan base...my presumption was based on your post quoting those 4 things...eh oh move the goalposts

As the saying goes...'assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups', try sticking to airing your own opinions rather than second guessing others opinions...

Yes, not doubting their support. Sunderland has a fantastic support.

Chris, Correct and some will always try and make excuses instead of just admitting it about another club

You say excuses, but they are reasons. .....

yes in this day and age you can point at other entertainment ..maybe.. but they have been well supported throughout their history..

Exactly and whereas other areas have seen growth in professional sporting teams and the rise of other entertainment avenues, Sunderland have not.

So to their benefit the club maintained their support while others saw theirs be able to turn to other options when the club's were not winning.

Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic achievement for Sunderland and deserves nothing but praise.

I think a few are questioning the MASSIVE club tag and suggesting there is more to obtaining that status than crowds alone, no one is questiong that they have MASSIVE support.

Well said sir.

Sunderland:

Population of Sunderland is less than 180,000, with surrounding areas 280,000 population.

Cardiff 350,000, with surrounding areas nearly 600,000.



Sunderland with No great history of winning anything, have absolutely amazing support.

I have been there when they brought 10,000 fans to Ninian Park, only them and Sheff Wed have ever done that

I also watched them play away at Tranmere and Sunderland took 12,000 fans.

I was at Roker Park about 1978 Sunderland 1 Cardiff 2 26,000 including 150 Cardiff fans

How many did Celtic bring down?

Back in the 70's when both us and Sunderland were in the second division, our gates were not massively different to each other. I think the main difference is Sunderland seem to keep a healthy fan base wherever they play. When Cardiff start to struggle and fall down the leagues, the fans desert them in droves. They then stay away until success returns, and suddenly thousands who showed no interest when the club could have done with some of them, are snapping up season tickets like they are going out of fashion. Looks to me as if Sunderland have a more loyal set of fans who will stay with them wherever they are.

Two relegations for us, and we would be hard pushed to get much more than 10k on a regular basis. I think two thirds of the fans would vanish, as happened before.

Yes, not doubting their support. Sunderland has a fantastic support.

Chris, Correct and some will always try and make excuses instead of just admitting it about another club

You say excuses, but they are reasons. .....

yes in this day and age you can point at other entertainment ..maybe.. but they have been well supported throughout their history..

Exactly and whereas other areas have seen growth in professional sporting teams and the rise of other entertainment avenues, Sunderland have not.

So to their benefit the club maintained their support while others saw theirs be able to turn to other options when the club's were not winning.

Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic achievement for Sunderland and deserves nothing but praise.

I think a few are questioning the MASSIVE club tag and suggesting there is more to obtaining that status than crowds alone, no one is questiong that they have MASSIVE support.

this very very vague other areas have seen growth in pro sport ..what areas/cities exactly and what sports all of a sudden are attracting fans away from football..truth is football has grown everywhere..

There are only two massive clubs in Britain Manchester United and Liverpool.

There are only two massive clubs in Britain Manchester United and Liverpool.

Wise words of wisdom.

"Massive, massive club"...with just one major trophy in the last 80 (eighty) years!

Same as Newcastle, decent sized club that just get large crowds!

He has a point.

There of course a big club but really they just have a big fan base. The things there most famous for in the last couple of years is back to back relegations an having a nonce in there first team squad.

Massive massive clubs do not have to ask for there fans to come and replace there cheap faded seats for them.

so whats stopping them being massive is they do not have some dodgy billionaire to bankroll some new seats..?
or buy them trophies.?
had the Chelsea or Man Citys owners decided to go to the north east instead you and Baz would be now saying the same about Chelsea and Man City.
i think size of club is crowd based , ambition changes and trophies can be funded for limited periods .

Don't presume to have any insight as to what one's opinions may be as regards other clubs or speculative alternative scenarios. Personally I wouldn't consider Chelsea or Manchester City to be massive clubs...

trophies..both clubs have won quite a few.history both clubs have won these trophies over a hundred year window..ambition..both veryt ambitous...fan base,, both have a good fan base...my presumption was based on your post quoting those 4 things...eh oh move the goalposts

As the saying goes...'assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups', try sticking to airing your own opinions rather than second guessing others opinions...

or just burn the goalposts altogether eh...
you said it so no assumption

"Massive, massive club"...with just one major trophy in the last 80 (eighty) years!

Same as Newcastle, decent sized club that just get large crowds!

He has a point.

There of course a big club but really they just have a big fan base. The things there most famous for in the last couple of years is back to back relegations an having a nonce in there first team squad.

Massive massive clubs do not have to ask for there fans to come and replace there cheap faded seats for them.

so whats stopping them being massive is they do not have some dodgy billionaire to bankroll some new seats..?
or buy them trophies.?
had the Chelsea or Man Citys owners decided to go to the north east instead you and Baz would be now saying the same about Chelsea and Man City.
i think size of club is crowd based , ambition changes and trophies can be funded for limited periods .

Don't presume to have any insight as to what one's opinions may be as regards other clubs or speculative alternative scenarios. Personally I wouldn't consider Chelsea or Manchester City to be massive clubs...

trophies..both clubs have won quite a few.history both clubs have won these trophies over a hundred year window..ambition..both veryt ambitous...fan base,, both have a good fan base...my presumption was based on your post quoting those 4 things...eh oh move the goalposts

As the saying goes...'assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups', try sticking to airing your own opinions rather than second guessing others opinions...

or just burn the goalposts altogether eh...
you said it so no assumption

"Massive, massive club"...with just one major trophy in the last 80 (eighty) years!

Same as Newcastle, decent sized club that just get large crowds!

He has a point.

There of course a big club but really they just have a big fan base. The things there most famous for in the last couple of years is back to back relegations an having a nonce in there first team squad.

Massive massive clubs do not have to ask for there fans to come and replace there cheap faded seats for them.

so whats stopping them being massive is they do not have some dodgy billionaire to bankroll some new seats..?
or buy them trophies.?
had the Chelsea or Man Citys owners decided to go to the north east instead you and Baz would be now saying the same about Chelsea and Man City.
i think size of club is crowd based , ambition changes and trophies can be funded for limited periods .

Don't presume to have any insight as to what one's opinions may be as regards other clubs or speculative alternative scenarios. Personally I wouldn't consider Chelsea or Manchester City to be massive clubs...

trophies..both clubs have won quite a few.history both clubs have won these trophies over a hundred year window..ambition..both veryt ambitous...fan base,, both have a good fan base...my presumption was based on your post quoting those 4 things...eh oh move the goalposts

As the saying goes...'assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups', try sticking to airing your own opinions rather than second guessing others opinions...

or just burn the goalposts altogether eh...
you said it so no assumption

Leave you to your giggling emojis, hard to top that as a closing statement!

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