Cardiff City board and Tan has no ambition for our club.

dogfound, no club will progress at PL level without investment. Furthermore, no business anywhere, will prosper without investmemt.

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dogfound, no club will progress at PL level without investment. Furthermore, no business anywhere, will prosper without investmemt.

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the questions are how much investment and what can be considered progress at PL level...?
how much..well we have already bought 4 players and borrowed 2 {no idea if there were loan fees } who i assume are all on decent wages and came with signing on fees, agents fees and god knows what else..this is investment..and no doubt there will be more next month..
progress at premier league level......is there such a thing.? there are the current big 6 and Everton who have been there forever and after those 7 pretty much anyone can go down..the 3 relegated last season were also the 3 clubs outside that 7 who had been in the division the longest..it doesnt seem to be a case of building year on year unless a new owner with billions to chuck at it arrives and maybe challenge at the very top.

and sorry but as for this any business anywhere..most chairmen/owners have said its like NO other business..no other business regularly invests 10s of millions on improvements with such a high failure rate..
personally i think we have a fantastic manager, players that work their nuts off and a chairman that has consistently propped up the club..i trust them to do whats best..

dogfound, no club will progress at PL level without investment. Furthermore, no business anywhere, will prosper without investmemt.

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This is spot on, it's like any business and if you don't invest you won't prosper. Can't buy into if we go down we will be in a good position to bounce back up, Warnock is 70 years of age and would he really want to go through it all again? We've done the hard bit by getting there and should do everything to remain there and it's clear we need to strengthen this squad to survive. I personally will be gutted if we go down due to not willing to pay for quality and certainly would put a question mark on the ambition of the club.

dogfound, no club will progress at PL level without investment. Furthermore, no business anywhere, will prosper without investmemt.

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This is spot on, it's like any business and if you don't invest you won't prosper. Can't buy into if we go down we will be in a good position to bounce back up, Warnock is 70 years of age and would he really want to go through it all again? We've done the hard bit by getting there and should do everything to remain there and it's clear we need to strengthen this squad to survive. I personally will be gutted if we go down due to not willing to pay for quality and certainly would put a question mark on the ambition of the club.

Great post

Steven Zodiac
I’m saying it’s realisation, Warnock has stated on the record, that he needs quality players to stay and progress,if we have to invest in quality to progress and succeed in the Premier. I want success, for those of you that are happy in the Championship, then I’m not,we must stay up, the revenue from the Premier league is enormous for the South Wales area. Tan would be a fool not to invest and realise this, “to be debt free you say” we are a big club and have a big fan catchment area. Most clubs are not debt free,
but can also run at a profit turnover each season. They invest in quality players to stay in the Premier league. Just look at the figures for each club in the Premier league and financial turnover. (Profit and turnover.& financial loss)
“Tan must show conviction and back Warnock with quality players. Sieze the moment and have ambition in January
“Vincent Tan.” https://amp.theguardian.com/football/20 ... de-2016-17

Sven,
I’m not naive and obviously I don’t agree with you and I’ve supported the club for nearly 50 years, I was delighted when Cardiff City got up to the top flight again. Their has been sensible posts on here and investing to progress is the most sensible one,
yo - yo ing back and for is not what I want, we are a big City with a large fan base, we deserve Premier league football. We failed in the Summer to find a striker and didn’t spend our full transfer money. To have sell out attendences is obviously good for revenue too, we need more quality in our side,Warnock have already said this himself, he needs Tan to back him in January

Respect your opinions but surely not BEFORE the window has even opened?

51st season as a constant Cardiff City supporter, so (like you) I appreciate what real bad times and underfunding are...and they are not now!

Agree that we are a big city with a big (potential) fanbase but too many of our supporters are not currently 'loyal' in the true sense of the word. This will have an effect on Board thinking...

Some might not like this but we are building something under Tan and whilst I believe the club should push the boat out a little IF they believe they have the right target(s) within reasonable budgets, I also believe the club itself must be the priority

For sensible comment, I refer to castle blue's comments above

Steven Zodiac
I’m saying it’s realisation, Warnock has stated on the record, that he needs quality players to stay and progress,if we have to invest in quality to progress and succeed in the Premier. I want success, for those of you that are happy in the Championship, then I’m not,we must stay up, the revenue from the Premier league is enormous for the South Wales area. Tan would be a fool not to invest and realise this, “to be debt free you say” we are a big club and have a big fan catchment area. Most clubs are not debt free,
but can also run at a profit turnover each season. They invest in quality players to stay in the Premier league. Just look at the figures for each club in the Premier league and financial turnover. (Profit and turnover.& financial loss)
“Tan must show conviction and back Warnock with quality players. Sieze the moment and have ambition in January
“Vincent Tan.” https://amp.theguardian.com/football/20 ... de-2016-17

Easy answer to the problem. Find someone who is prepared to risk millions of their own money, invite them to repay Tan's money, and possibly we can be a PL club for many years. Doubt if there is a queue of potential investors desperate to pump money into Cardiff City, but if you can find one, I expect Tan would be happy to listen to offers. Plenty of fans on here happy enough to advise Tan on what to do. I have an idea that he knows a little bit more about business, risk and reward, than any of us on this forum. That is why he is worth millions and we are not.

Steve Zodiac
You made the point of Premiership for years to come, it’s contradiction in terms,”it’s Tan’s money, and his stake in the club”.
“No it’s not just Tan’s money it’s Cardiff fan’s hard earned paid money week in week out”,Fans also have a stake in the club. We have the biggest say, no fans turning up, no club! The club is bigger than any owner and he will go one day. I’m saying he has no ambition for Cardiff or motivation, Tan’s motivation is to recoup his money and go. Look at the fiasco Tan caused with his stupid ideas, making bad choices. Granted he’s apologised, but thousands turned away and some still haven’t come back.
Tan cost the club upset and financial loss too,gate receipts falling. We have a chance with Warnock to consolidate our position in the Premier league, if Tan won’t back him, we need a new owner that will keep us in the Premiership for years to come.Invest and success will come competivily and financially. “ Back Warnock “

dogfound, no club will progress at PL level without investment. Furthermore, no business anywhere, will prosper without investmemt.

StT.
<><

the questions are how much investment and what can be considered progress at PL level...?
how much..well we have already bought 4 players and borrowed 2 {no idea if there were loan fees } who i assume are all on decent wages and came with signing on fees, agents fees and god knows what else..this is investment..and no doubt there will be more next month..
progress at premier league level......is there such a thing.? there are the current big 6 and Everton who have been there forever and after those 7 pretty much anyone can go down..the 3 relegated last season were also the 3 clubs outside that 7 who had been in the division the longest..it doesnt seem to be a case of building year on year unless a new owner with billions to chuck at it arrives and maybe challenge at the very top.

and sorry but as for this any business anywhere..most chairmen/owners have said its like NO other business..no other business regularly invests 10s of millions on improvements with such a high failure rate..
personally i think we have a fantastic manager, players that work their nuts off and a chairman that has consistently propped up the club..i trust them to do whats best..

Great post and as per banana bobs statement, football is not like any other business.

Sven,
I’m not naive and obviously I don’t agree with you and I’ve supported the club for nearly 50 years, I was delighted when Cardiff City got up to the top flight again. Their has been sensible posts on here and investing to progress is the most sensible one,
yo - yo ing back and for is not what I want, we are a big City with a large fan base, we deserve Premier league football. We failed in the Summer to find a striker and didn’t spend our full transfer money. To have sell out attendences is obviously good for revenue too, we need more quality in our side,Warnock have already said this himself, he needs Tan to back him in January

Respect your opinions but surely not BEFORE the window has even opened?

51st season as a constant Cardiff City supporter, so (like you) I appreciate what real bad times and underfunding are...and they are not now!

Agree that we are a big city with a big (potential) fanbase but too many of our supporters are not currently 'loyal' in the true sense of the word. This will have an effect on Board thinking...

Some might not like this but we are building something under Tan and whilst I believe the club should push the boat out a little IF they believe they have the right target(s) within reasonable budgets, I also believe the club itself must be the priority

For sensible comment, I refer to castle blue's comments above

Good post Chris.
People forget that Tan hasn’t withdrawn any money from the club as such and in fact he pours in his own money on a monthly basis (at least he has for the las few years) just to keep the club afloat.
Probably the same people moaning that we’re not spending 20 odd million on a striker would be complaining if we got into ffp or got relegated and had to continue paying sky high wages in the championship.
The clubs being run correctly by an owner who’s doing things right IMO. Saying this, I would love to see a few fresh players come in and I think they will in the next few weeks.

If you don't gosub a program loop, you'll never get a subroutine.

But that’s easy to say when it’s not my money.

A thread made for hits or the OP hadn’t a clue about Cardiff CIty or football.. embarrassing really.

A thread made for hits or the OP hadn’t a clue about Cardiff CIty or football.. embarrassing really.

I'll give you a clue...thread NOT made for 'hits'

Steve Zodiac
You made the point of Premiership for years to come, it’s contradiction in terms,”it’s Tan’s money, and his stake in the club”.
“No it’s not just Tan’s money it’s Cardiff fan’s hard earned paid money week in week out”,Fans also have a stake in the club. We have the biggest say, no fans turning up, no club! The club is bigger than any owner and he will go one day. I’m saying he has no ambition for Cardiff or motivation, Tan’s motivation is to recoup his money and go. Look at the fiasco Tan caused with his stupid ideas, making bad choices. Granted he’s apologised, but thousands turned away and some still haven’t come back.
Tan cost the club upset and financial loss too,gate receipts falling. We have a chance with Warnock to consolidate our position in the Premier league, if Tan won’t back him, we need a new owner that will keep us in the Premiership for years to come.Invest and success will come competivily and financially. “ Back Warnock “

Back a manager who as got what 2yrs left at most?
Owners do not grow on trees this one will sell that's well documented so please inform us how do we get some multi billionaire to take us over? And one that's not like venkies or the yanks down m4! Staying in premiership won't guarantee it will entice such a being to buy us, tan as well documented his plan for club and that's whats happening for good or bad.

For the fans saying Tan lacks ambition, here are thr comments of our auditors on the latest financial accounts.

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For the fans saying Tan lacks ambition, here are the comments of our auditors on the latest financial accounts.

We clearly have a lot to be grateful for

Sadly, some will claim it as 'Fake News' to suit their continuing and antiquated anti-Tan at all costs agendas

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

For the fans saying Tan lacks ambition, here are thr comments of our auditors on the latest financial accounts.

Maybe this post should be a permanent OT and stay as the first thread on the forums General Chat. VT is by no means the perfect chairman, and he splits opinion. But the financial facts speak for themselves. And considering our chequered history IMHO he is the best one we have had. We might have gone out of the league's without him. He is never going to plough enough money in for some, but I think Neil Warnock will get maybe £20 million if he can find the players.

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

It’s because of their considerable experience running football clubs.

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

It’s because of their considerable experience running football clubs.

That FIFA 18 has a lot to answer for, Neil

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

It’s because of their considerable experience running football clubs.

That FIFA 18 has a lot to answer for, Neil

I can’t fathom it.

It’s the same people who moaned about the debt from last time Tan pushed the boat out to get us up, then spent more when we went up and then more when we went down trying to get us back up.

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

It’s because of their considerable experience running football clubs.

That FIFA 18 has a lot to answer for, Neil

I can’t fathom it.

It’s the same people who moaned about the debt from last time Tan pushed the boat out to get us up, then spent more when we went up and then more when we went down trying to get us back up.

I can..
they quite simply hate Tan...cost the club in gate receipts, thousands turned their backs..etc etc etc..
it really is not about investment its about having a stick to beat him with...if he gave NW 100 mill and then we go down same people would be saying Tan signs the cheques so Tans fault for the players bought not being good enough..
fortunately its the minority

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

It’s because of their considerable experience running football clubs.

That FIFA 18 has a lot to answer for, Neil

I can’t fathom it.

It’s the same people who moaned about the debt from last time Tan pushed the boat out to get us up, then spent more when we went up and then more when we went down trying to get us back up.

I can..
they quite simply hate Tan...cost the club in gate receipts, thousands turned their backs..etc etc etc..
it really is not about investment its about having a stick to beat him with...if he gave NW 100 mill and then we go down same people would be saying Tan signs the cheques so Tans fault for the players bought not being good enough..
fortunately its the minority

Agree it’s the minority.

Can’t see how anyone would think anything other than Tan is our best owner.

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

It’s because of their considerable experience running football clubs.

That FIFA 18 has a lot to answer for, Neil

I can’t fathom it.

It’s the same people who moaned about the debt from last time Tan pushed the boat out to get us up, then spent more when we went up and then more when we went down trying to get us back up.

I can..
they quite simply hate Tan...cost the club in gate receipts, thousands turned their backs..etc etc etc..
it really is not about investment its about having a stick to beat him with...if he gave NW 100 mill and then we go down same people would be saying Tan signs the cheques so Tans fault for the players bought not being good enough..
fortunately its the minority

I too find it difficult to agree with the bit of costing the club because thousands turned their backs. I would check the gates prior to Tan's arrival compared to the number we see most weeks now. I was never a fan of Tan because of the red shirt fiasco. Does not mean I cannot stand back and take a look at things from a neutral point of view, and there is no doubt that he has tried to put those mistakes behind him, and there is certainly no doubt that without his cash, we would not be even arguing about spending money to stay in the PL. Had he not arrived when he did, there is no telling where we would be playing now, but quite possibly we may have had two league fixtures against Newport rather than Liverpool.

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

It’s because of their considerable experience running football clubs.

That FIFA 18 has a lot to answer for, Neil

I can’t fathom it.

It’s the same people who moaned about the debt from last time Tan pushed the boat out to get us up, then spent more when we went up and then more when we went down trying to get us back up.

I can..
they quite simply hate Tan...cost the club in gate receipts, thousands turned their backs..etc etc etc..
it really is not about investment its about having a stick to beat him with...if he gave NW 100 mill and then we go down same people would be saying Tan signs the cheques so Tans fault for the players bought not being good enough..
fortunately its the minority

I too find it difficult to agree with the bit of costing the club because thousands turned their backs. I would check the gates prior to Tan's arrival compared to the number we see most weeks now. I was never a fan of Tan because of the red shirt fiasco. Does not mean I cannot stand back and take a look at things from a neutral point of view, and there is no doubt that he has tried to put those mistakes behind him, and there is certainly no doubt that without his cash, we would not be even arguing about spending money to stay in the PL. Had he not arrived when he did, there is no telling where we would be playing now, but quite possibly we may have had two league fixtures against Newport rather than Liverpool.

I did multiple stats based threads on this.

They showed our crowds were related to success and success alone.

Tan has brought success, that has brought crowds. Fact.

It seems that the majority in here recognise that, (while he has made some mistakes), Vincent Tan has done a lot for the club and has been honest in his dealings with the club.
Some good common sense posts here....long may it continue whatever the outcome at the end of the season.
I spent over 50 years supporting the club and it is only under VTs ownership that we have reached the top league......TWICE.

It’s a myth that Tan is not backing our Manager,Neil has always said he has him full backing and in fact he had another 10m to spend in the Summer but couldn’t get in the striker he wanted.Also we were the 14th highest NET spenders in the summer see tranfermarkt and others more than Spurs, Man City and Newcastle’s etc! and the fifth highest NET spenders in the Championship last season. So if Neil can find the right players to fit into our squad in January,Tan WILL back him as he did with Malky and Ole!

Dogfound said above that this is not like any other business. He is correct,it is difficult to compare football clubs to any other business. During my years in finance, including business and commercial banking, for the majority of those years there were always two businesses that would set alarm bells ringing when coming to you for money. Football clubs and pubs. They were always considered among some of the higher risk customers, and I am sure there are other forum members involved in banking who will know this to be true.
I have no idea what the present financial position of this club is today, but I can make a pretty good guess that it has huge debts, and that Tan's money has been the main factor in firstly saving us from the taxman, before ultimately getting us to the PL. The fact we still have a club, and almost unbelievably a club playing PL football is down to Tan's cash, and that is why I think it is stretching things a bit to say he has no ambition for the club.
There are still plenty of people around who can recall the days the last thing you wanted to own was a cheque drawn on Cardiff City FC. If you paid that into your bank account, it would be taken back out a few days later and you would get it back in the post with red writing written all over the top of it.
That's how far we have come, from a club fighting for survival in the lower leagues playing Darlington in front of a few thousand, to playing Man U in front of a full house. There are only a small handful of people who have made that possible, and like him or hate him, Tan is right at the top of that list.

good post..
im dumbfounded just how many people will put the phrase...just like any other business ...in their posts .

It’s because of their considerable experience running football clubs.

That FIFA 18 has a lot to answer for, Neil

I can’t fathom it.

It’s the same people who moaned about the debt from last time Tan pushed the boat out to get us up, then spent more when we went up and then more when we went down trying to get us back up.

I can..
they quite simply hate Tan...cost the club in gate receipts, thousands turned their backs..etc etc etc..
it really is not about investment its about having a stick to beat him with...if he gave NW 100 mill and then we go down same people would be saying Tan signs the cheques so Tans fault for the players bought not being good enough..
fortunately its the minority

I too find it difficult to agree with the bit of costing the club because thousands turned their backs. I would check the gates prior to Tan's arrival compared to the number we see most weeks now. I was never a fan of Tan because of the red shirt fiasco. Does not mean I cannot stand back and take a look at things from a neutral point of view, and there is no doubt that he has tried to put those mistakes behind him, and there is certainly no doubt that without his cash, we would not be even arguing about spending money to stay in the PL. Had he not arrived when he did, there is no telling where we would be playing now, but quite possibly we may have had two league fixtures against Newport rather than Liverpool.

This topic was discussed at length fair while ago what it boils down to is people are claiming that our lower attendances by the way was around 6k average lower was all down to tan nothing to do with crap football economic downturn ect ect, yes lost fans to tans red but not 100% of the shortfall as being claimed by some people