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Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:55 pm

SirJimmySchoular wrote:Well, Barry Jones I'd have thought was an obvious omission . Les Lee - was he in there somewhere or not ? I'd also say Ronnie Bird was one of our most spectacular players, even though he rarely got on the field for long.
Was Squires not worth a mention in goal ?
Not sure I could agree with Gary Bell in this context but we remember him well and fondly , in which spirit we've surely got to mention his partner ( in the old fashioned sense of that word), Dave Carver, and Mel Sutton.

You've got me there. Never heard of Squires. Jones and Lee were both useful in midfield but not a patch on Gibson or Allchurch. Mel Sutton I liked but not enough to pick him.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:57 pm

What about the legendary John Charles, scored from a free kick inside our half on his debut against Norwich?

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:04 pm

HarriRhys22 wrote:What about the legendary John Charles, scored from a free kick inside our half on his debut against Norwich?

Sorry to say King John's best days were well behind him when he came to us. Apparently we tried to sign him before he went to Juventus and then Tommy Taylor before we eventually settled for Trevor Ford who cost us £30,000 in the mid 50s. A tidy sum then

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:33 pm

Kingyccfc wrote:Jason Koumas. 40 odd games does he qualify?


Best player I've seen in a city shirt.. I was born in 93 and started watching from a young age :thumbright:

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:58 pm

Barrie Jones. What a great winger :bluescarf:

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:17 pm

Mel Charles, Mike England and Graham Moore.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:00 pm

mugsy wrote:
pick and shovel wrote:
salopiancity wrote:Always liked Peter Sawyer.

Don't you mean Tom.


Don't you mean Ramsey? Also your original list totalled 22 - including Delaney twice :)

Just goes to show nobody's perfect. But I did mean it as a joke.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:06 pm

pick and shovel wrote:
dogfound wrote:
pick and shovel wrote:Since following the City since 1960, I have come up with a list of what i think are our 20 best players since then who all played a significant number of games for our club. Please feel free to point out any gl
glaring omissions and who you would personally remove from my list. In no particular order :



Ivor Allchurch
Ian Gibson
Ron Healy
Brian Harris
Michael Chopra
Phil Dwyer
Derek Tapscott
David Marshall
John Toshack
Don Murray
Billy Ronson
Willie Anderson
Brian Clark
Phil Stant
Tony Evans
Carl Dale
Nigel Vaughan
Mark Delaney
Dave Bennett
Alan Warboys
Peter King.
Mark Delaney.




think this is more a list of your favourites than the best players......many of my favs from different divisions and different eras in there too..personal favs missing for me Blake...Gary Bennett....Doug Livermore..
but been in the prem twice now yet only 1 prem player makes the ;list..?????????

There are 3 actually : Marshall, Tapscott and Peter King



before my time but yes you are correct..

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:06 pm

Brezza wrote:Barrie Jones. What a great winger :bluescarf:

I think he played more of a midfield role for us even though he started out as a winger with Swansea Town

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:14 pm

Penboy wrote:Mel Charles, Mike England and Graham Moore.

Mel was good in the air but suffered from cartilage trouble restricting his movement on the floor. Though a great centre half for Tottenham and Wales, England was past his best when he signed for us. He did however contribute towards a promotion but only lasted one season. As for Moore, I idolised him when I first saw him play when I was a boy and on reflection maybe I should have included him

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:20 pm

Can't argue with the list, great selection.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:34 pm

Most names have been mentioned from the Harris Murray era...which is the team I have fondest memories of. I remember Greg Farrell play and always thought he was very skillfull and could be in with a shout. - I have a memory of him being sent off against Palace for flooring one of them :shock: Also a mention for Ronnie Bird (head down full speed ahead and WHACK), and Norman Dean for his Cup Winners Cup exploits).

But thinking of the top 20 I'd have to have either Etheridge or Marshall :thumbup: (rather than Wilson or Fred Davies who were the Schouler era again).
Prob one of 2 others in the present squad could also have a shout as they won promotion to the Prem and some were outstanding in the Championship. :bluebird:

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:36 pm

Ronnie Bird. Okay, :old: I was young, but he was my hero when I was ten.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:49 pm

dogfound wrote:
pick and shovel wrote:
dogfound wrote:
pick and shovel wrote:Since following the City since 1960, I have come up with a list of what i think are our 20 best players since then who all played a significant number of games for our club. Please feel free to point out any gl
glaring omissions and who you would personally remove from my list. In no particular order :



Ivor Allchurch
Ian Gibson
Ron Healy
Brian Harris
Michael Chopra
Phil Dwyer
Derek Tapscott
David Marshall
John Toshack
Don Murray
Billy Ronson
Willie Anderson
Brian Clark
Phil Stant
Tony Evans
Carl Dale
Nigel Vaughan
Mark Delaney
Dave Bennett
Alan Warboys
Peter King.
Mark Delaney.




think this is more a list of your favourites than the best players......many of my favs from different divisions and different eras in there too..personal favs missing for me Blake...Gary Bennett....Doug Livermore..
but been in the prem twice now yet only 1 prem player makes the ;list..?????????

There are 3 actually : Marshall, Tapscott and Peter King



before my time but yes you are correct..

Cheers. I think a few others played in the top flight but not with us namely Allchurch, Toshack,Delaney Bennett, Harris, Chopra and Anderson. I think Gibson and Ron Healy may have too. Not sure though. Maybe someone could clarify please

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:59 pm

GENERAL CHAT wrote:Ronnie Bird. Okay, :old: I was young, but he was my hero when I was ten.

I can understand this. I recall him tearing down the left wing, occasionally leaving the ball behind but also scoring some cracking goals. R.i.P Ronnie

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:01 pm

banana bob wrote:Can't argue with the list, great selection.

I think I love you.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:16 pm

Adrian Alston was good enough to get the magic hat

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pm

CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
Kingyccfc wrote:Jason Koumas. 40 odd games does he qualify?


Best player I've seen in a city shirt.. I was born in 93 and started watching from a young age :thumbright:


Never seen anyone even close to his quality myself and so sad he didn't stick around longer

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:48 pm

pick and shovel wrote:Since following the City since 1960, I have come up with a list of what i think are our 20 best players since then who all played a significant number of games for our club. Please feel free to point out any gl
glaring omissions and who you would personally remove from my list. In no particular order :



Ivor Allchurch
Ian Gibson
Ron Healy
Brian Harris
Michael Chopra
Phil Dwyer
Derek Tapscott
David Marshall
John Toshack
Don Murray
Billy Ronson
Willie Anderson
Brian Clark
Phil Stant
Tony Evans
Carl Dale
Nigel Vaughan
Mark Delaney
Dave Bennett
Alan Warboys
Peter King.
Mark Delaney.


Not much wrong with that list. I would have most of those names in my top 20.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:09 pm

pick and shovel wrote:Since following the City since 1960, I have come up with a list of what i think are our 20 best players since then who all played a significant number of games for our club. Please feel free to point out any gl
glaring omissions and who you would personally remove from my list. In no particular order :



Ivor Allchurch
Ian Gibson
Ron Healy
Brian Harris
Michael Chopra
Phil Dwyer
Derek Tapscott
David Marshall
John Toshack
Don Murray
Billy Ronson
Willie Anderson
Brian Clark
Phil Stant
Tony Evans
Carl Dale
Nigel Vaughan
Mark Delaney
Dave Bennett
Alan Warboys
Peter King.
Mark Delaney.


Was Young lad in 69/70 season, my first games down old Ninian park with my Dad (RIP). So too young to remember Allchurch and Tapscott, so could not personally comment but I am sure they were Brill.

I think most of your selection is spot on but in place of Allchurch and tapscott(for the above reason), I would definitely include Alston and Buchannan and Garry Bennett in place of your second Delaney slip.

As some have already stated, think it depends on Era and division and opposition.

Some not the most gifted BUT great for CCFC.

Hard for us all to compare really as we all know so many things have changed over the years (footballs, diet, fitness, money,4-4-2,etc), not a fair comparison. I think we all tend to like the players from our own experiences and memories,and so it should be.

:thumbup: :bluescarf: :bluebird: :old:

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:38 pm

Dave67 wrote:
salopiancity wrote:Always liked Peter Sawyer.


Think you mean Peter Sayer.

"Best" is a bit vague - Phil Dwyer was a very good servant for Cardiff but not necessarily the most gifted.

a few to add to the mix....again these played in some very different divisions and at different Stages of their Careers so not necessarily the most talented.

John Lewis
Keith Pontin
John Buchannon
Steve Grapes
Kevin Bartlett
Geoff Hemmerman
Danny Gabbidon
James Collins
Alan Curtis
Nigel Vaughan


When i had the privlidge of drinking in the players bar i said to John Lewis you look a real talent and will go far he must have been 19 or so at the time. what ever happened to such a good prospect?

Got booked by Phil once which was a laugh!!

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:47 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
pick and shovel wrote:Since following the City since 1960, I have come up with a list of what i think are our 20 best players since then who all played a significant number of games for our club. Please feel free to point out any gl
glaring omissions and who you would personally remove from my list. In no particular order :



Ivor Allchurch
Ian Gibson
Ron Healy
Brian Harris
Michael Chopra
Phil Dwyer
Derek Tapscott
David Marshall
John Toshack
Don Murray
Billy Ronson
Willie Anderson
Brian Clark
Phil Stant
Tony Evans
Carl Dale
Nigel Vaughan
Mark Delaney
Dave Bennett
Alan Warboys
Peter King.
Mark Delaney.


Not much wrong with that list. I would have most of those names in my top 20.



Ian Gibson
Brian Clark
John Toshack
Those were the days!!


Tony Evans could score a goal for sure but a man with an attitude thought he was to good for us.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:43 am

As a youngster i was lucky enough to watch most of those
One of the best players i ever saw in the blue of cardiff city
Had his carreer cruely cut short breaking his leg think against aston villa
Possibly in a boxing day game ended nil nil if im not mistaken
For me he was the best player i ever saw
BOBBY BROWN
surprised no one else mentioned him

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:46 am

City Slicker wrote:
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
Kingyccfc wrote:Jason Koumas. 40 odd games does he qualify?


Best player I've seen in a city shirt.. I was born in 93 and started watching from a young age :thumbright:


Never seen anyone even close to his quality myself and so sad he didn't stick around longer


I'll never forget the goal he scored when he fell over in the box got back up and put it in the top corner.
I think it was against Ipswich.
I think it was the same year when we beat Rotherham 6-1 and Koumas run them all over the place.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:18 pm

Gary Bennett and Ian Rodgerson,Mark Delaney. Paul Ramsey. Robbie James was excellent.

I think Arter and Camarasa are the best midfielders I’ve seen. Murphy looks excellent as well.

Hallworth was a better keeper than he has credit for, tho Ron Healy was my fav.

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:12 pm

Brian Harris very under-rated

How about John Charles!! Must be the most famous player to have played for the City

Two from me that I don't think anyone mentioned...……….Ronnie Bird and Mike England (great player who made a huge contribution to promotion but perhaps fails on games played and fact he was past his best)

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:04 pm

One of my favourites as a young lad in the early 80's, Gordon Owen. Won't be in many top 20's, but he'd be in mine

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:01 pm

Gary Bell surely? Great player and lovely chap

Don Murray?

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:02 am

RadnorRoad wrote:Brian Harris very under-rated

How about John Charles!! Must be the most famous player to have played for the City

Two from me that I don't think anyone mentioned...……….Ronnie Bird and Mike England (great player who made a huge contribution to promotion but perhaps fails on games played and fact he was past his best)

All 4 have been mentioned. Have a scroll

Re: ' For the more elderly supporter '

Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:03 am

Deano1 wrote:One of my favourites as a young lad in the early 80's, Gordon Owen. Won't be in many top 20's, but he'd be in mine

Fair shout. A good player