The minority already questioning Warnock

To be honest what he did last season was nothing short of a miracle especially considering what he took over which was a broken a club, no one can take away that achievement from him. Without a doubt Neil Warnock is a top quality championship manager and personally my favourite manager since I’ve been supporting City and I would love it if he could prove a lot of people wrong and show he is a premiership manager. However that doesn’t mean I will not raise concerns as I see them and some red flags are already being raised this season but he also has to be given time to get things right.

Although I see a lot of people happy to write off certain players unproven in the premiership after a couple of games but when it comes to Warnock no bad word should be said. I don’t agree with that personally.

I do feel something in Warnock changed the last third of last season We went from playing brilliant attacking football, some of the best I’ve seen to a team far more cautious to the point we were literally waiting on set pieces. I won’t fault Warnock on that though we got over the line with an impressive points tally and fully deserved our promotion. However this season we seem to have followed that model and to the extreme where our home game seems to be about stopping the opposition.

Do I want him sacked of course not, I think that would be totally unfair and he deserves a chance to prove himself. however I do query some of his decision in the transfer market irrespective of the budge and the way we have been setting up in games. Warnock has time to get it right and to get more from the players and I really hope he does, I thought the game V Norwich was a great chance for that but sadly it raised more questions than answers.

There wasn’t a huge amount of attacking football last year at any time. Occasionally it happened but it wasn’t a strategy we pursued.

no there wasnt..Burton away fortunate to get a result in a disjointed performance..2 awful draws against Wednesday and Millwall at home, hammered by Preston.an absolutely dreadful performance at Brum..
i absolutely loved last season us against the world with 11 players buying into Warnock having them work their nuts off , brilliant attacking football it was not..had it been we would have had a few plaudits along the way...i agree though the last 8 or so there was defo more emphasis on playing for a draw....because the 4th quarter was much tougher than the 3rd quarter..

Burton away we dominated the 2nd half and it was only a question of time before we got the winner. We did leave it late though.

Preson and Birmingham were the next 2 games I went to and less talked about those the better.

Burton...yes we were on top, but attractive it was not..

My only regret is that the club didn’t bring him him sooner. They had the opportunity but ended up with the likes of Russell Slade & Paul Trollope (no disrespect to them) but with Warnock you get what’s on the can - a quality manager who knows how to get teams promoted out of the Championship. Probably one of the best managers that the club has ever had.

You are always going to get a few supporters who don’t go with the flow but thankfully the vast majority appreciate the work he has & is doing. Haven’t seen much negativity thankfully. Spoke to him at a Q & A session and he had time for everyone (photographers/autographs, etc)

What Cardiff achieved last year was outstanding, I'm not a fan of your style of football but with the budget you have NW got you into the PL which I don't think anyone really expected when he took over, there are a lot of richer clubs in the championship who would love to be in your position, give him your full backing he deserves it for what he has done for Cardiff and he may well go on and shut up the doubters, Good Luck Bluebirds you can do it

Firstly can I just say I find it amazing that the person that gave us probably the greatest season in the clubs history is already being questioned I actually think it's a disgrace

I just wanted to make this point, we had in my opinion an average Championship team last year, couple of signings that could not get a club, couple of signings from the lower leagues and absolutely no work beaters, before the season I predicted 8th-10th and would have been happy

For those of you already questioning him after two games even though he virtually has the same squad and smallest budget, if he had overachieved last year and got us the play offs but missed out on promotion would you still be calling his head if we had a decent start in the Championship even though it is a league below where we are now? I doubt it and I actually think it's completely disrespectful to a man that has done wonders for this football club

You are the type of people that would have wanted Ranieri sacked after winning the league, Warnock reads this board he's said it himself, please don't tarnish the rest of us with your stupid, ridiculous comments and get your head out of your arse and realise how difficult this league is without having probably the weakest squad on paper

Despite some good arguments,Im with you on this ,there is some constructive criticism but there is also a lot of bloody mindedness the same ones pedanticly saying the same things over and over on different threads,to me they are like a disease, luckily they are a minority as the vast majority of fans dont go on the forum, I know supporters wont go on the forum, they have not got the patience of listening to that ilk.

To be honest what he did last season was nothing short of a miracle especially considering what he took over which was a broken a club, no one can take away that achievement from him. Without a doubt Neil Warnock is a top quality championship manager and personally my favourite manager since I’ve been supporting City and I would love it if he could prove a lot of people wrong and show he is a premiership manager. However that doesn’t mean I will not raise concerns as I see them and some red flags are already being raised this season but he also has to be given time to get things right.

Although I see a lot of people happy to write off certain players unproven in the premiership after a couple of games but when it comes to Warnock no bad word should be said. I don’t agree with that personally.

I do feel something in Warnock changed the last third of last season We went from playing brilliant attacking football, some of the best I’ve seen to a team far more cautious to the point we were literally waiting on set pieces. I won’t fault Warnock on that though we got over the line with an impressive points tally and fully deserved our promotion. However this season we seem to have followed that model and to the extreme where our home game seems to be about stopping the opposition.

Do I want him sacked of course not, I think that would be totally unfair and he deserves a chance to prove himself. however I do query some of his decision in the transfer market irrespective of the budge and the way we have been setting up in games. Warnock has time to get it right and to get more from the players and I really hope he does, I thought the game V Norwich was a great chance for that but sadly it raised more questions than answers.

There wasn’t a huge amount of attacking football last year at any time. Occasionally it happened but it wasn’t a strategy we pursued.

no there wasnt..Burton away fortunate to get a result in a disjointed performance..2 awful draws against Wednesday and Millwall at home, hammered by Preston.an absolutely dreadful performance at Brum..
i absolutely loved last season us against the world with 11 players buying into Warnock having them work their nuts off , brilliant attacking football it was not..had it been we would have had a few plaudits along the way...i agree though the last 8 or so there was defo more emphasis on playing for a draw....because the 4th quarter was much tougher than the 3rd quarter..

Burton away we dominated the 2nd half and it was only a question of time before we got the winner. We did leave it late though.

Preson and Birmingham were the next 2 games I went to and less talked about those the better.

Burton...yes we were on top, but attractive it was not..

I suppose we all remember things differently. I remember enjoying the games I seen. Quick football, getting it wide and getting forward quickly. Maybe I just didn't see all the dire games as I didn't get away often. Villa and Leeds at home stick out in my memory.

I support neil 100 percent, what he achieved last season was great and hes got my full backing, only thing i can pick holes in is his transfer business, not signing a goalscorer we needed so bad etc... but its way to early to have an issue with that yet as its early days for the season and hopefully warnock can work wonders and do enough and find a way with this group of players like he did last season.

Give the constant moaners their own plastic forum

Warnock is the man . Even if we are bottom. In Warnock i trust!!!!!!!

There is a difference between ambition and delusion. In my opinion, any fans who believe that this Cardiff team SHOULD be finishing outside of the bottom three are setting their expectations far too high.

This is a Championship club competing in the Premier League after massively over-achieving last season. What Warnock did for us last season only just stops short of being a miracle. With Warnock at the helm, a Cardiff side made up of rejects and 'over-the-hill' players achieved automatic promotion against much stronger sides who had higher quality players and managers had access to infinitely more resources that Warnock did.

There is a reason why Harry Arter (who can no longer get in the squad for Bournemouth) is head and shoulders above the rest of the squad - its because he is much better than the rest of the squad which says everything you need to know about the strength of the side we have.

People asking why Warnock hasnt go the team scoring - Zahore could barely find the net last season, how could we expect him to be a goal machine after a massive step up, Reid might be a good championship player, but how many good championship players make the step up and become prolific? As for Madine - the less said about him the better! Warnock will do the best with what he has and no other manager will be able to do a better job in his position IMO.

The truth of the matter is that this Premier League season is a financial windfall for us and is an opportunity to prepare for the long term. If we go down, we have a strong championship squad and money in the bank to make sure we are stable and can build an excellent championship team.

If we stay up however, then is the time to start raising our expectations of Warnock and demanding more of our squad.

There is a difference between ambition and delusion. In my opinion, any fans who believe that this Cardiff team SHOULD be finishing outside of the bottom three are setting their expectations far too high.

This is a Championship club competing in the Premier League after massively over-achieving last season. What Warnock did for us last season only just stops short of being a miracle. With Warnock at the helm, a Cardiff side made up of rejects and 'over-the-hill' players achieved automatic promotion against much stronger sides who had higher quality players and managers had access to infinitely more resources that Warnock did.

There is a reason why Harry Arter (who can no longer get in the squad for Bournemouth) is head and shoulders above the rest of the squad - its because he is much better than the rest of the squad which says everything you need to know about the strength of the side we have.

People asking why Warnock hasnt go the team scoring - Zahore could barely find the net last season, how could we expect him to be a goal machine after a massive step up, Reid might be a good championship player, but how many good championship players make the step up and become prolific? As for Madine - the less said about him the better! Warnock will do the best with what he has and no other manager will be able to do a better job in his position IMO.

The truth of the matter is that this Premier League season is a financial windfall for us and is an opportunity to prepare for the long term. If we go down, we have a strong championship squad and money in the bank to make sure we are stable and can build an excellent championship team.

If we stay up however, then is the time to start raising our expectations of Warnock and demanding more of our squad.

Great post and great point about Arter but Bournemouth are an established Prem club so Arter not getting in their team is no shame. He would get into other teams around us.

I think Gunnarrson will come into his own in the Prem.

There is a difference between ambition and delusion. In my opinion, any fans who believe that this Cardiff team SHOULD be finishing outside of the bottom three are setting their expectations far too high.

This is a Championship club competing in the Premier League after massively over-achieving last season. What Warnock did for us last season only just stops short of being a miracle. With Warnock at the helm, a Cardiff side made up of rejects and 'over-the-hill' players achieved automatic promotion against much stronger sides who had higher quality players and managers had access to infinitely more resources that Warnock did.

There is a reason why Harry Arter (who can no longer get in the squad for Bournemouth) is head and shoulders above the rest of the squad - its because he is much better than the rest of the squad which says everything you need to know about the strength of the side we have.

People asking why Warnock hasnt go the team scoring - Zahore could barely find the net last season, how could we expect him to be a goal machine after a massive step up, Reid might be a good championship player, but how many good championship players make the step up and become prolific? As for Madine - the less said about him the better! Warnock will do the best with what he has and no other manager will be able to do a better job in his position IMO.

The truth of the matter is that this Premier League season is a financial windfall for us and is an opportunity to prepare for the long term. If we go down, we have a strong championship squad and money in the bank to make sure we are stable and can build an excellent championship team.

If we stay up however, then is the time to start raising our expectations of Warnock and demanding more of our squad.

We now have August's winner of Post of the Month

There is a difference between ambition and delusion. In my opinion, any fans who believe that this Cardiff team SHOULD be finishing outside of the bottom three are setting their expectations far too high.

This is a Championship club competing in the Premier League after massively over-achieving last season. What Warnock did for us last season only just stops short of being a miracle. With Warnock at the helm, a Cardiff side made up of rejects and 'over-the-hill' players achieved automatic promotion against much stronger sides who had higher quality players and managers had access to infinitely more resources that Warnock did.

There is a reason why Harry Arter (who can no longer get in the squad for Bournemouth) is head and shoulders above the rest of the squad - its because he is much better than the rest of the squad which says everything you need to know about the strength of the side we have.

People asking why Warnock hasnt go the team scoring - Zahore could barely find the net last season, how could we expect him to be a goal machine after a massive step up, Reid might be a good championship player, but how many good championship players make the step up and become prolific? As for Madine - the less said about him the better! Warnock will do the best with what he has and no other manager will be able to do a better job in his position IMO.

The truth of the matter is that this Premier League season is a financial windfall for us and is an opportunity to prepare for the long term. If we go down, we have a strong championship squad and money in the bank to make sure we are stable and can build an excellent championship team.

If we stay up however, then is the time to start raising our expectations of Warnock and demanding more of our squad.

We now have August's winner of Post of the Month

Agree, great post and well written.
Refreshing after the grammatical drivel often found on here especially from down West.

There is a difference between ambition and delusion. In my opinion, any fans who believe that this Cardiff team SHOULD be finishing outside of the bottom three are setting their expectations far too high.

This is a Championship club competing in the Premier League after massively over-achieving last season. What Warnock did for us last season only just stops short of being a miracle. With Warnock at the helm, a Cardiff side made up of rejects and 'over-the-hill' players achieved automatic promotion against much stronger sides who had higher quality players and managers had access to infinitely more resources that Warnock did.

There is a reason why Harry Arter (who can no longer get in the squad for Bournemouth) is head and shoulders above the rest of the squad - its because he is much better than the rest of the squad which says everything you need to know about the strength of the side we have.

People asking why Warnock hasnt go the team scoring - Zahore could barely find the net last season, how could we expect him to be a goal machine after a massive step up, Reid might be a good championship player, but how many good championship players make the step up and become prolific? As for Madine - the less said about him the better! Warnock will do the best with what he has and no other manager will be able to do a better job in his position IMO.

The truth of the matter is that this Premier League season is a financial windfall for us and is an opportunity to prepare for the long term. If we go down, we have a strong championship squad and money in the bank to make sure we are stable and can build an excellent championship team.

If we stay up however, then is the time to start raising our expectations of Warnock and demanding more of our squad.

We now have August's winner of Post of the Month

Can't disagree with that, Tony!

There is a difference between ambition and delusion. In my opinion, any fans who believe that this Cardiff team SHOULD be finishing outside of the bottom three are setting their expectations far too high.

This is a Championship club competing in the Premier League after massively over-achieving last season. What Warnock did for us last season only just stops short of being a miracle. With Warnock at the helm, a Cardiff side made up of rejects and 'over-the-hill' players achieved automatic promotion against much stronger sides who had higher quality players and managers had access to infinitely more resources that Warnock did.

There is a reason why Harry Arter (who can no longer get in the squad for Bournemouth) is head and shoulders above the rest of the squad - its because he is much better than the rest of the squad which says everything you need to know about the strength of the side we have.

People asking why Warnock hasnt go the team scoring - Zahore could barely find the net last season, how could we expect him to be a goal machine after a massive step up, Reid might be a good championship player, but how many good championship players make the step up and become prolific? As for Madine - the less said about him the better! Warnock will do the best with what he has and no other manager will be able to do a better job in his position IMO.

The truth of the matter is that this Premier League season is a financial windfall for us and is an opportunity to prepare for the long term. If we go down, we have a strong championship squad and money in the bank to make sure we are stable and can build an excellent championship team.

If we stay up however, then is the time to start raising our expectations of Warnock and demanding more of our squad.

We now have August's winner of Post of the Month

Can't disagree with that, Tony!

Excellent post.

The Windfall statement sums it all up.

Quick question.

Warnock has achieved here no doubt but the way people go on you would swear he had taken Barnet from the Conferece to the Premier League.

We had a VERY VERY good squad before he got here, we had finished 7th the year before, just because Trollope had made a hash to the start of the following season didn't mean we were a shit team, 3 of our current back 4 were already here pre Warnock, as was our current 'main striker'.

Why is it a miracle that we got promoted when we alleady had a very good squad then Warnock spent upwards of £10 million strengthening it?????

Where's ?he miracle in that?

Quick question.

Warnock has achieved here no doubt but the way people go on you would swear he had taken Barnet from the Conferece to the Premier League.

We had a VERY VERY good squad before he got here, we had finished 7th the year before, just because Trollope had made a hash to the start of the following season didn't mean we were a shit team, 3 of our current back 4 were already here pre Warnock, as was our current 'main striker'.

Why is it a miracle that we got promoted when we alleady had a very good squad then Warnock spent upwards of £10 million strengthening it?????

Where's ?he miracle in that?

Where were we when he took us over? Whether that was Trollope messing up or not we were heading one way. Not only did we stay up we almost finished top half. Form was top 6 for the time he was here that season. Then the following season with very little spent (nowhere near 10 million until Madine signed) he turned us into a promotion winning side in a time when the standard of teams in the championship was higher than it had ever been.

Think of the players we had and how they were playing and think about how NW turned them into far better players. This includes Zohore but also Morrison, Bennett, Peltier. Undeniable he makes players better. Not only that he has turned the club that was fractured into a united club.

He might not have taken Barnet from the conference to the Prem but has helped improve every aspect of our club immeasurably.

Quick question.

Warnock has achieved here no doubt but the way people go on you would swear he had taken Barnet from the Conferece to the Premier League.

We had a VERY VERY good squad before he got here, we had finished 7th the year before, just because Trollope had made a hash to the start of the following season didn't mean we were a shit team, 3 of our current back 4 were already here pre Warnock, as was our current 'main striker'.

Why is it a miracle that we got promoted when we alleady had a very good squad then Warnock spent upwards of £10 million strengthening it?????

Where's ?he miracle in that?

Well, for starters (assuming you are right; and I don't think you are) he pulled it all together and got the squad working as a unit. He's done it too many times before (Rotherham being one of his greatest turnarounds) for it to be a fluke

The majority of Cardiff City supporters think he's done a great job for one simple reason; because he has!

Quick question.

Warnock has achieved here no doubt but the way people go on you would swear he had taken Barnet from the Conferece to the Premier League.

We had a VERY VERY good squad before he got here, we had finished 7th the year before, just because Trollope had made a hash to the start of the following season didn't mean we were a shit team, 3 of our current back 4 were already here pre Warnock, as was our current 'main striker'.

Why is it a miracle that we got promoted when we alleady had a very good squad then Warnock spent upwards of £10 million strengthening it?????

Where's ?he miracle in that?

Well, for starters (assuming you are right; and I don't think you are) he pulled it all together and got the squad working as a unit. He's done it too many times before (Rotherham being one of his greatest turnarounds) for it to be a fluke

The majority of Cardiff City supporters think he's done a great job for one simple reason; because he has!

I didn't say he hasn't a good job, I would have to have my head stuck in the sand to even think that. I just think some people go a bit over the top but hey that's just my opinion.

I don't think we were ever that bad (not on paper anyway) and then he was backed in the transfer market, he did what he was good at, and created a unit and bobs your uncle.

Fantastic achievement but no miracle IMO.

Quick question.

Warnock has achieved here no doubt but the way people go on you would swear he had taken Barnet from the Conferece to the Premier League.

We had a VERY VERY good squad before he got here, we had finished 7th the year before, just because Trollope had made a hash to the start of the following season didn't mean we were a shit team, 3 of our current back 4 were already here pre Warnock, as was our current 'main striker'.

Why is it a miracle that we got promoted when we alleady had a very good squad then Warnock spent upwards of £10 million strengthening it?????

Where's ?he miracle in that?

Well, for starters (assuming you are right; and I don't think you are) he pulled it all together and got the squad working as a unit. He's done it too many times before (Rotherham being one of his greatest turnarounds) for it to be a fluke

The majority of Cardiff City supporters think he's done a great job for one simple reason; because he has!

I didn't say he hasn't a good job, I would have to have my head stuck in the sand to even think that. I just think some people go a bit over the top but hey that's just my opinion.

I don't think we were ever that bad (not on paper anyway) and then he was backed in the transfer market, he did what he was good at, and created a unit and bobs your uncle.

Fantastic achievement but no miracle IMO.

I'm with RV here.

I recall Ken Choo slagging off Slade when Slade failed to get us to the play offs. Choo referred to the money that had been spent on the squad which I believe was in the £20m. For him that was enough to achieve at least a play off spot. What Choo and gang failed to work out is you need a decent manager. They eventually learnt the lesson by bringing in Warnock.

As far as I am concerned Warnock inherited a decent Championship squad. He came in when we were well behind the leaders and got us to a safe mid table position. Shame he did not come in at the start of the season because I think we would have got a play off spot. We will never know on that one. Anyway he has been allowed to build and got us to where we are now. So yes a very good job he has done looking back but the miracle will be if he keeps us up.

Some people have short memories and for us to be where we are right now is nothing short of a miracle!

What I would ask those who appear to have already given up is "Who would you have in charge for the next promotion push, IF we were to be relegated this season?"

I know where my vote would be and he already has a contract for the next two years at the club!

Good call who is better to replace the most successful promotion winning manager of all time? Some football fans and people in general are fickle.

the minimum warnock deserves is the full season. clearly there will be people who will at various points in the season call for warnock to be sacked, though, and i disagree with them.