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Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:06 pm

Deano1 wrote:I believe we can sign players who were out of contract before our transfer window closed only


We can sign anyone we like just can’t register them to play in the premier league.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:15 pm

Igovernor wrote:
maccydee wrote:Squads have been submitted to the Premier League. I’m pretty sure no changes can be made until January even within our current squad.
Even if we had named 24 players we could not name anymore players.


Why do you think that the 25 man squad is not announced until Sept 1st., its because if any premier club gets offers for their 25 man squad, then they CAN replace them, imagine if Chelsea sold Hazzard Willam, and an other to real madrid, before 31st August, do you think that they will go until January with 22 players ? The goalkeeping situation is a given, that is not the exceptional circumstances that the premier league refer to.


Whilst the transfer window remains open in other countries if a club transfers a player then of course they can apply to the PL to remove that player. PL rules allow clubs to add or remove players during the summer and winter transfer windows so IF Hazzard were to be transferred to Real Madrid prior to 31st August then of course Chelsea could apply to remove his name from their 25 man squad, but is that the same as making an application to replace an injured player :?

:bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:17 pm

I really dont believe we are allowed to replace lang.
I dont remember any other club doing this.
I guess we will definitely find out by saturday.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:30 pm

Igovernor wrote:
maccydee wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Understood you can add to squad as long as you drop a player from it so technically nl is out of squad? but guess we will soon find out :thumbup:


I thought that but squads have been submitted the day after the transfer deadline expired.

Exceptional circumstances are being left with one fit keeper I believe.


For goodness sake of course the squad has to be submitted the day after the window closes but, it is NOT released until September 1st. Can you tell me why it is not released until then?
NO! well I'll tell you, it's because players from that squad may be sold before the window for the rest of Europe closes, and it allows the teams to replace those players, even it is is from players that are already on their books.
Now if you cannot understand that and you cannot do your own google then I cannot make it any clearer than I have :thumbup:


The transfer window in the rest of Europe closes on any number of dates France, Germany and Spain close on 31st August, Scotland, Denmark and Turkey close on 1st September, Holland on 2nd September, Russia on 6th September and Portugal on 21st September are examples.

PL clubs are allowed to transfer players to clubs in any of those countries up until their window closes and yes if that player was included in their 25 man squad they can apply to have his name removed. So even though the PL publish their 25 man squads on 1st September it is still possible for those lists to change anytime up to 21st September in Europe, 6th October if you want to include Australia.

If clubs create space in their 25 man squads by transferring players they can apply to add players who are already registered with the club, but not included in the 25 man squad, or they can sign free agents. But again is that the same as applying to remove a player because of an injury :?


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Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:30 pm

he can be and will be replaced until Jan this was cleared up in a previoys post if a player has long term injury squad can be ammended

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:39 pm

maccydee wrote:
Deano1 wrote:I believe we can sign players who were out of contract before our transfer window closed only


We can sign anyone we like just can’t register them to play in the premier league.


Congratulations

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:49 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:Obviously bad news but does this open up a chance to deselect him from the provisional 25 PL squad and replace him with either another squad player (Pilks?) or sign a free agent striker?


Putting a positive spin on a negative, I like it :ayatollah:

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:56 pm

Igovernor wrote:
maccydee wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Understood you can add to squad as long as you drop a player from it so technically nl is out of squad? but guess we will soon find out :thumbup:


I thought that but squads have been submitted the day after the transfer deadline expired.

Exceptional circumstances are being left with one fit keeper I believe.


For goodness sake of course the squad has to be submitted the day after the window closes but, it is NOT released until September 1st. Can you tell me why it is not released until then?
NO! well I'll tell you, it's because players from that squad may be sold before the window for the rest of Europe closes, and it allows the teams to replace those players, even it is is from players that are already on their books.
Now if you cannot understand that and you cannot do your own google then I cannot make it any clearer than I have :thumbup:


They cannot simply be replaced by a player who was not at the club at the closing of the transfer window unless exceptional circumstances. You are wrong if you think that. NML getting injured is not an exceptional circumstance.

The rules are vague. I have a feeling we can replace them with another player at the club (Pilks) but wouldn’t be surprised if we couldn’t. We have submitted our squad. Why 1 Sep is the date they are released I don’t know.

This is the first year this has been like this so it is a bit baffling.

I’ve attached the rules below. In my mind we have (and every other club have too) submitted a squad list.
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Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:11 pm

Bring in a striker out of contract. The gods have spoken.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:19 pm

BlueMoon1974 wrote:Bring in a striker out of contract. The gods have spoken.


The Gods would think us foolish to bring in someone and pay them until January without being able to play them.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:34 pm

Very bad news.

Wish him a speedy recovery.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:13 pm

We can sign a replacement. We can't sign a replacement. If anyone does know the facts please post it. If we can and I hope we can then for God's sake sign a goal scorer as we are the only team in the four leagues who have not scored a goal. I think that proves the point.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:20 pm

Bluesman wrote:We can sign a replacement. We can't sign a replacement. If anyone does know the facts please post it. If we can and I hope we can then for God's sake sign a goal scorer as we are the only team in the four leagues who have not scored a goal. I think that proves the point.
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Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:21 pm

Bluesman wrote:We can sign a replacement. We can't sign a replacement. If anyone does know the facts please post it. If we can and I hope we can then for God's sake sign a goal scorer as we are the only team in the four leagues who have not scored a goal. I think that proves the point.


We can replace him with someone from the squad but not sign anyone to replace him.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:35 pm

maccydee wrote:
Bluesman wrote:We can sign a replacement. We can't sign a replacement. If anyone does know the facts please post it. If we can and I hope we can then for God's sake sign a goal scorer as we are the only team in the four leagues who have not scored a goal. I think that proves the point.


We can replace him with someone from the squad but not sign anyone to replace him.[/quote

So at last you agree that i was right re: we can replace a player, now all you have to agree that we can replace a player with a free or out of contract player

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:48 pm

Igovernor wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Bluesman wrote:We can sign a replacement. We can't sign a replacement. If anyone does know the facts please post it. If we can and I hope we can then for God's sake sign a goal scorer as we are the only team in the four leagues who have not scored a goal. I think that proves the point.


We can replace him with someone from the squad but not sign anyone to replace him.[/quote

So at last you agree that i was right re: we can replace a player, now all you have to agree that we can replace a player with a free or out of contract player


Possibly the rules are vague but we cannot sign anyone to replace him. The rules are clear on that. I’ve pretty much been firm on that the whole time.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:53 pm

Igovernor wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Bluesman wrote:We can sign a replacement. We can't sign a replacement. If anyone does know the facts please post it. If we can and I hope we can then for God's sake sign a goal scorer as we are the only team in the four leagues who have not scored a goal. I think that proves the point.


We can replace him with someone from the squad but not sign anyone to replace him.[/quote

So at last you agree that i was right re: we can replace a player, now all you have to agree that we can replace a player with a free or out of contract player


I haven’t changed my point at all. I’ve just read back.

We cannot sign a player even on a free and then add them to the squad even if we remove 10 players. We could sign a goalkeeper in exceptional circumstances if we were left with one fit keeper. You are thick as f**k mate. Can’t read properly.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:55 pm

:lol: f**k sake some people are funny on here.

What’s the point in a 25 man squad if you can just swap injured players in an out?

It’s only if a club has a goalkeeping crisis they can do that.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:57 pm

Llan_Blue wrote::lol: f**k sake some people are funny on here.

What’s the point in a 25 man squad if you can just swap injured players in an out?

It’s only if a club has a goalkeeping crisis they can do that.


Apparently it’s all based on the 1 Sep not the transfer window.

Man City, one of the wealthiest clubs in the world didn’t get a player in as they couldn’t why would they think we could?

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:38 pm

I think what's complicated things this season is the transfer window closing earlier. I don't think we can bring in anyone from outside the club to replace Mendez-Laing, even on a free.

From my rather basic understanding of Premiership 25 man squads BEFORE this season, I think an INITIAL 25 man squad had to be submitted before the first game of the season, but if further transfers were made up until the old transfer deadline of 31st August, the 25 man squad could be adjusted until the transfer window closed.

Obviously, this season is different, the transfer window closed before the first game of the season and I think that means our 25 man squad submission after the transfer deadline is our FINAL 25 man squad, which can't be adjusted until the transfer window opens up again in January. I believe the only additional players we can play on top of our 25 man squad now is our home grown under 21 players, so I don't think Mendez-Laing can be removed for Pilkington or Tomlin to be added.

Feel free to correct me if this is wrong. It's just my opinion based on previous Premiership seasons where I don't think any adjustments can be made to the squads after the transfer deadline closes.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:17 pm

maccydee wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Bluesman wrote:We can sign a replacement. We can't sign a replacement. If anyone does know the facts please post it. If we can and I hope we can then for God's sake sign a goal scorer as we are the only team in the four leagues who have not scored a goal. I think that proves the point.


We can replace him with someone from the squad but not sign anyone to replace him.[/quote

So at last you agree that i was right re: we can replace a player, now all you have to agree that we can replace a player with a free or out of contract player


I haven’t changed my point at all. I’ve just read back.

We cannot sign a player even on a free and then add them to the squad even if we remove 10 players. We could sign a goalkeeper in exceptional circumstances if we were left with one fit keeper. You are thick as f**k mate.

Can’t read properly.


Its you who are the thick one or have you changed your mind againa couple of posts back you stated that we could sign someonefor the 25 as long as that player is already on our books, have a read what you have written or is your concentration span not quite up to normal

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:19 pm

Igovernor wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Bluesman wrote:We can sign a replacement. We can't sign a replacement. If anyone does know the facts please post it. If we can and I hope we can then for God's sake sign a goal scorer as we are the only team in the four leagues who have not scored a goal. I think that proves the point.


We can replace him with someone from the squad but not sign anyone to replace him.[/quote

So at last you agree that i was right re: we can replace a player, now all you have to agree that we can replace a player with a free or out of contract player


I haven’t changed my point at all. I’ve just read back.

We cannot sign a player even on a free and then add them to the squad even if we remove 10 players. We could sign a goalkeeper in exceptional circumstances if we were left with one fit keeper. You are thick as f**k mate.

Can’t read properly.


Its you who are the thick one or have you changed your mind againa couple of posts back you stated that we could sign someonefor the 25 as long as that player is already on our books, have a read what you have written or is your concentration span not quite up to normal


Sign someone for the 25? Never said such a thing. Clown.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:27 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:I think what's complicated things this season is the transfer window closing earlier. I don't think we can bring in anyone from outside the club to replace Mendez-Laing, even on a free.

From my rather basic understanding of Premiership 25 man squads BEFORE this season, I think an INITIAL 25 man squad had to be submitted before the first game of the season, but if further transfers were made up until the old transfer deadline of 31st August, the 25 man squad could be adjusted until the transfer window closed.

Obviously, this season is different, the transfer window closed before the first game of the season and I think that means our 25 man squad submission after the transfer deadline is our FINAL 25 man squad, which can't be adjusted until the transfer window opens up again in January. I believe the only additional players we can play on top of our 25 man squad now is our home grown under 21 players, so I don't think Mendez-Laing can be removed for Pilkington or Tomlin to be added.

Feel free to correct me if this is wrong. It's just my opinion based on previous Premiership seasons where I don't think any adjustments can be made to the squads after the transfer deadline closes.


I think you are right and much like most of your posts your summarising is quite expert.

The rules I posted earlier were vague.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:49 pm

UPDATED TERRY PHILLIPS HAS JUST POSTED


Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, the Bluebirds winger injured at Huddersfield, could be out for six months.

That is a major blow for the player and Cardiff City after scans showed the damage sustained in a collision with Huddersfield’s goalkeeper.

Mendez-Laing is in a leg brace and has damaged ligaments in his left knee. He will be out for between three and six months.
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Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:53 pm

Forever Blue wrote:UPDATED TERRY PHILLIPS HAS JUST POSTED


Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, the Bluebirds winger injured at Huddersfield, could be out for six months.

That is a major blow for the player and Cardiff City after scans showed the damage sustained in a collision with Huddersfield’s goalkeeper.

Mendez-Laing is in a leg brace and has damaged ligaments in his left knee. He will be out for between three and six months.


Ages behind you pal.

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:54 pm

maccydee wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:UPDATED TERRY PHILLIPS HAS JUST POSTED


Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, the Bluebirds winger injured at Huddersfield, could be out for six months.

That is a major blow for the player and Cardiff City after scans showed the damage sustained in a collision with Huddersfield’s goalkeeper.

Mendez-Laing is in a leg brace and has damaged ligaments in his left knee. He will be out for between three and six months.


Ages behind you pal.


Neil, I believe he got it from here in the first place :lol:

Re: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City player “

Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:38 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:UPDATED TERRY PHILLIPS HAS JUST POSTED


Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, the Bluebirds winger injured at Huddersfield, could be out for six months.

That is a major blow for the player and Cardiff City after scans showed the damage sustained in a collision with Huddersfield’s goalkeeper.

Mendez-Laing is in a leg brace and has damaged ligaments in his left knee. He will be out for between three and six months.


Ages behind you pal.


Neil, I believe he got it from here in the first place :lol:


Wonder if he will post a story about Cardiff signing a free agent to replace NML in the squad after reading IGov’s bullshite ha?

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City playe

Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:08 pm

maccydee's rules post states:

Changes to a Squad List may be made

U6.1 during the period of a Transfer Window: or
U6.2 at other times only with the permission of the board

So U6.1 is dead in the water because the Transfer Window is shut. Is it still possible to change the squad list if a club gets permission of the board (U6.2)?

The answer is yes we could sign an out of contract player or use a squad player to replace NML if the board agreed to allow us to. The question is would they? I very much doubt it unless it was a goalkeeper.

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City playe

Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:16 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:maccydee's rules post states:

Changes to a Squad List may be made

U6.1 during the period of a Transfer Window: or
U6.2 at other times only with the permission of the board

So U6.1 is dead in the water because the Transfer Window is shut. Is it still possible to change the squad list if a club gets permission of the board (U6.2)?

The answer is yes we could sign an out of contract player or use a squad player to replace NML if the board agreed to allow us to. The question is would they? I very much doubt it unless it was a goalkeeper.


Exactly and they wouldn’t let Man City do it.

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Not good news on Cardiff City playe

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:16 pm

We submit our permanent squad (until Jan 18) on the 1st of September. We can't sign anyone but out of contract players. Perfect opportunity to bring in Pilks to resolve our goal scoring situation!