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Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:46 pm

BlueGog wrote:This...
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.


I'm a member of the Labour Party but I am deeply concerned about the level of anti-Semitism at the top of the party including Jeremy Corbyn.

From your definition above it would seem he qualifies as a Fascist because he is taking action against Margaret Hodge for speaking out against him.

However, my main point is Fascism exists in many different forms and is not always found in the obvious places.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:25 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:This...
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.


I'm a member of the Labour Party but I am deeply concerned about the level of anti-Semitism at the top of the party including Jeremy Corbyn.

From your definition above it would seem he qualifies as a Fascist because he is taking action against Margaret Hodge for speaking out against him.

However, my main point is Fascism exists in many different forms and is not always found in the obvious places.
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Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:44 pm

Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:51 pm

Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.


thickies following the media and what's online Jock.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:01 pm

CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.


thickies following the media and what's online Jock.


Yeh right e o :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:06 pm

CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.


thickies following the media and what's online Jock.

Social media has much to answer for.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:07 pm

AHERNE wrote:
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.


thickies following the media and what's online Jock.


Yeh right e o :lol: :lol: :lol:


Plenty of thickie Jews must be following the media and what`s online too Jock. Take your pick. :lol:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jews+ ... 40&bih=766

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:08 pm

AHERNE wrote:
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.


thickies following the media and what's online Jock.


Yeh right e o :lol: :lol: :lol:

So no explanation from yourself why Trump gets dogs abuse while despots from Turkey, China and Saudi get off Scot free?

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:12 pm

No place for any kind of politics in football. Not impressed with the bluebird being used to be honest

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:13 pm

Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.



Erdogan visits -

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/why-turkish ... n-protest/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 39821.html

also left wing politicians spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/9 ... 13?lang=en

Saudis bomb yemen -

https://www.newsflare.com/video/188270/ ... -london-uk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 44861.html

also left wing politicans spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... 05?lang=en

Plenty more protests and condemnation from left wing for both saudi and erdogan, those examples posted above are just ones i found after about 30 seconds on google :roll:

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:16 pm

but yeah stupid banner as was the FLA banner, both got no place at the CCS as i said when someone posted about FLA on here, just dividing what is just about becoming a unified fan base again

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:16 pm

AHERNE wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.


thickies following the media and what's online Jock.


Yeh right e o :lol: :lol: :lol:


Plenty of thickie Jews must be following the media and what`s online too Jock. Take your pick. :lol:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jews+ ... 40&bih=766

Every group has its virtue signaling clowns. Some nice images of George Soros the billionaire globalist and founder of many extreme left wing fascist groups, who denied being Jewish to avoid the holocaust then started making his fortune by stealing the possessions of his co religionists who were loaded on the trains. Or the image of people in Germany waving Palestinian flags while chanting Gas the Jews.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:19 pm

CityBlue93 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.



Erdogan visits -

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/why-turkish ... n-protest/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 39821.html

also left wing politicians spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/9 ... 13?lang=en

Saudis bomb yemen -

https://www.newsflare.com/video/188270/ ... -london-uk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 44861.html

also left wing politicans spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... 05?lang=en

Plenty more protests and condemnation from left wing for both saudi and erdogan, those examples posted above are just ones i found after about 30 seconds on google :roll:

Sorry I must have missed the blanket coverage these got on our MSM. Did Sadiq Khant speak out against them?

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:29 pm

Jock wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.



Erdogan visits -

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/why-turkish ... n-protest/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 39821.html

also left wing politicians spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/9 ... 13?lang=en

Saudis bomb yemen -

https://www.newsflare.com/video/188270/ ... -london-uk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 44861.html

also left wing politicans spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... 05?lang=en

Plenty more protests and condemnation from left wing for both saudi and erdogan, those examples posted above are just ones i found after about 30 seconds on google :roll:

Sorry I must have missed the blanket coverage these got on our MSM. Did Sadiq Khant speak out against them?


i saw both protests on the bbc but no worries.. stop moving the goalposts you started out talking about 'the left' now you've moved onto sadiq khan? you mentioned 'silence' and 'nothing' i was just saying that was untrue is all

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:30 pm

Can I just point out that I posted this badge thread just for a wind up. I have absolutely no intentions of joining any political group on match days and I hope that's the case for every Cardiff city fan who makes his or her way to the Cardiff city stadium this year. Viva la bluebirds

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:57 pm

Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.


Israel didn't exist until 1947. The state was created in collusion with the British. All the present lands were taken from the Palestinians. This is the history not internet lies. How would you react if someone forced you out of your house and forced you to live on a small strip of land?

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:10 pm

paulh_85 wrote:Catchy name


The Falafel organisation

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:19 pm

Here's my thoughts on this for what it's worth:

Politics etc has no place at the football.

Cardiff City fans come from all different political persuasions and beliefs.

By making a badge with the bluebird on I can only suggest the poster wants to form a movement of anti fascist Cardiff City supporters.

At a time when we are promoted, playing in blue and finally seeing the fan base reunited after the disastrous re-brand this poster Aherne decides in his wisdom to set up a group of "them" and "us" at the football. Just how idiotic can you be?

What next? Designated seating based on your political view? Right wingers in the Canton left in the Ninian?

How about Roman Catholics in the family stand and Muslim's in the Canton with atheists in between??

Get that bluebird off your badge, my football club has nothing to do with your movement.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:33 pm

WelshPatriot wrote:Here's my thoughts on this for what it's worth:

Politics etc has no place at the football.

Cardiff City fans come from all different political persuasions and beliefs.

By making a badge with the bluebird on I can only suggest the poster wants to form a movement of anti fascist Cardiff City supporters.

At a time when we are promoted, playing in blue and finally seeing the fan base reunited after the disastrous re-brand this poster Aherne decides in his wisdom to set up a group of "them" and "us" at the football. Just how idiotic can you be?

What next? Designated seating based on your political view? Right wingers in the Canton left in the Ninian?

How about Roman Catholics in the family stand and Muslim's in the Canton with atheists in between??

Get that bluebird off your badge, my football club has nothing to do with your movement.


Aherne just posted a picture of the badge to wind people up. Aherne had nothing to do with forming any group or making of the badge. Fact.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:14 pm

BlueGog wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:it's funny you can mention "against facism" on here and those of a right wing persuasion will get offended as if its a direct insult to them :roll:

nothing was said about certain political parties or ideologies, just simply 'against facism' but you'd swear it was a personal attack by how defensive some become, makes you wonder..

What about the new lefty fascists? Against those too ?



This...
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the [b]far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[/b]



well that the wiki version..it really isnt as simple or straight forward as that..
as for it spreading..hmmmm..facism in Italy was different to what came later in Germany..but eh oh if it fits your agenda.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:50 pm

AHERNE wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:Here's my thoughts on this for what it's worth:

Politics etc has no place at the football.

Cardiff City fans come from all different political persuasions and beliefs.

By making a badge with the bluebird on I can only suggest the poster wants to form a movement of anti fascist Cardiff City supporters.

At a time when we are promoted, playing in blue and finally seeing the fan base reunited after the disastrous re-brand this poster Aherne decides in his wisdom to set up a group of "them" and "us" at the football. Just how idiotic can you be?

What next? Designated seating based on your political view? Right wingers in the Canton left in the Ninian?

How about Roman Catholics in the family stand and Muslim's in the Canton with atheists in between??

Get that bluebird off your badge, my football club has nothing to do with your movement.


Aherne just posted a picture of the badge to wind people up. Aherne had nothing to do with forming any group or making of the badge. Fact.


Crap wind up by aherne. Fact.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:35 pm

That badge is mutually exclusive for transgender people, and working class fascists.

Fascists.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:59 pm

WelshPatriot wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:Here's my thoughts on this for what it's worth:

Politics etc has no place at the football.

Cardiff City fans come from all different political persuasions and beliefs.

By making a badge with the bluebird on I can only suggest the poster wants to form a movement of anti fascist Cardiff City supporters.

At a time when we are promoted, playing in blue and finally seeing the fan base reunited after the disastrous re-brand this poster Aherne decides in his wisdom to set up a group of "them" and "us" at the football. Just how idiotic can you be?

What next? Designated seating based on your political view? Right wingers in the Canton left in the Ninian?

How about Roman Catholics in the family stand and Muslim's in the Canton with atheists in between??

Get that bluebird off your badge, my football club has nothing to do with your movement.


Aherne just posted a picture of the badge to wind people up. Aherne had nothing to do with forming any group or making of the badge. Fact.


Crap wind up by aherne. Fact.


Nah i think it wound a few up mun, including yourself :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:00 am

I'd hazard a guess that everyone on here is against fascists. Left wing and right Wing fascists. They're all c@nts from Hitler to Stalin.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:29 am

CityBlue93 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.



Erdogan visits -

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/why-turkish ... n-protest/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 39821.html

also left wing politicians spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/9 ... 13?lang=en

Saudis bomb yemen -

https://www.newsflare.com/video/188270/ ... -london-uk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 44861.html

also left wing politicans spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... 05?lang=en

Plenty more protests and condemnation from left wing for both saudi and erdogan, those examples posted above are just ones i found after about 30 seconds on google :roll:
a handful of predominantly ex pats protesting is in no way similar to the tens of thousands of fannies who rammed the streets to protest Trump.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:03 pm

oh we're still bickering are we? ok.

Jock wrote:
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:thickies following the media and what's online Jock.

Social media has much to answer for.


Jock wrote:Sorry I must have missed the blanket coverage these got on our MSM


:?: :?: :?:

you literally used the excuse "it wasn't in the media" for a reason as to why you formed an incorrect opinion, straight after complaining about other people following the media. thickie.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:23 pm

Lee you can say this is a wind up to you are blue in the face it won’t matter to most. :clap:

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:40 pm

CityBlue93 wrote:oh we're still bickering are we? ok.

Jock wrote:
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:thickies following the media and what's online Jock.

Social media has much to answer for.


Jock wrote:Sorry I must have missed the blanket coverage these got on our MSM


:?: :?: :?:

you literally used the excuse "it wasn't in the media" for a reason as to why you formed an incorrect opinion, straight after complaining about other people following the media. thickie.

Social media and Main Stream Media are two different things you very special boy.

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:23 pm

CityBlue93 wrote:
Jock wrote:Israel defends its borders and there’s wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fascist left.
Saudi slaughters thousands in Yemen.....silence.
Trump visits and tens of thousands of middle class clowns take to the streets
Erdogan visits......nothing.
Seems those who say they’re on the Left are very selective about who they protest.



Erdogan visits -

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/why-turkish ... n-protest/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 39821.html

also left wing politicians spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/9 ... 13?lang=en

Saudis bomb yemen -

https://www.newsflare.com/video/188270/ ... -london-uk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 44861.html

also left wing politicans spoke up, 1 example - https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... 05?lang=en

Plenty more protests and condemnation from left wing for both saudi and erdogan, those examples posted above are just ones i found after about 30 seconds on google :roll:



pretty desperate attempt to back up your point tbh.
there really arnt many protesting ..

Re: Football Lads & Lasses against Fascism

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:07 pm

Fergy1927 wrote:I'd hazard a guess that everyone on here is against fascists. Left wing and right Wing fascists. They're all c@nts from Hitler to Stalin.


Fergy,
perhaps the best post on this thread.
It is hugely amusing though that the Antifa gang and their stablemates seem ultimately to be funded by Soros and Co, arch capitalists, the Globalists who back people such as Blair, Clinton and the rest of them to implement their agendas.

Nothing changes. It is a well known historical fact that Armand Hammer of Occidental Oil funded the Bolsheviks, just as Ford and General Motors invested in Nazi Germany (manufacturing and taking profits throughout WW2).

Lenin is supposed to have spoken of 'useful idiots' who the Bolsheviks would happily use to further their revolution - and probably then murder. In fact the quotation is more properly attributed to Trotsky who spoke of 'useful innocents' in the same context.

I'll let some of the posters on this thread make their own choice as to which label they prefer.

As for the Labour party today it is telling that Naz Shah got Sarah Champion's job. Think about that for a minute, then ask if you can vote for a party that replaced a woman who objected to rape gangs, with a woman who thinks victims should shut up for the good of diversity.

The party that depends on ethnic votes in inner city constituencies that are let us say without exaggeration are anti-Semitic but also in many ways anti-Western/Christian.

The Tories, just like Labour they are a caricature of the party and the ideas which millions still think they represent.
What we see in the UK mirrors what we see in the USA (and the Western world generally).For example:

“The chief problem of American political life for a long time has been how to make the two congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so the that American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”
Quote from Tragedy and Hope, 1966 by Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations, mentor to Bill Clinton.

In America you now have the RINO's(Republicans in name only) and the bulk of the Democratic party who form the' Uniparty' which is the equivalent of the LibLabCon in the UK.

This mainly explains the anti-Trump hysteria and the UK establishments attempts to undermine/frustrate Brexit.
How will it all play out? No idea. My advice -if you'e got this far -would be to read widely(not Wikipedia ffs) and employ critical thinking to inform your own opinions.

I end with a quote from Hermann Goering in his Nuremburg war -crime testimonial:

“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”