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Re: Pathetic budget

Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:12 pm

Some fans have very short memories. Without Tan, we would probably be back in one of the lower leagues, and that would be looking on the bright side. We could easily have ended up playing the likes of Wrexham the way our financial position was looking, or possibly even worse. The only reason we will be watching PL football this season is because Tan has pumped millions and millions into this club. He will never get his money back, but continues to write off debts. I have never been his biggest fan, but I know how businesses work, and he is putting his money where his mouth is. Without him, there is no guarantee we would even have a club to support, never mind the opportunity to watch some of Europes best clubs at the CCS over the next few months.

Re: Pathetic budget

Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:12 pm

englishbluebird wrote:Debt being payed off, identity restored, crowds coming back, manager and players fighting for the shirt. The club is a shambles ffs

:laughing6: :notworthy:

Re: Pathetic budget

Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:19 pm

An unbelievably depressing and negative post. Short memory. Club dragged out of the mire by NW whilst VT has kept it afloat. There’s a bright future and it’s about the long game. Look where short term silly spending got us last time.

Re: Pathetic budget

Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:32 pm

Budget compared to who? We are bottom end of premiership and as such shopping in that market! what other clubs do is immaterial as they have different circumstances and different finances? Wolves quoted the most but they are only doing things thanks to the players agent influence we don't have that! Fulham got mega rich owner and no debt like us so have more to spend? And does anyone actually know our true budget I doubt it. :roll:

Re: Pathetic budget

Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:34 pm

You may laugh but the lower leagues are done and dusted as far as ccfc are concerned personally I've seen enough championship football to last a lifetime.

Re: Pathetic budget

Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:27 pm

What irks me is someone saying some of our fans are deluded.....why cos their opinion doesn t fit with yours......football is all about opinions...and every one is right because its individually our own ..opinions ...we all have our own view ..simples

Re: Pathetic budget

Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:51 pm

How so many people have given this idiot the time of day to respond with balanced answers I'll never know. You can't educate pork! :sleepy2:

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:15 am

What's the point in 'state of the art trainging ground' if we're falling down the leagues.

Money does not guarantee a winning team but i do worry about our new recruits into an 'ok' championship team, compared to what the rest of the premier league teams are signing.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:38 am

stevee1966 wrote:What's the point in 'state of the art trainging ground' if we're falling down the leagues. .....


It puts the "business" on a sound footing.

Own Stadium, own training facilities and no debt(?) makes us attractive for investors due to our potential. That goes even with relegation.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:40 am

stevee1966 wrote:What's the point in 'state of the art trainging ground' if we're falling down the leagues.

Money does not guarantee a winning team but i do worry about our new recruits into an 'ok' championship team, compared to what the rest of the premier league teams are signing.


I suppose it's not the easiest thing in the world to attract players to an unfashionable club in S Wales. The more selling points you have, the better the chance of getting them here. If you can show a player a good stadium, great training facilities, and a decent place to live in, it may just be the difference in persuading him to come here rather than sign for someone else. With so many clubs competing for the signatures of decent players, the more we can offer the better our chances.

Like you say, we need the players to stop us dropping through the leagues, but we also need to be able to sell the club to these players in the first place.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:07 am

stevee1966 wrote:What's the point in 'state of the art trainging ground' if we're falling down the leagues.

Money does not guarantee a winning team but i do worry about our new recruits into an 'ok' championship team, compared to what the rest of the premier league teams are signing.



Who's falling down the leagues? Comparing teams is difficult as we haven't started yet you've just got to trust NW in his judgement of players signed and looking at some teams in premiership they've not exactly spent big or bought lots players and may well struggle again. :old:

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:10 am

Think I'm going to have to bit as well!

I honestly can't believe some of the comments from some posters here!

Not so long ago I was stood on a half empty Canton stand watching dire, slow, boring football under Trollope and Slade (No offence to the two of them) and was looking at the league table thinking that I could be watching league 1 football soon with a club that has a mounting of debt!

Fast forward a few years and for the same price I was paying to watch that shite I'll be stood on the canton stand with a capacity crowd watching my hometown club taking on the best teams in the UK.

People have very short memories and need to be carful what they wish for. Yes I'm a little concerned about certain positions, yes I'm a little concerned about the two results against Rotherham and Torquay however, the transfer window is not shut yet and we haven't even kicked a ball in the PL and some fans are already starting to slate the club for lack of spending etc..

Come on guys lets have a little perspective and just try and enjoy the up and coming season regardless of where we finish.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:24 am

nubbsy wrote:How so many people have given this idiot the time of day to respond with balanced answers I'll never know. You can't educate pork! :sleepy2:


Thats because the forums quiet at the moment Nubs and this particular multi has just given it a 2 pager. :lol:

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:24 am

I cant beleive they have not stretched the budget out for one marquee signing. Medel was sold without any problems because his value was held as he is class

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:37 am

I will bite .. take it you were tongue in cheek..
Vincent Tan has been one of our best owners.. but you know that ...

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:53 am

ThomasC wrote:I cant beleive they have not stretched the budget out for one marquee signing. Medel was sold without any problems because his value was held as he is class


Spot on. Many on here refer about the last time that we splashed the cash and wasted money in the Premiership whereas in fact this was not the case. We did recover a lot of the money.

The clubs financial stability is important and its vital that we don’t overspend but it seems many fans are petrified of spending a penny too much. The club is receiving huge sums as a result of being promoted. If you look at the bigger picture and invest wisely to stay in the top flight then debts are eradicated completely. (I am not a gambler but that’s the way I see it, investment will pay dividends). The club would go from strength to strength. Why can the top teams spend 200m a season? Because they started off like us but stayed there and have been rewarded with huge sums of money EVERY season. I hope that the club are not just happy to settle for the parachute payments if relegated but are going to give it a go. Everything done so far appears to be on a budget. I would rather get 3 quality (Gary Medel) type players who will not lose their value than sign 6 average players. It’s a fine balancing act. These opportunities do not come around often. By the way Reid & Murphy May well do a great job in the Premiership.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:11 am

keano wrote:The squad needs improving that’s where the money is needed


It is always easy to spend other people's money rather than your own cash.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:14 am

bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:I cant beleive they have not stretched the budget out for one marquee signing. Medel was sold without any problems because his value was held as he is class


Spot on. Many on here refer about the last time that we splashed the cash and wasted money in the Premiership whereas in fact this was not the case. We did recover a lot of the money.

The clubs financial stability is important and its vital that we don’t overspend but it seems many fans are petrified of spending a penny too much. The club is receiving huge sums as a result of being promoted. If you look at the bigger picture and invest wisely to stay in the top flight then debts are eradicated completely. (I am not a gambler but that’s the way I see it, investment will pay dividends). The club would go from strength to strength. Why can the top teams spend 200m a season? Because they started off like us but stayed there and have been rewarded with huge sums of money EVERY season. I hope that the club are not just happy to settle for the parachute payments if relegated but are going to give it a go. Everything done so far appears to be on a budget. I would rather get 3 quality (Gary Medel) type players who will not lose their value than sign 6 average players. It’s a fine balancing act. These opportunities do not come around often. By the way Reid & Murphy May well do a great job in the Premiership.



I agree to a certain extent however, this marquee signing would, 1 - cost a lot of money upfront, 2 - have a large wage demand compared to the players we are signing now, 3 - would want better relegation clauses in their contract than the players we are signing now.

I'm looking forward to us being the underdog in everyone of our games next season as it usually helps us create a better atmosphere and you enjoy the result a lot more if it goes our way.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:20 am

bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:I cant beleive they have not stretched the budget out for one marquee signing. Medel was sold without any problems because his value was held as he is class


Spot on. Many on here refer about the last time that we splashed the cash and wasted money in the Premiership whereas in fact this was not the case. We did recover a lot of the money.

The clubs financial stability is important and its vital that we don’t overspend but it seems many fans are petrified of spending a penny too much. The club is receiving huge sums as a result of being promoted. If you look at the bigger picture and invest wisely to stay in the top flight then debts are eradicated completely. (I am not a gambler but that’s the way I see it, investment will pay dividends). The club would go from strength to strength. Why can the top teams spend 200m a season? Because they started off like us but stayed there and have been rewarded with huge sums of money EVERY season. I hope that the club are not just happy to settle for the parachute payments if relegated but are going to give it a go. Everything done so far appears to be on a budget. I would rather get 3 quality (Gary Medel) type players who will not lose their value than sign 6 average players. It’s a fine balancing act. These opportunities do not come around often. By the way Reid & Murphy May well do a great job in the Premiership.


'Looking at the bigger picture' also includes looking at the possibility of being relegated. We were left in a complete mess last time and it cost us a fortune paying off contracts of players we couldn't move on.

The club simply doesn't have the resources to compete financially with other more established PL sides and it would be irresponsible for us to try.

We are doing it the correct way this time and if we do go down then we will be in a much better position to have a real go at bouncing back.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:23 am

ThomasC wrote:I cant beleive they have not stretched the budget out for one marquee signing. Medel was sold without any problems because his value was held as he is class




its the wages,agents fees,image rights etc etc etc where the bulk of debts came from not the transfer fees attatched to the players..how else did we/every other club acumalate all the debt..

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:27 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
keano wrote:The squad needs improving that’s where the money is needed


It is always easy to spend other people's money rather than your own cash.


Its always easy to post bollox as a multi. :lol:

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:36 am

keano wrote:Tan is at it again he’s 1 of the richest guys in Malaysia and he gives warnock a shit budget we be the laughing stock again pathetic plus we should be beating the likes of Rotherham no matter what team we put out total rubbish


I think we are spending sensibly unlike last time we went up when we signed everyone we could.

Let's not forget we would have gone bust a long time ago if it wasn't for Tan and we would probably be in league one right now.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:38 am

Mikey27 wrote:
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:I cant beleive they have not stretched the budget out for one marquee signing. Medel was sold without any problems because his value was held as he is class


Spot on. Many on here refer about the last time that we splashed the cash and wasted money in the Premiership whereas in fact this was not the case. We did recover a lot of the money.

The clubs financial stability is important and its vital that we don’t overspend but it seems many fans are petrified of spending a penny too much. The club is receiving huge sums as a result of being promoted. If you look at the bigger picture and invest wisely to stay in the top flight then debts are eradicated completely. (I am not a gambler but that’s the way I see it, investment will pay dividends). The club would go from strength to strength. Why can the top teams spend 200m a season? Because they started off like us but stayed there and have been rewarded with huge sums of money EVERY season. I hope that the club are not just happy to settle for the parachute payments if relegated but are going to give it a go. Everything done so far appears to be on a budget. I would rather get 3 quality (Gary Medel) type players who will not lose their value than sign 6 average players. It’s a fine balancing act. These opportunities do not come around often. By the way Reid & Murphy May well do a great job in the Premiership.



I agree to a certain extent however, this marquee signing would, 1 - cost a lot of money upfront, 2 - have a large wage demand compared to the players we are signing now, 3 - would want better relegation clauses in their contract than the players we are signing now.

I'm looking forward to us being the underdog in everyone of our games next season as it usually helps us create a better atmosphere and you enjoy the result a lot more if it goes our way.



Also which is never mentioned paying a big fee is a two way gamble 1st he may not be as influential with us as with other team plus importantly he may get serious injury (cruciate) that will mean 15m+ down train for 1yr yes all ifs & buts, they have to be taken into account for a team like us with limited cash :thumbup:

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:21 pm

Mikey27 wrote:Think I'm going to have to bit as well!

I honestly can't believe some of the comments from some posters here!

Not so long ago I was stood on a half empty Canton stand watching dire, slow, boring football under Trollope and Slade (No offence to the two of them) and was looking at the league table thinking that I could be watching league 1 football soon with a club that has a mounting of debt!

Fast forward a few years and for the same price I was paying to watch that shite I'll be stood on the canton stand with a capacity crowd watching my hometown club taking on the best teams in the UK.

People have very short memories and need to be carful what they wish for. Yes I'm a little concerned about certain positions, yes I'm a little concerned about the two results against Rotherham and Torquay however, the transfer window is not shut yet and we haven't even kicked a ball in the PL and some fans are already starting to slate the club for lack of spending etc..

Come on guys lets have a little perspective and just try and enjoy the up and coming season regardless of where we finish.

That’s it. In a nutshell. Well said mate.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:56 pm

Ffs, some of the comments on here are pathetic, especially the OP’s.

Let’s have a little perspective eh? The last time went up was pathetic.

We’re buying sensibly. If we’re going down then we won’t have an ‘ok’ championship side by any means.

We had to sell all the big time Charlie’s last time. That won’t happen if we do go down.

It’ll be the same numpties asking for Warnocks head if we lose the first few games too.

Behave.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:37 pm

Op is the biggest clown on here.

Do one pal.

In Warnock I trust.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:02 pm

norms76 wrote:Ffs, some of the comments on here are pathetic, especially the OP’s.

Let’s have a little perspective eh? The last time went up was pathetic.

We’re buying sensibly. If we’re going down then we won’t have an ‘ok’ championship side by any means.

We had to sell all the big time Charlie’s last time. That won’t happen if we do go down.

It’ll be the same numpties asking for Warnocks head if we lose the first few games too.

Behave.

Exactly this.

Our fans are f*cking embarrassing sometimes.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:17 pm

kimble wrote:What irks me is someone saying some of our fans are deluded.....why cos their opinion doesn t fit with yours......football is all about opinions...and every one is right because its individually our own ..opinions ...we all have our own view ..simples



really...everyone is always right providing you can attach the word football to it.. :lol: :lol:
now that is deluded.

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:19 pm

Pathetic supporter

Re: Pathetic budget

Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:42 pm

paulh_85 wrote:Pathetic supporter

This. Probably doesn't know where we have been to get to this point.

We are living wisely now. Let QPR be a lesson to you all