VAR what a waste of time

Watching the Portugul v Iran game last night made me fear for the beautiful game that is football.

Firstly I have to say the referee lost it last night but what was more worrying was every time there was a major decision to be made you had players pressurising the referee to go to VAR and boy did he go to it.

The game became so disjointed is was as bad as watching Rugby, the game was destroyed by the ref with VAR, if you noticed there were only 6 minutes added after all subs had been used which meant that only 3 minutes were added for VAR time when in reality upwards of 10 minutes were lose when the referee was consulting VAR, we the spectators are being short changed by this nonsense. THIS WILL BE THE END OF THE BEAUTIFUL GAME AS WE KNOW IT lets go back to leaving it to the referee and see a few mistakes in the game. its better for it

VAR is brilliant for football. Would you be saying that it’s a waste of time if VAR ruled out a goal against City in the last game of the season to keep us up and another windfall of 200m? The important thing in sport is not only the enjoyment but to make sure that the correct result is achieved otherwise it’s pointless waltacking it. How can you say that the best team won a certain game or the League if they had all the decisions go their way. Decision do not even themselves out.

Football is light years behind other sports where technology has been used to good effect for a long time, rugby, tennis, cricket, American Football. It’s about time that Football caught up with time. Goaline technology was the first step & VAR the second.

1 wrong decision can cost a club their status and 200m. A no brainier particularly when the standard of refereeing is not the best.

Football has been quite a popular sport for a long time without VAR. Certainly caused just as much controversy at the WC as poor ref decisions would have. If VAR caused us to lose the last game of the season, which ended our PL ambitions, I would be cursing it. I guess there are two sides to every argument, and you just wait for the players who will continually surround the ref to refer to VAR every time they disagree with him, which is pretty much every decision made.

Watching the Portugul v Iran game last night made me fear for the beautiful game that is football.

Firstly I have to say the referee lost it last night but what was more worrying was every time there was a major decision to be made you had players pressurising the referee to go to VAR and boy did he go to it.

The game became so disjointed is was as bad as watching Rugby, the game was destroyed by the ref with VAR, if you noticed there were only 6 minutes added after all subs had been used which meant that only 3 minutes were added for VAR time when in reality upwards of 10 minutes were lose when the referee was consulting VAR, we the spectators are being short changed by this nonsense. THIS WILL BE THE END OF THE BEAUTIFUL GAME AS WE KNOW IT lets go back to leaving it to the referee and see a few mistakes in the game. its better for it

VAR is brilliant for football. Would you be saying that it’s a waste of time if VAR ruled out a goal against City in the last game of the season to keep us up and another windfall of 200m? The important thing in sport is not only the enjoyment but to make sure that the correct result is achieved otherwise it’s pointless waltacking it. How can you say that the best team won a certain game or the League if they had all the decisions go their way. Decision do not even themselves out.

Football is light years behind other sports where technology has been used to good effect for a long time, rugby, tennis, cricket, American Football. It’s about time that Football caught up with time. Goaline technology was the first step & VAR the second.

1 wrong decision can cost a club their status and 200m. A no brainier particularly when the standard of refereeing is not the best.

your Cardiff analogy...if you had watched us for any amount of time the followqing would be the far more likely..
Fulham won 1.0 on the final day courtesy of a VAR pen identical to thatr awarded against portugal while we frew 0=0 in a game where our players were wrestled to the ground 3 times a la kane /mitrovich.... that would be your 200 million pound result and youd be happy because its pretend technology ?
it is a no brainer goal line technology is technology and is acurate...VAR is based on humans |{ referees who arnt the best } looking at screens from camera angles and telling other refs { who are the arnt the best refs you refer to but obviously better than the ones in fancy dress in a van }they might be wrong..NONE of which in that Portugal game had a better angle or view than the actual ref had.
as for the ref it wasnt him reffering to VAR it was VAR suggestiung he was wrong.

Watching the Portugul v Iran game last night made me fear for the beautiful game that is football.

Firstly I have to say the referee lost it last night but what was more worrying was every time there was a major decision to be made you had players pressurising the referee to go to VAR and boy did he go to it.

The game became so disjointed is was as bad as watching Rugby, the game was destroyed by the ref with VAR, if you noticed there were only 6 minutes added after all subs had been used which meant that only 3 minutes were added for VAR time when in reality upwards of 10 minutes were lose when the referee was consulting VAR, we the spectators are being short changed by this nonsense. THIS WILL BE THE END OF THE BEAUTIFUL GAME AS WE KNOW IT lets go back to leaving it to the referee and see a few mistakes in the game. its better for it

VAR is brilliant for football. Would you be saying that it’s a waste of time if VAR ruled out a goal against City in the last game of the season to keep us up and another windfall of 200m? The important thing in sport is not only the enjoyment but to make sure that the correct result is achieved otherwise it’s pointless waltacking it. How can you say that the best team won a certain game or the League if they had all the decisions go their way. Decision do not even themselves out.

Football is light years behind other sports where technology has been used to good effect for a long time, rugby, tennis, cricket, American Football. It’s about time that Football caught up with time. Goaline technology was the first step & VAR the second.

1 wrong decision can cost a club their status and 200m. A no brainier particularly when the standard of refereeing is not the best.

your Cardiff analogy...if you had watched us for any amount of time the followqing would be the far more likely..
Fulham won 1.0 on the final day courtesy of a VAR pen identical to thatr awarded against portugal while we frew 0=0 in a game where our players were wrestled to the ground 3 times a la kane /mitrovich.... that would be your 200 million pound result and youd be happy because its pretend technology ?
it is a no brainer goal line technology is technology and is acurate...VAR is based on humans |{ referees who arnt the best } looking at screens from camera angles and telling other refs { who are the arnt the best refs you refer to but obviously better than the ones in fancy dress in a van }they might be wrong..NONE of which in that Portugal game had a better angle or view than the actual ref had.
as for the ref it wasnt him reffering to VAR it was VAR suggestiung he was wrong.

I have been watching City for a very long time and I have seen many incorrect decisions. VAR is at an early stage and I agree that it does need improving. The one thing it does cut out are numerous incidents where clearly the ref hasn’t seen an incident and where the line assistants have failed to get involved. Fair to say that most VAR decisions in this World Cup have been correct however some have been wrong or missed e.g. the 2 man rugby tackle on Mitrovic. On a couple of penalty shouts it appears as those some refs may be influenced by being asked to take a second look by another official. E.g when a ball came off a defenders head and hit his arm unintentionally and a pen was awarded. However overall believe it’s picked up a lot more and ensured many more correct decisions rather than not using it at all.

Watching the Portugul v Iran game last night made me fear for the beautiful game that is football.

Firstly I have to say the referee lost it last night but what was more worrying was every time there was a major decision to be made you had players pressurising the referee to go to VAR and boy did he go to it.

The game became so disjointed is was as bad as watching Rugby, the game was destroyed by the ref with VAR, if you noticed there were only 6 minutes added after all subs had been used which meant that only 3 minutes were added for VAR time when in reality upwards of 10 minutes were lose when the referee was consulting VAR, we the spectators are being short changed by this nonsense. THIS WILL BE THE END OF THE BEAUTIFUL GAME AS WE KNOW IT lets go back to leaving it to the referee and see a few mistakes in the game. its better for it

VAR is brilliant for football. Would you be saying that it’s a waste of time if VAR ruled out a goal against City in the last game of the season to keep us up and another windfall of 200m? The important thing in sport is not only the enjoyment but to make sure that the correct result is achieved otherwise it’s pointless waltacking it. How can you say that the best team won a certain game or the League if they had all the decisions go their way. Decision do not even themselves out.

Football is light years behind other sports where technology has been used to good effect for a long time, rugby, tennis, cricket, American Football. It’s about time that Football caught up with time. Goaline technology was the first step & VAR the second.

1 wrong decision can cost a club their status and 200m. A no brainier particularly when the standard of refereeing is not the best.

your Cardiff analogy...if you had watched us for any amount of time the followqing would be the far more likely..
Fulham won 1.0 on the final day courtesy of a VAR pen identical to thatr awarded against portugal while we frew 0=0 in a game where our players were wrestled to the ground 3 times a la kane /mitrovich.... that would be your 200 million pound result and youd be happy because its pretend technology ?
it is a no brainer goal line technology is technology and is acurate...VAR is based on humans |{ referees who arnt the best } looking at screens from camera angles and telling other refs { who are the arnt the best refs you refer to but obviously better than the ones in fancy dress in a van }they might be wrong..NONE of which in that Portugal game had a better angle or view than the actual ref had.
as for the ref it wasnt him reffering to VAR it was VAR suggestiung he was wrong.

I have been watching City for a very long time and I have seen many incorrect decisions. VAR is at an early stage and I agree that it does need improving. The one thing it does cut out are numerous incidents where clearly the ref hasn’t seen an incident and where the line assistants have failed to get involved. Fair to say that most VAR decisions in this World Cup have been correct however some have been wrong or missed e.g. the 2 man rugby tackle on Mitrovic. On a couple of penalty shouts it appears as those some refs may be influenced by being asked to take a second look by another official. E.g when a ball came off a defenders head and hit his arm unintentionally and a pen was awarded. However overall believe it’s picked up a lot more and ensured many more correct decisions rather than not using it at all.

how do you improve something where human inconsistency is its biggest problem.?
ever since there has been TV coverage we have had replays,then slowmo replays then replays from different angles. one thing remained though fans ,experts ,pundits and infact other refs who could not agree if it was deliberate hand ball or notr. a foul or not..even offside or not...so where do we find these bionic people who are to come up with these perfect decisions that unite everyone.
and have most of the VAR decisions been correct..? ..the majority ive seen were livable with as opposed to being nailed on.

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

I agree, used correctly it has my vote

Watching the Portugul v Iran game last night made me fear for the beautiful game that is football.

Firstly I have to say the referee lost it last night but what was more worrying was every time there was a major decision to be made you had players pressurising the referee to go to VAR and boy did he go to it.

The game became so disjointed is was as bad as watching Rugby, the game was destroyed by the ref with VAR, if you noticed there were only 6 minutes added after all subs had been used which meant that only 3 minutes were added for VAR time when in reality upwards of 10 minutes were lose when the referee was consulting VAR, we the spectators are being short changed by this nonsense. THIS WILL BE THE END OF THE BEAUTIFUL GAME AS WE KNOW IT lets go back to leaving it to the referee and see a few mistakes in the game. its better for it

VAR is brilliant for football. Would you be saying that it’s a waste of time if VAR ruled out a goal against City in the last game of the season to keep us up and another windfall of 200m? The important thing in sport is not only the enjoyment but to make sure that the correct result is achieved otherwise it’s pointless waltacking it. How can you say that the best team won a certain game or the League if they had all the decisions go their way. Decision do not even themselves out.

Football is light years behind other sports where technology has been used to good effect for a long time, rugby, tennis, cricket, American Football. It’s about time that Football caught up with time. Goaline technology was the first step & VAR the second.

1 wrong decision can cost a club their status and 200m. A no brainier particularly when the standard of refereeing is not the best.

your Cardiff analogy...if you had watched us for any amount of time the followqing would be the far more likely..
Fulham won 1.0 on the final day courtesy of a VAR pen identical to thatr awarded against portugal while we frew 0=0 in a game where our players were wrestled to the ground 3 times a la kane /mitrovich.... that would be your 200 million pound result and youd be happy because its pretend technology ?
it is a no brainer goal line technology is technology and is acurate...VAR is based on humans |{ referees who arnt the best } looking at screens from camera angles and telling other refs { who are the arnt the best refs you refer to but obviously better than the ones in fancy dress in a van }they might be wrong..NONE of which in that Portugal game had a better angle or view than the actual ref had.
as for the ref it wasnt him reffering to VAR it was VAR suggestiung he was wrong.

I have been watching City for a very long time and I have seen many incorrect decisions. VAR is at an early stage and I agree that it does need improving. The one thing it does cut out are numerous incidents where clearly the ref hasn’t seen an incident and where the line assistants have failed to get involved. Fair to say that most VAR decisions in this World Cup have been correct however some have been wrong or missed e.g. the 2 man rugby tackle on Mitrovic. On a couple of penalty shouts it appears as those some refs may be influenced by being asked to take a second look by another official. E.g when a ball came off a defenders head and hit his arm unintentionally and a pen was awarded. However overall believe it’s picked up a lot more and ensured many more correct decisions rather than not using it at all.

how do you improve something where human inconsistency is its biggest problem.?
ever since there has been TV coverage we have had replays,then slowmo replays then replays from different angles. one thing remained though fans ,experts ,pundits and infact other refs who could not agree if it was deliberate hand ball or notr. a foul or not..even offside or not...so where do we find these bionic people who are to come up with these perfect decisions that unite everyone.
and have most of the VAR decisions been correct..? ..the majority ive seen were livable with as opposed to being nailed on.

South Korea v Germany game a classic example why VAR should be used. Both linesman & ref got the decision wrong and VAR correctly highlighted South Koreas’s goal. What if had been ruled out, Germany go down the other end and score and then all of a sudden Mexico are out of the World Cup?

yes they got one nailed..a clear error nobody can argue with .well done VAR 42 games to come up with one non contentious decision.

how the officials missed 2 germans touch the ball is another matter..

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

its the inconsistency...son got booked this afternoon in an incident i felt was similkar to the Ronaldo pen..in one VAR got involved, in the other it didnt...both were not clear and could be given either way with a normal ref..with VAR..or with Mr Magoo tossing a coin....

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

...no your right and thats the problem in long term are our refs as consistent as others? Yes var as good points like the corners/offides but is that enough to warrant its use? Also whats next with var rugnh started with try line decisions now its for moves 1or 2 mins earlier like foward pass knockons , will possible fouls ect be looked at in build up to goal? Sorry while var az some valid points it will not stop mistakes and will lead to more protests by players managers to use it unnecessarily when decision goes against them

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

I personally think it should be used like they do in rugby. Maybe have the 4th official check the tv screen if need something checked and speak to ref through earpiece to just say give goal or not

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

I personally think it should be used like they do in rugby. Maybe have the 4th official check the tv screen if need something checked and speak to ref through earpiece to just say give goal or not

At end of day var was suppose to cut out obvious mistakes although been used for 21 pens have more than 2 been an obvious error doubt it? And it is not fool proof as we've seen so what's point if dicisions not 100% correct after its use? May as well keep a system we've had for over 100years.

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

I personally think it should be used like they do in rugby. Maybe have the 4th official check the tv screen if need something checked and speak to ref through earpiece to just say give goal or not

At end of day var was suppose to cut out obvious mistakes although been used for 21 pens have more than 2 been an obvious error doubt it? And it is not fool proof as we've seen so what's point if dicisions not 100% correct after its use? May as well keep a system we've had for over 100years.

even the rules of the game have been revised in the last 100 years, so many changes from the backpass rule to ammendments in the offside rule, that little things like using a camera to double check decisions seem minor i understand the problems with it that youve highlighted but every issue you speak about comes from referees and VAR officials, not from the technology itself tbh.

Just like there were problems with players adapting to the backpass rule, there are issues with officials adapting to the new technologies, but years down the line nobody is fighting to abolish the backpass rule as its become seamless and i think it will be the same with var personally

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

I personally think it should be used like they do in rugby. Maybe have the 4th official check the tv screen if need something checked and speak to ref through earpiece to just say give goal or not

At end of day var was suppose to cut out obvious mistakes although been used for 21 pens have more than 2 been an obvious error doubt it? And it is not fool proof as we've seen so what's point if dicisions not 100% correct after its use? May as well keep a system we've had for over 100years.

even the rules of the game have been revised in the last 100 years, so many changes from the backpass rule to ammendments in the offside rule, that little things like using a camera to double check decisions seem minor i understand the problems with it that youve highlighted but every issue you speak about comes from referees and VAR officials, not from the technology itself tbh.

Just like there were problems with players adapting to the backpass rule, there are issues with officials adapting to the new technologies, but years down the line nobody is fighting to abolish the backpass rule as its become seamless and i think it will be the same with var personally

Var itself is flawless but is open to interpretation and will come back to my original point on this, ref stands 3 yrds away doesnt give pen yet var will use slow motion and 26 different angles to scrutinise the tackle you are bound to get a different aspect eg renaldo pen other night ref literally 3yds away waved play on and was adamant no pen yet var called him back saw contact which ref aready saw but then gave pen because is view was changed by slow motion and diffeent angles, its open to debate that renaldo deliberately went into player like previous pen he won! so ref was influenced by var which is not suppose to happen, reason for var is to illiminate mistakes but as been shown there are still mistakes made plus fifa as said it gets 95% decisions right well that surely is no different to now with officials So whats point of it?

how the officials missed 2 germans touch the ball is another matter..

In real time very few people saw that the German had played the ball. Touch and play are two different things in offside as well.

how the officials missed 2 germans touch the ball is another matter..

In real time very few people saw that the German had played the ball. Touch and play are two different things in offside as well.

i did, my boy did and the commentator did...thought it pretty clear myself..touch and play are open to interpretation.

how the officials missed 2 germans touch the ball is another matter..

In real time very few people saw that the German had played the ball. Touch and play are two different things in offside as well.

i did, my boy did and the commentator did...thought it pretty clear myself..touch and play are open to interpretation.

You are right it is interpretation law states player must intentionally make move to play ball and this is trouble with var its open to interpretation it's like the 2 hanball decisions other day both unintentional but 2 different interpretations by refs So what is point of var ? Only outcome can see is var deciding decisions just like tmo does now in rugby and tmo started out like var !

Great decision by VAR, just saved Colombia from a penalty. Worked quick and seamlessly.

For ze Germans, ze VAR is over.

For ze Germans, ze VAR is over.

I know one premier league manager will be insisting V A R is used in CF11

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

I personally think it should be used like they do in rugby. Maybe have the 4th official check the tv screen if need something checked and speak to ref through earpiece to just say give goal or not

At end of day var was suppose to cut out obvious mistakes although been used for 21 pens have more than 2 been an obvious error doubt it? And it is not fool proof as we've seen so what's point if dicisions not 100% correct after its use? May as well keep a system we've had for over 100years.

even the rules of the game have been revised in the last 100 years, so many changes from the backpass rule to ammendments in the offside rule, that little things like using a camera to double check decisions seem minor i understand the problems with it that youve highlighted but every issue you speak about comes from referees and VAR officials, not from the technology itself tbh.

Just like there were problems with players adapting to the backpass rule, there are issues with officials adapting to the new technologies, but years down the line nobody is fighting to abolish the backpass rule as its become seamless and i think it will be the same with var personally

Var itself is flawless but is open to interpretation and will come back to my original point on this, ref stands 3 yrds away doesnt give pen yet var will use slow motion and 26 different angles to scrutinise the tackle you are bound to get a different aspect eg renaldo pen other night ref literally 3yds away waved play on and was adamant no pen yet var called him back saw contact which ref aready saw but then gave pen because is view was changed by slow motion and diffeent angles, its open to debate that renaldo deliberately went into player like previous pen he won! so ref was influenced by var which is not suppose to happen, reason for var is to illiminate mistakes but as been shown there are still mistakes made plus fifa as said it gets 95% decisions right well that surely is no different to now with officials So whats point of it?

The point of it was shown today in the colombia game, and yesterday in the germany game. Two teams would potentially have been out of the world cup because of bad refereeing/linesman decisions but now they are through to the last 16.

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

I personally think it should be used like they do in rugby. Maybe have the 4th official check the tv screen if need something checked and speak to ref through earpiece to just say give goal or not

At end of day var was suppose to cut out obvious mistakes although been used for 21 pens have more than 2 been an obvious error doubt it? And it is not fool proof as we've seen so what's point if dicisions not 100% correct after its use? May as well keep a system we've had for over 100years.

even the rules of the game have been revised in the last 100 years, so many changes from the backpass rule to ammendments in the offside rule, that little things like using a camera to double check decisions seem minor i understand the problems with it that youve highlighted but every issue you speak about comes from referees and VAR officials, not from the technology itself tbh.

Just like there were problems with players adapting to the backpass rule, there are issues with officials adapting to the new technologies, but years down the line nobody is fighting to abolish the backpass rule as its become seamless and i think it will be the same with var personally

Var itself is flawless but is open to interpretation and will come back to my original point on this, ref stands 3 yrds away doesnt give pen yet var will use slow motion and 26 different angles to scrutinise the tackle you are bound to get a different aspect eg renaldo pen other night ref literally 3yds away waved play on and was adamant no pen yet var called him back saw contact which ref aready saw but then gave pen because is view was changed by slow motion and diffeent angles, its open to debate that renaldo deliberately went into player like previous pen he won! so ref was influenced by var which is not suppose to happen, reason for var is to illiminate mistakes but as been shown there are still mistakes made plus fifa as said it gets 95% decisions right well that surely is no different to now with officials So whats point of it?

The point of it was shown today in the colombia game, and yesterday in the germany game. Two teams would potentially have been out of the world cup because of bad refereeing/linesman decisions but now they are through to the last 16.

yes it works when it does but what about the glareing mistakes its made or the ammount of times refs are undermind by it? and what about refs making a sound decision but having var tell him he is blind? and yes it obviously works on clear errors but it doesnt work at other times and it 100% never will so whats the point?

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

I personally think it should be used like they do in rugby. Maybe have the 4th official check the tv screen if need something checked and speak to ref through earpiece to just say give goal or not

At end of day var was suppose to cut out obvious mistakes although been used for 21 pens have more than 2 been an obvious error doubt it? And it is not fool proof as we've seen so what's point if dicisions not 100% correct after its use? May as well keep a system we've had for over 100years.

even the rules of the game have been revised in the last 100 years, so many changes from the backpass rule to ammendments in the offside rule, that little things like using a camera to double check decisions seem minor i understand the problems with it that youve highlighted but every issue you speak about comes from referees and VAR officials, not from the technology itself tbh.

Just like there were problems with players adapting to the backpass rule, there are issues with officials adapting to the new technologies, but years down the line nobody is fighting to abolish the backpass rule as its become seamless and i think it will be the same with var personally

Var itself is flawless but is open to interpretation and will come back to my original point on this, ref stands 3 yrds away doesnt give pen yet var will use slow motion and 26 different angles to scrutinise the tackle you are bound to get a different aspect eg renaldo pen other night ref literally 3yds away waved play on and was adamant no pen yet var called him back saw contact which ref aready saw but then gave pen because is view was changed by slow motion and diffeent angles, its open to debate that renaldo deliberately went into player like previous pen he won! so ref was influenced by var which is not suppose to happen, reason for var is to illiminate mistakes but as been shown there are still mistakes made plus fifa as said it gets 95% decisions right well that surely is no different to now with officials So whats point of it?

The point of it was shown today in the colombia game, and yesterday in the germany game. Two teams would potentially have been out of the world cup because of bad refereeing/linesman decisions but now they are through to the last 16.

yes it works when it does but what about the glareing mistakes its made or the ammount of times refs are undermind by it? and what about refs making a sound decision but having var tell him he is blind? and yes it obviously works on clear errors but it doesnt work at other times and it 100% never will so whats the point?

feel like the 'ref being undermined by var' and 'ref making a decision for var to tell him he is blind' are just the same point worded differently to make it seem there are more issues with var than there actually are.

that is the one problem with it, putting pressure on refs to change their decision.. but at the end of the day if the ref, after watching back the footage, feels he made the right decision initially, then he needs to show some conviction and stick by his original decision (this has happened a couple of times in the world cup and countless times in the leagues where var is used domestically).

Also it was never going to 100% percent eliminate every problem with refereeing in the game, that was never the claim or intention, but that doesn't mean its not worthwhile. Hopefully they tone down the amount of referrals made but other than that i look forward to seeing more justice done by VAR

This germany korea game showed exactly how VAR should be used and how important it will be imo.

Yes great how many mistakes have there been so far 3? 95% of pens given have been as a result of ref changing his mind after revueing var so that is a lot of mistakes by refs standing a couple yds from incidents! But then when look at incidents was ref wrong in 1st place? All wel good looking at it with super slow motion and 26 angles but whos given the decisions ref or var? Not forgetting var cryteria is for clear and obvious mistakes which it clearly there as been only a few not 18 0r so in the pen decisions.

I think it's been used badly in this tournament, sending the ref to have a look at it when not needed, but when used correctly its surely a good thing.

Also even though sending the ref to have a look DOES put pressure on him, it does not force him to change his mind, final decision goes to the ref everytime. yesterday there was a VAR review due to handball and possible penalty. Ref had another look and just confirmed his original decision of no penalty, which some refs have been scared to do in this tournament.

Less pointless reviews where it's not a 'clear and obvious' mistake by the ref, yellow cards for players doing that VAR hand signal to pressure the ref, and more referees showing a backbone as the one yesterday did and VAR will be really useful imo, but i guess this is something everyone see's differently as even i'll admit its nowhere near an ideal solution at the moment.

I personally think it should be used like they do in rugby. Maybe have the 4th official check the tv screen if need something checked and speak to ref through earpiece to just say give goal or not

At end of day var was suppose to cut out obvious mistakes although been used for 21 pens have more than 2 been an obvious error doubt it? And it is not fool proof as we've seen so what's point if dicisions not 100% correct after its use? May as well keep a system we've had for over 100years.

even the rules of the game have been revised in the last 100 years, so many changes from the backpass rule to ammendments in the offside rule, that little things like using a camera to double check decisions seem minor i understand the problems with it that youve highlighted but every issue you speak about comes from referees and VAR officials, not from the technology itself tbh.

Just like there were problems with players adapting to the backpass rule, there are issues with officials adapting to the new technologies, but years down the line nobody is fighting to abolish the backpass rule as its become seamless and i think it will be the same with var personally

Var itself is flawless but is open to interpretation and will come back to my original point on this, ref stands 3 yrds away doesnt give pen yet var will use slow motion and 26 different angles to scrutinise the tackle you are bound to get a different aspect eg renaldo pen other night ref literally 3yds away waved play on and was adamant no pen yet var called him back saw contact which ref aready saw but then gave pen because is view was changed by slow motion and diffeent angles, its open to debate that renaldo deliberately went into player like previous pen he won! so ref was influenced by var which is not suppose to happen, reason for var is to illiminate mistakes but as been shown there are still mistakes made plus fifa as said it gets 95% decisions right well that surely is no different to now with officials So whats point of it?

The point of it was shown today in the colombia game, and yesterday in the germany game. Two teams would potentially have been out of the world cup because of bad refereeing/linesman decisions but now they are through to the last 16.

yes it works when it does but what about the glareing mistakes its made or the ammount of times refs are undermind by it? and what about refs making a sound decision but having var tell him he is blind? and yes it obviously works on clear errors but it doesnt work at other times and it 100% never will so whats the point?

feel like the 'ref being undermined by var' and 'ref making a decision for var to tell him he is blind' are just the same point worded differently to make it seem there are more issues with var than there actually are.

that is the one problem with it, putting pressure on refs to change their decision.. but at the end of the day if the ref, after watching back the footage, feels he made the right decision initially, then he needs to show some conviction and stick by his original decision (this has happened a couple of times in the world cup and countless times in the leagues where var is used domestically).

Also it was never going to 100% percent eliminate every problem with refereeing in the game, that was never the claim or intention, but that doesn't mean its not worthwhile. Hopefully they tone down the amount of referrals made but other than that i look forward to seeing more justice done by VAR

i bet you wont find 1 single Serbian that would agree with you.
we had this beautiful wondeful game that gets more po
pular year on year..it really wasnt broke..
so far we have had 2 or 3 clearly bad decisions overturned...about 50 clear iunfringments missed by the blokes in cowboy suits watching 26 angles...and games on hold and spontinuity stiffled...
and no it wasnt intended to elimiunate all problems...but it was introduced to pick up CLEAR mistakes..it hasnt got close, its concentrated on marginals that could be given either way no matter how many experts or tv angles there are..

how the officials missed 2 germans touch the ball is another matter..

In real time very few people saw that the German had played the ball. Touch and play are two different things in offside as well.

i did, my boy did and the commentator did...thought it pretty clear myself..touch and play are open to interpretation.

Most of the laws are open to interpretation, it's why there will never be consistency.

how the officials missed 2 germans touch the ball is another matter..

In real time very few people saw that the German had played the ball. Touch and play are two different things in offside as well.

i did, my boy did and the commentator did...thought it pretty clear myself..touch and play are open to interpretation.

Most of the laws are open to interpretation, it's why there will never be consistency.

And there is crux of problem with var? It is suppose to give condistancy in decisions by eliminating mistakes but as we have seen it doesnt do that and wont do it because it is open to interpretation? All you will get is ref being undermind by an official with 26 angles and super slow motion seeing things that the naked eye can never see in real time. Can you imagine the chaos at wolves game in last couple minutes with those pens.