BBC Article On Cardiff City’s Current Debts

[Forever Blue]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

your words annis

Neil, so where does it say I said the debt was still £200mill last year ?

Tan says he had put £200mill in to our club.

[oohahhPaulMillar]

The reality of the situation is that we owe virtually all the money to Tan

Tan is still subsidising us every year to allow us to be competitive in the championship

It's no secret that Tan has made numerous mistakes in the past which have cost the club millions..but we do seem to have learned from those mistakes and the club is being run far more professionally these days

However, credit where it is due it's his money (that he is unlikely to get back) which is keeping us afloat

I know that his may sound slightly stupid, but the amount of debt we have is basically irrelevant be it £75 million or £200 million because it is owed to one man who is extremely unlikely to get any of it back

[2blue2handle]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Annis you have been pushing for Warnock to get funds. You cant keep spending and reducing the debt at the same time.

Tan has turned a lot of debt to equity, not sure any other owner has done that before and a plan seems to be in place to get the debt down over the next few years.

Annis what would you have done differently the last two years to get the debt down?

Only thing I can think of is to have sold Zohore and Morrison and not given a new deal to Manga and only allow free transfers to bring in players. That would have brought the debt down but I don't think that would have been in the best interest of the club.

[maccydee]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Probably has put 200 million in. Fact the debt is a lot less shows that he takes nothing out of the club. No wage or consultancy fees. Best owner we have ever had. FACT.

This would have been Sam had we got up within two seasons of getting into the championship as all his dreams and aspirations would have come to fruition had we reached the Premiership.

[Forever Blue]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Annis you have been pushing for Warnock to get funds. You cant keep spending and reducing the debt at the same time.

Tan has turned a lot of debt to equity, not sure any other owner has done that before and a plan seems to be in place to get the debt down over the next few years.

Annis what would you have done differently the last two years to get the debt down?

Only thing I can think of is to have sold Zohore and Morrison and not given a new deal to Manga and only allow free transfers to bring in players. That would have brought the debt down but I don't think that would have been in the best interest of the club.

Luke,

Show me where I asked for funds for Warnock?

[Felixstowe_jack]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

What's the cash prize for finishing 2nd or winning the play offs?

No cash prize for winning the play offs. All the gate money is shared amongst the loosing play off team and teams who were in Semi Final.

[2blue2handle]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Annis you have been pushing for Warnock to get funds. You cant keep spending and reducing the debt at the same time.

Tan has turned a lot of debt to equity, not sure any other owner has done that before and a plan seems to be in place to get the debt down over the next few years.

Annis what would you have done differently the last two years to get the debt down?

Only thing I can think of is to have sold Zohore and Morrison and not given a new deal to Manga and only allow free transfers to bring in players. That would have brought the debt down but I don't think that would have been in the best interest of the club.

Luke,

Show me where I asked for funds for Warnock?

Annis I don’t have the time or the know how to look through your posts , if you say you didn’t want Warnock to be backed with funds then ill happily take your word on it. I felt from reading your posts previously you wanted him to be backed but maybe I assumed.

I do think most people wanted Warnock to have funds and be backed though and I would say that has been the right decision in my opinion.

So back to my question what would you have done differently the last two seasons to reduce the debt? would you have sold the players previously mentioned? and reduced the debt further? and looked more to stay up like we have previous seasons?

I've wanted the same as soon as we came down from the prem, personally I think we took to long to sell off players like Marshall and shouldn’t have reinvested under Ole like we did. But I do think now the club going forward seem to be reducing the debt and investing at the right times so i'm pleased.

[Whistler]

As mentioned on here, Tan has made some big errors in his early years with the club and has been the subject of considerable sick from fans and I know Annis has been very vocal on all things to do with the re-brand, and I understand that.

I think that given where the club is and the financial climate faced by championship clubs, we should now start considering ourselves fortunate to have the financial backing Tan is providing and the decisions that he is making alongside Dalman and Choo is starting to give the club a good name amongst us the fans and the football world as a whole. He is no longer the fool people want to ridicule. Just look at our 'friends' down the road!

cheers Vincent Tan

[Forever Blue]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Annis you have been pushing for Warnock to get funds. You cant keep spending and reducing the debt at the same time.

Tan has turned a lot of debt to equity, not sure any other owner has done that before and a plan seems to be in place to get the debt down over the next few years.

Annis what would you have done differently the last two years to get the debt down?

Only thing I can think of is to have sold Zohore and Morrison and not given a new deal to Manga and only allow free transfers to bring in players. That would have brought the debt down but I don't think that would have been in the best interest of the club.

Luke,

Show me where I asked for funds for Warnock?

Annis I don’t have the time or the know how to look through your posts , if you say you didn’t want Warnock to be backed with funds then ill happily take your word on it. I felt from reading your posts previously you wanted him to be backed but maybe I assumed.

I do think most people wanted Warnock to have funds and be backed though and I would say that has been the right decision in my opinion.

So back to my question what would you have done differently the last two seasons to reduce the debt? would you have sold the players previously mentioned? and reduced the debt further? and looked more to stay up like we have previous seasons?

I've wanted the same as soon as we came down from the prem, personally I think we took to long to sell off players like Marshall and shouldn’t have reinvested under Ole like we did. But I do think now the club going forward seem to be reducing the debt and investing at the right times so i'm pleased.

Luke,

This comes up time and time again by you but u never back it up?

I never ask Tan to spend.

All I do is say who Warnock wants and talk about players, posditions etc

But I never ever put demands on Tan to spend.

I have said if Tan wants his money back the only way would be promoted to the Prem League, but that’s down to him.

[Furte boy]

Do the bbc publish and analyse all championship accounts when published?

[2blue2handle]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Annis you have been pushing for Warnock to get funds. You cant keep spending and reducing the debt at the same time.

Tan has turned a lot of debt to equity, not sure any other owner has done that before and a plan seems to be in place to get the debt down over the next few years.

Annis what would you have done differently the last two years to get the debt down?

Only thing I can think of is to have sold Zohore and Morrison and not given a new deal to Manga and only allow free transfers to bring in players. That would have brought the debt down but I don't think that would have been in the best interest of the club.

Luke,

Show me where I asked for funds for Warnock?

Annis I don’t have the time or the know how to look through your posts , if you say you didn’t want Warnock to be backed with funds then ill happily take your word on it. I felt from reading your posts previously you wanted him to be backed but maybe I assumed.

I do think most people wanted Warnock to have funds and be backed though and I would say that has been the right decision in my opinion.

So back to my question what would you have done differently the last two seasons to reduce the debt? would you have sold the players previously mentioned? and reduced the debt further? and looked more to stay up like we have previous seasons?

I've wanted the same as soon as we came down from the prem, personally I think we took to long to sell off players like Marshall and shouldn’t have reinvested under Ole like we did. But I do think now the club going forward seem to be reducing the debt and investing at the right times so i'm pleased.

Luke,

This comes up time and time again by you but u never back it up?

I never ask Tan to spend.

All I do is say who Warnock wants and talk about players, posditions etc

But I never ever put demands on Tan to spend.

I have said if Tan wants his money back the only way would be promoted to the Prem League, but that’s down to him.

Annis show me where I have said this before to you? I don't ever remember saying it?

[Forever Blue]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Annis you have been pushing for Warnock to get funds. You cant keep spending and reducing the debt at the same time.

Tan has turned a lot of debt to equity, not sure any other owner has done that before and a plan seems to be in place to get the debt down over the next few years.

Annis what would you have done differently the last two years to get the debt down?

Only thing I can think of is to have sold Zohore and Morrison and not given a new deal to Manga and only allow free transfers to bring in players. That would have brought the debt down but I don't think that would have been in the best interest of the club.

Luke,

Show me where I asked for funds for Warnock?

Annis I don’t have the time or the know how to look through your posts , if you say you didn’t want Warnock to be backed with funds then ill happily take your word on it. I felt from reading your posts previously you wanted him to be backed but maybe I assumed.

I do think most people wanted Warnock to have funds and be backed though and I would say that has been the right decision in my opinion.

So back to my question what would you have done differently the last two seasons to reduce the debt? would you have sold the players previously mentioned? and reduced the debt further? and looked more to stay up like we have previous seasons?

I've wanted the same as soon as we came down from the prem, personally I think we took to long to sell off players like Marshall and shouldn’t have reinvested under Ole like we did. But I do think now the club going forward seem to be reducing the debt and investing at the right times so i'm pleased.

Luke,

This comes up time and time again by you but u never back it up?

I never ask Tan to spend.

All I do is say who Warnock wants and talk about players, posditions etc

But I never ever put demands on Tan to spend.

I have said if Tan wants his money back the only way would be promoted to the Prem League, but that’s down to him.

Annis show me where I have said this before to you? I don't ever remember saying it?

Luke, first show me where I ask Tan to spend money? ? ?

You started the accusation.

[2blue2handle]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Annis you have been pushing for Warnock to get funds. You cant keep spending and reducing the debt at the same time.

Tan has turned a lot of debt to equity, not sure any other owner has done that before and a plan seems to be in place to get the debt down over the next few years.

Annis what would you have done differently the last two years to get the debt down?

Only thing I can think of is to have sold Zohore and Morrison and not given a new deal to Manga and only allow free transfers to bring in players. That would have brought the debt down but I don't think that would have been in the best interest of the club.

Luke,

Show me where I asked for funds for Warnock?

Annis I don’t have the time or the know how to look through your posts , if you say you didn’t want Warnock to be backed with funds then ill happily take your word on it. I felt from reading your posts previously you wanted him to be backed but maybe I assumed.

I do think most people wanted Warnock to have funds and be backed though and I would say that has been the right decision in my opinion.

So back to my question what would you have done differently the last two seasons to reduce the debt? would you have sold the players previously mentioned? and reduced the debt further? and looked more to stay up like we have previous seasons?

I've wanted the same as soon as we came down from the prem, personally I think we took to long to sell off players like Marshall and shouldn’t have reinvested under Ole like we did. But I do think now the club going forward seem to be reducing the debt and investing at the right times so i'm pleased.

Luke,

This comes up time and time again by you but u never back it up?

I never ask Tan to spend.

All I do is say who Warnock wants and talk about players, posditions etc

But I never ever put demands on Tan to spend.

I have said if Tan wants his money back the only way would be promoted to the Prem League, but that’s down to him.

Annis show me where I have said this before to you? I don't ever remember saying it?

Luke, first show me where I ask Tan to spend money? ? ?

You started the accusation.

Ive said i'm not going to bother, happy to take your word for it Annis said that above.

Hardly an accusation, more a misunderstanding, I assumed from reading your posts and I honestly thought you wanted Warnock to be backed.

Where as you have said I say it time and time again so you must have read something solid which I find odd as I don't think I have.

[wez1927]

But I read on here the other day it’s £178 million.

Surely that must have been right?

Interesting Neil, where did you see that ??

I thought it was 200 million

Tans own words reckon he put £200 million in.

Main point is our debt made by Tan is still beyond £115mill and after 8 yrs in charge still losing money beyond, not good.

I thought the debt was about £75mill now, shocked it’s £115 mill.

Annis you have been pushing for Warnock to get funds. You cant keep spending and reducing the debt at the same time.

Tan has turned a lot of debt to equity, not sure any other owner has done that before and a plan seems to be in place to get the debt down over the next few years.

Annis what would you have done differently the last two years to get the debt down?

Only thing I can think of is to have sold Zohore and Morrison and not given a new deal to Manga and only allow free transfers to bring in players. That would have brought the debt down but I don't think that would have been in the best interest of the club.

Luke,

Show me where I asked for funds for Warnock?

Annis I don’t have the time or the know how to look through your posts , if you say you didn’t want Warnock to be backed with funds then ill happily take your word on it. I felt from reading your posts previously you wanted him to be backed but maybe I assumed.

I do think most people wanted Warnock to have funds and be backed though and I would say that has been the right decision in my opinion.

So back to my question what would you have done differently the last two seasons to reduce the debt? would you have sold the players previously mentioned? and reduced the debt further? and looked more to stay up like we have previous seasons?

I've wanted the same as soon as we came down from the prem, personally I think we took to long to sell off players like Marshall and shouldn’t have reinvested under Ole like we did. But I do think now the club going forward seem to be reducing the debt and investing at the right times so i'm pleased.

Luke,

This comes up time and time again by you but u never back it up?

I never ask Tan to spend.

All I do is say who Warnock wants and talk about players, posditions etc

But I never ever put demands on Tan to spend.

I have said if Tan wants his money back the only way would be promoted to the Prem League, but that’s down to him.

Annis show me where I have said this before to you? I don't ever remember saying it?

Luke, first show me where I ask Tan to spend money? ? ?

You started the accusation.

youve always said the club should back Warnock come on annis you cant have it both ways ,you want the debt to come down but want tan to spend his money:lol: this can go in the whoppers thread

[Forever Blue]

Wez
youve always said the club should back Warnock come on annis you cant have it both ways ,you want the debt to come down but want tan to spend his money:lol: this can go in the whoppers thread [/quote]


Lets see my exact words Wez please? ?

[JimmyJazz]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

[maccydee]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

[grange_end1927]

8% interest charged on loans made by one of Dalmans companies

[Forever Blue]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

[maccydee]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

[Forever Blue]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

Neil, even you have to admit after 8 years and still losing money, shows how bad Tan has run our club, 8 years is a long time, at most 4 years to sort out the club,but instead he put us further in debt.

6 CEO'S & 8 MANAGERS SAYS IT ALL & OF COURSE A COSTLY REBRAND.

The Debt should be coming down, not up.

[wez1927]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

Neil, even you have to admit after 8 years and still losing money, shows how bad Tan has run our club, 8 years is a long time, at most 4 years to sort out the club,but instead he put us further in debt.

6 CEO'S & 8 MANAGERS SAYS IT ALL & OF COURSE A COSTLY REBRAND.

The Debt should be coming down, not up.

Zzzzzzzzzzz you're getting boring now annis most championship clubs lose money,give it a rest most people have moved on from the tan bashing

[Forever Blue]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

Neil, even you have to admit after 8 years and still losing money, shows how bad Tan has run our club, 8 years is a long time, at most 4 years to sort out the club,but instead he put us further in debt.

6 CEO'S & 8 MANAGERS SAYS IT ALL & OF COURSE A COSTLY REBRAND.

The Debt should be coming down, not up.

Zzzzzzzzzzz you're getting boring now annis most championship clubs lose money,give it a rest most people have moved on from the tan bashing

Its in this weeks news Wez, Media Wales have put it out, so its the latest news.

But the fact is there, instead of our debt going down,its now increasing, not good at all.

[wez1927]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

Neil, even you have to admit after 8 years and still losing money, shows how bad Tan has run our club, 8 years is a long time, at most 4 years to sort out the club,but instead he put us further in debt.

6 CEO'S & 8 MANAGERS SAYS IT ALL & OF COURSE A COSTLY REBRAND.

The Debt should be coming down, not up.

Zzzzzzzzzzz you're getting boring now annis most championship clubs lose money,give it a rest most people have moved on from the tan bashing

Its in this weeks news Wez, Media Wales have put it out, so its the latest news.

But the fact is there, instead of our debt going down,its now increasing, not good at all.

It's in the news but you're bashing the club once again like normal, we are lossing money just like before the current owners did ,without selling our players and bigger crowds how is the debt going to come down ?

[Forever Blue]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

Neil, even you have to admit after 8 years and still losing money, shows how bad Tan has run our club, 8 years is a long time, at most 4 years to sort out the club,but instead he put us further in debt.

6 CEO'S & 8 MANAGERS SAYS IT ALL & OF COURSE A COSTLY REBRAND.

The Debt should be coming down, not up.

Zzzzzzzzzzz you're getting boring now annis most championship clubs lose money,give it a rest most people have moved on from the tan bashing

Its in this weeks news Wez, Media Wales have put it out, so its the latest news.

But the fact is there, instead of our debt going down,its now increasing, not good at all.

It's in the news but you're bashing the club once again like normal, we are lossing money just like before the current owners did ,without selling our players and bigger crowds how is the debt going to come down ?

100% Not our club Wez, I praise them daily for the way they have tried to get our fans to return

Yes I bash Tan, but not hard enough

[maccydee]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

Neil, even you have to admit after 8 years and still losing money, shows how bad Tan has run our club, 8 years is a long time, at most 4 years to sort out the club,but instead he put us further in debt.

6 CEO'S & 8 MANAGERS SAYS IT ALL & OF COURSE A COSTLY REBRAND.

The Debt should be coming down, not up.

[Bluesman]

Don't watch BBC as they are biased against Cardiff City. I have complained to them before about them not showing our highlights. BBC are Swansea fans.

[2blue2handle]

What owner have we had that has brought debt down?

All in recent years just seem to keep adding and adding to the debt until they wouldn't afford it anymore.

[wez1927]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

Neil, even you have to admit after 8 years and still losing money, shows how bad Tan has run our club, 8 years is a long time, at most 4 years to sort out the club,but instead he put us further in debt.

6 CEO'S & 8 MANAGERS SAYS IT ALL & OF COURSE A COSTLY REBRAND.

The Debt should be coming down, not up.

[Forever Blue]

Back on the subject in hand instead of another merry-go-round of he said/she said/we said...

Excellent article from Keith Morgan here on the Trust website:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=5045

Excellent write up.

Tan again writing off interest.

But Debt increasing not going down.

Because we are still losing money. As we have been since well before Tan took us over. Thankfully we have someone who can afford to pay our bills which is why we aren’t in court every month.

Neil, even you have to admit after 8 years and still losing money, shows how bad Tan has run our club, 8 years is a long time, at most 4 years to sort out the club,but instead he put us further in debt.

6 CEO'S & 8 MANAGERS SAYS IT ALL & OF COURSE A COSTLY REBRAND.

The Debt should be coming down, not up.

Neil, I prefer Burger King than McDonalds any day

But u never admit or agree when I show you facts.