“ Have you forgiven Vincent Tan? “

I think of it like this and ask this question has Tan done more good than bad in his time to date? For me the rebrand stripped the club of its identity and caused well documented problems with supporters the like of which I would never have thought ever possible

We did get to the premier league which ended in disaster after many years of knocking on the door

However we did expand our infrastructure in terms of the new stand and training facilities and if we ever get back to the PL these facilities will make it possible to sustain a more fruitful campaign which will of course require the supporters to come back in large numbers

So for me the only way we are going to progress is to bury the hatchet and move on together and until we do we are not going anywhere fast

As l don’t go down anymore then l guess l wold have to say no,but is he entirely to blame for my non attendance then that would be no also as there are many reasons for my decision

When did you stop going out of interest?

putting the rebrand to one side (which i don't forgive him for), how many owners do 'laps of honour'? pretty much only tan. i don't want an owner who wants attention and craves the fans chanting his name. he knows next to nothing about football, which is fine if he leaves footballing matters to football people, but instead he has made key footballing decisions which have cost the club huge amounts of money.

in short, he is not a fit and proper person to run a club.

Two owners ago we had Sam Hamamm walking round the pitch and fans singing that we wanted it so don’t be a dozy so and so

Adding to that he had football people making his decisions (Malky) and look what happened there?

You are a tool

I voted yes.

so its 3 to 1 voted yes...lots of passionate views on both sides which is only to be expected...my personal view is yes but taking all things into account i would rather have tan as owner than the american white sox.

so its 3 to 1 voted yes...lots of passionate views on both sides which is only to be expected...my personal view is yes but taking all things into account i would rather have tan as owner than the american white sox.

Unless it's Robert Kraft

It was a poor commercial decision, although the argument may have different had we stayed in the premier league, we didn’t we are back in blue so it really is time to move on. It’s been done to death and there was a lot of friction and infighting over what was differing opinions. Of course the thing with opinions is apparently we are all entitled to have them, so long as we all agree with certain people otherwise it’s a disgrace.

Why, when things have moved on so much do we need to reflect on this? It has been done for a few seasons now, so let it go. In my opinion, feel free to disagree, we can’t change what was done. It’s history and we can’t change it, so it doesn’t matter
now about protests and who did and didn’t do what.

For those that can’t move on I do feel sorry for you, as you are missing out but I respect your stance.

No. His total disregard for us fans who have been here a long time before him was disgusting, along with the disrespect he showed our traditions and identity. I wouldn’t abuse him because we don’t need the negativity around the ground but I’d much prefer it if he stayed away.

No. His total disregard for us fans who have been here a long time before him was disgusting, along with the disrespect he showed our traditions and identity. I wouldn’t abuse him because we don’t need the negativity around the ground but I’d much prefer it if he stayed away.

As l don’t go down anymore then l guess l wold have to say no,but is he entirely to blame for my non attendance then that would be no also as there are many reasons for my decision

When did you stop going out of interest?

To be honest without looking at the fixture list l couldn’t honestly say but l saw just one game in the promotion season that was the game we secured promotion And bought a last minute season ticket for the season in the premier but didn’t see the season out and l haven’t been since.

Can't say I have forgiven him or hold a grudge against him. I don't tend to give him a lot of thought. What's done is done and not much point in me dwelling on the past, nothing will change what happened. We are blue now and I hope one day I will see us play at the top level. I am not stupid enough not to acknowledge that without Tan this club could be in a right mess, and possibly even may have folded. I've said before, we usually know just how good a club owner was when he has left the club. He may go down in history as one of our best owners, or could end up leaving us in a bigger mess than when he arrived. Time will tell.

I hated every minute as a fan i went to gamea to support the team not Tan.

I found it hard as i couldn't even look at them in that red kit.

The worst time wasnt even Tan it was are own fans for which a fast majority all waved free red there free red scarfs.
Seen us in bad positions as a club but in my almost 40 years as a fan that was my worst.

People exepted red for 100 mill and people looked at me like i was the wrong one.
All the followers who follow people followed until the die hards worked very hard to swing things back around.

I have now moved on and I forgive Tan and those fans who i did except there view but wasnt happy about it i thought cardiff city fans were bigger and better but thats all gone.

Life is to short i forgive but won't forget it all.

I hated every minute as a fan i went to gamea to support the team not Tan.

I found it hard as i couldn't even look at them in that red kit.

The worst time wasnt even Tan it was are own fans for which a fast majority all waved free red there free red scarfs.
Seen us in bad positions as a club but in my almost 40 years as a fan that was my worst.

People exepted red for 100 mill and people looked at me like i was the wrong one.
All the followers who follow people followed until the die hards worked very hard to swing things back around.

I have now moved on and I forgive Tan and those fans who i did except there view but wasnt happy about it i thought cardiff city fans were bigger and better but thats all gone.

Life is to short i forgive but won't forget it all.

Respect for that. It took a lot and no one should forget; only move on!

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

I'll start by saying I voted 'Yes' in the absence of a 'Have you simply decided to let it go and move on?' option

Lots of water under the bridge and whilst I'd not use the word 'forgive' (that would be to totally diss the damage that was undeniably done at the time) it is gone, the club has started to stabilise, the owner appears to have learned, the management/coaching team are as good as we've had for a long time and (most of) the fans have moved on in an effort to move forward rather than look backward

Exciting times ahead from Cardiff City FC and that's where our focus should be!

I agree

Did he murder or rape anyone? No ..... at the end of the day football is only a game and there`s more to life than hating someone forever for changing the colour of a football jersey. Life moves on!

Did he murder or rape anyone? No ..... at the end of the day football is only a game and there`s more to life than hating someone forever for changing the colour of a football jersey. Life moves on!

What did the great Brian Clough say?

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

Did he murder or rape anyone? No ..... at the end of the day football is only a game and there`s more to life than hating someone forever for changing the colour of a football jersey. Life moves on!

You're right and he changed the shirt colour TWICE...once to sooth his own ego and once in (what was for him) a massive climb down (regardless of the underlying 'business' reasons)

It took some balls (or maybe his mother's advice ) to do that but the fact is that he did it and surely that is what counts?

A pretty magnanimous gesture to 'climb down' and one a few stubbornly entrenched City fans could do with copying

Did he murder or rape anyone? No ..... at the end of the day football is only a game and there`s more to life than hating someone forever for changing the colour of a football jersey. Life moves on!

You're right and he changed the shirt colour TWICE...once to sooth his own ego and once in (what was for him) a massive climb down (regardless of the underlying 'business' reasons)

It took some balls (or maybe his mother's advice ) to do that but the fact is that he did it and surely that is what counts?

A pretty magnanimous gesture to 'climb down' and one a few stubbornly entrenched City fans could do with copying

He did it because he had no choice unless he wanted to see his business hit rock bottom. Why can't people like you Sven see that?

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.

Did he murder or rape anyone? No ..... at the end of the day football is only a game and there`s more to life than hating someone forever for changing the colour of a football jersey. Life moves on!

You're right and he changed the shirt colour TWICE...once to sooth his own ego and once in (what was for him) a massive climb down (regardless of the underlying 'business' reasons)

It took some balls (or maybe his mother's advice ) to do that but the fact is that he did it and surely that is what counts?

A pretty magnanimous gesture to 'climb down' and one a few stubbornly entrenched City fans could do with copying

He did it because he had no choice unless he wanted to see his business hit rock bottom. Why can't people like you Sven see that?

I affirmed that in my post, i.e. (quote) "(what was for him) a massive climb down (regardless of the underlying 'business' reasons)"

My point is that it's gone, been rectified and it's well past the time to move on or some people (not necessarily you) will be consumed with bitterness for years to come. Life really is too short!

Did he murder or rape anyone? No ..... at the end of the day football is only a game and there`s more to life than hating someone forever for changing the colour of a football jersey. Life moves on!

You're right and he changed the shirt colour TWICE...once to sooth his own ego and once in (what was for him) a massive climb down (regardless of the underlying 'business' reasons)

It took some balls (or maybe his mother's advice ) to do that but the fact is that he did it and surely that is what counts?

A pretty magnanimous gesture to 'climb down' and one a few stubbornly entrenched City fans could do with copying

He did it because he had no choice unless he wanted to see his business hit rock bottom. Why can't people like you Sven see that?

I affirmed that in my post, i.e. (quote) "(what was for him) a massive climb down (regardless of the underlying 'business' reasons)"

My point is that it's gone, been rectified and it's well past the time to move on or some people (not necessarily you) will be consumed with bitterness for years to come. Life really is too short!

Unfortunately for quite a few of us he has not removed it all.

The constant reminder is there with those red seats and wiggly worm on the badge.

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.

i didnt need a reminder, the lights were partially put out on 0,0001% of our crowd .and yes it was interupted by lights flickering not noise.
as for the red brigade , the truth is i saw intimidation both ways. including an old fella at the end of the Brighton game being confronted and shoved by a boy in his 20s..the old fella had a red free scarf around his neck and shoulders but a blue one not so visible tucked into his coat.he was visbilbly shaken, threw both scarves to the floor and shouted sod this never again.{one of many minor incidents mostly at away games }.lets not pretend the bullying was just the one way
but anyway..the red has gone...the red brigade {if it ever existed } gone...all that remains are the toxic avengers..
and at this point in time id love to see a poll...who is doing the most damage...VT or the toxic avengers not that youd pay any attention to the result.

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.

i didnt need a reminder, the lights were partially put out on 0,0001% of our crowd .and yes it was interupted by lights flickering not noise.
as for the red brigade , the truth is i saw intimidation both ways. including an old fella at the end of the Brighton game being confronted and shoved by a boy in his 20s..the old fella had a red free scarf around his neck and shoulders but a blue one not so visible tucked into his coat.he was visbilbly shaken, threw both scarves to the floor and shouted sod this never again.{one of many minor incidents mostly at away games }.lets not pretend the bullying was just the one way
but anyway..the red has gone...the red brigade {if it ever existed } gone...all that remains are the toxic avengers..
and at this point in time id love to see a poll...who is doing the most damage...VT or the toxic avengers not that youd pay any attention to the result.

yes I am quite aware of the poll and if it anything ot go by I would say 20% of the people that are still disgruntled after all this time is something to take seriously.

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.

i didnt need a reminder, the lights were partially put out on 0,0001% of our crowd .and yes it was interupted by lights flickering not noise.
as for the red brigade , the truth is i saw intimidation both ways. including an old fella at the end of the Brighton game being confronted and shoved by a boy in his 20s..the old fella had a red free scarf around his neck and shoulders but a blue one not so visible tucked into his coat.he was visbilbly shaken, threw both scarves to the floor and shouted sod this never again.{one of many minor incidents mostly at away games }.lets not pretend the bullying was just the one way
but anyway..the red has gone...the red brigade {if it ever existed } gone...all that remains are the toxic avengers..
and at this point in time id love to see a poll...who is doing the most damage...VT or the toxic avengers not that youd pay any attention to the result.

Toxic Avengers doing far more damage.

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.

i didnt need a reminder, the lights were partially put out on 0,0001% of our crowd .and yes it was interupted by lights flickering not noise.
as for the red brigade , the truth is i saw intimidation both ways. including an old fella at the end of the Brighton game being confronted and shoved by a boy in his 20s..the old fella had a red free scarf around his neck and shoulders but a blue one not so visible tucked into his coat.he was visbilbly shaken, threw both scarves to the floor and shouted sod this never again.{one of many minor incidents mostly at away games }.lets not pretend the bullying was just the one way
but anyway..the red has gone...the red brigade {if it ever existed } gone...all that remains are the toxic avengers..
and at this point in time id love to see a poll...who is doing the most damage...VT or the toxic avengers not that youd pay any attention to the result.

Toxic Avengers doing far more damage.

100% mate..
there is no red brigade insisting on wearing red and singing we will always be red....even VT turns up in Blue.
there is absolutely zero resistance to playing in Blue...but on they go...red seats ..debt { providing the transfer window isnt open }..wanting individual personal appologies .not wanting promotion while Tan is here .and best of the lot..he should be getting death threats....bonkers doesnt begin to describe it....but if i had stopped over the toxic atmosphere which i believe many did 2 years after the rebrand ,i doubt id be in a rush to come back reading this rubbish .