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Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:47 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Healy only to do it for about 15mins though, HUGE difference.


That's 15 minutes more than what Zohore managed.

Look, if I could see Zohore battling away, even if it was just for the first 15 minutes and then he tired, I wouldn't be criticising him. I did my post because I was annoyed that to me, Zohore put in no effort at all.

Like I said, if a player has a poor game but I can see he still tried, he gets my support. If a player isn't fit to last the full game but gives his all until he tires, he gets my support.

I think Zohore was just as fresh when he got subbed to when he started the game with the lack of effort he put in yesterday. Last night, I felt I watched the old Zohore, before Warnock came in and transformed him. Warnock needs to do that again.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:56 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:Healy only to do it for about 15mins though, HUGE difference.


That's 15 minutes more than what Zohore managed.

Look, if I could see Zohore battling away, even if it was just for the first 15 minutes and then he tired, I wouldn't be criticising him. I did my post because I was annoyed that to me, Zohore put in no effort at all.

Like I said, if a player has a poor game but I can see he still tried, he gets my support. If a player isn't fit to last the full game but gives his all until he tires, he gets my support.

I think Zohore was just as fresh when he got subbed to when he started the game with the lack of effort he put in yesterday. Last night, I felt I watched the old Zohore, before Warnock came in and transformed him. Warnock needs to do that again.


Obviously though Zohore knew he has to save his energy as he was going to be on for the majority of the game. Healy knew he could run himself into the ground as he only had to do it for 15mins.

To single him out to me is totally unfair.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:44 pm

He has gone backwards to player he was before Warnock arrived and gave him a big kick up the ass, needs another kicking :bluescarf:

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:25 pm

bluespeers wrote:He has gone backwards to player he was before Warnock arrived and gave him a big kick up the ass, needs another kicking :bluescarf:


Backwards as a player?

Did you see his goal v Fulham?

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:47 pm

maccydee wrote:
bluespeers wrote:He has gone backwards to player he was before Warnock arrived and gave him a big kick up the ass, needs another kicking :bluescarf:


Backwards as a player?

Did you see his goal v Fulham?


Neil, Ross has backed himself into a corner and rather than admit he's got it wrong, he feels he has to defend his corner. None of us can always be correct (strewth, I even said to the guy next to me last night that we could do with a Ledley-like midfielder Ralls running off him!) and the final proof of that was comparing 15 minutes of Healey to the 75 minutes put in by an equally match-fitness seeking Kenneth Zohore!

One bad week and this Forum goes into meltdown and all kinds of negativity ensues! :roll:

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:13 pm

Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
bluespeers wrote:He has gone backwards to player he was before Warnock arrived and gave him a big kick up the ass, needs another kicking :bluescarf:


Backwards as a player?

Did you see his goal v Fulham?


Neil, Ross has backed himself into a corner and rather than admit he's got it wrong, he feels he has to defend his corner. None of us can always be correct (strewth, I even said to the guy next to me last night that we could do with a Ledley-like midfielder Ralls running off him!) and the final proof of that was comparing 15 minutes of Healey to the 75 minutes put in by an equally match-fitness seeking Kenneth Zohore!

One bad week and this Forum goes into meltdown and all kinds of negativity ensues! :roll:


Ledley had higher than a 6.85 today.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:17 pm

Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
bluespeers wrote:He has gone backwards to player he was before Warnock arrived and gave him a big kick up the ass, needs another kicking :bluescarf:


Backwards as a player?

Did you see his goal v Fulham?


Neil, Ross has backed himself into a corner and rather than admit he's got it wrong, he feels he has to defend his corner. None of us can always be correct (strewth, I even said to the guy next to me last night that we could do with a Ledley-like midfielder Ralls running off him!) and the final proof of that was comparing 15 minutes of Healey to the 75 minutes put in by an equally match-fitness seeking Kenneth Zohore!

One bad week and this Forum goes into meltdown and all kinds of negativity ensues! :roll:


Why do you think I've got it wrong? Zohore coasted through the game until he was subbed. Healey gave it everything when he came on. The time they were both on the pitch makes no difference. It's all about the players attitudes.

I totally understand players conserving their energy when required, but when a ball is played up to a target man, I would expect him to at least get his body in the way to TRY and protect the ball, or at least jostle with the defender to put him off and NOT allow him to freely header the ball back down our throats to continually put our team back on the back foot.

It doesn't require match fitness to have the desire to battle with a centre back when required. Zohore made no effort to compete for most of the balls played up to him last night and the ball kept coming straight back, which is why we spent the majority of the game trying to contain a very decent Preston team coming at us.

I don't think I'm wrong or being harsh at all. I give my opinion on how I see things. I thought some of our other players were poor last night but they didn't play poorly because of a lack of effort. Mendez-Laing has lost his explosiveness and confidence at the moment because he's just coming back from a long injury for example, but he still covered enough ground and did his best.

Like I said, if a player plays poorly but gives his all, I won't criticise, but there is no excuse for a complete lack of effort and Zohore definitely didn't pull his weight last night in my opinion, which is why I decided to do this post. Let's just agree to disagree.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:40 pm

Zohore is looking totally switched off and offering us nothing.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:47 pm

We need a striker asap before it's too late...he certainly don't deserve to be in the line up.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:01 pm

I've said quite a few times that I think he is over rated. One brief period of a few months where he could do no wrong is virtually all he has done in his career. Personally, I would have taken the money that was reportedly on offer earlier this year. I doubt if we will get that sort of offer again, assuming the amounts thrown around back then were accurate. I have never for a moment believed he is much more than a 10 goal a season striker, and while he has proved that he can be a tidy enough player, yesterday is not the first time he has ambled through a game as if his mind was somewhere else.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:13 pm

bluespeers wrote:He has gone backwards to player he was before Warnock arrived and gave him a big kick up the ass, needs another kicking :bluescarf:


I'm laughing at your post here actually laughing out loud.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:14 pm

Cantonblu wrote:We need a striker asap before it's too late...he certainly don't deserve to be in the line up.


He's just comeback from long term Injury what were you expecting 2 hat tricks??

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:47 pm

Sven wrote:Ross, sorry but you're as wide of the post here as a Jazz Richards snap shot! :(

Kenneth Zohore needs (a) to get 'match fit' and (b) to be fed during games. Cannot possibly do it all on his own and the players around him (the rested Junior Hoillet apart) have simply gone off the build due to the number of games they are expected to play in a physically tough style of football whilst others remain on the treatment table

I don't blame the players or the manager, as I feel both have worked miracles in keeping us at or near the top and (for me at least) it all augs well for the remainder of the season if we can get some/most of them back plus a few newbies

Keep the faith. We haven't really become a bad side over Xmas! :ayatollah:

Top post Chris. Totally agree with all that.
Be interesting to see what we’re like nearly a fortnight after the QPR game. New players, rested players, some injuries sorted.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:49 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Healy only to do it for about 15mins though, HUGE difference.

Good point.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:02 am

Maybe Warnock said to him don't worry about pressuring and chasing too much, to keep his energy.

He did try, all of our players did try, maybe there was a lack of effort but there was still effort there, I thought Mendez was poor but he still put effort in, late on he was back in our box stopping their winger breaking through.

I remember Zohore trying to run past one of prestons players in the midfield, taking a heavy touch and fouling their player. He took a ball on his chest one touch and flicked it on to tomlin, straight away he was of running to get into the box trying to get on the end of a potential pass. Preston had a corner, he was back helping to defend, Etheridge gets the ball and hits it long to Healey, who did well to knock it on to Hoilett, he takes a few touches and passes to Mendez the ball then goes to Zohore, he plays it into Healey and ran into the box probably looking for the return pass, Rhys loses it and Zohore straight away won it back and knocked it to Ralls.

I wasn't at the game last night unfortunately, due to being ill, so I could only see what was on my television, my point is in all those examples he tried and he put effort into what he did. There was a lack of quality last night but there was definitely effort.

If there wasn't effort from Zohore, Feeney, Damour or anyone on the pitch then warnock would have said that there wasn't without naming names and from what I heard from him after the match I dont remember him saying that at all.

To say Ken didn't ' TRY at all ' in my opinion is completely unfair.

Re: Zohore

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:41 am

langstoneBlue wrote:Didn't have his best game, but don't think he was any worst than the other 10 players last night. He played some lovely passes twice putting players through Tonkin the first who just had no pace to do anything when set free and Mendez Laing who I think fell over. As I said not his best game but certainty not as bad to be singled out from a poor team display. I would argue Damour and Patterson for 2 who did even less than Ken



congratulations...your the only one to point out that had NML made more of the ball played...or Tomlin was fit..we just might have wrapped the game up and the story would be..everything went through Zohore....they were our 2 best creative moments..and better than anything on form Preston created.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:48 am

I cant believe Zohore has been singled out when, yet again, Mendez Laing has been garbage. Feeney should have stayed on and NML subbed.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:51 am

why not blame the r d shirts, Tan and the drum as well ?

They were all crap...it happens.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:55 am

Cantonblu wrote:Zohore is looking totally switched off and offering us nothing.


He’s only been back for 5 minutes ffs

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:59 am

PtB wrote:
Cantonblu wrote:Zohore is looking totally switched off and offering us nothing.


He’s only been back for 5 minutes ffs



and probably rushed back a bit soon due to our injury situation,....Warnock said how eager KZ was to get back while also sayng he thought it would be in the new year..

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:08 am

dogfound wrote:
PtB wrote:
Cantonblu wrote:Zohore is looking totally switched off and offering us nothing.


He’s only been back for 5 minutes ffs



and probably rushed back a bit soon due to our injury situation,....Warnock said how eager KZ was to get back while also sayng he thought it would be in the new year..

Exactly! Don’t be taking too much sense though!!

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:25 am

Ain’t gonna jump on this because Zohore was supposedly meant to be back for new year for the Mansfield game so feel like he’s been rushed into these games where Healey has more rest time and chance to catch up.

Only player who looked like they had a slight idea of what to do was Feeney, put crosses in and had the beating of his man several times.. NML on the other hand..

I feel like Ralls has improved a lot under Warnock but he still a average player for me.. especially when this bloke was meant to be carrying the traits Whittingham had, Ralls can’t pass, he’s got shocking delivery from corners..

Did anyone notice Tomlin coming deep a few times in parts of the game, I felt sorry for him at times in the game. Driving us forward by himself when we managed to get the ball into his feet, was gutted when he came off because I felt like we was the ones who could have got the 1-0 not Preston.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:45 am

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:' Kenneth Zohore '

Because the one player we rely on with our game plan to make himself available, receive the ball, hold it up, take some pressure off and link the play to allow our midfield to get further forward up the pitch, didn't TRY at all!


All the blame on one player really? The same player that has been injured during all the wins we have had...

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:' Kenneth Zohore '
we are desperately missing Gunnarsson

Yes we are. Hopefully we can strengthen there in the next month

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:51 am

DandoCCFC wrote:
Only player who looked like they had a slight idea of what to do was Feeney


Adding kindling to the fire there, dont you know he's not a fans favourite so can only be criticised :)

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:05 am

Cantonblu wrote:Zohore is looking totally switched off and offering us nothing.



He created some of the only goal scoring opportunities in the game. The whole team was shit ffs why pick on one player!

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:58 am

nubbsy wrote:
Cantonblu wrote:Zohore is looking totally switched off and offering us nothing.



He created some of the only goal scoring opportunities in the game. The whole team was shit ffs why pick on one player!




yes picking someone to slaughter when both teams were so poor is a bit strange..
but apparently playing a slightly built kid with next to no experience instead of a much bigger {12 million pound rated } striker who scored a cracker a few days before as your target man..and replacing our keeper with the current 3rd choice who hasnt played for a year is THE answer..
maybe it is THE answer to the crowds though because id find it difficult to watch games within earshot of this drivle.

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:39 am

maccydee wrote:
bluespeers wrote:He has gone backwards to player he was before Warnock arrived and gave him a big kick up the ass, needs another kicking :bluescarf:


Backwards as a player?

Did you see his goal v Fulham?


Yes i did and a great strike it was however a match lasts for 90 minutes plus injury time as well you know, and Zohore hasn't been putting a shift in, Yes i agree with a lot of the comments that he may not be match fit but for me there were aeveral 50/50 balls and he just wasn't up for it.
Maybe put him sub and come on to change the game but for me he not the Zohore that finished last season. One thing for sure though we need the Zohore to get back to his best and start banging in the goals again :bluescarf: :ayatollah:

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:45 am

WelshPatriot wrote:
bluespeers wrote:He has gone backwards to player he was before Warnock arrived and gave him a big kick up the ass, needs another kicking :bluescarf:


I'm laughing at your post here actually laughing out loud.


Glad i made someone laugh after watching such a pile of shit on Friday :bluescarf:

PS

I have read loads of your posts kettle/Black :bluescarf:

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:50 am

WelshPatriot wrote:
Cantonblu wrote:We need a striker asap before it's too late...he certainly don't deserve to be in the line up.


He's just comeback from long term Injury what were you expecting 2 hat tricks??



No just wantto see a bit of effort shown from him , seriously no one is writting him off but if he is not fit he shouldn't start, come on as a sub as an impact sub and get fitter. :ayatollah:

Re: ' Kenneth Zohore '

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:57 am

nubbsy wrote:
Cantonblu wrote:Zohore is looking totally switched off and offering us nothing.



He created some of the only goal scoring opportunities in the game. The whole team was shit ffs why pick on one player!



This post was about Zohore, and i and others have given opinions on his performance, i for one am blaming Zohore for our defeats as a team we have been very poor of late creating very little. Bluebirds fans appreciate it when our players give 100% Zohore isn't which may be down to several reasons mainly he is not fit to start. :bluescarf: :ayatollah: