SO THIS IS THE AWAY SUPPORT THEY TAKE AWAY AFTER YEARS & YRS

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

Out of curiosity,if we swapped with the jacks,how many Cardiff fans would be there??

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

its actually a fact 33rd in all time attendances and all the clubs above us have played in the top tier more than us...
im sorry its a fact but it is...
http://www.englishfootballleaguetables. ... gate.htm...

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

its actually a fact 33rd in all time attendances and all the clubs above us have played in the top tier more than us...
im sorry its a fact but it is...
http://www.englishfootballleaguetables. ... gate.htm...

Nothing there?

http://www.englishfootballleaguetables. ... egate.html

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

1.Their support has always been crap 2.The game was monday night fella not tuesday

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

1.Their support has always been crap 2.The game was monday night fella not tuesday

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

1.Their support has always been crap 2.The game was monday night fella not tuesday

well spotted...

btw i think your finger might be stuck on the send key..

http://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/stats/totalavegate.html

I will say it again

Pompey,Leeds,Villa,Sheffield United,Sheffield Wednesday, Bradford Ciy, etc etc not had years of glory(recently) and had bad times now for years, in fact they have had worse times than us recently and they've recently been in lower divisions.


Out of curiosity does this include the Old First Division?

Also the other day, I posted on here showing the last 15 years regarding the Top 14 clubs home crowds and many had had way worse years than us.

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

1.Their support has always been crap 2.The game was monday night fella not tuesday

well spotted...

btw i think your finger might be stuck on the send key..

Well spotted fella thought id post it twice seeing as you gets a bit confused lol

That's shit support they should have taken around a 1000 easily

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

1.Their support has always been crap 2.The game was monday night fella not tuesday

well spotted...

btw i think your finger might be stuck on the send key..

Well spotted fella thought id post it twice seeing as you gets a bit confused lol

excuse accepted.. ....fella

Funny then isn't it? 9 of the top 10 supported clubs in this years championship are the clubs who have spent the most seasons in the top division.

Maybe their fans are boycotting because of the Americans?

Haven’t had many Jacks on here recently to ask.

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

We lost 10500 season ticket holders. 3950 of them were due to Tan were they not (the other 50 left at the point of rebrand).

Funny then isn't it? 9 of the top 10 supported clubs in this years championship are the clubs who have spent the most seasons in the top division.

We can twist which ever way we want to about our crowds.

For the 50th time.

The fact is, We are unbeaten at home, Top 3 for 5 months, Cheap tickets, in fact nearly every other game virtually giving them away, 17 years not relegated from the Championship, 4 Wembley appearances, Millenium appearance, Champions, Cup Finalists, 3 promotions, New Stadium etc etc

Our Club Deserves far better Support, WELL NEIL WARNOCK & THE PLAYERS DO

And not just for Boxing Day,every club packs out that day.

Costing fans as little as £2.50p (Under 16's) a game from now on.

For the second-half of the Season it should be 25,000 every home game.



" NO MORE EXCUSES END OFF "

http://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/stats/totalavegate.html

I will say it again

Pompey,Leeds,Villa,Sheffield United,Sheffield Wednesday, Bradford Ciy, etc etc not had years of glory(recently) and had bad times now for years, in fact they have had worse times than us recently and they've recently been in lower divisions.


Out of curiosity does this include the Old First Division?

Also the other day, I posted on here showing the last 15 years regarding the Top 14 clubs home crowds and many had had way worse years than us.

its all time so yes..but it seems a bit more than a coincidence.
i dont think 15 years is near long enough to judge on ...our fans ALL know what happened in 1927...we have had flags t shirts all sorts to remember it..a statue for something that happened before any of us were thought of.and you yourself beat the history /tradition drum as loud as anyone..you werent talking about a convienient 15 year period were you.?

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

We lost 10500 season ticket holders. 3950 of them were due to Tan were they not (the other 50 left at the point of rebrand).

Neil, Which one were you?

http://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/stats/totalavegate.html

I will say it again

Pompey,Leeds,Villa,Sheffield United,Sheffield Wednesday, Bradford Ciy, etc etc not had years of glory(recently) and had bad times now for years, in fact they have had worse times than us recently and they've recently been in lower divisions.


Out of curiosity does this include the Old First Division?

Also the other day, I posted on here showing the last 15 years regarding the Top 14 clubs home crowds and many had had way worse years than us.

its all time so yes..but it seems a bit more than a coincidence.
i dont think 15 years is near long enough to judge on ...our fans ALL know what happened in 1927...we have had flags t shirts all sorts to remember it..a statue for something that happened before any of us were thought of.and you yourself beat the history /tradition drum as loud as anyone..you werent talking about a convienient 15 year period were you.?

Jacks have just had 8 years in the Premier League & still there, this is a recent example, where's their bigger support?

180 Jacks away watching Swansea away at Everton.

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Dogfound

As you keep finding excuses. (101 so far on this forum)
Would rather just honesty, our support over all has let Neil Warnock & Co down.

A question for you, how come current Div 4 clubs( League 2) Lincoln,Luton and Coventry away supports are only a couple of hundred less than our average away supports?

Please explain that one and rem two of those clubs have even been in the Non Leagues very recently.


Rem I will never give up when its to do with crowds on any club


Rem in recent seasons, I have been away with City and there has only been 89,110, 120 fans at some away games, not many clubs go that low

Burnley next

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

We lost 10500 season ticket holders. 3950 of them were due to Tan were they not (the other 50 left at the point of rebrand).

Neil, Which one were you?

I stopped watching them semi regularly after the 11th game of not seeing them score let alone win including our last game at Ninian Park.

Moving to Cyprus did for me. Much like moving to Spain has done for you watching them regularly. Does that stop you from being allowed an opinion?

Much like Ian when you lose the argument you chuck that one in.

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

We lost 10500 season ticket holders. 3950 of them were due to Tan were they not (the other 50 left at the point of rebrand).

Neil, Which one were you?

I stopped watching them semi regularly after the 11th game of not seeing them score let alone win including our last game at Ninian Park.

Moving to Cyprus did for me. Much like moving to Spain has done for you watching them regularly. Does that stop you from being allowed an opinion?

Much like Ian when you lose the argument you chuck that one in.

Everyone is allowed an opinion, never stopped anyone in fact I welcome them, more the merrier.
And if you rem, I actually wanted you come back on here

I've not chucked any argument in, Def would never regarding crowds

You keep saying hardly any Fans did not stop because of Tan, I totally disagree, as I know hundreds my self personally. What happened was thousands upon thousands of Glory hunters replaced them.

Its showing now in our away support and it did at Burnley away big time.

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

We lost 10500 season ticket holders. 3950 of them were due to Tan were they not (the other 50 left at the point of rebrand).

Neil, Which one were you?

I stopped watching them semi regularly after the 11th game of not seeing them score let alone win including our last game at Ninian Park.

Moving to Cyprus did for me. Much like moving to Spain has done for you watching them regularly. Does that stop you from being allowed an opinion?

Much like Ian when you lose the argument you chuck that one in.

Everyone is allowed an opinion, never stopped anyone in fact I welcome them, more the merrier.
And if you rem, I actually wanted you come back on here

I've not chucked any argument in, Def would never regarding crowds

You keep saying hardly any Fans did not stop because of Tan, I totally disagree, as I know hundreds my self personally. What happened was thousands upon thousands of Glory hunters replaced them.

Its showing now in our away support and it did at Burnley away big time.

Please answer one question for me Annis. How many people do you know who stopped going to the City straight after the rebrand? Not a year later or two years later but literally stopped when we changed to red like TLG did?

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

We lost 10500 season ticket holders. 3950 of them were due to Tan were they not (the other 50 left at the point of rebrand).

Neil, Which one were you?

I stopped watching them semi regularly after the 11th game of not seeing them score let alone win including our last game at Ninian Park.

Moving to Cyprus did for me. Much like moving to Spain has done for you watching them regularly. Does that stop you from being allowed an opinion?

Much like Ian when you lose the argument you chuck that one in.

Everyone is allowed an opinion, never stopped anyone in fact I welcome them, more the merrier.
And if you rem, I actually wanted you come back on here

I've not chucked any argument in, Def would never regarding crowds

You keep saying hardly any Fans did not stop because of Tan, I totally disagree, as I know hundreds my self personally. What happened was thousands upon thousands of Glory hunters replaced them.

Its showing now in our away support and it did at Burnley away big time.

Please answer one question for me Annis. How many people do you know who stopped going to the City straight after the rebrand? Not a year later or two years later but literally stopped when we changed to red like TLG did?

Neil,
About 150-200 off hand, increased massively after the Red Scarf night,even I walked out and thought of never coming back, but after days of dwelling on it, I was determined not to let Tan/Red Brigade Win and Destroy our Heritage/Club/Pride, so by protesting from with in I felt that was the right way and letting it be known loud and clear etc

That is shocking but they are having a terrible season.
As we know too well, when the owners dont give a shit, the apathy spreads to the stands.

But its Premier League?

I thought many on here said if you stay in the Premier League for say 5 years, you would keep your support?
Well its 7-8 years I think? the Jacks will have been there and for me this is Shocking.

Rochdale,Carlisle,Newport,Fleetwood take more than this away

The truth is the Jacks were never ever that well supported consistently.

yes Swanseas support has always been poor...and Tuesday night was very poor..
that does not mean they have not grown their fan base at all..never seen it said you keep ALL the extra fans you get playing in the top tier, at least i havent read that.
years in the prem does 100% build support..surprised that you seem to be disputing it.
Pompey is a great example of this....very well supported at the moment....but went 35 years without having a crowd of 16k prior to reaching the prem in 2004..
also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves..

The usual suspects on here have said that the reason why so many clubs have better home & away support than us is due to the amount of years they've spent in top flight football, I also disagreed strongly as its not the same with all clubs and here's your evidence in this topic

Of course you've read it, its been put in nearly every crowd topic put on here

You get false support in the Premier League and thats what I have always said and maintained.

Its amazing when posters like yourself and a few others don't admit when I am proven right.

Once your club is in trouble or relegated from the Premier League, your crowds will dwindle beyond belief.
We lost 10,500 season ticket holders.

But there are clubs out there who have built up large loyal fan bases actually through hard times, Clubs like Pompey, Bradford, Lincoln,Bristol Rovers, Sheffield United etc etc

Why we never was our clubs fans never stayed united as one over the Rebrand and it was so divided through our clubs fault, it will take years to get that back,if ever.


And guess what you've just finished your post of by saying the same old bollox's


DOGFOUND:
"also we are 33rd in the all time attendances list...no surprises that all the 32 above us have spent more time in the top tier than ourselves.."

We lost 10500 season ticket holders. 3950 of them were due to Tan were they not (the other 50 left at the point of rebrand).

Neil, Which one were you?

I stopped watching them semi regularly after the 11th game of not seeing them score let alone win including our last game at Ninian Park.

Moving to Cyprus did for me. Much like moving to Spain has done for you watching them regularly. Does that stop you from being allowed an opinion?

Much like Ian when you lose the argument you chuck that one in.

Everyone is allowed an opinion, never stopped anyone in fact I welcome them, more the merrier.
And if you rem, I actually wanted you come back on here

I've not chucked any argument in, Def would never regarding crowds

You keep saying hardly any Fans did not stop because of Tan, I totally disagree, as I know hundreds my self personally. What happened was thousands upon thousands of Glory hunters replaced them.

Its showing now in our away support and it did at Burnley away big time.

Please answer one question for me Annis. How many people do you know who stopped going to the City straight after the rebrand? Not a year later or two years later but literally stopped when we changed to red like TLG did?

Neil,
About 150-200 off hand, increased massively after the Red Scarf night,even I walked out and thought of never coming back, but after days of dwelling on it, I was determined not to let Tan/Red Brigade Win and Destroy our Heritage/Club/Pride, so by protesting from with in I felt that was the right way and letting it be known loud and clear etc

So where do figures of 4000 come from?

Out of curiosity,if we swapped with the jacks,how many Cardiff fans would be there??

More than 180 fella i know

So where do figures of 4000 come from?[/quote]


Over the period of meetings we had, with large groups of City fans during the first year

And all the hatred that happened & in fighting/divides etc You had to be there to see it

I was at every meeting.

So where do figures of 4000 come from?

Over the period of meetings we had, with large groups of City fans during the first year

And all the hatred that happened & in fighting/divides etc You to be there to see it

I was at every meeting.[/quote]

We will have to agree to disagree mate. Never is it 4000. 150/200 is feasible.

I’m down Boxing Day so I’ll be allowed a proper opinion after that. Ha.

http://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/stats/totalavegate.html

I will say it again

Pompey,Leeds,Villa,Sheffield United,Sheffield Wednesday, Bradford Ciy, etc etc not had years of glory(recently) and had bad times now for years, in fact they have had worse times than us recently and they've recently been in lower divisions.


Out of curiosity does this include the Old First Division?

Also the other day, I posted on here showing the last 15 years regarding the Top 14 clubs home crowds and many had had way worse years than us.

its all time so yes..but it seems a bit more than a coincidence.
i dont think 15 years is near long enough to judge on ...our fans ALL know what happened in 1927...we have had flags t shirts all sorts to remember it..a statue for something that happened before any of us were thought of.and you yourself beat the history /tradition drum as loud as anyone..you werent talking about a convienient 15 year period were you.?

Jacks have just had 8 years in the Premier League & still there, this is a recent example, where's their bigger support?

180 Jacks away watching Swansea away at Everton.

no matter what topic. you can always find something that bucks the trend...
yes as previously said Swanseas away support was very poor Monday night.....but 1 single example does not in anyway outweigh years and years of facts of the opposite
or does the following example make both Arsenal and Leeds mickey mouse clubs...?
top tier game....THE Leeds fan is the one in the trilby
https://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archi ... leeds-loss