UPDATED " 4 CARDIFF & 14 VILLA FANS ARRESTED "

I very much doubt whether any of them have any issues over "taking their medicine"

My issue is that Cardiff told them to land on the pub and they even told them when to land. It wasn't even supposed to be the Cornwall to start with.

The issue is when clueless idiots start claiming they have no balls or that they are sly.

Have a good weekend too mucca.

With you on that mate as a friend of mine visited your lads when they were in the packet pub wont mention anymore on here but i know that cardiffs lads in the know and who were there well rated villa for turning up an said fair play

You're both as bad as grasses you dull sod

sense at last

And coincidentally, it is only sense once Cardiff's involvement is mentioned.

Prior to that it was the free season to dab Villa lads in it without question.

Talk about double standards.

sorry but your wrong..ive made that sort of remark regarding vids of other fans in the past.
and i havent had a dab at Villas fans on here.or anywhere else.

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

yes your correct but unless pple comment it will happen again.
and although there is nothing usable..there are plenty of direction markers.

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

People getting well ahead of themselves if they think anything they've written on this thread to date will be of any legal use! All I've seen is people (who mainly weren't there) puffing their chests out and quoting unnamed sources.

Nubbsy makes the best comment on here so far (and he was there at one point) re the consequences of 'doing your bit in defence of your mates' when the headlines just say "football hooligan". Times really have moved on since the dark days and the consequences of involvement are huge!

The police have done their job (investigated an incident) and now the CPS (not the police) will do theirs by deciding which individuals will be prosecuted and they will only take on the ones they believe they can safely convict. Any prosecution will be based partly on 'cost v conviction likelihood' and an 'example' will likely be made of anyone found guilty (as many good guys found out at Chelsea)

Nobody has suggested that the thread will be of legal use. The point is that it helps the police & the CPS, NOT the people involved.

As you rightly say, the consequences are huge. The purpose of this thread is not to help anyone or to deter anyone. It exists as a damage limitation exercise for people who are really bothered about the "result" more than the impact of the situation.

Given the consequences are huge, I would have thought the interests of those involved would come ahead of the damage limitation brigade. still, you know best.

Nobody has suggested that the thread will be of legal use. The point is that it helps the police & the CPS, NOT the people involved.

As you rightly say, the consequences are huge. The purpose of this thread is not to help anyone or to deter anyone. It exists as a damage limitation exercise for people who are really bothered about the "result" more than the impact of the situation.

Given the consequences are huge, I would have thought the interests of those involved would come ahead of the damage limitation brigade. still, you know best.

I assume that was a response to my post

It was mentioned (a reaction to one of your own posts) and as two prominent members said, there is nothing on here that could be used legally.

The consequences are indeed huge and for the Villa fans who will be perceived as "going looking" it may well be worse than for the City guys. If you (regardless of them being your own fans) can condone what they did, then carry on. Personally, like most reasonably minded, I think these people are naive at best and will suffer the consequences of their actions should they appear in Court. Football has changed, as has the attitude of the general public and the Courts who now look for easy targets to make examples of...and they don't come easier than "those football hooligans!"

Yes it was in response to your post and being a "prominent member" on here does not make them any more qualified than me to comment. And for the umpteenth time, it is NOT the legal issues, more the aiding of the police and CPS that I object to.

I do not condone any form of violence, especially pointless violence. However, I do know a couple of the people who were involved and I am shocked that they did what they did. Of course I would like to keep them out of prison if I could. Even Annis stated that he didn't want Cardiff fans arrested - Why would I be different about my fans? Especially a couple who I have a bit of time for.

It is you who is being naive Sven, for many reasons.

Anyway. I'm off out for the rest of the day and night so I'm sure you'll all be glad to see the back of me. Just remember though Sven, I only post in support of my team. You may not agree or like what I say but i don't abuse or insult anyone, I just post an alternative opinion that those with blue tinted glasses on do not always like.

Yes it was in response to your post and being a "prominent member" on here does not make them any more qualified than me to comment. And for the umpteenth time, it is NOT the legal issues, more the aiding of the police and CPS that I object to.

I do not condone any form of violence, especially pointless violence. However, I do know a couple of the people who were involved and I am shocked that they did what they did. Of course I would like to keep them out of prison if I could. Even Annis stated that he didn't want Cardiff fans arrested - Why would I be different about my fans? Especially a couple who I have a bit of time for.

It is you who is being naive Sven, for many reasons.

Anyway. I'm off out for the rest of the day and night so I'm sure you'll all be glad to see the back of me. Just remember though Sven, I only post in support of my team. You may not agree or like what I say but i don't abuse or insult anyone, I just post an alternative opinion that those with blue tinted glasses on do not always like.

Okay, fella! Have it your way but I don't recall singling out Villa fans or seeing anyone on here 'aiding' the police (my original point)

As for naive? Well, that's a matter of opinion and one I can shoulder, if it means I don't condone people going out looking for deliberate confrontation in the pubs/streets of our cities. As you clearly stated you were "surprised" at some involved, then it may be you don't really 'know' them at all!

Have a great day (wherever you're doing) and I'll do the same; particularly if my team win!

I've got to go to London for a party for the Mrs family. Up at the crack of dawn to get back for the 12 o'clock KO tomorrow. I need it like I need a boil on the backside. I will hate it.

I'm sure you'll take it as a compliment that I'll bee hoping Millwall get something today.

I've got to go to London for a party for the Mrs family. Up at the crack of dawn to get back for the 12 o'clock KO tomorrow. I need it like I need a boil on the backside. I will hate it.

I'm sure you'll take it as a compliment that I'll bee hoping Millwall get something today.

Compliment accepted

Have great evening, enjoy a massive game for your guys tomorrow and stay out of trouble!

I very much doubt whether any of them have any issues over "taking their medicine"

My issue is that Cardiff told them to land on the pub and they even told them when to land. It wasn't even supposed to be the Cornwall to start with.

The issue is when clueless idiots start claiming they have no balls or that they are sly.

Have a good weekend too mucca.

With you on that mate as a friend of mine visited your lads when they were in the packet pub wont mention anymore on here but i know that cardiffs lads in the know and who were there well rated villa for turning up an said fair play

You're both as bad as grasses you dull sods

Well have a word with the admin then and get them to delete the thread you dumb c**t.

I asked them to do so hours ago but they ignored me.

Tell them to delete it incase of incriminating evidence and then proceed to incriminate. You're the only dumb c**t here mate.

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

People getting well ahead of themselves if they think anything they've written on this thread to date will be of any legal use! All I've seen is people (who mainly weren't there) puffing their chests out and quoting unnamed sources.

Nubbsy makes the best comment on here so far (and he was there at one point) re the consequences of 'doing your bit in defence of your mates' when the headlines just say "football hooligan". Times really have moved on since the dark days and the consequences of involvement are huge!

The police have done their job (investigated an incident) and now the CPS (not the police) will do theirs by deciding which individuals will be prosecuted and they will only take on the ones they believe they can safely convict. Any prosecution will be based partly on 'cost v conviction likelihood' and an 'example' will likely be made of anyone found guilty (as many good guys found out at Chelsea)

Finally somebody with a bit of sense,how can anyone with half a brain think that anything mentioned on here could be used in court or to arrest individuals!!well said sven!theres some right beauties out there in this day an age lol

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

People getting well ahead of themselves if they think anything they've written on this thread to date will be of any legal use! All I've seen is people (who mainly weren't there) puffing their chests out and quoting unnamed sources.

Nubbsy makes the best comment on here so far (and he was there at one point) re the consequences of 'doing your bit in defence of your mates' when the headlines just say "football hooligan". Times really have moved on since the dark days and the consequences of involvement are huge!

The police have done their job (investigated an incident) and now the CPS (not the police) will do theirs by deciding which individuals will be prosecuted and they will only take on the ones they believe they can safely convict. Any prosecution will be based partly on 'cost v conviction likelihood' and an 'example' will likely be made of anyone found guilty (as many good guys found out at Chelsea)

Finally somebody with a bit of sense,how can anyone with half a brain think that anything mentioned on here could be used in court or to arrest individuals!!well said sven!theres some right beauties out there in this day an age lol

100% CORRECT

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

People getting well ahead of themselves if they think anything they've written on this thread to date will be of any legal use! All I've seen is people (who mainly weren't there) puffing their chests out and quoting unnamed sources.

Nubbsy makes the best comment on here so far (and he was there at one point) re the consequences of 'doing your bit in defence of your mates' when the headlines just say "football hooligan". Times really have moved on since the dark days and the consequences of involvement are huge!

The police have done their job (investigated an incident) and now the CPS (not the police) will do theirs by deciding which individuals will be prosecuted and they will only take on the ones they believe they can safely convict. Any prosecution will be based partly on 'cost v conviction likelihood' and an 'example' will likely be made of anyone found guilty (as many good guys found out at Chelsea)

Finally somebody with a bit of sense,how can anyone with half a brain think that anything mentioned on here could be used in court or to arrest individuals!!well said sven!theres some right beauties out there in this day an age lol

100% CORRECT

really?
no there is nothing that would stand up in a court of law in this or the previous thread on the topic..
but were there peoples names /nicknames mentioned...was CCTV footage mentioned..fans of our club visiting a pub {which again was named }where Villa were..phone calls...some of this might not have been known to OB.so therefore might give them lines of inquiry they did not previously have.
as for SVENs views on how the criminal justice system works...yes he is spot on..But as YOU and about 99% of our fans know full well that is not how it works if its football related ..whether the authorities admit this or not, the CPS have a total different set of criteria for prosecuting / seeking bans /seeking harsh sentencing for football fans who away from football wouldnt even be arrested let alone charged for the exact same thing...and the police have a different set of criteria for arresting certain people who have come to their attention { often for doing no more than being in the company of others the police deem troublesome }.
they will only take on the ones they can safely convict....no .there is and has been pressure on the police and CPS to get convictions and banning orders even resulting in successful civil cases against men {deemed risk spectators }who committed no actual crimeat all.

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

People getting well ahead of themselves if they think anything they've written on this thread to date will be of any legal use! All I've seen is people (who mainly weren't there) puffing their chests out and quoting unnamed sources.

Nubbsy makes the best comment on here so far (and he was there at one point) re the consequences of 'doing your bit in defence of your mates' when the headlines just say "football hooligan". Times really have moved on since the dark days and the consequences of involvement are huge!

The police have done their job (investigated an incident) and now the CPS (not the police) will do theirs by deciding which individuals will be prosecuted and they will only take on the ones they believe they can safely convict. Any prosecution will be based partly on 'cost v conviction likelihood' and an 'example' will likely be made of anyone found guilty (as many good guys found out at Chelsea)

Finally somebody with a bit of sense,how can anyone with half a brain think that anything mentioned on here could be used in court or to arrest individuals!!well said sven!theres some right beauties out there in this day an age lol

100% CORRECT

really?
no there is nothing that would stand up in a court of law in this or the previous thread on the topic..
but were there peoples names /nicknames mentioned...was CCTV footage mentioned..fans of our club visiting a pub {which again was named }where Villa were..phone calls...some of this might not have been known to OB.so therefore might give them lines of inquiry they did not previously have.
as for SVENs views on how the criminal justice system works...yes he is spot on..But as YOU and about 99% of our fans know full well that is not how it works if its football related ..whether the authorities admit this or not, the CPS have a total different set of criteria for prosecuting / seeking bans /seeking harsh sentencing for football fans who away from football wouldnt even be arrested let alone charged for the exact same thing...and the police have a different set of criteria for arresting certain people who have come to their attention { often for doing no more than being in the company of others the police deem troublesome }.
they will only take on the ones they can safely convict....no .there is and has been pressure on the police and CPS to get convictions and banning orders even resulting in successful civil cases against men {deemed risk spectators }who committed no actual crimeat all.

The ob got the cctv fella hence the arrests,lines of enquiry?i think youll find all involved an nicked will be getting hefty fines,maybe some jail time and a few years ban from the football an maybe the odd bit of community service as is the norm for these incidents!this a football forum mind where a lot of stuff gets said that may be true or not so id not take everything as read fella.lines of enquiry lol the police got all the evidence they need on the cctv to prosecute FACT as ive seen it an its...damning shall we say!cant for the life of me see why anyone would think a few posts by people on here who are figments of their imagination could aid pc plods investigation as it could well be someone having a wind up or exaggerating the truth!!im also sure the police are well aware where cardiff lads frequently drink an are clued uo into whats what at the footy nowadays

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

People getting well ahead of themselves if they think anything they've written on this thread to date will be of any legal use! All I've seen is people (who mainly weren't there) puffing their chests out and quoting unnamed sources.

Nubbsy makes the best comment on here so far (and he was there at one point) re the consequences of 'doing your bit in defence of your mates' when the headlines just say "football hooligan". Times really have moved on since the dark days and the consequences of involvement are huge!

The police have done their job (investigated an incident) and now the CPS (not the police) will do theirs by deciding which individuals will be prosecuted and they will only take on the ones they believe they can safely convict. Any prosecution will be based partly on 'cost v conviction likelihood' and an 'example' will likely be made of anyone found guilty (as many good guys found out at Chelsea)

Finally somebody with a bit of sense,how can anyone with half a brain think that anything mentioned on here could be used in court or to arrest individuals!!well said sven!theres some right beauties out there in this day an age lol

100% CORRECT

really?
no there is nothing that would stand up in a court of law in this or the previous thread on the topic..
but were there peoples names /nicknames mentioned...was CCTV footage mentioned..fans of our club visiting a pub {which again was named }where Villa were..phone calls...some of this might not have been known to OB.so therefore might give them lines of inquiry they did not previously have.
as for SVENs views on how the criminal justice system works...yes he is spot on..But as YOU and about 99% of our fans know full well that is not how it works if its football related ..whether the authorities admit this or not, the CPS have a total different set of criteria for prosecuting / seeking bans /seeking harsh sentencing for football fans who away from football wouldnt even be arrested let alone charged for the exact same thing...and the police have a different set of criteria for arresting certain people who have come to their attention { often for doing no more than being in the company of others the police deem troublesome }.
they will only take on the ones they can safely convict....no .there is and has been pressure on the police and CPS to get convictions and banning orders even resulting in successful civil cases against men {deemed risk spectators }who committed no actual crimeat all.

The ob got the cctv fella hence the arrests,lines of enquiry?i think youll find all involved an nicked will be getting hefty fines,maybe some jail time and a few years ban from the football an maybe the odd bit of community service as is the norm for these incidents!this a football forum mind where a lot of stuff gets said that may be true or not so id not take everything as read fella.lines of enquiry lol the police got all the evidence they need on the cctv to prosecute FACT as ive seen it an its...damning shall we say!cant for the life of me see why anyone would think a few posts by people on here who are figments of their imagination could aid pc plods investigation as it could well be someone having a wind up or exaggerating the truth!!im also sure the police are well aware where cardiff lads frequently drink an are clued uo into whats what at the footy nowadays

its crystal clear you cant see it..
yes YOUVE seen the CCTV long before there were arrests...dont we ALL KNOW..jeez

Doesn't really matter if the thread gets deleted or not - the police will have copies and screenshots anyway.
Like you said though- there's nothing in the thread that's usable anyway

People getting well ahead of themselves if they think anything they've written on this thread to date will be of any legal use! All I've seen is people (who mainly weren't there) puffing their chests out and quoting unnamed sources.

Nubbsy makes the best comment on here so far (and he was there at one point) re the consequences of 'doing your bit in defence of your mates' when the headlines just say "football hooligan". Times really have moved on since the dark days and the consequences of involvement are huge!

The police have done their job (investigated an incident) and now the CPS (not the police) will do theirs by deciding which individuals will be prosecuted and they will only take on the ones they believe they can safely convict. Any prosecution will be based partly on 'cost v conviction likelihood' and an 'example' will likely be made of anyone found guilty (as many good guys found out at Chelsea)

Finally somebody with a bit of sense,how can anyone with half a brain think that anything mentioned on here could be used in court or to arrest individuals!!well said sven!theres some right beauties out there in this day an age lol

100% CORRECT

really?
no there is nothing that would stand up in a court of law in this or the previous thread on the topic..
but were there peoples names /nicknames mentioned...was CCTV footage mentioned..fans of our club visiting a pub {which again was named }where Villa were..phone calls...some of this might not have been known to OB.so therefore might give them lines of inquiry they did not previously have.
as for SVENs views on how the criminal justice system works...yes he is spot on..But as YOU and about 99% of our fans know full well that is not how it works if its football related ..whether the authorities admit this or not, the CPS have a total different set of criteria for prosecuting / seeking bans /seeking harsh sentencing for football fans who away from football wouldnt even be arrested let alone charged for the exact same thing...and the police have a different set of criteria for arresting certain people who have come to their attention { often for doing no more than being in the company of others the police deem troublesome }.
they will only take on the ones they can safely convict....no .there is and has been pressure on the police and CPS to get convictions and banning orders even resulting in successful civil cases against men {deemed risk spectators }who committed no actual crimeat all.

The ob got the cctv fella hence the arrests,lines of enquiry?i think youll find all involved an nicked will be getting hefty fines,maybe some jail time and a few years ban from the football an maybe the odd bit of community service as is the norm for these incidents!this a football forum mind where a lot of stuff gets said that may be true or not so id not take everything as read fella.lines of enquiry lol the police got all the evidence they need on the cctv to prosecute FACT as ive seen it an its...damning shall we say!cant for the life of me see why anyone would think a few posts by people on here who are figments of their imagination could aid pc plods investigation as it could well be someone having a wind up or exaggerating the truth!!im also sure the police are well aware where cardiff lads frequently drink an are clued uo into whats what at the footy nowadays

its crystal clear you cant see it..
yes YOUVE seen the CCTV long before there were arrests...dont we ALL KNOW..jeez

Chill out fella dont get so irate mun im trying to watch the F1 here