Gary medel

What City players would you put ahead of Medel then? I've watched City for nearly 30 years. Ramsey and Koumas (first loan spell) are the only players I would put close to Medel while they were with us.

Some of Medel's displays in the Premiership under Malky were superior to anything I saw from any other City player at that level. I'm not sure how you can say Medel wouldn't get in your top 20 as I assume the majority of those 20 players would never have played at Premiership level for us?

Jordan Mutch and Peter Whittingham were both better than Medel that season. He wasnt even the best performing midfielder at the club that particular season, let alone greatest player of all time.

I would say he ranked about 5th/6th in overall performances for you that season out of your starting 11. Marshall was outstanding.

Looked like absolute chump the majority of his Prem season.

Just the fact of the matter

You really need to scrub up on your football knowledge. Medel started very well, Malky Mackay set up around him, and tried to make him the pivot that attack was built from, it was far from perfect as Medel didn't have the quality around him to compliment his vision and fantastic ability to put himself into positions of space that no other player I've seen play for the club could do. He was employed to protect the defence, pick up loose balls and act as an outlet, he did that very well at times, and it was obvious to anyone who knows football, that he was a couple of levels above his team mates. There were difficulties for him under Mackay, but absolutely nothing compared to what was in store when ole arrived. Ole wanted us to play a more expansive game with more space between players and the ball to be moved quicker, we just didn't have the quality to play this system, Medel was left exposed, and for large periods was no more than an extra defender chasing and harrying and making desperate lunges in order to gain possession. He was not and is not that kind of player, his ability is set up around a tight central unit, expansive play and a midfield that couldn't keep the ball left him cruelly exposed. In short, the players around him were levels below his thinking and ability, and in ole, we had a manager who didn't understand that Medel had to be at the centre of possession and build up play. You can be dismissive if you like, but Seville, Inter, Boca Juniors and over 100 caps for that shower of shit Chile says that you don't know shit from saw dust- Good day.

Looked like absolute chump the majority of his Prem season.

Just the fact of the matter

You really need to scrub up on your football knowledge. Medel started very well, Malky Mackay set up around him, and tried to make him the pivot that attack was built from, it was far from perfect as Medel didn't have the quality around him to compliment his vision and fantastic ability to put himself into positions of space that no other player I've seen play for the club could do. He was employed to protect the defence, pick up loose balls and act as an outlet, he did that very well at times, and it was obvious to anyone who knows football, that he was a couple of levels above his team mates. There were difficulties for him under Mackay, but absolutely nothing compared to what was in store when ole arrived. Ole wanted us to play a more expansive game with more space between players and the ball to be moved quicker, we just didn't have the quality to play this system, Medel was left exposed, and for large periods was no more than an extra defender chasing and harrying and making desperate lunges in order to gain possession. He was not and is not that kind of player, his ability is set up around a tight central unit, expansive play and a midfield that couldn't keep the ball left him cruelly exposed. In short, the players around him were levels below his thinking and ability, and in ole, we had a manager who didn't understand that Medel had to be at the centre of possession and build up play. You can be dismissive if you like, but Seville, Inter, Boca Juniors and over 100 caps for that shower of shit Chile says that you don't know shit from saw dust- Good day.

Nope, perfectly happy with my well rounded knowledge of the game. He didn't play any incisive passes of note, there was no vision, he was outperformed in midfield by almost all that played alongside him, they were not holding him back, his attitude and lack of commitment didnt even allow him to raise his game to their level let alone exceed it. He was average pre Xmas with a few good games thrown in, and amazingly woeful after Xmas. Anyone who says he was the best player they saw in a Cardiff shirt either have cult hero blinkers on, are 6 years old or know nothing about the game.

Again you are attributing who he has played for as opposed to how he played. It makes no difference that he plays for Chile and Inter... He could be a regular starter for Brazil and Real Madrid for all that matters to the point at hand... He was still well below average as a Premier League midfielder for you - which is the discussion.

Looked like absolute chump the majority of his Prem season.

Just the fact of the matter

You really need to scrub up on your football knowledge. Medel started very well, Malky Mackay set up around him, and tried to make him the pivot that attack was built from, it was far from perfect as Medel didn't have the quality around him to compliment his vision and fantastic ability to put himself into positions of space that no other player I've seen play for the club could do. He was employed to protect the defence, pick up loose balls and act as an outlet, he did that very well at times, and it was obvious to anyone who knows football, that he was a couple of levels above his team mates. There were difficulties for him under Mackay, but absolutely nothing compared to what was in store when ole arrived. Ole wanted us to play a more expansive game with more space between players and the ball to be moved quicker, we just didn't have the quality to play this system, Medel was left exposed, and for large periods was no more than an extra defender chasing and harrying and making desperate lunges in order to gain possession. He was not and is not that kind of player, his ability is set up around a tight central unit, expansive play and a midfield that couldn't keep the ball left him cruelly exposed. In short, the players around him were levels below his thinking and ability, and in ole, we had a manager who didn't understand that Medel had to be at the centre of possession and build up play. You can be dismissive if you like, but Seville, Inter, Boca Juniors and over 100 caps for that shower of shit Chile says that you don't know shit from saw dust- Good day.

Nope, perfectly happy with my well rounded knowledge of the game. He didn't play any incisive passes of note, there was no vision, he was outperformed in midfield by almost all that played alongside him, they were not holding him back, his attitude and lack of commitment didnt even allow him to raise his game to their level let alone exceed it. He was average pre Xmas with a few good games thrown in, and amazingly woeful after Xmas. Anyone who says he was the best player they saw in a Cardiff shirt either have cult hero blinkers on, are 6 years old or know nothing about the game.

Again you are attributing who he has played for as opposed to how he played. It makes no difference that he plays for Chile and Inter... He could be a regular starter for Brazil and Real Madrid for all that matters to the point at hand... He was still well below average as a Premier League midfielder for you - which is the discussion.

So, there was nothing from him, no passes, no vision and almost always outplayed, you must have had a very keen eye on his performances to be able to say that, incredible, in short, he was a massive liability. Let's look at this from a different angle. Medel is a unique player, he needs a system that compliments his ability, he needs a midfield two that can keep the ball for the best part, and a defence that is comfortable in possession, he plays in that space between the central defenders and the midfield, making things tick, setting up play, like an advanced sweeper, there isn't a player better than him on this planet at playing that roll. He struggled at times because the players around him were shit and he was left exposed. If you have a very good player, then it's imperative that their strengths are maximised, this wasn't the case. It isn't enough to call a player 'below average' if you're not willing to take other very large factors on board. Medel couldn't play with enough consistency in that team, because the quality around him was lacking, I can't think of one player -apart from Medel-who has gone onto better things, that speaks volumes. I saw enough to know what quality he possessed, and how his team mates and Ole, let him down. There's parallels here with Peter Whittingham, another player who needed others to create that little vacuum for him, when they did, he produced some of the most fantastic brilliance I've ever witnessed while watching the City, when he wasn't protected, or players with lesser ability weren't doing the things that made him effective, he was out of the game and struggling, because he wasn't an all action, hard tackling inefficient dog, yet many of our supporters still slagged him for not doing those things, even though he had never done them. Players with a certain pedigree need to be accommodated, Medel certainly wasn't.

Looked like absolute chump the majority of his Prem season.

Just the fact of the matter

You really need to scrub up on your football knowledge. Medel started very well, Malky Mackay set up around him, and tried to make him the pivot that attack was built from, it was far from perfect as Medel didn't have the quality around him to compliment his vision and fantastic ability to put himself into positions of space that no other player I've seen play for the club could do. He was employed to protect the defence, pick up loose balls and act as an outlet, he did that very well at times, and it was obvious to anyone who knows football, that he was a couple of levels above his team mates. There were difficulties for him under Mackay, but absolutely nothing compared to what was in store when ole arrived. Ole wanted us to play a more expansive game with more space between players and the ball to be moved quicker, we just didn't have the quality to play this system, Medel was left exposed, and for large periods was no more than an extra defender chasing and harrying and making desperate lunges in order to gain possession. He was not and is not that kind of player, his ability is set up around a tight central unit, expansive play and a midfield that couldn't keep the ball left him cruelly exposed. In short, the players around him were levels below his thinking and ability, and in ole, we had a manager who didn't understand that Medel had to be at the centre of possession and build up play. You can be dismissive if you like, but Seville, Inter, Boca Juniors and over 100 caps for that shower of shit Chile says that you don't know shit from saw dust- Good day.

Nope, perfectly happy with my well rounded knowledge of the game. He didn't play any incisive passes of note, there was no vision, he was outperformed in midfield by almost all that played alongside him, they were not holding him back, his attitude and lack of commitment didnt even allow him to raise his game to their level let alone exceed it. He was average pre Xmas with a few good games thrown in, and amazingly woeful after Xmas. Anyone who says he was the best player they saw in a Cardiff shirt either have cult hero blinkers on, are 6 years old or know nothing about the game.

Again you are attributing who he has played for as opposed to how he played. It makes no difference that he plays for Chile and Inter... He could be a regular starter for Brazil and Real Madrid for all that matters to the point at hand... He was still well below average as a Premier League midfielder for you - which is the discussion.

So, there was nothing from him, no passes, no vision and almost always outplayed, you must have had a very keen eye on his performances to be able to say that, incredible, in short, he was a massive liability. Let's look at this from a different angle. Medel is a unique player, he needs a system that compliments his ability, he needs a midfield two that can keep the ball for the best part, and a defence that is comfortable in possession, he plays in that space between the central defenders and the midfield, making things tick, setting up play, like an advanced sweeper, there isn't a player better than him on this planet at playing that roll. He struggled at times because the players around him were shit and he was left exposed. If you have a very good player, then it's imperative that their strengths are maximised, this wasn't the case. It isn't enough to call a player 'below average' if you're not willing to take other very large factors on board. Medel couldn't play with enough consistency in that team, because the quality around him was lacking, I can't think of one player -apart from Medel-who has gone onto better things, that speaks volumes. I saw enough to know what quality he possessed, and how his team mates and Ole, let him down. There's parallels here with Peter Whittingham, another player who needed others to create that little vacuum for him, when they did, he produced some of the most fantastic brilliance I've ever witnessed while watching the City, when he wasn't protected, or players with lesser ability weren't doing the things that made him effective, he was out of the game and struggling, because he wasn't an all action, hard tackling inefficient dog, yet many of our supporters still slagged him for not doing those things, even though he had never done them. Players with a certain pedigree need to be accommodated, Medel certainly wasn't.

I would say that was pretty accurate, hence the team finished bottom of the league and shipped goals for fun. You can blame his bad performances on every single thing under the sun, but the fact you are blaming other factors for the poor performances still means they were poor performances.

He may well be a very good player, that isnt really the debate though. The debate is whether he was good for Cardiff, and that is quite obviously a resounding no. Whether people wish to cling on the notion he was or not doesnt really make much difference to the reality of things. He was uncommited, unfit and on the whole ineffective. It is no surprise that no Premier League team has been in for him since.

Yes he tailed off badly but for most of his time under Malky he was excellent! Anyone who saw him play at Craven Cottahe saw an absolute masterclass that day! And you're no mug if you're playing for Inter Milan and Chile! In a back 3 he is superb.

He wasnt excellent for most of his time under Malky, again that is selective memory. He had all 3 of his good performances under Malky would be the more accurate sentence.

Playing for Chile and playing for Inter have no baring on his performances for Cardiff. It is amazing how many people use this to justify why he was supposedly good. The fact people can never really point to the time he was actually at the club (barring a few games) is telling.

In my opinion, as a season ticket holder who watched nearly every game he played for us, under Malky he veered between good/excellent and against the champions of England at that time he was one of the best players in the pitch! You are clearly contending he is not a quality player, his performances for Chile in particular clearly show you are very much mistaken.

In my opinion, as a season ticket holder who watched nearly every game he played for us, under Malky he veered between good/excellent and against the champions of England at that time he was one of the best players in the pitch! You are clearly contending he is not a quality player, his performances for Chile in particular clearly show you are very much mistaken.

So you watched him less times as I did then if you ''nearly'' watched all of them? He was certainly not good/excellent under Malky. He was average with the odd good performance thrown in (probably 3). The rest of the time he was awful and completely off the pace of the league.

I have not said he is a bad player, I have simply said he was bad for you. His performances for Chile have no baring on that as he plays a completely different position in a completely different formation and system. Really is not difficult.

What an old windbag.

Hes only 29, wouldn't describe him as old.

He did well under Malky in my view and then Olly tried to change him and it all went wrong the home game against the jacks and the Fulham game away he ruled the shows on both games

Lets not go overboard. He didnt "run the show" or "rule the show" against us at your place at all. It was an awful game lacking in any creativity, guile or passing. He was the best of a bad bunch that day though. A horrendous spectacle all round, you may have fonder memories of it due to the result. In the return match he was bordering on embarrassing, Hernandez made him look silly.

He did play excellently against Fulham and Man City though. But you would expect someone to play excellently in 2 games a season surely? Even Jefferson Montero has had a handful of excellent games where he has been the best on the pitch, yet he was still a p*ss poor signing and ironically shows the same level of non existent commitment to us as Medel did to you too. Jordan Mutch was your star midfielder that season, hands down. Whittingham a close second.